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  • global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

    from Jasper on Nov 16, 2016 05:20 PM
    Hi all,
    
    Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of 
    global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
    we want to do with it.
    
    The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
    during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
    project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
    earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
    
    I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
    in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
    use it.
    
    Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
    saved it here anyway: 
    https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
    
    
    greetings jasper
    
    
    
    
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  • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

    from Orsan Senalp on Nov 22, 2016 09:32 PM
    Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
    Best, 
    Orsan 
    
    
    
    On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen <jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
    
    > Hi all,
    > 
    > Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of 
    > global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
    > we want to do with it.
    > 
    > The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
    > during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
    > project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
    > earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
    > 
    > I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
    > in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
    > use it.
    > 
    > Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
    > saved it here anyway: 
    > https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
    > 
    > 
    > greetings jasper
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > --
    > Archive: http://openfsm.net/projects/2011movements-fsm-wsf/lists/2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion/archive/2016/11/1479316801020
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    • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

      from Orsan on Nov 23, 2016 02:21 PM
      Alan hi, 
      
      I am not familiar with legal clinics, does it mean to be something like  'borderless lawyers network', build bottom up and linked to the squares and movement. As local groups or struggles do develop their own legal support teams, they can be networked i guess, but at the point of time we have a massive vacuum and need of international solidarity and networking mode then ever (since 2011). I think, in relation to latest crisis and emergence of naked fascism and approaching world scale war between capitalist countries, both what you suggest is needed urgently, at least on top of a networking work for civil-defense and for peace / anti-war.. since we peoples might soon be loosing any legal ways and options to purse. 
      
      
      Solidarity, 
      Orsan
      
      
      > On 23 Nov 2016, at 07:15, Alan Blanes <pharmaworkerco.op@...> wrote:
      > 
      > Hi Jasper, Orsan and the whole group who participate in Open FSM -
      > 
      > I did not see my November 16 post on the Open FSM platform - but I would ask you to give me your thoughts on the idea of inviting Occupy and World Social Forum to consider being a catalyst for a network of legal clinics around the world - that would be a united network of solidarity to look at evidence of dehumanization and other forms of disregard of the basic universal human rights codes that I referenced on November 16. 
      > 
      > My view is that if we are to get an authentic legal clinic network up and running - it would be our best tool for removing the unlawful aspects of neo-liberal economic policies that undermine the public interest. 
      > 
      > Your views on this concept are urgently anticipated. 
      > 
      > I'd like to chip in a third to the raising of the 35 Euros to keep the domain up.
      > 
      > Best regards
      > 
      > Alan 
      > 
      >> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Orsan Senalp <orsan1234@...> wrote:
      >> Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so!
      >> Best,
      >> Orsan
      >> 
      >> 
      >> 
      >> On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen <jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
      >> 
      >> > Hi all,
      >> >
      >> > Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of
      >> > global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what
      >> > we want to do with it.
      >> >
      >> > The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments
      >> > during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the
      >> > project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal
      >> > earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
      >> >
      >> > I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did
      >> > in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and
      >> > use it.
      >> >
      >> > Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I
      >> > saved it here anyway:
      >> > https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
      >> >
      >> >
      >> > greetings jasper
      >> >
      >> >
      >> >
      >> >
      >> > --
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      >> 
      >> 
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      >> 
      > 
      
      
      
    • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

      from Vlad T on Nov 23, 2016 02:22 PM
      I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
      
      Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
      
      I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
      
      #solidarty
      
      Vlad
      
      
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
      To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
      Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
      Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
      Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
      
      Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
      Best, 
      Orsan 
      
      
      
      On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen <jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
      
      > Hi all,
      > 
      > Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of 
      > global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
      > we want to do with it.
      > 
      > The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
      > during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
      > project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
      > earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
      > 
      > I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
      > in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
      > use it.
      > 
      > Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
      > saved it here anyway: 
      > https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
      > 
      > 
      > greetings jasper
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > --
      > Archive: http://openfsm.net/projects/2011movements-fsm-wsf/lists/2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion/archive/2016/11/1479316801020
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      • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

        from Heather on Nov 27, 2016 11:04 AM
        Hi all,
        
        Two points:
        
        1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name,
        something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future
        globalsquare.net coincides with or complements the original.
        
        The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are
        designed as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created
        information, with a universal database and trust network. This would
        allow collaboration to be independent of software platforms and remove
        the control of corporations over user created data and relationships. It
        would also allow more effective methods of mass communication and
        collaboration such as stigmergy and concentric circles.
        
        I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just
        now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This
        would trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most
        importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find
        verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform
        or our own perceived preferences.
        
        Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal
        commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that
        includes universities from different countries. The initial code to
        create this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would
        require the assistance of research universities with computer science
        departments and the resources to run large tests, both for optimization
        of the joins, searches and sharding and then to look for federated
        hosting options. (Please feel free to pass on any information, including
        my contact, to anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating
        in such a structure.)
        
        Synopsis:
        https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/
        
        More from Cuba free software conference:
        https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
        
        More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
        
        Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable,
        stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
        
        Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize
        Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move
        again to a free database and trust network. Starts at beginning:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
        
        
        
        2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is
        working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two
        international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to
        "encourage and support people around the world to bring global class
        action law suits against resource corporations which violate human
        rights and environmental law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an
        independent, international, victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human
        trafficking and pedosadist industry."
        
        All the best to you all,
        
        Heather
        
        
        On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
        > I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
        >
        > Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
        >
        > I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
        >
        > #solidarty
        >
        > Vlad
        >
        >
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
        > To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
        > Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
        > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
        > Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
        >
        > Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
        > Best, 
        > Orsan 
        >
        >
        >
        > On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen <jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
        >
        >> Hi all,
        >>
        >> Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of 
        >> global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
        >> we want to do with it.
        >>
        >> The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
        >> during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
        >> project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
        >> earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
        >>
        >> I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
        >> in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
        >> use it.
        >>
        >> Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
        >> saved it here anyway: 
        >> https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
        >>
        >>
        >> greetings jasper
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >> --
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        • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

          from Orsan Senalp on Dec 07, 2016 07:23 PM
          Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all, 
          
          First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well. Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
          
          Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan, Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation, make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it? 
          
          Best,
          Orsan 
          
          
          
          
          
          
          On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
          
          > Hi all,
          > 
          > Two points:
          > 1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name, something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future globalsquare.net coincides with or complements the original.
          > 
          > The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy and concentric circles.
          > 
          > I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or our own perceived preferences.
          > 
          > Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the assistance of research universities with computer science departments and the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins, searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options. (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a structure.)
          > 
          > Synopsis: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/
          > More from Cuba free software conference: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
          > More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
          > 
          > Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable, stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
          > Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize Facebook and how concentric circles             and stigmergy can be used to move again to a free database and trust network. Starts at beginning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
          > 
          > 
          > 2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage and support people around the world to bring global class     action law suits against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international, victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist industry." 
          > 
          > All the best to you all,
          > Heather
          > 
          > 
          > On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
          >> I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
          >> 
          >> Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
          >> 
          >> I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
          >> 
          >> #solidarty
          >> 
          >> Vlad
          >> 
          >> 
          >> ----- Original Message -----
          >> From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
          >> To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
          >> Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
          >> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
          >> Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
          >> 
          >> Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
          >> Best, 
          >> Orsan 
          >> 
          >> 
          >> 
          >> On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen <jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
          >> 
          >>> Hi all,
          >>> 
          >>> Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of 
          >>> global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
          >>> we want to do with it.
          >>> 
          >>> The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
          >>> during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
          >>> project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
          >>> earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
          >>> 
          >>> I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
          >>> in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
          >>> use it.
          >>> 
          >>> Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
          >>> saved it here anyway: 
          >>> https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
          >>> 
          >>> 
          >>> greetings jasper
          >>> 
          >>> 
          >>> 
          >>> 
          >>> --
          >>> Archive: http://openfsm.net/projects/2011movements-fsm-wsf/lists/2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion/archive/2016/11/1479316801020
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          • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

            from Vlad T on Dec 08, 2016 05:22 PM
            Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked. i think its when i write to lists actually. 
            
            Very good idea on having a meetup. 
            
            Vlad 
            
            
            
            From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...> 
            To: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...> 
            Cc: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...> 
            Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM 
            Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it? 
            
            Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all, 
            
            First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well. Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well. 
            
            Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan, Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation, make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it? 
            
            Best, 
            Orsan 
            
            
            
            
            
            
            On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh < [ mailto:ttscanada@... | ttscanada@... ] > wrote: 
            
            
            
            
            
            
            Hi all, 
            
            Two points: 
            
            
            1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name, something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future [ http://globalsquare.net/ | globalsquare.net ] coincides with or complements the original. 
            
            The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy and concentric circles. 
            
            I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or our own perceived preferences. 
            
            Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the assistance of research universities with computer science departments and the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins, searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options. (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a structure.) 
            
            Synopsis: [ https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/ ] [ https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/ | https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/ ] 
            
            More from Cuba free software conference: [ https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/ ] [ https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/ | https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/ ] 
            
            More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid: Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable, stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30: [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE ] [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE ] 
            
            Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again to a free database and trust network. S tarts at beginning: [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU ] [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU ] 
            
            2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international, victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist industry." 
            
            
            
            All the best to you all, 
            Heather 
            
            
            On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote: 
            
            BQ_BEGIN
            
            I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
            
            Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
            
            I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
            
            #solidarty
            
            Vlad
            
            
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: "Orsan Senalp" [ mailto:orsan1234@... | < ] [ mailto:orsan1234@... | orsan1234@... ] >
            To: [ mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... ] [ mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... | 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... ] Cc: [ mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... ] [ mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... | 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... ] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
            Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] [ http://global-square.net/ | global-square.net ] expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
            
            Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
            Best, 
            Orsan 
            
            
            
            On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen [ mailto:jasperteunissen@... | < ] [ mailto:jasperteunissen@... | jasperteunissen@... ] > wrote: 
            
            BQ_BEGIN
            
            Hi all,
            
            Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of [ http://global-square.net/ | global-square.net ] website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
            we want to do with it.
            
            The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
            during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
            project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
            earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
            
            I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
            in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
            use it.
            
            Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
            saved it here anyway: [ https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net ] [ https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net | https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net ] greetings jasper
            
            
            
            
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            • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

              from Heather on Dec 08, 2016 04:57 PM
              Hi Orsan,
              
              I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right
              now but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have
              some warning.
              
              xox Heather
              
              
              On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
              > Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists
              > actually.  
              >
              > Very good idea on having a meetup. 
              >
              > Vlad
              >
              >
              > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
              > *From: *"Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
              > *To: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion"
              > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
              > *Cc: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion"
              > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
              > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
              > *Subject: *Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net
              > expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
              >
              > Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all, 
              >
              > First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at
              > the junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as
              > well. Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
              >
              > Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan,
              > Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world,
              > also others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections,
              > rising open fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the
              > wikileaks' situation, make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or
              > jitsi, just to take stacks of last 5 years, exchange about what we
              > have been doing last years, and brain storm of possible ways and means
              > for a renewal of global square ideas. In a relax and flexable way..
              > What would you think about it? 
              >
              > Best,
              > Orsan 
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...
              > <mailto:ttscanada@...>> wrote:
              >
              >     Hi all,
              >
              >     Two points:
              >
              >     1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square
              >     name, something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future
              >     globalsquare.net <http://globalsquare.net> coincides with or
              >     complements the original.
              >
              >     The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are
              >     designed as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created
              >     information, with a universal database and trust network. This
              >     would allow collaboration to be independent of software platforms
              >     and remove the control of corporations over user created data and
              >     relationships. It would also allow more effective methods of mass
              >     communication and collaboration such as stigmergy and concentric
              >     circles.
              >
              >     I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is
              >     just now that the technology has reached a point that it is
              >     viable. This would trigger a revolution in the way we work in so
              >     many fields but most importantly in allowing us to filter the
              >     noise of the Internet and find verified and knowledgeable
              >     information that is not filtered by platform or our own perceived
              >     preferences.
              >
              >     Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a
              >     universal commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation
              >     or trust that includes universities from different countries. The
              >     initial code to create this project is very simple but optimizing
              >     it is not! It would require the assistance of research
              >     universities with computer science departments and the resources
              >     to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins, searches
              >     and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options.
              >     (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my
              >     contact, to anyone you know who might be interested in
              >     collaborating in such a structure.)
              >
              >     Synopsis:
              >     https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/
              >
              >     More from Cuba free software conference:
              >     https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
              >
              >     More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
              >
              >     Methods of collaboration that this database structure would
              >     enable, stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30:
              >     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
              >
              >     Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to
              >     popularize Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can
              >     be used to move again to a free database and trust network. Starts
              >     at beginning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
              >
              >
              >
              >     2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if
              >     anyone is working on such a thing please consider collaborating
              >     with two international initiatives, opCanary which has the
              >     objective to "encourage and support people around the world to
              >     bring global class action law suits against resource corporations
              >     which violate human rights and environmental law" and
              >     opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international,
              >     victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and
              >     pedosadist industry."
              >
              >     All the best to you all,
              >
              >     Heather
              >
              >
              >     On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
              >
              >         I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
              >
              >         Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
              >
              >         I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
              >
              >         #solidarty
              >
              >         Vlad
              >
              >
              >         ----- Original Message -----
              >         From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@... <mailto:orsan1234@...>>
              >         To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
              >         <mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
              >         Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
              >         <mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
              >         Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
              >         Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net <http://global-square.net> expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
              >
              >         Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
              >         Best, 
              >         Orsan 
              >
              >
              >
              >         On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen <jasperteunissen@... <mailto:jasperteunissen@...>> wrote:
              >
              >             Hi all,
              >
              >             Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of 
              >             global-square.net <http://global-square.net> website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
              >             we want to do with it.
              >
              >             The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
              >             during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
              >             project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
              >             earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
              >
              >             I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
              >             in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
              >             use it.
              >
              >             Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
              >             saved it here anyway: 
              >             https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
              >
              >
              >             greetings jasper
              >
              >
              >
              >
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              • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

                from Orsan Senalp on Dec 09, 2016 04:16 PM
                Should we fix time for coming sunday? If you can, I am in the netherlands; so an hour earlier then Spain, and can have room for relax talk (time wise) at late afternoon or evening. Look forwards!
                 
                
                
                On 8 dec. 2016, at 17:20, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                
                > Hi Orsan,
                > 
                > I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right now but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have some warning.
                > 
                > xox Heather
                > 
                > On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
                >> Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists actually.  
                >> 
                >> Very good idea on having a meetup. 
                >> 
                >> Vlad
                >> 
                >> 
                >> From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
                >> To: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                >> Cc: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                >> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
                >> Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
                >> 
                >> Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all, 
                >> 
                >> First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well. Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
                >> 
                >> Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan, Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation, make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it? 
                >> 
                >> Best,
                >> Orsan 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                >> 
                >> Hi all,
                >> 
                >> Two points:
                >> 1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name, something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future globalsquare.net coincides with or complements the original.
                >> 
                >> The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy and concentric circles.
                >> 
                >> I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or our own perceived preferences.
                >> 
                >> Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the assistance of research universities with computer science departments and the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins, searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options. (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a structure.)
                >> 
                >> Synopsis: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/
                >> More from Cuba free software conference: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
                >> More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
                >> 
                >> Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable, stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
                >> Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again to a free database and trust network. Starts at beginning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international, victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist industry." 
                >> 
                >> All the best to you all,
                >> Heather
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
                >> I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
                >> 
                >> Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
                >> 
                >> I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
                >> 
                >> #solidarty
                >> 
                >> Vlad
                >> 
                >> 
                >> ----- Original Message -----
                >> From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
                >> To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                >> Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                >> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
                >> Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
                >> 
                >> Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
                >> Best, 
                >> Orsan 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen <jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
                >> 
                >> Hi all,
                >> 
                >> Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of 
                >> global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
                >> we want to do with it.
                >> 
                >> The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
                >> during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
                >> project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
                >> earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
                >> 
                >> I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
                >> in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
                >> use it.
                >> 
                >> Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
                >> saved it here anyway: 
                >> https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
                >> 
                >> 
                >> greetings jasper
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
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              • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

                from Alan Blanes on Dec 09, 2016 06:16 PM
                Sunday would be a good day to have a call - would this be done over mumble?
                There is a lawyer by the name of Alison who has expressed some interest in
                authentic UDHR legal clinics as part of the 17 SDGs. We are arranging for a
                call next week about this - so I would be very interested in what might be
                feasible through the WSF/Occupy partnership - Open FSM,  to get an
                international task force established.
                
                Alan
                
                On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                
                > Hi Orsan,
                >
                > I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right now
                > but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have some
                > warning.
                >
                > xox Heather
                >
                > On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
                >
                > Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists
                > actually.
                >
                > Very good idea on having a meetup.
                >
                > Vlad
                >
                >
                > ------------------------------
                > *From: *"Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...> <orsan1234@...>
                > *To: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-
                > discussion@...>
                > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                > *Cc: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-
                > discussion@...>
                > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
                >
                > *Subject: *Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net
                > expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
                >
                > Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all,
                >
                > First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the
                > junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well.
                > Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
                >
                > Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan,
                > Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also
                > others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open
                > fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation,
                > make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks
                > of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and
                > brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square
                > ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it?
                >
                > Best,
                > Orsan
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                >
                > Hi all,
                >
                > Two points:
                >
                > 1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name,
                > something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future globalsquare.net
                > coincides with or complements the original.
                >
                > The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed
                > as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a
                > universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be
                > independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations
                > over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more
                > effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy
                > and concentric circles.
                >
                > I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just
                > now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would
                > trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most
                > importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find
                > verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or
                > our own perceived preferences.
                >
                > Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal
                > commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that
                > includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create
                > this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the
                > assistance of research universities with computer science departments and
                > the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins,
                > searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options.
                > (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to
                > anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a
                > structure.)
                >
                > Synopsis: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-
                > for-self-governance-part-1/
                >
                > More from Cuba free software conference: https://georgiebc.wordpress.
                > com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
                >
                > More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
                > Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable,
                > stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30:
                > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
                >
                > Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize
                > Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again
                > to a free database and trust network. Starts at beginning:
                > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
                >
                >
                > 2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is
                > working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two
                > international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage
                > and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits
                > against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental
                > law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international,
                > victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist
                > industry."
                >
                > All the best to you all,
                > Heather
                >
                >
                > On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
                >
                > I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.
                >
                > Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.
                >
                > I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.
                >
                > #solidarty
                >
                > Vlad
                >
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: "Orsan Senalp" < <orsan1234@...>orsan1234@...>
                > To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                > Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
                > Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
                >
                > Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so!
                > Best,
                > Orsan
                >
                >
                >
                > On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen < <jasperteunissen@...>jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
                >
                >
                > Hi all,
                >
                > Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what
                > we want to do with it.
                >
                > The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments
                > during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the
                > project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal
                > earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
                >
                > I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did
                > in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and
                > use it.
                >
                > Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I
                > saved it here anyway: https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
                >
                >
                > greetings jasper
                >
                >
                >
                >
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              • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

                from Alan Blanes on Dec 09, 2016 06:08 PM
                Sunday would be a good day to have a call - would this be done over mumble?
                There is a lawyer by the name of Alison who has expressed some interest in
                authentic UDHR legal clinics as part of the 17 SDGs. We are arranging for a
                call next week about this - so I would be very interested in what might be
                feasible through the WSF/Occupy partnership - Open FSM,  to get an
                international task force established.
                
                Alan
                
                On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                
                > Hi Orsan,
                >
                > I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right now
                > but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have some
                > warning.
                >
                > xox Heather
                >
                > On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
                >
                > Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists
                > actually.
                >
                > Very good idea on having a meetup.
                >
                > Vlad
                >
                >
                > ------------------------------
                > *From: *"Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...> <orsan1234@...>
                > *To: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-
                > discussion@...>
                > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                > *Cc: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-
                > discussion@...>
                > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
                >
                > *Subject: *Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net
                > expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
                >
                > Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all,
                >
                > First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the
                > junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well.
                > Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
                >
                > Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan,
                > Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also
                > others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open
                > fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation,
                > make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks
                > of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and
                > brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square
                > ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it?
                >
                > Best,
                > Orsan
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                >
                > Hi all,
                >
                > Two points:
                >
                > 1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name,
                > something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future globalsquare.net
                > coincides with or complements the original.
                >
                > The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed
                > as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a
                > universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be
                > independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations
                > over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more
                > effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy
                > and concentric circles.
                >
                > I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just
                > now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would
                > trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most
                > importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find
                > verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or
                > our own perceived preferences.
                >
                > Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal
                > commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that
                > includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create
                > this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the
                > assistance of research universities with computer science departments and
                > the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins,
                > searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options.
                > (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to
                > anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a
                > structure.)
                >
                > Synopsis: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-
                > for-self-governance-part-1/
                >
                > More from Cuba free software conference: https://georgiebc.wordpress.
                > com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
                >
                > More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
                > Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable,
                > stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30:
                > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
                >
                > Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize
                > Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again
                > to a free database and trust network. Starts at beginning:
                > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
                >
                >
                > 2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is
                > working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two
                > international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage
                > and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits
                > against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental
                > law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international,
                > victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist
                > industry."
                >
                > All the best to you all,
                > Heather
                >
                >
                > On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
                >
                > I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.
                >
                > Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.
                >
                > I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.
                >
                > #solidarty
                >
                > Vlad
                >
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: "Orsan Senalp" < <orsan1234@...>orsan1234@...>
                > To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                > Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
                > Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
                >
                > Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so!
                > Best,
                > Orsan
                >
                >
                >
                > On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen < <jasperteunissen@...>jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
                >
                >
                > Hi all,
                >
                > Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what
                > we want to do with it.
                >
                > The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments
                > during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the
                > project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal
                > earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
                >
                > I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did
                > in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and
                > use it.
                >
                > Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I
                > saved it here anyway: https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
                >
                >
                > greetings jasper
                >
                >
                >
                >
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              • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

                from Orsan Senalp on Dec 09, 2016 04:10 PM
                Should we fix time for coming sunday? If you can, I am in the netherlands; so an hour earlier then Spain, and can have room for relax talk (time wise) at late afternoon or evening. Look forwards!
                 
                
                
                On 8 dec. 2016, at 17:20, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                
                > Hi Orsan,
                > 
                > I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right now but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have some warning.
                > 
                > xox Heather
                > 
                > On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
                >> Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists actually.  
                >> 
                >> Very good idea on having a meetup. 
                >> 
                >> Vlad
                >> 
                >> 
                >> From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
                >> To: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                >> Cc: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                >> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
                >> Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
                >> 
                >> Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all, 
                >> 
                >> First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well. Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
                >> 
                >> Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan, Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation, make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it? 
                >> 
                >> Best,
                >> Orsan 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                >> 
                >> Hi all,
                >> 
                >> Two points:
                >> 1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name, something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future globalsquare.net coincides with or complements the original.
                >> 
                >> The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy and concentric circles.
                >> 
                >> I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or our own perceived preferences.
                >> 
                >> Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the assistance of research universities with computer science departments and the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins, searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options. (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a structure.)
                >> 
                >> Synopsis: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/
                >> More from Cuba free software conference: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
                >> More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
                >> 
                >> Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable, stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
                >> Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again to a free database and trust network. Starts at beginning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international, victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist industry." 
                >> 
                >> All the best to you all,
                >> Heather
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
                >> I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
                >> 
                >> Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
                >> 
                >> I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
                >> 
                >> #solidarty
                >> 
                >> Vlad
                >> 
                >> 
                >> ----- Original Message -----
                >> From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
                >> To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                >> Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                >> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
                >> Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
                >> 
                >> Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
                >> Best, 
                >> Orsan 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen <jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
                >> 
                >> Hi all,
                >> 
                >> Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of 
                >> global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
                >> we want to do with it.
                >> 
                >> The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
                >> during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
                >> project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
                >> earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
                >> 
                >> I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
                >> in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
                >> use it.
                >> 
                >> Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
                >> saved it here anyway: 
                >> https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
                >> 
                >> 
                >> greetings jasper
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
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          • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

            from Vlad T on Dec 08, 2016 04:26 PM
            Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked. i think its when i write to lists actually. 
            
            Very good idea on having a meetup. 
            
            Vlad 
            
            
            
            From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...> 
            To: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...> 
            Cc: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...> 
            Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM 
            Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it? 
            
            Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all, 
            
            First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well. Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well. 
            
            Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan, Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation, make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it? 
            
            Best, 
            Orsan 
            
            
            
            
            
            
            On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh < [ mailto:ttscanada@... | ttscanada@... ] > wrote: 
            
            
            
            
            
            
            Hi all, 
            
            Two points: 
            
            
            1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name, something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future [ http://globalsquare.net/ | globalsquare.net ] coincides with or complements the original. 
            
            The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy and concentric circles. 
            
            I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or our own perceived preferences. 
            
            Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the assistance of research universities with computer science departments and the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins, searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options. (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a structure.) 
            
            Synopsis: [ https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/ ] [ https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/ | https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/ ] 
            
            More from Cuba free software conference: [ https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/ ] [ https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/ | https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/ ] 
            
            More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid: Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable, stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30: [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE ] [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE ] 
            
            Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again to a free database and trust network. S tarts at beginning: [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU ] [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU ] 
            
            2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international, victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist industry." 
            
            
            
            All the best to you all, 
            Heather 
            
            
            On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote: 
            
            BQ_BEGIN
            
            I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
            
            Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
            
            I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
            
            #solidarty
            
            Vlad
            
            
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: "Orsan Senalp" [ mailto:orsan1234@... | < ] [ mailto:orsan1234@... | orsan1234@... ] >
            To: [ mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... ] [ mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... | 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... ] Cc: [ mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... ] [ mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... | 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... ] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
            Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] [ http://global-square.net/ | global-square.net ] expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
            
            Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
            Best, 
            Orsan 
            
            
            
            On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen [ mailto:jasperteunissen@... | < ] [ mailto:jasperteunissen@... | jasperteunissen@... ] > wrote: 
            
            BQ_BEGIN
            
            Hi all,
            
            Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of [ http://global-square.net/ | global-square.net ] website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
            we want to do with it.
            
            The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
            during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
            project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
            earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
            
            I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
            in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
            use it.
            
            Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
            saved it here anyway: [ https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net ] [ https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net | https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net ] greetings jasper
            
            
            
            
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            • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

              from Heather on Dec 08, 2016 04:57 PM
              Hi Orsan,
              
              I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right
              now but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have
              some warning.
              
              xox Heather
              
              
              On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
              > Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists
              > actually.  
              >
              > Very good idea on having a meetup. 
              >
              > Vlad
              >
              >
              > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
              > *From: *"Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
              > *To: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion"
              > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
              > *Cc: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion"
              > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
              > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
              > *Subject: *Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net
              > expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
              >
              > Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all, 
              >
              > First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at
              > the junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as
              > well. Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
              >
              > Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan,
              > Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world,
              > also others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections,
              > rising open fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the
              > wikileaks' situation, make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or
              > jitsi, just to take stacks of last 5 years, exchange about what we
              > have been doing last years, and brain storm of possible ways and means
              > for a renewal of global square ideas. In a relax and flexable way..
              > What would you think about it? 
              >
              > Best,
              > Orsan 
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...
              > <mailto:ttscanada@...>> wrote:
              >
              >     Hi all,
              >
              >     Two points:
              >
              >     1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square
              >     name, something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future
              >     globalsquare.net <http://globalsquare.net> coincides with or
              >     complements the original.
              >
              >     The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are
              >     designed as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created
              >     information, with a universal database and trust network. This
              >     would allow collaboration to be independent of software platforms
              >     and remove the control of corporations over user created data and
              >     relationships. It would also allow more effective methods of mass
              >     communication and collaboration such as stigmergy and concentric
              >     circles.
              >
              >     I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is
              >     just now that the technology has reached a point that it is
              >     viable. This would trigger a revolution in the way we work in so
              >     many fields but most importantly in allowing us to filter the
              >     noise of the Internet and find verified and knowledgeable
              >     information that is not filtered by platform or our own perceived
              >     preferences.
              >
              >     Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a
              >     universal commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation
              >     or trust that includes universities from different countries. The
              >     initial code to create this project is very simple but optimizing
              >     it is not! It would require the assistance of research
              >     universities with computer science departments and the resources
              >     to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins, searches
              >     and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options.
              >     (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my
              >     contact, to anyone you know who might be interested in
              >     collaborating in such a structure.)
              >
              >     Synopsis:
              >     https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/
              >
              >     More from Cuba free software conference:
              >     https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
              >
              >     More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
              >
              >     Methods of collaboration that this database structure would
              >     enable, stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30:
              >     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
              >
              >     Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to
              >     popularize Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can
              >     be used to move again to a free database and trust network. Starts
              >     at beginning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
              >
              >
              >
              >     2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if
              >     anyone is working on such a thing please consider collaborating
              >     with two international initiatives, opCanary which has the
              >     objective to "encourage and support people around the world to
              >     bring global class action law suits against resource corporations
              >     which violate human rights and environmental law" and
              >     opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international,
              >     victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and
              >     pedosadist industry."
              >
              >     All the best to you all,
              >
              >     Heather
              >
              >
              >     On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
              >
              >         I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
              >
              >         Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
              >
              >         I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
              >
              >         #solidarty
              >
              >         Vlad
              >
              >
              >         ----- Original Message -----
              >         From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@... <mailto:orsan1234@...>>
              >         To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
              >         <mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
              >         Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
              >         <mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
              >         Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
              >         Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net <http://global-square.net> expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
              >
              >         Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
              >         Best, 
              >         Orsan 
              >
              >
              >
              >         On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen <jasperteunissen@... <mailto:jasperteunissen@...>> wrote:
              >
              >             Hi all,
              >
              >             Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of 
              >             global-square.net <http://global-square.net> website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
              >             we want to do with it.
              >
              >             The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
              >             during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
              >             project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
              >             earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
              >
              >             I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
              >             in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
              >             use it.
              >
              >             Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
              >             saved it here anyway: 
              >             https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
              >
              >
              >             greetings jasper
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              • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

                from Orsan Senalp on Dec 09, 2016 04:16 PM
                Should we fix time for coming sunday? If you can, I am in the netherlands; so an hour earlier then Spain, and can have room for relax talk (time wise) at late afternoon or evening. Look forwards!
                 
                
                
                On 8 dec. 2016, at 17:20, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                
                > Hi Orsan,
                > 
                > I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right now but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have some warning.
                > 
                > xox Heather
                > 
                > On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
                >> Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists actually.  
                >> 
                >> Very good idea on having a meetup. 
                >> 
                >> Vlad
                >> 
                >> 
                >> From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
                >> To: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                >> Cc: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                >> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
                >> Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
                >> 
                >> Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all, 
                >> 
                >> First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well. Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
                >> 
                >> Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan, Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation, make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it? 
                >> 
                >> Best,
                >> Orsan 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                >> 
                >> Hi all,
                >> 
                >> Two points:
                >> 1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name, something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future globalsquare.net coincides with or complements the original.
                >> 
                >> The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy and concentric circles.
                >> 
                >> I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or our own perceived preferences.
                >> 
                >> Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the assistance of research universities with computer science departments and the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins, searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options. (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a structure.)
                >> 
                >> Synopsis: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/
                >> More from Cuba free software conference: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
                >> More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
                >> 
                >> Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable, stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
                >> Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again to a free database and trust network. Starts at beginning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international, victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist industry." 
                >> 
                >> All the best to you all,
                >> Heather
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
                >> I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
                >> 
                >> Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
                >> 
                >> I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
                >> 
                >> #solidarty
                >> 
                >> Vlad
                >> 
                >> 
                >> ----- Original Message -----
                >> From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
                >> To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                >> Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                >> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
                >> Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
                >> 
                >> Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
                >> Best, 
                >> Orsan 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen <jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
                >> 
                >> Hi all,
                >> 
                >> Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of 
                >> global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
                >> we want to do with it.
                >> 
                >> The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
                >> during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
                >> project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
                >> earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
                >> 
                >> I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
                >> in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
                >> use it.
                >> 
                >> Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
                >> saved it here anyway: 
                >> https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
                >> 
                >> 
                >> greetings jasper
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
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              • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

                from Alan Blanes on Dec 09, 2016 06:16 PM
                Sunday would be a good day to have a call - would this be done over mumble?
                There is a lawyer by the name of Alison who has expressed some interest in
                authentic UDHR legal clinics as part of the 17 SDGs. We are arranging for a
                call next week about this - so I would be very interested in what might be
                feasible through the WSF/Occupy partnership - Open FSM,  to get an
                international task force established.
                
                Alan
                
                On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                
                > Hi Orsan,
                >
                > I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right now
                > but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have some
                > warning.
                >
                > xox Heather
                >
                > On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
                >
                > Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists
                > actually.
                >
                > Very good idea on having a meetup.
                >
                > Vlad
                >
                >
                > ------------------------------
                > *From: *"Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...> <orsan1234@...>
                > *To: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-
                > discussion@...>
                > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                > *Cc: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-
                > discussion@...>
                > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
                >
                > *Subject: *Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net
                > expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
                >
                > Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all,
                >
                > First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the
                > junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well.
                > Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
                >
                > Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan,
                > Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also
                > others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open
                > fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation,
                > make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks
                > of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and
                > brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square
                > ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it?
                >
                > Best,
                > Orsan
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                >
                > Hi all,
                >
                > Two points:
                >
                > 1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name,
                > something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future globalsquare.net
                > coincides with or complements the original.
                >
                > The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed
                > as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a
                > universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be
                > independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations
                > over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more
                > effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy
                > and concentric circles.
                >
                > I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just
                > now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would
                > trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most
                > importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find
                > verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or
                > our own perceived preferences.
                >
                > Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal
                > commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that
                > includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create
                > this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the
                > assistance of research universities with computer science departments and
                > the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins,
                > searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options.
                > (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to
                > anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a
                > structure.)
                >
                > Synopsis: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-
                > for-self-governance-part-1/
                >
                > More from Cuba free software conference: https://georgiebc.wordpress.
                > com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
                >
                > More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
                > Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable,
                > stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30:
                > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
                >
                > Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize
                > Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again
                > to a free database and trust network. Starts at beginning:
                > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
                >
                >
                > 2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is
                > working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two
                > international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage
                > and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits
                > against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental
                > law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international,
                > victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist
                > industry."
                >
                > All the best to you all,
                > Heather
                >
                >
                > On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
                >
                > I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.
                >
                > Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.
                >
                > I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.
                >
                > #solidarty
                >
                > Vlad
                >
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: "Orsan Senalp" < <orsan1234@...>orsan1234@...>
                > To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                > Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
                > Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
                >
                > Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so!
                > Best,
                > Orsan
                >
                >
                >
                > On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen < <jasperteunissen@...>jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
                >
                >
                > Hi all,
                >
                > Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what
                > we want to do with it.
                >
                > The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments
                > during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the
                > project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal
                > earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
                >
                > I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did
                > in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and
                > use it.
                >
                > Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I
                > saved it here anyway: https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
                >
                >
                > greetings jasper
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > --
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              • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

                from Alan Blanes on Dec 09, 2016 06:08 PM
                Sunday would be a good day to have a call - would this be done over mumble?
                There is a lawyer by the name of Alison who has expressed some interest in
                authentic UDHR legal clinics as part of the 17 SDGs. We are arranging for a
                call next week about this - so I would be very interested in what might be
                feasible through the WSF/Occupy partnership - Open FSM,  to get an
                international task force established.
                
                Alan
                
                On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                
                > Hi Orsan,
                >
                > I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right now
                > but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have some
                > warning.
                >
                > xox Heather
                >
                > On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
                >
                > Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists
                > actually.
                >
                > Very good idea on having a meetup.
                >
                > Vlad
                >
                >
                > ------------------------------
                > *From: *"Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...> <orsan1234@...>
                > *To: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-
                > discussion@...>
                > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                > *Cc: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-
                > discussion@...>
                > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
                >
                > *Subject: *Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net
                > expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
                >
                > Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all,
                >
                > First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the
                > junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well.
                > Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
                >
                > Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan,
                > Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also
                > others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open
                > fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation,
                > make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks
                > of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and
                > brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square
                > ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it?
                >
                > Best,
                > Orsan
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                >
                > Hi all,
                >
                > Two points:
                >
                > 1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name,
                > something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future globalsquare.net
                > coincides with or complements the original.
                >
                > The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed
                > as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a
                > universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be
                > independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations
                > over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more
                > effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy
                > and concentric circles.
                >
                > I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just
                > now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would
                > trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most
                > importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find
                > verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or
                > our own perceived preferences.
                >
                > Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal
                > commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that
                > includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create
                > this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the
                > assistance of research universities with computer science departments and
                > the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins,
                > searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options.
                > (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to
                > anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a
                > structure.)
                >
                > Synopsis: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-
                > for-self-governance-part-1/
                >
                > More from Cuba free software conference: https://georgiebc.wordpress.
                > com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
                >
                > More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
                > Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable,
                > stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30:
                > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
                >
                > Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize
                > Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again
                > to a free database and trust network. Starts at beginning:
                > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
                >
                >
                > 2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is
                > working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two
                > international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage
                > and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits
                > against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental
                > law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international,
                > victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist
                > industry."
                >
                > All the best to you all,
                > Heather
                >
                >
                > On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
                >
                > I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.
                >
                > Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.
                >
                > I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.
                >
                > #solidarty
                >
                > Vlad
                >
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: "Orsan Senalp" < <orsan1234@...>orsan1234@...>
                > To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                > Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
                > Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
                >
                > Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so!
                > Best,
                > Orsan
                >
                >
                >
                > On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen < <jasperteunissen@...>jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
                >
                >
                > Hi all,
                >
                > Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what
                > we want to do with it.
                >
                > The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments
                > during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the
                > project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal
                > earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
                >
                > I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did
                > in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and
                > use it.
                >
                > Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I
                > saved it here anyway: https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
                >
                >
                > greetings jasper
                >
                >
                >
                >
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              • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

                from Orsan Senalp on Dec 09, 2016 04:10 PM
                Should we fix time for coming sunday? If you can, I am in the netherlands; so an hour earlier then Spain, and can have room for relax talk (time wise) at late afternoon or evening. Look forwards!
                 
                
                
                On 8 dec. 2016, at 17:20, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                
                > Hi Orsan,
                > 
                > I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right now but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have some warning.
                > 
                > xox Heather
                > 
                > On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
                >> Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists actually.  
                >> 
                >> Very good idea on having a meetup. 
                >> 
                >> Vlad
                >> 
                >> 
                >> From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
                >> To: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                >> Cc: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                >> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
                >> Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
                >> 
                >> Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all, 
                >> 
                >> First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well. Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
                >> 
                >> Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan, Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation, make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it? 
                >> 
                >> Best,
                >> Orsan 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                >> 
                >> Hi all,
                >> 
                >> Two points:
                >> 1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name, something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future globalsquare.net coincides with or complements the original.
                >> 
                >> The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy and concentric circles.
                >> 
                >> I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or our own perceived preferences.
                >> 
                >> Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the assistance of research universities with computer science departments and the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins, searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options. (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a structure.)
                >> 
                >> Synopsis: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/
                >> More from Cuba free software conference: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
                >> More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
                >> 
                >> Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable, stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
                >> Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again to a free database and trust network. Starts at beginning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international, victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist industry." 
                >> 
                >> All the best to you all,
                >> Heather
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
                >> I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
                >> 
                >> Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
                >> 
                >> I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
                >> 
                >> #solidarty
                >> 
                >> Vlad
                >> 
                >> 
                >> ----- Original Message -----
                >> From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
                >> To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                >> Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                >> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
                >> Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
                >> 
                >> Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
                >> Best, 
                >> Orsan 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen <jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
                >> 
                >> Hi all,
                >> 
                >> Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of 
                >> global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
                >> we want to do with it.
                >> 
                >> The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
                >> during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
                >> project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
                >> earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
                >> 
                >> I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
                >> in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
                >> use it.
                >> 
                >> Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
                >> saved it here anyway: 
                >> https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
                >> 
                >> 
                >> greetings jasper
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
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          • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

            from Vlad T on Dec 08, 2016 04:37 PM
            Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked. i think its when i write to lists actually. 
            
            Very good idea on having a meetup. 
            
            Vlad 
            
            
            
            From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...> 
            To: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...> 
            Cc: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...> 
            Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM 
            Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it? 
            
            Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all, 
            
            First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well. Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well. 
            
            Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan, Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation, make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it? 
            
            Best, 
            Orsan 
            
            
            
            
            
            
            On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh < [ mailto:ttscanada@... | ttscanada@... ] > wrote: 
            
            
            
            
            
            
            Hi all, 
            
            Two points: 
            
            
            1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name, something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future [ http://globalsquare.net/ | globalsquare.net ] coincides with or complements the original. 
            
            The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy and concentric circles. 
            
            I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or our own perceived preferences. 
            
            Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the assistance of research universities with computer science departments and the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins, searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options. (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a structure.) 
            
            Synopsis: [ https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/ ] [ https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/ | https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/ ] 
            
            More from Cuba free software conference: [ https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/ ] [ https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/ | https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/ ] 
            
            More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid: Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable, stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30: [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE ] [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE ] 
            
            Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again to a free database and trust network. S tarts at beginning: [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU ] [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU ] 
            
            2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international, victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist industry." 
            
            
            
            All the best to you all, 
            Heather 
            
            
            On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote: 
            
            BQ_BEGIN
            
            I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
            
            Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
            
            I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
            
            #solidarty
            
            Vlad
            
            
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: "Orsan Senalp" [ mailto:orsan1234@... | < ] [ mailto:orsan1234@... | orsan1234@... ] >
            To: [ mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... ] [ mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... | 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... ] Cc: [ mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... ] [ mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... | 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... ] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
            Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] [ http://global-square.net/ | global-square.net ] expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
            
            Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
            Best, 
            Orsan 
            
            
            
            On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen [ mailto:jasperteunissen@... | < ] [ mailto:jasperteunissen@... | jasperteunissen@... ] > wrote: 
            
            BQ_BEGIN
            
            Hi all,
            
            Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of [ http://global-square.net/ | global-square.net ] website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
            we want to do with it.
            
            The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
            during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
            project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
            earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
            
            I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
            in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
            use it.
            
            Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
            saved it here anyway: [ https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net ] [ https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net | https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net ] greetings jasper
            
            
            
            
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            • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

              from Heather on Dec 08, 2016 04:57 PM
              Hi Orsan,
              
              I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right
              now but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have
              some warning.
              
              xox Heather
              
              
              On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
              > Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists
              > actually.  
              >
              > Very good idea on having a meetup. 
              >
              > Vlad
              >
              >
              > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
              > *From: *"Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
              > *To: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion"
              > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
              > *Cc: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion"
              > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
              > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
              > *Subject: *Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net
              > expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
              >
              > Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all, 
              >
              > First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at
              > the junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as
              > well. Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
              >
              > Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan,
              > Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world,
              > also others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections,
              > rising open fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the
              > wikileaks' situation, make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or
              > jitsi, just to take stacks of last 5 years, exchange about what we
              > have been doing last years, and brain storm of possible ways and means
              > for a renewal of global square ideas. In a relax and flexable way..
              > What would you think about it? 
              >
              > Best,
              > Orsan 
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...
              > <mailto:ttscanada@...>> wrote:
              >
              >     Hi all,
              >
              >     Two points:
              >
              >     1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square
              >     name, something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future
              >     globalsquare.net <http://globalsquare.net> coincides with or
              >     complements the original.
              >
              >     The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are
              >     designed as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created
              >     information, with a universal database and trust network. This
              >     would allow collaboration to be independent of software platforms
              >     and remove the control of corporations over user created data and
              >     relationships. It would also allow more effective methods of mass
              >     communication and collaboration such as stigmergy and concentric
              >     circles.
              >
              >     I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is
              >     just now that the technology has reached a point that it is
              >     viable. This would trigger a revolution in the way we work in so
              >     many fields but most importantly in allowing us to filter the
              >     noise of the Internet and find verified and knowledgeable
              >     information that is not filtered by platform or our own perceived
              >     preferences.
              >
              >     Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a
              >     universal commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation
              >     or trust that includes universities from different countries. The
              >     initial code to create this project is very simple but optimizing
              >     it is not! It would require the assistance of research
              >     universities with computer science departments and the resources
              >     to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins, searches
              >     and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options.
              >     (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my
              >     contact, to anyone you know who might be interested in
              >     collaborating in such a structure.)
              >
              >     Synopsis:
              >     https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/
              >
              >     More from Cuba free software conference:
              >     https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
              >
              >     More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
              >
              >     Methods of collaboration that this database structure would
              >     enable, stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30:
              >     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
              >
              >     Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to
              >     popularize Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can
              >     be used to move again to a free database and trust network. Starts
              >     at beginning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
              >
              >
              >
              >     2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if
              >     anyone is working on such a thing please consider collaborating
              >     with two international initiatives, opCanary which has the
              >     objective to "encourage and support people around the world to
              >     bring global class action law suits against resource corporations
              >     which violate human rights and environmental law" and
              >     opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international,
              >     victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and
              >     pedosadist industry."
              >
              >     All the best to you all,
              >
              >     Heather
              >
              >
              >     On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
              >
              >         I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
              >
              >         Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
              >
              >         I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
              >
              >         #solidarty
              >
              >         Vlad
              >
              >
              >         ----- Original Message -----
              >         From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@... <mailto:orsan1234@...>>
              >         To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
              >         <mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
              >         Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
              >         <mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
              >         Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
              >         Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net <http://global-square.net> expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
              >
              >         Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
              >         Best, 
              >         Orsan 
              >
              >
              >
              >         On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen <jasperteunissen@... <mailto:jasperteunissen@...>> wrote:
              >
              >             Hi all,
              >
              >             Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of 
              >             global-square.net <http://global-square.net> website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
              >             we want to do with it.
              >
              >             The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
              >             during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
              >             project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
              >             earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
              >
              >             I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
              >             in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
              >             use it.
              >
              >             Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
              >             saved it here anyway: 
              >             https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
              >
              >
              >             greetings jasper
              >
              >
              >
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              • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

                from Orsan Senalp on Dec 09, 2016 04:16 PM
                Should we fix time for coming sunday? If you can, I am in the netherlands; so an hour earlier then Spain, and can have room for relax talk (time wise) at late afternoon or evening. Look forwards!
                 
                
                
                On 8 dec. 2016, at 17:20, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                
                > Hi Orsan,
                > 
                > I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right now but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have some warning.
                > 
                > xox Heather
                > 
                > On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
                >> Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists actually.  
                >> 
                >> Very good idea on having a meetup. 
                >> 
                >> Vlad
                >> 
                >> 
                >> From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
                >> To: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                >> Cc: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                >> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
                >> Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
                >> 
                >> Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all, 
                >> 
                >> First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well. Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
                >> 
                >> Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan, Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation, make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it? 
                >> 
                >> Best,
                >> Orsan 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                >> 
                >> Hi all,
                >> 
                >> Two points:
                >> 1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name, something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future globalsquare.net coincides with or complements the original.
                >> 
                >> The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy and concentric circles.
                >> 
                >> I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or our own perceived preferences.
                >> 
                >> Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the assistance of research universities with computer science departments and the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins, searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options. (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a structure.)
                >> 
                >> Synopsis: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/
                >> More from Cuba free software conference: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
                >> More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
                >> 
                >> Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable, stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
                >> Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again to a free database and trust network. Starts at beginning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international, victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist industry." 
                >> 
                >> All the best to you all,
                >> Heather
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
                >> I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
                >> 
                >> Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
                >> 
                >> I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
                >> 
                >> #solidarty
                >> 
                >> Vlad
                >> 
                >> 
                >> ----- Original Message -----
                >> From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
                >> To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                >> Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                >> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
                >> Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
                >> 
                >> Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
                >> Best, 
                >> Orsan 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen <jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
                >> 
                >> Hi all,
                >> 
                >> Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of 
                >> global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
                >> we want to do with it.
                >> 
                >> The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
                >> during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
                >> project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
                >> earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
                >> 
                >> I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
                >> in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
                >> use it.
                >> 
                >> Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
                >> saved it here anyway: 
                >> https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
                >> 
                >> 
                >> greetings jasper
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
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              • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

                from Alan Blanes on Dec 09, 2016 06:16 PM
                Sunday would be a good day to have a call - would this be done over mumble?
                There is a lawyer by the name of Alison who has expressed some interest in
                authentic UDHR legal clinics as part of the 17 SDGs. We are arranging for a
                call next week about this - so I would be very interested in what might be
                feasible through the WSF/Occupy partnership - Open FSM,  to get an
                international task force established.
                
                Alan
                
                On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                
                > Hi Orsan,
                >
                > I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right now
                > but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have some
                > warning.
                >
                > xox Heather
                >
                > On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
                >
                > Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists
                > actually.
                >
                > Very good idea on having a meetup.
                >
                > Vlad
                >
                >
                > ------------------------------
                > *From: *"Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...> <orsan1234@...>
                > *To: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-
                > discussion@...>
                > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                > *Cc: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-
                > discussion@...>
                > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
                >
                > *Subject: *Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net
                > expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
                >
                > Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all,
                >
                > First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the
                > junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well.
                > Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
                >
                > Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan,
                > Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also
                > others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open
                > fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation,
                > make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks
                > of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and
                > brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square
                > ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it?
                >
                > Best,
                > Orsan
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                >
                > Hi all,
                >
                > Two points:
                >
                > 1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name,
                > something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future globalsquare.net
                > coincides with or complements the original.
                >
                > The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed
                > as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a
                > universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be
                > independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations
                > over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more
                > effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy
                > and concentric circles.
                >
                > I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just
                > now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would
                > trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most
                > importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find
                > verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or
                > our own perceived preferences.
                >
                > Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal
                > commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that
                > includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create
                > this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the
                > assistance of research universities with computer science departments and
                > the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins,
                > searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options.
                > (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to
                > anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a
                > structure.)
                >
                > Synopsis: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-
                > for-self-governance-part-1/
                >
                > More from Cuba free software conference: https://georgiebc.wordpress.
                > com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
                >
                > More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
                > Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable,
                > stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30:
                > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
                >
                > Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize
                > Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again
                > to a free database and trust network. Starts at beginning:
                > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
                >
                >
                > 2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is
                > working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two
                > international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage
                > and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits
                > against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental
                > law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international,
                > victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist
                > industry."
                >
                > All the best to you all,
                > Heather
                >
                >
                > On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
                >
                > I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.
                >
                > Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.
                >
                > I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.
                >
                > #solidarty
                >
                > Vlad
                >
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: "Orsan Senalp" < <orsan1234@...>orsan1234@...>
                > To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                > Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
                > Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
                >
                > Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so!
                > Best,
                > Orsan
                >
                >
                >
                > On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen < <jasperteunissen@...>jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
                >
                >
                > Hi all,
                >
                > Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what
                > we want to do with it.
                >
                > The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments
                > during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the
                > project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal
                > earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
                >
                > I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did
                > in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and
                > use it.
                >
                > Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I
                > saved it here anyway: https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
                >
                >
                > greetings jasper
                >
                >
                >
                >
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              • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

                from Alan Blanes on Dec 09, 2016 06:08 PM
                Sunday would be a good day to have a call - would this be done over mumble?
                There is a lawyer by the name of Alison who has expressed some interest in
                authentic UDHR legal clinics as part of the 17 SDGs. We are arranging for a
                call next week about this - so I would be very interested in what might be
                feasible through the WSF/Occupy partnership - Open FSM,  to get an
                international task force established.
                
                Alan
                
                On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                
                > Hi Orsan,
                >
                > I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right now
                > but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have some
                > warning.
                >
                > xox Heather
                >
                > On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
                >
                > Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists
                > actually.
                >
                > Very good idea on having a meetup.
                >
                > Vlad
                >
                >
                > ------------------------------
                > *From: *"Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...> <orsan1234@...>
                > *To: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-
                > discussion@...>
                > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                > *Cc: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-
                > discussion@...>
                > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
                >
                > *Subject: *Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net
                > expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
                >
                > Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all,
                >
                > First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the
                > junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well.
                > Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
                >
                > Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan,
                > Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also
                > others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open
                > fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation,
                > make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks
                > of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and
                > brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square
                > ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it?
                >
                > Best,
                > Orsan
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                >
                > Hi all,
                >
                > Two points:
                >
                > 1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name,
                > something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future globalsquare.net
                > coincides with or complements the original.
                >
                > The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed
                > as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a
                > universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be
                > independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations
                > over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more
                > effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy
                > and concentric circles.
                >
                > I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just
                > now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would
                > trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most
                > importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find
                > verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or
                > our own perceived preferences.
                >
                > Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal
                > commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that
                > includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create
                > this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the
                > assistance of research universities with computer science departments and
                > the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins,
                > searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options.
                > (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to
                > anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a
                > structure.)
                >
                > Synopsis: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-
                > for-self-governance-part-1/
                >
                > More from Cuba free software conference: https://georgiebc.wordpress.
                > com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
                >
                > More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
                > Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable,
                > stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30:
                > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
                >
                > Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize
                > Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again
                > to a free database and trust network. Starts at beginning:
                > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
                >
                >
                > 2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is
                > working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two
                > international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage
                > and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits
                > against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental
                > law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international,
                > victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist
                > industry."
                >
                > All the best to you all,
                > Heather
                >
                >
                > On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
                >
                > I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.
                >
                > Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.
                >
                > I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.
                >
                > #solidarty
                >
                > Vlad
                >
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: "Orsan Senalp" < <orsan1234@...>orsan1234@...>
                > To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                > Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
                > Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
                >
                > Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so!
                > Best,
                > Orsan
                >
                >
                >
                > On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen < <jasperteunissen@...>jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
                >
                >
                > Hi all,
                >
                > Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what
                > we want to do with it.
                >
                > The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments
                > during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the
                > project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal
                > earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
                >
                > I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did
                > in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and
                > use it.
                >
                > Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I
                > saved it here anyway: https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
                >
                >
                > greetings jasper
                >
                >
                >
                >
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              • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

                from Orsan Senalp on Dec 09, 2016 04:10 PM
                Should we fix time for coming sunday? If you can, I am in the netherlands; so an hour earlier then Spain, and can have room for relax talk (time wise) at late afternoon or evening. Look forwards!
                 
                
                
                On 8 dec. 2016, at 17:20, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                
                > Hi Orsan,
                > 
                > I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right now but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have some warning.
                > 
                > xox Heather
                > 
                > On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
                >> Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists actually.  
                >> 
                >> Very good idea on having a meetup. 
                >> 
                >> Vlad
                >> 
                >> 
                >> From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
                >> To: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                >> Cc: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                >> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
                >> Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
                >> 
                >> Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all, 
                >> 
                >> First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well. Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
                >> 
                >> Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan, Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation, make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it? 
                >> 
                >> Best,
                >> Orsan 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                >> 
                >> Hi all,
                >> 
                >> Two points:
                >> 1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name, something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future globalsquare.net coincides with or complements the original.
                >> 
                >> The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy and concentric circles.
                >> 
                >> I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or our own perceived preferences.
                >> 
                >> Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the assistance of research universities with computer science departments and the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins, searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options. (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a structure.)
                >> 
                >> Synopsis: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/
                >> More from Cuba free software conference: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
                >> More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
                >> 
                >> Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable, stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
                >> Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again to a free database and trust network. Starts at beginning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international, victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist industry." 
                >> 
                >> All the best to you all,
                >> Heather
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
                >> I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
                >> 
                >> Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
                >> 
                >> I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
                >> 
                >> #solidarty
                >> 
                >> Vlad
                >> 
                >> 
                >> ----- Original Message -----
                >> From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
                >> To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                >> Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                >> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
                >> Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
                >> 
                >> Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
                >> Best, 
                >> Orsan 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen <jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
                >> 
                >> Hi all,
                >> 
                >> Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of 
                >> global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
                >> we want to do with it.
                >> 
                >> The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
                >> during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
                >> project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
                >> earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
                >> 
                >> I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
                >> in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
                >> use it.
                >> 
                >> Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
                >> saved it here anyway: 
                >> https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
                >> 
                >> 
                >> greetings jasper
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
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        • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

          from Orsan Senalp on Dec 07, 2016 07:31 PM
          Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all, 
          
          First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well. Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
          
          Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan, Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation, make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it? 
          
          Best,
          Orsan 
          
          
          
          
          
          
          On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
          
          > Hi all,
          > 
          > Two points:
          > 1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name, something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future globalsquare.net coincides with or complements the original.
          > 
          > The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy and concentric circles.
          > 
          > I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or our own perceived preferences.
          > 
          > Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the assistance of research universities with computer science departments and the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins, searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options. (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a structure.)
          > 
          > Synopsis: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/
          > More from Cuba free software conference: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
          > More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
          > 
          > Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable, stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
          > Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize Facebook and how concentric circles             and stigmergy can be used to move again to a free database and trust network. Starts at beginning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
          > 
          > 
          > 2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage and support people around the world to bring global class     action law suits against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international, victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist industry." 
          > 
          > All the best to you all,
          > Heather
          > 
          > 
          > On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
          >> I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
          >> 
          >> Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
          >> 
          >> I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
          >> 
          >> #solidarty
          >> 
          >> Vlad
          >> 
          >> 
          >> ----- Original Message -----
          >> From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
          >> To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
          >> Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
          >> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
          >> Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
          >> 
          >> Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
          >> Best, 
          >> Orsan 
          >> 
          >> 
          >> 
          >> On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen <jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
          >> 
          >>> Hi all,
          >>> 
          >>> Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of 
          >>> global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
          >>> we want to do with it.
          >>> 
          >>> The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
          >>> during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
          >>> project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
          >>> earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
          >>> 
          >>> I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
          >>> in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
          >>> use it.
          >>> 
          >>> Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
          >>> saved it here anyway: 
          >>> https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
          >>> 
          >>> 
          >>> greetings jasper
          >>> 
          >>> 
          >>> 
          >>> 
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          • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

            from Vlad T on Dec 08, 2016 05:22 PM
            Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked. i think its when i write to lists actually. 
            
            Very good idea on having a meetup. 
            
            Vlad 
            
            
            
            From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...> 
            To: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...> 
            Cc: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...> 
            Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM 
            Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it? 
            
            Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all, 
            
            First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well. Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well. 
            
            Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan, Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation, make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it? 
            
            Best, 
            Orsan 
            
            
            
            
            
            
            On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh < [ mailto:ttscanada@... | ttscanada@... ] > wrote: 
            
            
            
            
            
            
            Hi all, 
            
            Two points: 
            
            
            1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name, something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future [ http://globalsquare.net/ | globalsquare.net ] coincides with or complements the original. 
            
            The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy and concentric circles. 
            
            I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or our own perceived preferences. 
            
            Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the assistance of research universities with computer science departments and the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins, searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options. (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a structure.) 
            
            Synopsis: [ https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/ ] [ https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/ | https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/ ] 
            
            More from Cuba free software conference: [ https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/ ] [ https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/ | https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/ ] 
            
            More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid: Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable, stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30: [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE ] [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE ] 
            
            Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again to a free database and trust network. S tarts at beginning: [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU ] [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU ] 
            
            2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international, victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist industry." 
            
            
            
            All the best to you all, 
            Heather 
            
            
            On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote: 
            
            BQ_BEGIN
            
            I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
            
            Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
            
            I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
            
            #solidarty
            
            Vlad
            
            
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: "Orsan Senalp" [ mailto:orsan1234@... | < ] [ mailto:orsan1234@... | orsan1234@... ] >
            To: [ mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... ] [ mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... | 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... ] Cc: [ mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... ] [ mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... | 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... ] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
            Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] [ http://global-square.net/ | global-square.net ] expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
            
            Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
            Best, 
            Orsan 
            
            
            
            On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen [ mailto:jasperteunissen@... | < ] [ mailto:jasperteunissen@... | jasperteunissen@... ] > wrote: 
            
            BQ_BEGIN
            
            Hi all,
            
            Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of [ http://global-square.net/ | global-square.net ] website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
            we want to do with it.
            
            The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
            during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
            project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
            earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
            
            I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
            in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
            use it.
            
            Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
            saved it here anyway: [ https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net ] [ https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net | https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net ] greetings jasper
            
            
            
            
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            • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

              from Heather on Dec 08, 2016 04:57 PM
              Hi Orsan,
              
              I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right
              now but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have
              some warning.
              
              xox Heather
              
              
              On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
              > Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists
              > actually.  
              >
              > Very good idea on having a meetup. 
              >
              > Vlad
              >
              >
              > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
              > *From: *"Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
              > *To: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion"
              > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
              > *Cc: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion"
              > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
              > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
              > *Subject: *Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net
              > expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
              >
              > Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all, 
              >
              > First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at
              > the junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as
              > well. Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
              >
              > Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan,
              > Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world,
              > also others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections,
              > rising open fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the
              > wikileaks' situation, make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or
              > jitsi, just to take stacks of last 5 years, exchange about what we
              > have been doing last years, and brain storm of possible ways and means
              > for a renewal of global square ideas. In a relax and flexable way..
              > What would you think about it? 
              >
              > Best,
              > Orsan 
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...
              > <mailto:ttscanada@...>> wrote:
              >
              >     Hi all,
              >
              >     Two points:
              >
              >     1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square
              >     name, something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future
              >     globalsquare.net <http://globalsquare.net> coincides with or
              >     complements the original.
              >
              >     The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are
              >     designed as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created
              >     information, with a universal database and trust network. This
              >     would allow collaboration to be independent of software platforms
              >     and remove the control of corporations over user created data and
              >     relationships. It would also allow more effective methods of mass
              >     communication and collaboration such as stigmergy and concentric
              >     circles.
              >
              >     I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is
              >     just now that the technology has reached a point that it is
              >     viable. This would trigger a revolution in the way we work in so
              >     many fields but most importantly in allowing us to filter the
              >     noise of the Internet and find verified and knowledgeable
              >     information that is not filtered by platform or our own perceived
              >     preferences.
              >
              >     Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a
              >     universal commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation
              >     or trust that includes universities from different countries. The
              >     initial code to create this project is very simple but optimizing
              >     it is not! It would require the assistance of research
              >     universities with computer science departments and the resources
              >     to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins, searches
              >     and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options.
              >     (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my
              >     contact, to anyone you know who might be interested in
              >     collaborating in such a structure.)
              >
              >     Synopsis:
              >     https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/
              >
              >     More from Cuba free software conference:
              >     https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
              >
              >     More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
              >
              >     Methods of collaboration that this database structure would
              >     enable, stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30:
              >     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
              >
              >     Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to
              >     popularize Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can
              >     be used to move again to a free database and trust network. Starts
              >     at beginning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
              >
              >
              >
              >     2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if
              >     anyone is working on such a thing please consider collaborating
              >     with two international initiatives, opCanary which has the
              >     objective to "encourage and support people around the world to
              >     bring global class action law suits against resource corporations
              >     which violate human rights and environmental law" and
              >     opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international,
              >     victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and
              >     pedosadist industry."
              >
              >     All the best to you all,
              >
              >     Heather
              >
              >
              >     On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
              >
              >         I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
              >
              >         Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
              >
              >         I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
              >
              >         #solidarty
              >
              >         Vlad
              >
              >
              >         ----- Original Message -----
              >         From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@... <mailto:orsan1234@...>>
              >         To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
              >         <mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
              >         Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
              >         <mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
              >         Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
              >         Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net <http://global-square.net> expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
              >
              >         Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
              >         Best, 
              >         Orsan 
              >
              >
              >
              >         On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen <jasperteunissen@... <mailto:jasperteunissen@...>> wrote:
              >
              >             Hi all,
              >
              >             Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of 
              >             global-square.net <http://global-square.net> website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
              >             we want to do with it.
              >
              >             The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
              >             during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
              >             project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
              >             earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
              >
              >             I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
              >             in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
              >             use it.
              >
              >             Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
              >             saved it here anyway: 
              >             https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
              >
              >
              >             greetings jasper
              >
              >
              >
              >
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              • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

                from Orsan Senalp on Dec 09, 2016 04:16 PM
                Should we fix time for coming sunday? If you can, I am in the netherlands; so an hour earlier then Spain, and can have room for relax talk (time wise) at late afternoon or evening. Look forwards!
                 
                
                
                On 8 dec. 2016, at 17:20, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                
                > Hi Orsan,
                > 
                > I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right now but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have some warning.
                > 
                > xox Heather
                > 
                > On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
                >> Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists actually.  
                >> 
                >> Very good idea on having a meetup. 
                >> 
                >> Vlad
                >> 
                >> 
                >> From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
                >> To: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                >> Cc: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                >> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
                >> Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
                >> 
                >> Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all, 
                >> 
                >> First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well. Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
                >> 
                >> Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan, Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation, make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it? 
                >> 
                >> Best,
                >> Orsan 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                >> 
                >> Hi all,
                >> 
                >> Two points:
                >> 1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name, something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future globalsquare.net coincides with or complements the original.
                >> 
                >> The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy and concentric circles.
                >> 
                >> I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or our own perceived preferences.
                >> 
                >> Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the assistance of research universities with computer science departments and the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins, searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options. (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a structure.)
                >> 
                >> Synopsis: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/
                >> More from Cuba free software conference: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
                >> More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
                >> 
                >> Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable, stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
                >> Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again to a free database and trust network. Starts at beginning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international, victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist industry." 
                >> 
                >> All the best to you all,
                >> Heather
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
                >> I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
                >> 
                >> Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
                >> 
                >> I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
                >> 
                >> #solidarty
                >> 
                >> Vlad
                >> 
                >> 
                >> ----- Original Message -----
                >> From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
                >> To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                >> Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                >> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
                >> Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
                >> 
                >> Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
                >> Best, 
                >> Orsan 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen <jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
                >> 
                >> Hi all,
                >> 
                >> Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of 
                >> global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
                >> we want to do with it.
                >> 
                >> The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
                >> during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
                >> project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
                >> earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
                >> 
                >> I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
                >> in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
                >> use it.
                >> 
                >> Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
                >> saved it here anyway: 
                >> https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
                >> 
                >> 
                >> greetings jasper
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
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              • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

                from Alan Blanes on Dec 09, 2016 06:16 PM
                Sunday would be a good day to have a call - would this be done over mumble?
                There is a lawyer by the name of Alison who has expressed some interest in
                authentic UDHR legal clinics as part of the 17 SDGs. We are arranging for a
                call next week about this - so I would be very interested in what might be
                feasible through the WSF/Occupy partnership - Open FSM,  to get an
                international task force established.
                
                Alan
                
                On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                
                > Hi Orsan,
                >
                > I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right now
                > but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have some
                > warning.
                >
                > xox Heather
                >
                > On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
                >
                > Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists
                > actually.
                >
                > Very good idea on having a meetup.
                >
                > Vlad
                >
                >
                > ------------------------------
                > *From: *"Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...> <orsan1234@...>
                > *To: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-
                > discussion@...>
                > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                > *Cc: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-
                > discussion@...>
                > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
                >
                > *Subject: *Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net
                > expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
                >
                > Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all,
                >
                > First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the
                > junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well.
                > Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
                >
                > Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan,
                > Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also
                > others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open
                > fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation,
                > make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks
                > of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and
                > brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square
                > ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it?
                >
                > Best,
                > Orsan
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                >
                > Hi all,
                >
                > Two points:
                >
                > 1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name,
                > something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future globalsquare.net
                > coincides with or complements the original.
                >
                > The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed
                > as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a
                > universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be
                > independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations
                > over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more
                > effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy
                > and concentric circles.
                >
                > I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just
                > now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would
                > trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most
                > importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find
                > verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or
                > our own perceived preferences.
                >
                > Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal
                > commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that
                > includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create
                > this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the
                > assistance of research universities with computer science departments and
                > the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins,
                > searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options.
                > (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to
                > anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a
                > structure.)
                >
                > Synopsis: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-
                > for-self-governance-part-1/
                >
                > More from Cuba free software conference: https://georgiebc.wordpress.
                > com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
                >
                > More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
                > Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable,
                > stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30:
                > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
                >
                > Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize
                > Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again
                > to a free database and trust network. Starts at beginning:
                > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
                >
                >
                > 2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is
                > working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two
                > international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage
                > and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits
                > against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental
                > law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international,
                > victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist
                > industry."
                >
                > All the best to you all,
                > Heather
                >
                >
                > On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
                >
                > I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.
                >
                > Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.
                >
                > I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.
                >
                > #solidarty
                >
                > Vlad
                >
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: "Orsan Senalp" < <orsan1234@...>orsan1234@...>
                > To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                > Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
                > Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
                >
                > Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so!
                > Best,
                > Orsan
                >
                >
                >
                > On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen < <jasperteunissen@...>jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
                >
                >
                > Hi all,
                >
                > Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what
                > we want to do with it.
                >
                > The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments
                > during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the
                > project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal
                > earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
                >
                > I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did
                > in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and
                > use it.
                >
                > Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I
                > saved it here anyway: https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
                >
                >
                > greetings jasper
                >
                >
                >
                >
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              • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

                from Alan Blanes on Dec 09, 2016 06:08 PM
                Sunday would be a good day to have a call - would this be done over mumble?
                There is a lawyer by the name of Alison who has expressed some interest in
                authentic UDHR legal clinics as part of the 17 SDGs. We are arranging for a
                call next week about this - so I would be very interested in what might be
                feasible through the WSF/Occupy partnership - Open FSM,  to get an
                international task force established.
                
                Alan
                
                On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                
                > Hi Orsan,
                >
                > I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right now
                > but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have some
                > warning.
                >
                > xox Heather
                >
                > On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
                >
                > Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists
                > actually.
                >
                > Very good idea on having a meetup.
                >
                > Vlad
                >
                >
                > ------------------------------
                > *From: *"Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...> <orsan1234@...>
                > *To: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-
                > discussion@...>
                > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                > *Cc: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-
                > discussion@...>
                > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
                >
                > *Subject: *Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net
                > expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
                >
                > Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all,
                >
                > First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the
                > junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well.
                > Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
                >
                > Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan,
                > Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also
                > others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open
                > fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation,
                > make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks
                > of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and
                > brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square
                > ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it?
                >
                > Best,
                > Orsan
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                >
                > Hi all,
                >
                > Two points:
                >
                > 1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name,
                > something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future globalsquare.net
                > coincides with or complements the original.
                >
                > The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed
                > as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a
                > universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be
                > independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations
                > over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more
                > effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy
                > and concentric circles.
                >
                > I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just
                > now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would
                > trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most
                > importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find
                > verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or
                > our own perceived preferences.
                >
                > Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal
                > commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that
                > includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create
                > this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the
                > assistance of research universities with computer science departments and
                > the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins,
                > searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options.
                > (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to
                > anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a
                > structure.)
                >
                > Synopsis: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-
                > for-self-governance-part-1/
                >
                > More from Cuba free software conference: https://georgiebc.wordpress.
                > com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
                >
                > More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
                > Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable,
                > stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30:
                > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
                >
                > Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize
                > Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again
                > to a free database and trust network. Starts at beginning:
                > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
                >
                >
                > 2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is
                > working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two
                > international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage
                > and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits
                > against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental
                > law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international,
                > victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist
                > industry."
                >
                > All the best to you all,
                > Heather
                >
                >
                > On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
                >
                > I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.
                >
                > Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.
                >
                > I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.
                >
                > #solidarty
                >
                > Vlad
                >
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: "Orsan Senalp" < <orsan1234@...>orsan1234@...>
                > To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                > Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
                > Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
                >
                > Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so!
                > Best,
                > Orsan
                >
                >
                >
                > On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen < <jasperteunissen@...>jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
                >
                >
                > Hi all,
                >
                > Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what
                > we want to do with it.
                >
                > The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments
                > during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the
                > project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal
                > earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
                >
                > I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did
                > in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and
                > use it.
                >
                > Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I
                > saved it here anyway: https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
                >
                >
                > greetings jasper
                >
                >
                >
                >
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              • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

                from Orsan Senalp on Dec 09, 2016 04:10 PM
                Should we fix time for coming sunday? If you can, I am in the netherlands; so an hour earlier then Spain, and can have room for relax talk (time wise) at late afternoon or evening. Look forwards!
                 
                
                
                On 8 dec. 2016, at 17:20, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                
                > Hi Orsan,
                > 
                > I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right now but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have some warning.
                > 
                > xox Heather
                > 
                > On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
                >> Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists actually.  
                >> 
                >> Very good idea on having a meetup. 
                >> 
                >> Vlad
                >> 
                >> 
                >> From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
                >> To: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                >> Cc: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                >> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
                >> Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
                >> 
                >> Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all, 
                >> 
                >> First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well. Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
                >> 
                >> Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan, Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation, make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it? 
                >> 
                >> Best,
                >> Orsan 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                >> 
                >> Hi all,
                >> 
                >> Two points:
                >> 1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name, something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future globalsquare.net coincides with or complements the original.
                >> 
                >> The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy and concentric circles.
                >> 
                >> I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or our own perceived preferences.
                >> 
                >> Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the assistance of research universities with computer science departments and the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins, searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options. (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a structure.)
                >> 
                >> Synopsis: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/
                >> More from Cuba free software conference: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
                >> More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
                >> 
                >> Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable, stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
                >> Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again to a free database and trust network. Starts at beginning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international, victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist industry." 
                >> 
                >> All the best to you all,
                >> Heather
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
                >> I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
                >> 
                >> Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
                >> 
                >> I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
                >> 
                >> #solidarty
                >> 
                >> Vlad
                >> 
                >> 
                >> ----- Original Message -----
                >> From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
                >> To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                >> Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                >> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
                >> Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
                >> 
                >> Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
                >> Best, 
                >> Orsan 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen <jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
                >> 
                >> Hi all,
                >> 
                >> Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of 
                >> global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
                >> we want to do with it.
                >> 
                >> The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
                >> during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
                >> project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
                >> earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
                >> 
                >> I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
                >> in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
                >> use it.
                >> 
                >> Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
                >> saved it here anyway: 
                >> https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
                >> 
                >> 
                >> greetings jasper
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
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          • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

            from Vlad T on Dec 08, 2016 04:26 PM
            Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked. i think its when i write to lists actually. 
            
            Very good idea on having a meetup. 
            
            Vlad 
            
            
            
            From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...> 
            To: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...> 
            Cc: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...> 
            Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM 
            Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it? 
            
            Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all, 
            
            First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well. Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well. 
            
            Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan, Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation, make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it? 
            
            Best, 
            Orsan 
            
            
            
            
            
            
            On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh < [ mailto:ttscanada@... | ttscanada@... ] > wrote: 
            
            
            
            
            
            
            Hi all, 
            
            Two points: 
            
            
            1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name, something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future [ http://globalsquare.net/ | globalsquare.net ] coincides with or complements the original. 
            
            The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy and concentric circles. 
            
            I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or our own perceived preferences. 
            
            Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the assistance of research universities with computer science departments and the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins, searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options. (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a structure.) 
            
            Synopsis: [ https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/ ] [ https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/ | https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/ ] 
            
            More from Cuba free software conference: [ https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/ ] [ https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/ | https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/ ] 
            
            More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid: Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable, stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30: [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE ] [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE ] 
            
            Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again to a free database and trust network. S tarts at beginning: [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU ] [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU ] 
            
            2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international, victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist industry." 
            
            
            
            All the best to you all, 
            Heather 
            
            
            On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote: 
            
            BQ_BEGIN
            
            I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
            
            Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
            
            I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
            
            #solidarty
            
            Vlad
            
            
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: "Orsan Senalp" [ mailto:orsan1234@... | < ] [ mailto:orsan1234@... | orsan1234@... ] >
            To: [ mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... ] [ mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... | 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... ] Cc: [ mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... ] [ mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... | 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... ] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
            Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] [ http://global-square.net/ | global-square.net ] expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
            
            Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
            Best, 
            Orsan 
            
            
            
            On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen [ mailto:jasperteunissen@... | < ] [ mailto:jasperteunissen@... | jasperteunissen@... ] > wrote: 
            
            BQ_BEGIN
            
            Hi all,
            
            Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of [ http://global-square.net/ | global-square.net ] website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
            we want to do with it.
            
            The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
            during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
            project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
            earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
            
            I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
            in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
            use it.
            
            Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
            saved it here anyway: [ https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net ] [ https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net | https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net ] greetings jasper
            
            
            
            
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            • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

              from Heather on Dec 08, 2016 04:57 PM
              Hi Orsan,
              
              I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right
              now but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have
              some warning.
              
              xox Heather
              
              
              On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
              > Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists
              > actually.  
              >
              > Very good idea on having a meetup. 
              >
              > Vlad
              >
              >
              > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
              > *From: *"Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
              > *To: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion"
              > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
              > *Cc: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion"
              > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
              > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
              > *Subject: *Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net
              > expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
              >
              > Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all, 
              >
              > First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at
              > the junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as
              > well. Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
              >
              > Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan,
              > Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world,
              > also others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections,
              > rising open fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the
              > wikileaks' situation, make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or
              > jitsi, just to take stacks of last 5 years, exchange about what we
              > have been doing last years, and brain storm of possible ways and means
              > for a renewal of global square ideas. In a relax and flexable way..
              > What would you think about it? 
              >
              > Best,
              > Orsan 
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...
              > <mailto:ttscanada@...>> wrote:
              >
              >     Hi all,
              >
              >     Two points:
              >
              >     1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square
              >     name, something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future
              >     globalsquare.net <http://globalsquare.net> coincides with or
              >     complements the original.
              >
              >     The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are
              >     designed as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created
              >     information, with a universal database and trust network. This
              >     would allow collaboration to be independent of software platforms
              >     and remove the control of corporations over user created data and
              >     relationships. It would also allow more effective methods of mass
              >     communication and collaboration such as stigmergy and concentric
              >     circles.
              >
              >     I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is
              >     just now that the technology has reached a point that it is
              >     viable. This would trigger a revolution in the way we work in so
              >     many fields but most importantly in allowing us to filter the
              >     noise of the Internet and find verified and knowledgeable
              >     information that is not filtered by platform or our own perceived
              >     preferences.
              >
              >     Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a
              >     universal commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation
              >     or trust that includes universities from different countries. The
              >     initial code to create this project is very simple but optimizing
              >     it is not! It would require the assistance of research
              >     universities with computer science departments and the resources
              >     to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins, searches
              >     and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options.
              >     (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my
              >     contact, to anyone you know who might be interested in
              >     collaborating in such a structure.)
              >
              >     Synopsis:
              >     https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/
              >
              >     More from Cuba free software conference:
              >     https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
              >
              >     More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
              >
              >     Methods of collaboration that this database structure would
              >     enable, stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30:
              >     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
              >
              >     Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to
              >     popularize Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can
              >     be used to move again to a free database and trust network. Starts
              >     at beginning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
              >
              >
              >
              >     2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if
              >     anyone is working on such a thing please consider collaborating
              >     with two international initiatives, opCanary which has the
              >     objective to "encourage and support people around the world to
              >     bring global class action law suits against resource corporations
              >     which violate human rights and environmental law" and
              >     opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international,
              >     victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and
              >     pedosadist industry."
              >
              >     All the best to you all,
              >
              >     Heather
              >
              >
              >     On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
              >
              >         I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
              >
              >         Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
              >
              >         I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
              >
              >         #solidarty
              >
              >         Vlad
              >
              >
              >         ----- Original Message -----
              >         From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@... <mailto:orsan1234@...>>
              >         To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
              >         <mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
              >         Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
              >         <mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
              >         Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
              >         Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net <http://global-square.net> expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
              >
              >         Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
              >         Best, 
              >         Orsan 
              >
              >
              >
              >         On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen <jasperteunissen@... <mailto:jasperteunissen@...>> wrote:
              >
              >             Hi all,
              >
              >             Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of 
              >             global-square.net <http://global-square.net> website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
              >             we want to do with it.
              >
              >             The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
              >             during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
              >             project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
              >             earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
              >
              >             I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
              >             in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
              >             use it.
              >
              >             Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
              >             saved it here anyway: 
              >             https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
              >
              >
              >             greetings jasper
              >
              >
              >
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              • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

                from Orsan Senalp on Dec 09, 2016 04:16 PM
                Should we fix time for coming sunday? If you can, I am in the netherlands; so an hour earlier then Spain, and can have room for relax talk (time wise) at late afternoon or evening. Look forwards!
                 
                
                
                On 8 dec. 2016, at 17:20, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                
                > Hi Orsan,
                > 
                > I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right now but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have some warning.
                > 
                > xox Heather
                > 
                > On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
                >> Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists actually.  
                >> 
                >> Very good idea on having a meetup. 
                >> 
                >> Vlad
                >> 
                >> 
                >> From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
                >> To: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                >> Cc: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                >> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
                >> Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
                >> 
                >> Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all, 
                >> 
                >> First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well. Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
                >> 
                >> Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan, Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation, make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it? 
                >> 
                >> Best,
                >> Orsan 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                >> 
                >> Hi all,
                >> 
                >> Two points:
                >> 1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name, something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future globalsquare.net coincides with or complements the original.
                >> 
                >> The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy and concentric circles.
                >> 
                >> I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or our own perceived preferences.
                >> 
                >> Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the assistance of research universities with computer science departments and the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins, searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options. (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a structure.)
                >> 
                >> Synopsis: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/
                >> More from Cuba free software conference: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
                >> More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
                >> 
                >> Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable, stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
                >> Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again to a free database and trust network. Starts at beginning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international, victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist industry." 
                >> 
                >> All the best to you all,
                >> Heather
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
                >> I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
                >> 
                >> Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
                >> 
                >> I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
                >> 
                >> #solidarty
                >> 
                >> Vlad
                >> 
                >> 
                >> ----- Original Message -----
                >> From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
                >> To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                >> Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                >> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
                >> Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
                >> 
                >> Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
                >> Best, 
                >> Orsan 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen <jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
                >> 
                >> Hi all,
                >> 
                >> Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of 
                >> global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
                >> we want to do with it.
                >> 
                >> The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
                >> during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
                >> project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
                >> earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
                >> 
                >> I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
                >> in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
                >> use it.
                >> 
                >> Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
                >> saved it here anyway: 
                >> https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
                >> 
                >> 
                >> greetings jasper
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
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              • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

                from Alan Blanes on Dec 09, 2016 06:16 PM
                Sunday would be a good day to have a call - would this be done over mumble?
                There is a lawyer by the name of Alison who has expressed some interest in
                authentic UDHR legal clinics as part of the 17 SDGs. We are arranging for a
                call next week about this - so I would be very interested in what might be
                feasible through the WSF/Occupy partnership - Open FSM,  to get an
                international task force established.
                
                Alan
                
                On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                
                > Hi Orsan,
                >
                > I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right now
                > but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have some
                > warning.
                >
                > xox Heather
                >
                > On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
                >
                > Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists
                > actually.
                >
                > Very good idea on having a meetup.
                >
                > Vlad
                >
                >
                > ------------------------------
                > *From: *"Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...> <orsan1234@...>
                > *To: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-
                > discussion@...>
                > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                > *Cc: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-
                > discussion@...>
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                > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
                >
                > *Subject: *Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net
                > expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
                >
                > Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all,
                >
                > First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the
                > junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well.
                > Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
                >
                > Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan,
                > Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also
                > others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open
                > fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation,
                > make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks
                > of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and
                > brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square
                > ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it?
                >
                > Best,
                > Orsan
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                >
                > Hi all,
                >
                > Two points:
                >
                > 1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name,
                > something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future globalsquare.net
                > coincides with or complements the original.
                >
                > The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed
                > as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a
                > universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be
                > independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations
                > over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more
                > effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy
                > and concentric circles.
                >
                > I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just
                > now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would
                > trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most
                > importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find
                > verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or
                > our own perceived preferences.
                >
                > Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal
                > commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that
                > includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create
                > this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the
                > assistance of research universities with computer science departments and
                > the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins,
                > searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options.
                > (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to
                > anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a
                > structure.)
                >
                > Synopsis: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-
                > for-self-governance-part-1/
                >
                > More from Cuba free software conference: https://georgiebc.wordpress.
                > com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
                >
                > More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
                > Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable,
                > stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30:
                > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
                >
                > Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize
                > Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again
                > to a free database and trust network. Starts at beginning:
                > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
                >
                >
                > 2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is
                > working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two
                > international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage
                > and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits
                > against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental
                > law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international,
                > victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist
                > industry."
                >
                > All the best to you all,
                > Heather
                >
                >
                > On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
                >
                > I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.
                >
                > Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.
                >
                > I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.
                >
                > #solidarty
                >
                > Vlad
                >
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: "Orsan Senalp" < <orsan1234@...>orsan1234@...>
                > To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                > Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
                > Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
                >
                > Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so!
                > Best,
                > Orsan
                >
                >
                >
                > On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen < <jasperteunissen@...>jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
                >
                >
                > Hi all,
                >
                > Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what
                > we want to do with it.
                >
                > The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments
                > during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the
                > project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal
                > earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
                >
                > I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did
                > in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and
                > use it.
                >
                > Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I
                > saved it here anyway: https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
                >
                >
                > greetings jasper
                >
                >
                >
                >
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              • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

                from Alan Blanes on Dec 09, 2016 06:08 PM
                Sunday would be a good day to have a call - would this be done over mumble?
                There is a lawyer by the name of Alison who has expressed some interest in
                authentic UDHR legal clinics as part of the 17 SDGs. We are arranging for a
                call next week about this - so I would be very interested in what might be
                feasible through the WSF/Occupy partnership - Open FSM,  to get an
                international task force established.
                
                Alan
                
                On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                
                > Hi Orsan,
                >
                > I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right now
                > but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have some
                > warning.
                >
                > xox Heather
                >
                > On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
                >
                > Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists
                > actually.
                >
                > Very good idea on having a meetup.
                >
                > Vlad
                >
                >
                > ------------------------------
                > *From: *"Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...> <orsan1234@...>
                > *To: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-
                > discussion@...>
                > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                > *Cc: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-
                > discussion@...>
                > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
                >
                > *Subject: *Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net
                > expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
                >
                > Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all,
                >
                > First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the
                > junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well.
                > Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
                >
                > Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan,
                > Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also
                > others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open
                > fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation,
                > make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks
                > of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and
                > brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square
                > ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it?
                >
                > Best,
                > Orsan
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                >
                > Hi all,
                >
                > Two points:
                >
                > 1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name,
                > something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future globalsquare.net
                > coincides with or complements the original.
                >
                > The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed
                > as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a
                > universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be
                > independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations
                > over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more
                > effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy
                > and concentric circles.
                >
                > I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just
                > now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would
                > trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most
                > importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find
                > verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or
                > our own perceived preferences.
                >
                > Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal
                > commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that
                > includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create
                > this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the
                > assistance of research universities with computer science departments and
                > the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins,
                > searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options.
                > (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to
                > anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a
                > structure.)
                >
                > Synopsis: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-
                > for-self-governance-part-1/
                >
                > More from Cuba free software conference: https://georgiebc.wordpress.
                > com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
                >
                > More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
                > Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable,
                > stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30:
                > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
                >
                > Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize
                > Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again
                > to a free database and trust network. Starts at beginning:
                > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
                >
                >
                > 2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is
                > working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two
                > international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage
                > and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits
                > against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental
                > law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international,
                > victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist
                > industry."
                >
                > All the best to you all,
                > Heather
                >
                >
                > On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
                >
                > I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.
                >
                > Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.
                >
                > I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.
                >
                > #solidarty
                >
                > Vlad
                >
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: "Orsan Senalp" < <orsan1234@...>orsan1234@...>
                > To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                > Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
                > Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
                >
                > Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so!
                > Best,
                > Orsan
                >
                >
                >
                > On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen < <jasperteunissen@...>jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
                >
                >
                > Hi all,
                >
                > Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what
                > we want to do with it.
                >
                > The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments
                > during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the
                > project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal
                > earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
                >
                > I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did
                > in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and
                > use it.
                >
                > Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I
                > saved it here anyway: https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
                >
                >
                > greetings jasper
                >
                >
                >
                >
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              • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

                from Orsan Senalp on Dec 09, 2016 04:10 PM
                Should we fix time for coming sunday? If you can, I am in the netherlands; so an hour earlier then Spain, and can have room for relax talk (time wise) at late afternoon or evening. Look forwards!
                 
                
                
                On 8 dec. 2016, at 17:20, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                
                > Hi Orsan,
                > 
                > I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right now but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have some warning.
                > 
                > xox Heather
                > 
                > On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
                >> Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists actually.  
                >> 
                >> Very good idea on having a meetup. 
                >> 
                >> Vlad
                >> 
                >> 
                >> From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
                >> To: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                >> Cc: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                >> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
                >> Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
                >> 
                >> Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all, 
                >> 
                >> First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well. Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
                >> 
                >> Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan, Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation, make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it? 
                >> 
                >> Best,
                >> Orsan 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                >> 
                >> Hi all,
                >> 
                >> Two points:
                >> 1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name, something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future globalsquare.net coincides with or complements the original.
                >> 
                >> The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy and concentric circles.
                >> 
                >> I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or our own perceived preferences.
                >> 
                >> Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the assistance of research universities with computer science departments and the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins, searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options. (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a structure.)
                >> 
                >> Synopsis: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/
                >> More from Cuba free software conference: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
                >> More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
                >> 
                >> Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable, stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
                >> Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again to a free database and trust network. Starts at beginning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international, victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist industry." 
                >> 
                >> All the best to you all,
                >> Heather
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
                >> I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
                >> 
                >> Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
                >> 
                >> I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
                >> 
                >> #solidarty
                >> 
                >> Vlad
                >> 
                >> 
                >> ----- Original Message -----
                >> From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
                >> To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                >> Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                >> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
                >> Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
                >> 
                >> Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
                >> Best, 
                >> Orsan 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen <jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
                >> 
                >> Hi all,
                >> 
                >> Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of 
                >> global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
                >> we want to do with it.
                >> 
                >> The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
                >> during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
                >> project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
                >> earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
                >> 
                >> I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
                >> in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
                >> use it.
                >> 
                >> Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
                >> saved it here anyway: 
                >> https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
                >> 
                >> 
                >> greetings jasper
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
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          • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

            from Vlad T on Dec 08, 2016 04:37 PM
            Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked. i think its when i write to lists actually. 
            
            Very good idea on having a meetup. 
            
            Vlad 
            
            
            
            From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...> 
            To: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...> 
            Cc: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...> 
            Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM 
            Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it? 
            
            Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all, 
            
            First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well. Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well. 
            
            Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan, Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation, make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it? 
            
            Best, 
            Orsan 
            
            
            
            
            
            
            On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh < [ mailto:ttscanada@... | ttscanada@... ] > wrote: 
            
            
            
            
            
            
            Hi all, 
            
            Two points: 
            
            
            1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name, something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future [ http://globalsquare.net/ | globalsquare.net ] coincides with or complements the original. 
            
            The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy and concentric circles. 
            
            I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or our own perceived preferences. 
            
            Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the assistance of research universities with computer science departments and the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins, searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options. (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a structure.) 
            
            Synopsis: [ https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/ ] [ https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/ | https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/ ] 
            
            More from Cuba free software conference: [ https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/ ] [ https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/ | https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/ ] 
            
            More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid: Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable, stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30: [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE ] [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE ] 
            
            Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again to a free database and trust network. S tarts at beginning: [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU ] [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU ] 
            
            2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international, victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist industry." 
            
            
            
            All the best to you all, 
            Heather 
            
            
            On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote: 
            
            BQ_BEGIN
            
            I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
            
            Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
            
            I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
            
            #solidarty
            
            Vlad
            
            
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: "Orsan Senalp" [ mailto:orsan1234@... | < ] [ mailto:orsan1234@... | orsan1234@... ] >
            To: [ mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... ] [ mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... | 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... ] Cc: [ mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... ] [ mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... | 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... ] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
            Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] [ http://global-square.net/ | global-square.net ] expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
            
            Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
            Best, 
            Orsan 
            
            
            
            On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen [ mailto:jasperteunissen@... | < ] [ mailto:jasperteunissen@... | jasperteunissen@... ] > wrote: 
            
            BQ_BEGIN
            
            Hi all,
            
            Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of [ http://global-square.net/ | global-square.net ] website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
            we want to do with it.
            
            The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
            during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
            project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
            earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
            
            I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
            in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
            use it.
            
            Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
            saved it here anyway: [ https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net ] [ https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net | https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net ] greetings jasper
            
            
            
            
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            • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

              from Heather on Dec 08, 2016 04:57 PM
              Hi Orsan,
              
              I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right
              now but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have
              some warning.
              
              xox Heather
              
              
              On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
              > Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists
              > actually.  
              >
              > Very good idea on having a meetup. 
              >
              > Vlad
              >
              >
              > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
              > *From: *"Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
              > *To: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion"
              > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
              > *Cc: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion"
              > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
              > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
              > *Subject: *Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net
              > expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
              >
              > Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all, 
              >
              > First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at
              > the junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as
              > well. Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
              >
              > Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan,
              > Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world,
              > also others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections,
              > rising open fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the
              > wikileaks' situation, make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or
              > jitsi, just to take stacks of last 5 years, exchange about what we
              > have been doing last years, and brain storm of possible ways and means
              > for a renewal of global square ideas. In a relax and flexable way..
              > What would you think about it? 
              >
              > Best,
              > Orsan 
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...
              > <mailto:ttscanada@...>> wrote:
              >
              >     Hi all,
              >
              >     Two points:
              >
              >     1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square
              >     name, something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future
              >     globalsquare.net <http://globalsquare.net> coincides with or
              >     complements the original.
              >
              >     The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are
              >     designed as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created
              >     information, with a universal database and trust network. This
              >     would allow collaboration to be independent of software platforms
              >     and remove the control of corporations over user created data and
              >     relationships. It would also allow more effective methods of mass
              >     communication and collaboration such as stigmergy and concentric
              >     circles.
              >
              >     I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is
              >     just now that the technology has reached a point that it is
              >     viable. This would trigger a revolution in the way we work in so
              >     many fields but most importantly in allowing us to filter the
              >     noise of the Internet and find verified and knowledgeable
              >     information that is not filtered by platform or our own perceived
              >     preferences.
              >
              >     Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a
              >     universal commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation
              >     or trust that includes universities from different countries. The
              >     initial code to create this project is very simple but optimizing
              >     it is not! It would require the assistance of research
              >     universities with computer science departments and the resources
              >     to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins, searches
              >     and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options.
              >     (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my
              >     contact, to anyone you know who might be interested in
              >     collaborating in such a structure.)
              >
              >     Synopsis:
              >     https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/
              >
              >     More from Cuba free software conference:
              >     https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
              >
              >     More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
              >
              >     Methods of collaboration that this database structure would
              >     enable, stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30:
              >     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
              >
              >     Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to
              >     popularize Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can
              >     be used to move again to a free database and trust network. Starts
              >     at beginning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
              >
              >
              >
              >     2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if
              >     anyone is working on such a thing please consider collaborating
              >     with two international initiatives, opCanary which has the
              >     objective to "encourage and support people around the world to
              >     bring global class action law suits against resource corporations
              >     which violate human rights and environmental law" and
              >     opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international,
              >     victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and
              >     pedosadist industry."
              >
              >     All the best to you all,
              >
              >     Heather
              >
              >
              >     On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
              >
              >         I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
              >
              >         Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
              >
              >         I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
              >
              >         #solidarty
              >
              >         Vlad
              >
              >
              >         ----- Original Message -----
              >         From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@... <mailto:orsan1234@...>>
              >         To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
              >         <mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
              >         Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
              >         <mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
              >         Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
              >         Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net <http://global-square.net> expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
              >
              >         Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
              >         Best, 
              >         Orsan 
              >
              >
              >
              >         On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen <jasperteunissen@... <mailto:jasperteunissen@...>> wrote:
              >
              >             Hi all,
              >
              >             Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of 
              >             global-square.net <http://global-square.net> website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
              >             we want to do with it.
              >
              >             The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
              >             during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
              >             project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
              >             earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
              >
              >             I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
              >             in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
              >             use it.
              >
              >             Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
              >             saved it here anyway: 
              >             https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
              >
              >
              >             greetings jasper
              >
              >
              >
              >
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              • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

                from Orsan Senalp on Dec 09, 2016 04:16 PM
                Should we fix time for coming sunday? If you can, I am in the netherlands; so an hour earlier then Spain, and can have room for relax talk (time wise) at late afternoon or evening. Look forwards!
                 
                
                
                On 8 dec. 2016, at 17:20, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                
                > Hi Orsan,
                > 
                > I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right now but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have some warning.
                > 
                > xox Heather
                > 
                > On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
                >> Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists actually.  
                >> 
                >> Very good idea on having a meetup. 
                >> 
                >> Vlad
                >> 
                >> 
                >> From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
                >> To: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                >> Cc: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                >> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
                >> Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
                >> 
                >> Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all, 
                >> 
                >> First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well. Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
                >> 
                >> Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan, Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation, make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it? 
                >> 
                >> Best,
                >> Orsan 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                >> 
                >> Hi all,
                >> 
                >> Two points:
                >> 1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name, something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future globalsquare.net coincides with or complements the original.
                >> 
                >> The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy and concentric circles.
                >> 
                >> I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or our own perceived preferences.
                >> 
                >> Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the assistance of research universities with computer science departments and the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins, searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options. (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a structure.)
                >> 
                >> Synopsis: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/
                >> More from Cuba free software conference: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
                >> More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
                >> 
                >> Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable, stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
                >> Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again to a free database and trust network. Starts at beginning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international, victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist industry." 
                >> 
                >> All the best to you all,
                >> Heather
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
                >> I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
                >> 
                >> Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
                >> 
                >> I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
                >> 
                >> #solidarty
                >> 
                >> Vlad
                >> 
                >> 
                >> ----- Original Message -----
                >> From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
                >> To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                >> Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                >> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
                >> Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
                >> 
                >> Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
                >> Best, 
                >> Orsan 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen <jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
                >> 
                >> Hi all,
                >> 
                >> Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of 
                >> global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
                >> we want to do with it.
                >> 
                >> The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
                >> during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
                >> project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
                >> earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
                >> 
                >> I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
                >> in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
                >> use it.
                >> 
                >> Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
                >> saved it here anyway: 
                >> https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
                >> 
                >> 
                >> greetings jasper
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
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              • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

                from Alan Blanes on Dec 09, 2016 06:16 PM
                Sunday would be a good day to have a call - would this be done over mumble?
                There is a lawyer by the name of Alison who has expressed some interest in
                authentic UDHR legal clinics as part of the 17 SDGs. We are arranging for a
                call next week about this - so I would be very interested in what might be
                feasible through the WSF/Occupy partnership - Open FSM,  to get an
                international task force established.
                
                Alan
                
                On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                
                > Hi Orsan,
                >
                > I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right now
                > but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have some
                > warning.
                >
                > xox Heather
                >
                > On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
                >
                > Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists
                > actually.
                >
                > Very good idea on having a meetup.
                >
                > Vlad
                >
                >
                > ------------------------------
                > *From: *"Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...> <orsan1234@...>
                > *To: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-
                > discussion@...>
                > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                > *Cc: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-
                > discussion@...>
                > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
                >
                > *Subject: *Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net
                > expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
                >
                > Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all,
                >
                > First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the
                > junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well.
                > Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
                >
                > Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan,
                > Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also
                > others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open
                > fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation,
                > make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks
                > of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and
                > brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square
                > ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it?
                >
                > Best,
                > Orsan
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                >
                > Hi all,
                >
                > Two points:
                >
                > 1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name,
                > something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future globalsquare.net
                > coincides with or complements the original.
                >
                > The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed
                > as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a
                > universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be
                > independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations
                > over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more
                > effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy
                > and concentric circles.
                >
                > I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just
                > now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would
                > trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most
                > importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find
                > verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or
                > our own perceived preferences.
                >
                > Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal
                > commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that
                > includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create
                > this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the
                > assistance of research universities with computer science departments and
                > the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins,
                > searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options.
                > (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to
                > anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a
                > structure.)
                >
                > Synopsis: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-
                > for-self-governance-part-1/
                >
                > More from Cuba free software conference: https://georgiebc.wordpress.
                > com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
                >
                > More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
                > Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable,
                > stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30:
                > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
                >
                > Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize
                > Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again
                > to a free database and trust network. Starts at beginning:
                > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
                >
                >
                > 2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is
                > working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two
                > international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage
                > and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits
                > against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental
                > law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international,
                > victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist
                > industry."
                >
                > All the best to you all,
                > Heather
                >
                >
                > On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
                >
                > I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.
                >
                > Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.
                >
                > I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.
                >
                > #solidarty
                >
                > Vlad
                >
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: "Orsan Senalp" < <orsan1234@...>orsan1234@...>
                > To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                > Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
                > Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
                >
                > Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so!
                > Best,
                > Orsan
                >
                >
                >
                > On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen < <jasperteunissen@...>jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
                >
                >
                > Hi all,
                >
                > Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what
                > we want to do with it.
                >
                > The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments
                > during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the
                > project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal
                > earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
                >
                > I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did
                > in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and
                > use it.
                >
                > Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I
                > saved it here anyway: https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
                >
                >
                > greetings jasper
                >
                >
                >
                >
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              • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

                from Alan Blanes on Dec 09, 2016 06:08 PM
                Sunday would be a good day to have a call - would this be done over mumble?
                There is a lawyer by the name of Alison who has expressed some interest in
                authentic UDHR legal clinics as part of the 17 SDGs. We are arranging for a
                call next week about this - so I would be very interested in what might be
                feasible through the WSF/Occupy partnership - Open FSM,  to get an
                international task force established.
                
                Alan
                
                On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                
                > Hi Orsan,
                >
                > I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right now
                > but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have some
                > warning.
                >
                > xox Heather
                >
                > On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
                >
                > Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists
                > actually.
                >
                > Very good idea on having a meetup.
                >
                > Vlad
                >
                >
                > ------------------------------
                > *From: *"Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...> <orsan1234@...>
                > *To: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-
                > discussion@...>
                > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                > *Cc: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-
                > discussion@...>
                > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
                >
                > *Subject: *Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net
                > expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
                >
                > Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all,
                >
                > First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the
                > junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well.
                > Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
                >
                > Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan,
                > Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also
                > others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open
                > fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation,
                > make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks
                > of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and
                > brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square
                > ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it?
                >
                > Best,
                > Orsan
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                >
                > Hi all,
                >
                > Two points:
                >
                > 1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name,
                > something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future globalsquare.net
                > coincides with or complements the original.
                >
                > The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed
                > as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a
                > universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be
                > independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations
                > over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more
                > effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy
                > and concentric circles.
                >
                > I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just
                > now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would
                > trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most
                > importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find
                > verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or
                > our own perceived preferences.
                >
                > Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal
                > commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that
                > includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create
                > this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the
                > assistance of research universities with computer science departments and
                > the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins,
                > searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options.
                > (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to
                > anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a
                > structure.)
                >
                > Synopsis: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-
                > for-self-governance-part-1/
                >
                > More from Cuba free software conference: https://georgiebc.wordpress.
                > com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
                >
                > More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
                > Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable,
                > stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30:
                > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
                >
                > Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize
                > Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again
                > to a free database and trust network. Starts at beginning:
                > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
                >
                >
                > 2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is
                > working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two
                > international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage
                > and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits
                > against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental
                > law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international,
                > victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist
                > industry."
                >
                > All the best to you all,
                > Heather
                >
                >
                > On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
                >
                > I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.
                >
                > Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.
                >
                > I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.
                >
                > #solidarty
                >
                > Vlad
                >
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: "Orsan Senalp" < <orsan1234@...>orsan1234@...>
                > To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                > Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
                > Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
                >
                > Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so!
                > Best,
                > Orsan
                >
                >
                >
                > On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen < <jasperteunissen@...>jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
                >
                >
                > Hi all,
                >
                > Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what
                > we want to do with it.
                >
                > The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments
                > during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the
                > project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal
                > earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
                >
                > I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did
                > in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and
                > use it.
                >
                > Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I
                > saved it here anyway: https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
                >
                >
                > greetings jasper
                >
                >
                >
                >
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              • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

                from Orsan Senalp on Dec 09, 2016 04:10 PM
                Should we fix time for coming sunday? If you can, I am in the netherlands; so an hour earlier then Spain, and can have room for relax talk (time wise) at late afternoon or evening. Look forwards!
                 
                
                
                On 8 dec. 2016, at 17:20, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                
                > Hi Orsan,
                > 
                > I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right now but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have some warning.
                > 
                > xox Heather
                > 
                > On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
                >> Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists actually.  
                >> 
                >> Very good idea on having a meetup. 
                >> 
                >> Vlad
                >> 
                >> 
                >> From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
                >> To: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                >> Cc: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                >> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
                >> Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
                >> 
                >> Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all, 
                >> 
                >> First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well. Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
                >> 
                >> Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan, Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation, make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it? 
                >> 
                >> Best,
                >> Orsan 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                >> 
                >> Hi all,
                >> 
                >> Two points:
                >> 1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name, something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future globalsquare.net coincides with or complements the original.
                >> 
                >> The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy and concentric circles.
                >> 
                >> I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or our own perceived preferences.
                >> 
                >> Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the assistance of research universities with computer science departments and the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins, searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options. (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a structure.)
                >> 
                >> Synopsis: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/
                >> More from Cuba free software conference: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
                >> More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
                >> 
                >> Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable, stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
                >> Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again to a free database and trust network. Starts at beginning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international, victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist industry." 
                >> 
                >> All the best to you all,
                >> Heather
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
                >> I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
                >> 
                >> Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
                >> 
                >> I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
                >> 
                >> #solidarty
                >> 
                >> Vlad
                >> 
                >> 
                >> ----- Original Message -----
                >> From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
                >> To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                >> Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                >> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
                >> Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
                >> 
                >> Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
                >> Best, 
                >> Orsan 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen <jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
                >> 
                >> Hi all,
                >> 
                >> Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of 
                >> global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
                >> we want to do with it.
                >> 
                >> The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
                >> during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
                >> project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
                >> earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
                >> 
                >> I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
                >> in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
                >> use it.
                >> 
                >> Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
                >> saved it here anyway: 
                >> https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
                >> 
                >> 
                >> greetings jasper
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
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        • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

          from Orsan Senalp on Dec 07, 2016 07:46 PM
          Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all, 
          
          First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well. Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
          
          Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan, Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation, make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it? 
          
          Best,
          Orsan 
          
          
          
          
          
          
          On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
          
          > Hi all,
          > 
          > Two points:
          > 1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name, something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future globalsquare.net coincides with or complements the original.
          > 
          > The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy and concentric circles.
          > 
          > I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or our own perceived preferences.
          > 
          > Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the assistance of research universities with computer science departments and the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins, searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options. (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a structure.)
          > 
          > Synopsis: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/
          > More from Cuba free software conference: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
          > More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
          > 
          > Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable, stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
          > Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize Facebook and how concentric circles             and stigmergy can be used to move again to a free database and trust network. Starts at beginning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
          > 
          > 
          > 2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage and support people around the world to bring global class     action law suits against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international, victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist industry." 
          > 
          > All the best to you all,
          > Heather
          > 
          > 
          > On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
          >> I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
          >> 
          >> Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
          >> 
          >> I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
          >> 
          >> #solidarty
          >> 
          >> Vlad
          >> 
          >> 
          >> ----- Original Message -----
          >> From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
          >> To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
          >> Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
          >> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
          >> Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
          >> 
          >> Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
          >> Best, 
          >> Orsan 
          >> 
          >> 
          >> 
          >> On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen <jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
          >> 
          >>> Hi all,
          >>> 
          >>> Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of 
          >>> global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
          >>> we want to do with it.
          >>> 
          >>> The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
          >>> during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
          >>> project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
          >>> earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
          >>> 
          >>> I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
          >>> in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
          >>> use it.
          >>> 
          >>> Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
          >>> saved it here anyway: 
          >>> https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
          >>> 
          >>> 
          >>> greetings jasper
          >>> 
          >>> 
          >>> 
          >>> 
          >>> --
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          • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

            from Vlad T on Dec 08, 2016 05:22 PM
            Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked. i think its when i write to lists actually. 
            
            Very good idea on having a meetup. 
            
            Vlad 
            
            
            
            From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...> 
            To: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...> 
            Cc: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...> 
            Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM 
            Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it? 
            
            Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all, 
            
            First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well. Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well. 
            
            Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan, Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation, make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it? 
            
            Best, 
            Orsan 
            
            
            
            
            
            
            On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh < [ mailto:ttscanada@... | ttscanada@... ] > wrote: 
            
            
            
            
            
            
            Hi all, 
            
            Two points: 
            
            
            1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name, something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future [ http://globalsquare.net/ | globalsquare.net ] coincides with or complements the original. 
            
            The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy and concentric circles. 
            
            I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or our own perceived preferences. 
            
            Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the assistance of research universities with computer science departments and the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins, searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options. (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a structure.) 
            
            Synopsis: [ https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/ ] [ https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/ | https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/ ] 
            
            More from Cuba free software conference: [ https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/ ] [ https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/ | https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/ ] 
            
            More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid: Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable, stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30: [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE ] [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE ] 
            
            Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again to a free database and trust network. S tarts at beginning: [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU ] [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU ] 
            
            2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international, victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist industry." 
            
            
            
            All the best to you all, 
            Heather 
            
            
            On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote: 
            
            BQ_BEGIN
            
            I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
            
            Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
            
            I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
            
            #solidarty
            
            Vlad
            
            
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: "Orsan Senalp" [ mailto:orsan1234@... | < ] [ mailto:orsan1234@... | orsan1234@... ] >
            To: [ mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... ] [ mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... | 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... ] Cc: [ mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... ] [ mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... | 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... ] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
            Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] [ http://global-square.net/ | global-square.net ] expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
            
            Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
            Best, 
            Orsan 
            
            
            
            On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen [ mailto:jasperteunissen@... | < ] [ mailto:jasperteunissen@... | jasperteunissen@... ] > wrote: 
            
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            Hi all,
            
            Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of [ http://global-square.net/ | global-square.net ] website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
            we want to do with it.
            
            The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
            during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
            project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
            earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
            
            I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
            in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
            use it.
            
            Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
            saved it here anyway: [ https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net ] [ https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net | https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net ] greetings jasper
            
            
            
            
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            • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

              from Heather on Dec 08, 2016 04:57 PM
              Hi Orsan,
              
              I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right
              now but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have
              some warning.
              
              xox Heather
              
              
              On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
              > Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists
              > actually.  
              >
              > Very good idea on having a meetup. 
              >
              > Vlad
              >
              >
              > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
              > *From: *"Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
              > *To: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion"
              > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
              > *Cc: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion"
              > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
              > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
              > *Subject: *Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net
              > expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
              >
              > Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all, 
              >
              > First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at
              > the junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as
              > well. Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
              >
              > Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan,
              > Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world,
              > also others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections,
              > rising open fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the
              > wikileaks' situation, make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or
              > jitsi, just to take stacks of last 5 years, exchange about what we
              > have been doing last years, and brain storm of possible ways and means
              > for a renewal of global square ideas. In a relax and flexable way..
              > What would you think about it? 
              >
              > Best,
              > Orsan 
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...
              > <mailto:ttscanada@...>> wrote:
              >
              >     Hi all,
              >
              >     Two points:
              >
              >     1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square
              >     name, something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future
              >     globalsquare.net <http://globalsquare.net> coincides with or
              >     complements the original.
              >
              >     The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are
              >     designed as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created
              >     information, with a universal database and trust network. This
              >     would allow collaboration to be independent of software platforms
              >     and remove the control of corporations over user created data and
              >     relationships. It would also allow more effective methods of mass
              >     communication and collaboration such as stigmergy and concentric
              >     circles.
              >
              >     I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is
              >     just now that the technology has reached a point that it is
              >     viable. This would trigger a revolution in the way we work in so
              >     many fields but most importantly in allowing us to filter the
              >     noise of the Internet and find verified and knowledgeable
              >     information that is not filtered by platform or our own perceived
              >     preferences.
              >
              >     Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a
              >     universal commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation
              >     or trust that includes universities from different countries. The
              >     initial code to create this project is very simple but optimizing
              >     it is not! It would require the assistance of research
              >     universities with computer science departments and the resources
              >     to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins, searches
              >     and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options.
              >     (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my
              >     contact, to anyone you know who might be interested in
              >     collaborating in such a structure.)
              >
              >     Synopsis:
              >     https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/
              >
              >     More from Cuba free software conference:
              >     https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
              >
              >     More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
              >
              >     Methods of collaboration that this database structure would
              >     enable, stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30:
              >     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
              >
              >     Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to
              >     popularize Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can
              >     be used to move again to a free database and trust network. Starts
              >     at beginning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
              >
              >
              >
              >     2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if
              >     anyone is working on such a thing please consider collaborating
              >     with two international initiatives, opCanary which has the
              >     objective to "encourage and support people around the world to
              >     bring global class action law suits against resource corporations
              >     which violate human rights and environmental law" and
              >     opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international,
              >     victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and
              >     pedosadist industry."
              >
              >     All the best to you all,
              >
              >     Heather
              >
              >
              >     On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
              >
              >         I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
              >
              >         Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
              >
              >         I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
              >
              >         #solidarty
              >
              >         Vlad
              >
              >
              >         ----- Original Message -----
              >         From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@... <mailto:orsan1234@...>>
              >         To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
              >         <mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
              >         Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
              >         <mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
              >         Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
              >         Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net <http://global-square.net> expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
              >
              >         Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
              >         Best, 
              >         Orsan 
              >
              >
              >
              >         On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen <jasperteunissen@... <mailto:jasperteunissen@...>> wrote:
              >
              >             Hi all,
              >
              >             Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of 
              >             global-square.net <http://global-square.net> website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
              >             we want to do with it.
              >
              >             The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
              >             during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
              >             project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
              >             earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
              >
              >             I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
              >             in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
              >             use it.
              >
              >             Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
              >             saved it here anyway: 
              >             https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
              >
              >
              >             greetings jasper
              >
              >
              >
              >
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              • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

                from Orsan Senalp on Dec 09, 2016 04:16 PM
                Should we fix time for coming sunday? If you can, I am in the netherlands; so an hour earlier then Spain, and can have room for relax talk (time wise) at late afternoon or evening. Look forwards!
                 
                
                
                On 8 dec. 2016, at 17:20, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                
                > Hi Orsan,
                > 
                > I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right now but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have some warning.
                > 
                > xox Heather
                > 
                > On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
                >> Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists actually.  
                >> 
                >> Very good idea on having a meetup. 
                >> 
                >> Vlad
                >> 
                >> 
                >> From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
                >> To: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                >> Cc: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                >> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
                >> Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
                >> 
                >> Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all, 
                >> 
                >> First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well. Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
                >> 
                >> Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan, Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation, make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it? 
                >> 
                >> Best,
                >> Orsan 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                >> 
                >> Hi all,
                >> 
                >> Two points:
                >> 1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name, something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future globalsquare.net coincides with or complements the original.
                >> 
                >> The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy and concentric circles.
                >> 
                >> I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or our own perceived preferences.
                >> 
                >> Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the assistance of research universities with computer science departments and the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins, searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options. (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a structure.)
                >> 
                >> Synopsis: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/
                >> More from Cuba free software conference: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
                >> More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
                >> 
                >> Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable, stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
                >> Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again to a free database and trust network. Starts at beginning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international, victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist industry." 
                >> 
                >> All the best to you all,
                >> Heather
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
                >> I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
                >> 
                >> Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
                >> 
                >> I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
                >> 
                >> #solidarty
                >> 
                >> Vlad
                >> 
                >> 
                >> ----- Original Message -----
                >> From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
                >> To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                >> Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                >> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
                >> Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
                >> 
                >> Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
                >> Best, 
                >> Orsan 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen <jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
                >> 
                >> Hi all,
                >> 
                >> Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of 
                >> global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
                >> we want to do with it.
                >> 
                >> The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
                >> during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
                >> project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
                >> earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
                >> 
                >> I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
                >> in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
                >> use it.
                >> 
                >> Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
                >> saved it here anyway: 
                >> https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
                >> 
                >> 
                >> greetings jasper
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
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              • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

                from Alan Blanes on Dec 09, 2016 06:16 PM
                Sunday would be a good day to have a call - would this be done over mumble?
                There is a lawyer by the name of Alison who has expressed some interest in
                authentic UDHR legal clinics as part of the 17 SDGs. We are arranging for a
                call next week about this - so I would be very interested in what might be
                feasible through the WSF/Occupy partnership - Open FSM,  to get an
                international task force established.
                
                Alan
                
                On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                
                > Hi Orsan,
                >
                > I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right now
                > but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have some
                > warning.
                >
                > xox Heather
                >
                > On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
                >
                > Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists
                > actually.
                >
                > Very good idea on having a meetup.
                >
                > Vlad
                >
                >
                > ------------------------------
                > *From: *"Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...> <orsan1234@...>
                > *To: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-
                > discussion@...>
                > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                > *Cc: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-
                > discussion@...>
                > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
                >
                > *Subject: *Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net
                > expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
                >
                > Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all,
                >
                > First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the
                > junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well.
                > Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
                >
                > Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan,
                > Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also
                > others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open
                > fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation,
                > make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks
                > of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and
                > brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square
                > ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it?
                >
                > Best,
                > Orsan
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                >
                > Hi all,
                >
                > Two points:
                >
                > 1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name,
                > something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future globalsquare.net
                > coincides with or complements the original.
                >
                > The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed
                > as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a
                > universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be
                > independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations
                > over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more
                > effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy
                > and concentric circles.
                >
                > I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just
                > now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would
                > trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most
                > importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find
                > verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or
                > our own perceived preferences.
                >
                > Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal
                > commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that
                > includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create
                > this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the
                > assistance of research universities with computer science departments and
                > the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins,
                > searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options.
                > (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to
                > anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a
                > structure.)
                >
                > Synopsis: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-
                > for-self-governance-part-1/
                >
                > More from Cuba free software conference: https://georgiebc.wordpress.
                > com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
                >
                > More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
                > Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable,
                > stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30:
                > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
                >
                > Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize
                > Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again
                > to a free database and trust network. Starts at beginning:
                > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
                >
                >
                > 2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is
                > working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two
                > international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage
                > and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits
                > against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental
                > law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international,
                > victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist
                > industry."
                >
                > All the best to you all,
                > Heather
                >
                >
                > On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
                >
                > I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.
                >
                > Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.
                >
                > I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.
                >
                > #solidarty
                >
                > Vlad
                >
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: "Orsan Senalp" < <orsan1234@...>orsan1234@...>
                > To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                > Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
                > Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
                >
                > Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so!
                > Best,
                > Orsan
                >
                >
                >
                > On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen < <jasperteunissen@...>jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
                >
                >
                > Hi all,
                >
                > Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what
                > we want to do with it.
                >
                > The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments
                > during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the
                > project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal
                > earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
                >
                > I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did
                > in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and
                > use it.
                >
                > Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I
                > saved it here anyway: https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
                >
                >
                > greetings jasper
                >
                >
                >
                >
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              • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

                from Alan Blanes on Dec 09, 2016 06:08 PM
                Sunday would be a good day to have a call - would this be done over mumble?
                There is a lawyer by the name of Alison who has expressed some interest in
                authentic UDHR legal clinics as part of the 17 SDGs. We are arranging for a
                call next week about this - so I would be very interested in what might be
                feasible through the WSF/Occupy partnership - Open FSM,  to get an
                international task force established.
                
                Alan
                
                On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                
                > Hi Orsan,
                >
                > I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right now
                > but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have some
                > warning.
                >
                > xox Heather
                >
                > On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
                >
                > Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists
                > actually.
                >
                > Very good idea on having a meetup.
                >
                > Vlad
                >
                >
                > ------------------------------
                > *From: *"Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...> <orsan1234@...>
                > *To: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-
                > discussion@...>
                > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                > *Cc: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-
                > discussion@...>
                > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
                >
                > *Subject: *Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net
                > expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
                >
                > Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all,
                >
                > First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the
                > junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well.
                > Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
                >
                > Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan,
                > Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also
                > others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open
                > fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation,
                > make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks
                > of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and
                > brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square
                > ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it?
                >
                > Best,
                > Orsan
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                >
                > Hi all,
                >
                > Two points:
                >
                > 1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name,
                > something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future globalsquare.net
                > coincides with or complements the original.
                >
                > The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed
                > as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a
                > universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be
                > independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations
                > over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more
                > effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy
                > and concentric circles.
                >
                > I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just
                > now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would
                > trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most
                > importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find
                > verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or
                > our own perceived preferences.
                >
                > Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal
                > commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that
                > includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create
                > this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the
                > assistance of research universities with computer science departments and
                > the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins,
                > searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options.
                > (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to
                > anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a
                > structure.)
                >
                > Synopsis: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-
                > for-self-governance-part-1/
                >
                > More from Cuba free software conference: https://georgiebc.wordpress.
                > com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
                >
                > More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
                > Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable,
                > stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30:
                > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
                >
                > Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize
                > Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again
                > to a free database and trust network. Starts at beginning:
                > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
                >
                >
                > 2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is
                > working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two
                > international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage
                > and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits
                > against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental
                > law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international,
                > victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist
                > industry."
                >
                > All the best to you all,
                > Heather
                >
                >
                > On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
                >
                > I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.
                >
                > Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.
                >
                > I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.
                >
                > #solidarty
                >
                > Vlad
                >
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: "Orsan Senalp" < <orsan1234@...>orsan1234@...>
                > To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                > Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
                > Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
                >
                > Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so!
                > Best,
                > Orsan
                >
                >
                >
                > On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen < <jasperteunissen@...>jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
                >
                >
                > Hi all,
                >
                > Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what
                > we want to do with it.
                >
                > The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments
                > during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the
                > project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal
                > earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
                >
                > I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did
                > in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and
                > use it.
                >
                > Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I
                > saved it here anyway: https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
                >
                >
                > greetings jasper
                >
                >
                >
                >
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              • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

                from Orsan Senalp on Dec 09, 2016 04:10 PM
                Should we fix time for coming sunday? If you can, I am in the netherlands; so an hour earlier then Spain, and can have room for relax talk (time wise) at late afternoon or evening. Look forwards!
                 
                
                
                On 8 dec. 2016, at 17:20, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                
                > Hi Orsan,
                > 
                > I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right now but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have some warning.
                > 
                > xox Heather
                > 
                > On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
                >> Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists actually.  
                >> 
                >> Very good idea on having a meetup. 
                >> 
                >> Vlad
                >> 
                >> 
                >> From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
                >> To: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                >> Cc: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                >> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
                >> Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
                >> 
                >> Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all, 
                >> 
                >> First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well. Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
                >> 
                >> Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan, Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation, make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it? 
                >> 
                >> Best,
                >> Orsan 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                >> 
                >> Hi all,
                >> 
                >> Two points:
                >> 1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name, something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future globalsquare.net coincides with or complements the original.
                >> 
                >> The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy and concentric circles.
                >> 
                >> I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or our own perceived preferences.
                >> 
                >> Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the assistance of research universities with computer science departments and the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins, searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options. (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a structure.)
                >> 
                >> Synopsis: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/
                >> More from Cuba free software conference: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
                >> More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
                >> 
                >> Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable, stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
                >> Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again to a free database and trust network. Starts at beginning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international, victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist industry." 
                >> 
                >> All the best to you all,
                >> Heather
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
                >> I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
                >> 
                >> Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
                >> 
                >> I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
                >> 
                >> #solidarty
                >> 
                >> Vlad
                >> 
                >> 
                >> ----- Original Message -----
                >> From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
                >> To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                >> Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                >> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
                >> Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
                >> 
                >> Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
                >> Best, 
                >> Orsan 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen <jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
                >> 
                >> Hi all,
                >> 
                >> Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of 
                >> global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
                >> we want to do with it.
                >> 
                >> The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
                >> during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
                >> project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
                >> earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
                >> 
                >> I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
                >> in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
                >> use it.
                >> 
                >> Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
                >> saved it here anyway: 
                >> https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
                >> 
                >> 
                >> greetings jasper
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
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          • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

            from Vlad T on Dec 08, 2016 04:26 PM
            Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked. i think its when i write to lists actually. 
            
            Very good idea on having a meetup. 
            
            Vlad 
            
            
            
            From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...> 
            To: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...> 
            Cc: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...> 
            Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM 
            Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it? 
            
            Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all, 
            
            First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well. Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well. 
            
            Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan, Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation, make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it? 
            
            Best, 
            Orsan 
            
            
            
            
            
            
            On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh < [ mailto:ttscanada@... | ttscanada@... ] > wrote: 
            
            
            
            
            
            
            Hi all, 
            
            Two points: 
            
            
            1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name, something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future [ http://globalsquare.net/ | globalsquare.net ] coincides with or complements the original. 
            
            The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy and concentric circles. 
            
            I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or our own perceived preferences. 
            
            Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the assistance of research universities with computer science departments and the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins, searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options. (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a structure.) 
            
            Synopsis: [ https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/ ] [ https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/ | https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/ ] 
            
            More from Cuba free software conference: [ https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/ ] [ https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/ | https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/ ] 
            
            More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid: Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable, stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30: [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE ] [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE ] 
            
            Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again to a free database and trust network. S tarts at beginning: [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU ] [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU ] 
            
            2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international, victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist industry." 
            
            
            
            All the best to you all, 
            Heather 
            
            
            On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote: 
            
            BQ_BEGIN
            
            I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
            
            Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
            
            I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
            
            #solidarty
            
            Vlad
            
            
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: "Orsan Senalp" [ mailto:orsan1234@... | < ] [ mailto:orsan1234@... | orsan1234@... ] >
            To: [ mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... ] [ mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... | 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... ] Cc: [ mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... ] [ mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... | 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@... ] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
            Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] [ http://global-square.net/ | global-square.net ] expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
            
            Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
            Best, 
            Orsan 
            
            
            
            On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen [ mailto:jasperteunissen@... | < ] [ mailto:jasperteunissen@... | jasperteunissen@... ] > wrote: 
            
            BQ_BEGIN
            
            Hi all,
            
            Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of [ http://global-square.net/ | global-square.net ] website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
            we want to do with it.
            
            The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
            during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
            project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
            earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
            
            I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
            in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
            use it.
            
            Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
            saved it here anyway: [ https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net ] [ https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net | https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net ] greetings jasper
            
            
            
            
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            • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

              from Heather on Dec 08, 2016 04:57 PM
              Hi Orsan,
              
              I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right
              now but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have
              some warning.
              
              xox Heather
              
              
              On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
              > Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists
              > actually.  
              >
              > Very good idea on having a meetup. 
              >
              > Vlad
              >
              >
              > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
              > *From: *"Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
              > *To: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion"
              > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
              > *Cc: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion"
              > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
              > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
              > *Subject: *Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net
              > expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
              >
              > Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all, 
              >
              > First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at
              > the junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as
              > well. Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
              >
              > Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan,
              > Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world,
              > also others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections,
              > rising open fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the
              > wikileaks' situation, make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or
              > jitsi, just to take stacks of last 5 years, exchange about what we
              > have been doing last years, and brain storm of possible ways and means
              > for a renewal of global square ideas. In a relax and flexable way..
              > What would you think about it? 
              >
              > Best,
              > Orsan 
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...
              > <mailto:ttscanada@...>> wrote:
              >
              >     Hi all,
              >
              >     Two points:
              >
              >     1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square
              >     name, something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future
              >     globalsquare.net <http://globalsquare.net> coincides with or
              >     complements the original.
              >
              >     The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are
              >     designed as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created
              >     information, with a universal database and trust network. This
              >     would allow collaboration to be independent of software platforms
              >     and remove the control of corporations over user created data and
              >     relationships. It would also allow more effective methods of mass
              >     communication and collaboration such as stigmergy and concentric
              >     circles.
              >
              >     I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is
              >     just now that the technology has reached a point that it is
              >     viable. This would trigger a revolution in the way we work in so
              >     many fields but most importantly in allowing us to filter the
              >     noise of the Internet and find verified and knowledgeable
              >     information that is not filtered by platform or our own perceived
              >     preferences.
              >
              >     Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a
              >     universal commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation
              >     or trust that includes universities from different countries. The
              >     initial code to create this project is very simple but optimizing
              >     it is not! It would require the assistance of research
              >     universities with computer science departments and the resources
              >     to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins, searches
              >     and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options.
              >     (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my
              >     contact, to anyone you know who might be interested in
              >     collaborating in such a structure.)
              >
              >     Synopsis:
              >     https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/
              >
              >     More from Cuba free software conference:
              >     https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
              >
              >     More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
              >
              >     Methods of collaboration that this database structure would
              >     enable, stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30:
              >     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
              >
              >     Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to
              >     popularize Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can
              >     be used to move again to a free database and trust network. Starts
              >     at beginning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
              >
              >
              >
              >     2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if
              >     anyone is working on such a thing please consider collaborating
              >     with two international initiatives, opCanary which has the
              >     objective to "encourage and support people around the world to
              >     bring global class action law suits against resource corporations
              >     which violate human rights and environmental law" and
              >     opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international,
              >     victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and
              >     pedosadist industry."
              >
              >     All the best to you all,
              >
              >     Heather
              >
              >
              >     On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
              >
              >         I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
              >
              >         Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
              >
              >         I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
              >
              >         #solidarty
              >
              >         Vlad
              >
              >
              >         ----- Original Message -----
              >         From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@... <mailto:orsan1234@...>>
              >         To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
              >         <mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
              >         Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
              >         <mailto:2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
              >         Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
              >         Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net <http://global-square.net> expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
              >
              >         Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
              >         Best, 
              >         Orsan 
              >
              >
              >
              >         On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen <jasperteunissen@... <mailto:jasperteunissen@...>> wrote:
              >
              >             Hi all,
              >
              >             Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of 
              >             global-square.net <http://global-square.net> website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
              >             we want to do with it.
              >
              >             The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
              >             during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
              >             project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
              >             earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
              >
              >             I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
              >             in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
              >             use it.
              >
              >             Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
              >             saved it here anyway: 
              >             https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
              >
              >
              >             greetings jasper
              >
              >
              >
              >
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              • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

                from Orsan Senalp on Dec 09, 2016 04:16 PM
                Should we fix time for coming sunday? If you can, I am in the netherlands; so an hour earlier then Spain, and can have room for relax talk (time wise) at late afternoon or evening. Look forwards!
                 
                
                
                On 8 dec. 2016, at 17:20, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                
                > Hi Orsan,
                > 
                > I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right now but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have some warning.
                > 
                > xox Heather
                > 
                > On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
                >> Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists actually.  
                >> 
                >> Very good idea on having a meetup. 
                >> 
                >> Vlad
                >> 
                >> 
                >> From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
                >> To: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                >> Cc: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                >> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
                >> Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
                >> 
                >> Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all, 
                >> 
                >> First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well. Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
                >> 
                >> Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan, Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation, make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it? 
                >> 
                >> Best,
                >> Orsan 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                >> 
                >> Hi all,
                >> 
                >> Two points:
                >> 1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name, something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future globalsquare.net coincides with or complements the original.
                >> 
                >> The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy and concentric circles.
                >> 
                >> I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or our own perceived preferences.
                >> 
                >> Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the assistance of research universities with computer science departments and the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins, searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options. (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a structure.)
                >> 
                >> Synopsis: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/
                >> More from Cuba free software conference: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
                >> More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
                >> 
                >> Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable, stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
                >> Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again to a free database and trust network. Starts at beginning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international, victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist industry." 
                >> 
                >> All the best to you all,
                >> Heather
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
                >> I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
                >> 
                >> Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
                >> 
                >> I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
                >> 
                >> #solidarty
                >> 
                >> Vlad
                >> 
                >> 
                >> ----- Original Message -----
                >> From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
                >> To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                >> Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                >> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
                >> Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
                >> 
                >> Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so! 
                >> Best, 
                >> Orsan 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen <jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
                >> 
                >> Hi all,
                >> 
                >> Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of 
                >> global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what 
                >> we want to do with it.
                >> 
                >> The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments 
                >> during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the 
                >> project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal 
                >> earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
                >> 
                >> I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did 
                >> in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and 
                >> use it.
                >> 
                >> Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I 
                >> saved it here anyway: 
                >> https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
                >> 
                >> 
                >> greetings jasper
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
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              • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

                from Alan Blanes on Dec 09, 2016 06:16 PM
                Sunday would be a good day to have a call - would this be done over mumble?
                There is a lawyer by the name of Alison who has expressed some interest in
                authentic UDHR legal clinics as part of the 17 SDGs. We are arranging for a
                call next week about this - so I would be very interested in what might be
                feasible through the WSF/Occupy partnership - Open FSM,  to get an
                international task force established.
                
                Alan
                
                On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                
                > Hi Orsan,
                >
                > I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right now
                > but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have some
                > warning.
                >
                > xox Heather
                >
                > On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
                >
                > Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists
                > actually.
                >
                > Very good idea on having a meetup.
                >
                > Vlad
                >
                >
                > ------------------------------
                > *From: *"Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...> <orsan1234@...>
                > *To: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-
                > discussion@...>
                > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                > *Cc: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-
                > discussion@...>
                > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
                >
                > *Subject: *Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net
                > expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
                >
                > Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all,
                >
                > First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the
                > junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well.
                > Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
                >
                > Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan,
                > Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also
                > others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open
                > fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation,
                > make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks
                > of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and
                > brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square
                > ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it?
                >
                > Best,
                > Orsan
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                >
                > Hi all,
                >
                > Two points:
                >
                > 1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name,
                > something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future globalsquare.net
                > coincides with or complements the original.
                >
                > The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed
                > as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a
                > universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be
                > independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations
                > over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more
                > effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy
                > and concentric circles.
                >
                > I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just
                > now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would
                > trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most
                > importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find
                > verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or
                > our own perceived preferences.
                >
                > Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal
                > commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that
                > includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create
                > this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the
                > assistance of research universities with computer science departments and
                > the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins,
                > searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options.
                > (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to
                > anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a
                > structure.)
                >
                > Synopsis: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-
                > for-self-governance-part-1/
                >
                > More from Cuba free software conference: https://georgiebc.wordpress.
                > com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
                >
                > More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
                > Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable,
                > stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30:
                > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
                >
                > Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize
                > Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again
                > to a free database and trust network. Starts at beginning:
                > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
                >
                >
                > 2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is
                > working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two
                > international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage
                > and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits
                > against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental
                > law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international,
                > victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist
                > industry."
                >
                > All the best to you all,
                > Heather
                >
                >
                > On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
                >
                > I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.
                >
                > Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.
                >
                > I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.
                >
                > #solidarty
                >
                > Vlad
                >
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: "Orsan Senalp" < <orsan1234@...>orsan1234@...>
                > To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                > Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
                > Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
                >
                > Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so!
                > Best,
                > Orsan
                >
                >
                >
                > On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen < <jasperteunissen@...>jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
                >
                >
                > Hi all,
                >
                > Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what
                > we want to do with it.
                >
                > The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments
                > during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the
                > project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal
                > earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
                >
                > I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did
                > in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and
                > use it.
                >
                > Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I
                > saved it here anyway: https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
                >
                >
                > greetings jasper
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > --
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              • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

                from Alan Blanes on Dec 09, 2016 06:08 PM
                Sunday would be a good day to have a call - would this be done over mumble?
                There is a lawyer by the name of Alison who has expressed some interest in
                authentic UDHR legal clinics as part of the 17 SDGs. We are arranging for a
                call next week about this - so I would be very interested in what might be
                feasible through the WSF/Occupy partnership - Open FSM,  to get an
                international task force established.
                
                Alan
                
                On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                
                > Hi Orsan,
                >
                > I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right now
                > but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have some
                > warning.
                >
                > xox Heather
                >
                > On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
                >
                > Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists
                > actually.
                >
                > Very good idea on having a meetup.
                >
                > Vlad
                >
                >
                > ------------------------------
                > *From: *"Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...> <orsan1234@...>
                > *To: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-
                > discussion@...>
                > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                > *Cc: *"2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-
                > discussion@...>
                > <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
                >
                > *Subject: *Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net
                > expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
                >
                > Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all,
                >
                > First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the
                > junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well.
                > Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
                >
                > Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan,
                > Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also
                > others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open
                > fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation,
                > make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks
                > of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and
                > brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square
                > ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it?
                >
                > Best,
                > Orsan
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                >
                > Hi all,
                >
                > Two points:
                >
                > 1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name,
                > something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future globalsquare.net
                > coincides with or complements the original.
                >
                > The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed
                > as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a
                > universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be
                > independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations
                > over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more
                > effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy
                > and concentric circles.
                >
                > I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just
                > now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would
                > trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most
                > importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find
                > verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or
                > our own perceived preferences.
                >
                > Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal
                > commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that
                > includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create
                > this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the
                > assistance of research universities with computer science departments and
                > the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins,
                > searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options.
                > (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to
                > anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a
                > structure.)
                >
                > Synopsis: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-
                > for-self-governance-part-1/
                >
                > More from Cuba free software conference: https://georgiebc.wordpress.
                > com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
                >
                > More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
                > Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable,
                > stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30:
                > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
                >
                > Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize
                > Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again
                > to a free database and trust network. Starts at beginning:
                > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
                >
                >
                > 2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is
                > working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two
                > international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage
                > and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits
                > against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental
                > law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international,
                > victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist
                > industry."
                >
                > All the best to you all,
                > Heather
                >
                >
                > On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
                >
                > I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.
                >
                > Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.
                >
                > I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.
                >
                > #solidarty
                >
                > Vlad
                >
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: "Orsan Senalp" < <orsan1234@...>orsan1234@...>
                > To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                > Cc: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56:40 PM
                > Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;	anyone wants to keep it?
                >
                > Jasper, thanks for asking and for maintaining the site for last 3 years. If it is okay I like to keep it and am willing to share the costs of doing so!
                > Best,
                > Orsan
                >
                >
                >
                > On 16 nov. 2016, at 17:44, jasper teunissen < <jasperteunissen@...>jasperteunissen@...> wrote:
                >
                >
                > Hi all,
                >
                > Hope you are all doing well! I just got I reminder that the domain of global-square.net website is expiring in 30 days. The question is what
                > we want to do with it.
                >
                > The Global Square initiative had two relatively successful moments
                > during the Tunis WSF meetings in 2013 and 2015. Unfortunately, the
                > project was not continued during the last WSF meeting in Montreal
                > earlier this year, at least as far as I'm aware.
                >
                > I'm happy to renew the domain and will pay the annual 35 euros, as I did
                > in the past 3 years, but I wondered if anyone would like to keep it and
                > use it.
                >
                > Of course, it would be nice to keep the content for the future, so I
                > saved it here anyway: https://web.archive.org/web/20161116161102/http://www.global-square.net
                >
                >
                > greetings jasper
                >
                >
                >
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              • Re: global-square.net expiring; anyone wants to keep it?

                from Orsan Senalp on Dec 09, 2016 04:10 PM
                Should we fix time for coming sunday? If you can, I am in the netherlands; so an hour earlier then Spain, and can have room for relax talk (time wise) at late afternoon or evening. Look forwards!
                 
                
                
                On 8 dec. 2016, at 17:20, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                
                > Hi Orsan,
                > 
                > I also think it is a very good idea. My Internet is not so great right now but I am in Spain so it is easier to get somewhere to talk if I have some warning.
                > 
                > xox Heather
                > 
                > On 12/8/2016 12:50 PM, Vlad T wrote:
                >> Hmm wonder why my mail gets junked.  i think its when i write to lists actually.  
                >> 
                >> Very good idea on having a meetup. 
                >> 
                >> Vlad
                >> 
                >> 
                >> From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
                >> To: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                >> Cc: "2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion" <2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...>
                >> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:46:25 PM
                >> Subject: Re: [2011movements-fsm discussion] global-square.net expiring;        anyone wants to keep it?
                >> 
                >> Hi Heather, Vlad, Jasper, Alan, and all, 
                >> 
                >> First of all, just coincidentally found Heather and Vlad's replies at the junk mail folder, am not sure if this was the case for others as well. Since Jasper didn't reply he might missed them as well.
                >> 
                >> Anyway besides Jasper's question, and upon the responses from Alan, Heather, and Vlad, also because of the current situation in the world, also others mentioned; especially after Montreal wsf, us elections, rising open fascism all around, situation in Syria, and with the wikileaks' situation, make me hope for an online meet up, on mumble or jitsi, just to take stacks of last 5 years, exchange about what we have been doing last years, and brain storm of possible ways and means for a renewal of global square ideas. In a relax and flexable way.. What would you think about it? 
                >> 
                >> Best,
                >> Orsan 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 27 nov. 2016, at 11:28, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> wrote:
                >> 
                >> Hi all,
                >> 
                >> Two points:
                >> 1. I still have a Facebook and Twitter with the global square name, something to keep in mind in case the goals of the future globalsquare.net coincides with or complements the original.
                >> 
                >> The basic idea with that is to replace the web platforms that are designed as isolated pages, each sealing a well of user created information, with a universal database and trust network. This would allow collaboration to be independent of software platforms and remove the control of corporations over user created data and relationships. It would also allow more effective methods of mass communication and collaboration such as stigmergy and concentric circles.
                >> 
                >> I have needed this structure for many projects for years and it is just now that the technology has reached a point that it is viable. This would trigger a revolution in the way we work in so many fields but most importantly in allowing us to filter the noise of the Internet and find verified and knowledgeable information that is not filtered by platform or our own perceived preferences.
                >> 
                >> Since the idea is to create a database and trust network as a universal commons for everyone, I am trying to create a foundation or trust that includes universities from different countries. The initial code to create this project is very simple but optimizing it is not! It would require the assistance of research universities with computer science departments and the resources to run large tests, both for optimization of the joins, searches and sharding and then to look for federated hosting options. (Please feel free to pass on any information, including my contact, to anyone you know who might be interested in collaborating in such a structure.)
                >> 
                >> Synopsis: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/getgee-tools-for-self-governance-part-1/
                >> More from Cuba free software conference: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/transcript-from-talk-about-getgee/
                >> More from Inteligencia Colectiva para la Democracia in Madrid:
                >> 
                >> Methods of collaboration that this database structure would enable, stigmergy and concentric circles, starts at 2.30: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuANPfurNE
                >> Workshop at Madrid, explaining use of concentric circles to popularize Facebook and how concentric circles and stigmergy can be used to move again to a free database and trust network. Starts at beginning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5g67AE4jSU
                >> 
                >> 
                >> 2. Regarding a network of legal clinics around the world, if anyone is working on such a thing please consider collaborating with two international initiatives, opCanary which has the objective to "encourage and support people around the world to bring global class action law suits against resource corporations which violate human rights and environmental law" and opDeathEaters which looks for "an independent, international, victim-led tribunal / inquiry into the human trafficking and pedosadist industry." 
                >> 
                >> All the best to you all,
                >> Heather
                >> 
                >> 
                >> On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Vlad T wrote:
                >> I think with the wave of fascism spreading across the world now, the ideas that were embedded in global square project are more important that ever.  - The main thing i think here is building a movement around a core set of ideas and creating spaces to collobarate and communicate is definitely an attractive strategy now that we witnessing the collapse of self serving corrupt left wing entities driven by special interests and encumbered by institutional hypocrisy.  
                >> 
                >> Now in context of WSF, maybe there is a problem of the venue, and in Montreal so many people got blocked from coming to Canada that it raises even more questions about WSF being a good vehicle to promote these ideas.  
                >> 
                >> I am also willing to share costs of maintaining the site.   
                >> 
                >> #solidarty
                >> 
                >> Vlad
                >> 
                >> 
                >> ----- Original Message -----
                >> From: "Orsan Senalp" <orsan1234@...>
                >> To: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
                >> Cc: