• It is not "us" who are adding this account name ( it would be done when updating the personal form and certainly not on the first time he would register ,it would be the participant themselveslater as they understand thatthis is probably the only way a connection can be made visible to other wsfte participants between their civicrm and decicim user names-

• I have mentionned repeatedlythe issue of what will the various civicrm public DIRECTORIESlook like and which information they will provide
• it is high time there is an explicit description of what is expected from the civicrm team in this regardalthough it seems nearly nothing has been described so far -public directories with relevant info is a fundamental feature of social forum
• You can see the montreal participant directory herewith your public profile :-) :https://fsm2016.org/es/participants/jnardi/profile/NOW IMAGINE there is in this display a field with a LINK that allows others to navigate in one click to your decidim profile -

• Again here the main info is not expressing an intention i agree this is not very useful ( although it is a relevant info for the virtual forum commisison to know who is interested) THE MAIN USAGE FOR THIS FIELD is the activity representatives coming later to update this field andINSERT A DECIDIM LINKto the online/virtual forum space associated to this activity once they have created it with help of the online forum commisison -
• THE RESULT FROM THIS FIELD IS THAT THE ACTIVITY DIRECTORY IS INCLUDING A LIST OF ASSOCIATED ONLINE FORUM SPACES IF ANY and it is a reference for navigation

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• Self location in tags list is usually proposed in social forum - the task of the content commisison is more to establish a relevant list of tags then decide the categorization of the activity - there are several type of categorizations that have been mentionned - the moment - the thematic - the challenges ( remember barcelona april ) the population necessities (advocated by some in april -is there any list ?) and i would add - the fact that the activity is focusing on certain initaitives or not ( which can be deducted from the field E12)
• i understand discusion is open and not finalized - but i think the issue of SELF LOCALIZATION in several content DIMENSIONS is a relevant one

• if we agree on the relevance of this field that a good step - the wording can be found / again here inserting links to jitsi meeting to facebook video etc should be possible

NOTE there is mention of a distinction which IS NOT CLARIFIED SO FAR IN ANY FIELD between "concrete actvitities and open space activities"- I would word it

• activities with a clear group of logistically and poltically responsible entities and
• activities with a group of logistically responsaible entities that is meant as an open space - or a session of a convergence space already existing

• OK AND THAT IS A FUNDAMENTAL POINT initiatives are not organizations they are presented in the name of a group of organizations- it is important to understand the reason for this "mistake" -

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• There is a "public contact person " field in the activity form ( which requires clarification about how this "public contact" is considered by civicrm see the civicrm representativenes question raised in several part of that message)
• There should be a similar field in the initiative form, while so far THERE IS NOT UNLESS I AM MISTAKEN
• see the notion of "tecnical representative" and "declared representative" for organization through A32-D32 activity and the notion of "tecnical responsible" and "declared responsible" ( through A13-D13 initiative) These notions are explicited in theD11 lexico)-
• My pessimistic assumption is that for the time being we have a very technically centralized scheme in civicrm
• Only those having created an organizatin are considered representative and consequently only those having declared an organization are entitled to propose activity and initiative -
• The only reasonnable way to broaden this population would be to have fields in the organization , activity and initiative form where to declare other represenativein the organition form and declare other responsible in the actifvity and initiative form
• There could be, as for activities, a civicrm "built in" limit that an organization cannot be "tecnical responsible" for more then 2 or 3 activities or initiatives

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• well this is a significant pragmatic concrete field very simple radio button existing / projected
• if the initiative is "existing" there is a past and present and future
• if the initiative is "projected on occasion of wsfte" there is no past and it is all expectationFor instance : there is a strategic agenda initiative which is projected and will hopefully take concrete shape on occasion of the event in barcelona

• yes this notion of scale of initiative is the only inclusion from the suggestion so farbut in the initiative mapping fields there is NOT the notion of area-
• as an example the mapping can present an "international scale" initiative located somewhere in Florence with longitude latitude, but there is no field to dscribe the geographical area where it is active eg " so far italy and spain developing in senegal " or something like this

• THIS NOT A CONFUSION :-)THIS THE A KEY POINT the underlying vision is that1/ an initiative without public action date is unaccountable 2/ simple declarations on occasion of wsfte can be considered very simple initiatives with one action date "public declaration" on wsfte barcelona dates-
• So the practical consequence is thatall public results in wsfte can take the form of an initiative and be colected in the WSFTE INITIATIVE CALENDAR,which CAN BE A DISTINCT PART OF the WSFTE SELF MANAGED CALENDAR jason and david are referring to
• And it is FUNDAMENTAL to ask the initiative promoters to give 1 to 3 public action dates, in field D21
• ( with the clear communication from WSFTE faciltating group /understanding by wsfte participants that these action dateswill be reflected in a specific content of the wsfte calendar " initiative calendar"),
• This initiative calendar can be filtered /presented as such, INSIDE THE GENERAL SELF MANAGED WSFTE CALENDAR and edited by the initiative promoters themselves with accompaniment from content commission, based on the updated collection of D21 field for each initiative - see the text here
• it would look like this more or less which has been implemented in Montreal WSFhttps://fsm2016.org/es/actions/-
• SO BEHIND THIS D21 FIELD is a manual interactive protocol from content commission in inter-initiative space in contact with initiative promotros to care about initiatives (which will be discussed on january 23rd in content commission)-
• The result of this protocol in the end is generate an updated description of the initiative - with extra fields of description of action date ( see the fields A24 to A28 in initiative tab) that will be made visible under the form of a calendar as has been done in montrealhttps://fsm2016.org/es/actions/-
• This wsfte iniative calendar is a document with a high enough level of quality - and based on the D21 field
• It is the result of an interactive relation between content commision and initiative promoters which is structured around - getting update of this D21 field - clarifying action related information that will appear in wsfte initiative calendar
• It is generated and updated for some months after the wsfte event( which raises the issue of continuity of a minimal Technical team after the event, or a volunteering grou)
• NOTE with a little bit of training and info of the initiative promoters by the content commission, the D21 field as a free text field can contain in free text format all the elements of A24 to A28 and be a clear unambiguous basis for generating the wsfte initiative calendar
• in the end it can receive a link to the actiondates generated by the iniciative promotion group in the calendar websiteSO THERE IS A LINKAGE BOTH SIDES BETWEEN INITIATIVE FORM IN CIVICRM AND THE CALENDAR TOOL

Se entiende mejor la relevancia de este punto 12 leyendo este texto " como acompanamos a los grupos promotores de iniciativas"

http://openfsm.net/projects/bcnet19/bcnet19-comisiones-input15Link: /projects/bcnet19/bcnet19-comisiones-input15 - tambien visible en

https://cloud.transformadora.org/s/Ta7m7F3TA2a5i2kLink: https://cloud.transformadora.org/s/Ta7m7F3TA2a5i2k

D21 field in civicrm form D21 field can receive links to dates of self managed calendar and self managed calendar action dates description can receive link to the corresponding initiative visible in initiative directory of wsfte : linking both ways

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D22 -Como grupo promotor, en torno a esta iniciativa: qué quieren lograr en FSMET(máx. 800 signas= 10 líneas) //Qué tipo de fortalecimiento apoyo PARA / DESDE su iniciativa espera obtener de/ aportar a otros participantes / iniciativas // // Cómo podría articularse esta iniciativa con otras iniciativas y cuáles?

RELEVANT EXPRESSION OF EXPECTATIONS ABOUT WSFTE EVENT BY INITIATIVE PROMOTERS

As you've pointed out, the initiative is an action, not an actor nor an activity in the forum (though it can be presented through an activity). So why ask what they want to obtain? This is more relevant for an activity.

• let me qualify : this is about WHAT the promoters of an initiatve expect to get from their participation in wsfte for the strenghthening and articulation of their initiative ( for this they have several means : the virtual online forum - the inter initiative space - and specific activities designed to focus at least partially on specific iniativies (activity is one mean among other possible)Como grupo promotor, en torno a esta iniciativa: qué quieren lograr en FSMET(máx. 800 signas= 10 líneas) //Qué tipo de fortalecimiento apoyo PARA / DESDE su iniciativa espera obtener de/ aportar a otros participantes / iniciativas // // Cómo podría articularse esta iniciativa con otras iniciativas y cuáles?

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• well it is not a YES NO question it is a HOW question for other participants browsing the initIative directory? it is probably useful to have info about "what are the criteria and protocols" for getting included in the promoting group of a particular initiative

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• Again here the main info is not expressing an intention i agree this is not very useful ( although it is a relevant info for the virtual forum commisison to know who is interested) THE MAIN USAGE FOR THIS FIELD is the initaitive representatives coming later to update this field andINSERT A DECIDIM LINKto the online/virtual forum space associated to this initiative once they have created it with help of the onlin forum commisison -
• THE RESULT FROM THIS FIELD IS THAT THE INITIATIVE DIRECTORY IS INCLUDING A LIST OF ASSOCIATED ONLINE FORUM SPACES IF ANY and it is a reference for navigation THIS IS VERY USEFUL INFO TO PARTICIPANTS

• Well this notion of "inItiaitive linked to the forum" is a Kevin formulation - it is not mine
• i am just considering in priority initiative promoting group that come to wsfte with expectation that they express in D22 They have several means at their disposal for promoting their initiative,which are
• the inter -initiative space online ( which can be on line based on the initiative directory in civicrm)
• the inter -initiative physical open space in barcelona ( cared about by content commisison)
• the online forum spaces (
• and the activities during the event in barcelona(activities that the initaitive promoter organize or activities oganized by others where it is indcated that the iniative will be discussed ( see field in the activity form) with this distinction which IS NOT CLARIFIED SO FAR between "concreteactvitities and open space activities"-
• AND OF COURSE UPDATING THEIR INITIATIVE DESCRIPTION including the D13 D21 fields for reflecting the evolutions of their initiative throughout the dialogues and interactions in wsfte along those three channels means