Thanks a lot Jasper.

Your comment will be taken into account.

 

As for the ‘voice’ of all participants in the convergence meeting, it should indeed be heard and it is the intention to present them a questionnaire. The question remains whether they  will react. Based on my own experience with the convergence on social protection, I am not too optimistic, since in spite of repeated demands, there is very little life in the group … but let us be patient and try.

 

Best,

Francine

 

Van: jasper teunissen [mailto:jasperteunissen@hotmail.com]
Verzonden: 29 June 2013 17:00
Aan: cifutur-consultations@lists.openfsm.net
Onderwerp: Re: [G2 - CI futur Consult Carto Eval Strategy Synth] RE: [G2 - CI futur Consult Carto Eval Strategy Synth] Re: [IC-G2 ] questionnaire réform CI/cuesti onario reforma CI/ questionnaire IC reform

 

Dear all,

As an IC outsider I share the concerns of Shawn. After going through the proposed survey I feel confused and overwhelmed. I think the questions and optional answers are not just 'tedious', but too much directed to desired outcomes, including many detailed proposals and suggestions that have hardly been circulated or discussed before. It makes me think I'm entering a foggy, complicated and bureaucratic world. I'm not against proposing or suggesting anything, but if the main aim is to find out how both existing IC members and potential new members see their own role in the future of the WSF, my advice is to drastically simplify the model, based on clear and strict goals, including a transparent path for the processing, presentation and collective evaluation of the results.

I also would like to share a wider critical observation on the process to discuss the future of the WSF. I think we should not only focus on the needs, capacities and visions of those already involved, and found their ways through the barriers around the IC structure. The splitting in the three working groups was arbitrary and not openly and thoroughly discussed. So we are still repeating the old situation, in which it is very hard to get an overview, understand the functions and tasks of these groups, and see how working groups are related and feeding into a collective process. This may be the reason why the debate about the future never really got started, and we are now losing the fire and potential energies we experienced in Tunis. The question remains: where is the voice of the hundreds of groups who organised the workshops and meetings, the hundreds of volunteers, translators, technical assistants, and of course the thousands of participants of the last forum? What are their needs, expectations, views, commitments?

To be honest and direct, I think trying to transform the WSF from the top down is a mistake. I'm sure there are other ways...

greetings,

Jasper Teunissen





Op 29-6-2013 9:36, Francine Mestrum schreef:

Thank you very much Shawn.

Your comments are very relevant and useful and surely will have to be taken into account when finalizing the questionnaire.

In the meantime it would be good to have also other members opinion, so I would like to ask members to also give their opinion on this specific point.

Does the presentation of the questionnaire stimulate you to answer the questions?

 

Shawn fait la Remarque comme quoi la presentation du questionnaire n’est pas vraiment stimulant, trop peu Claire et n’invite pas à répondre auw questions.

Cette remarque importante devra être prise en compte au moment où le questionnaire sera finalisé. Entretemps, nous aimerions vous inviter à aussi vous exprimer sur cette question. Etes-vous d’accord ou non?

 

 

Shawn nos dice que la presentacion del cuestionario no es realmente estimulante, no invita a contestar a las preguntas. Es un comentario muy util y pertinente que tendremos que tomar en cuenta al momento de finalizar el cuestionario.

Mientras tanto, les invitamos a pronunciarse tambièn sobre esta cuestion. Estan de acuerdo o no?

 

Muchas gracias por su atencion

Many thanks/ Merci beaucoup.

 

Van: Shawn Carrié [mailto:shawn@occupywallst.org]
Verzonden: 29 June 2013 00:48
Aan: cifutur-consultations@lists.openfsm.net
Onderwerp: [G2 - CI futur Consult Carto Eval Strategy Synth] Re: [IC-G2] questionnaire réform CI/cuestionario reforma CI/ questionnaire IC reform

 

I'm glad to see something is moving on this topic. I imagine that creating this survey took a lot of careful thought and work, and I thank those who worked on it.

 

However, I am going to be very critical – not for political or ideological reasons, but simply for objective, empirical reasons which I hope will be taken into account and implemented in order to strengthen this phase of the work and move us forward. I will make two points:

 

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• There are many critical flaws with the survey, from a data architecture standpoint, and from a design and user experience standpoint. 

 

               • The survey as it stands now uses some very poor data practices, such as asking multiple questions in a single field.

                    (for example, question 1B asks for Name, Email, Skype, and Telephone.)

          • This will make it very difficult to make any sort of statistical evaluation of the data because it is not segregated and machine-readable. 

          • This can be remedied by separating each discrete data point into its own field, but there are many problems with the architecture of this survey.

           In short, a Data Analyst is badly needed.

 

• The design & layout of the survey is working against the content within it.

 

               • The layout of the questions is not visually conducive to ease of reading and understanding the prompts.

          • The questions themselves are not bad, but the poor visual presentation of the text makes the survey confusing and tedious.

          • The text is excessively cluttered and not formatted in a way that makes it easy to parse, or visually pleasing.

                    - For example, take a look at the way I've formatted this email - using larger text, indenting, and bullet point, this makes the outline of my

                    points easier to read and understand. 

          In short, a Design Editor is badly needed. 

 

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I can already predict that others may be encountering similar issues with the survey, and I'm certain that those evaluating the results will have a very difficult time analyzing the results and effectively reporting on them. 

 

This issue had already come up when the attendance data was published to this list, and I personally took the initiative to clean up and re-publish a report on IC organization's attendance, which no one replied to or acknowledged. I have offered, and continue to offer my services to this group.

 

In summary, I observe that there is a vast need for improvement in the way that the WSF and IC are utilizing technological resources to support its work.

This was the main position that I pushed in the G2 meeting in Tunis, and I firmly retain this position. I do look forward to working within this process, and hope that this sincere concern will be acknowledged and addressed.

 

 

⨳

Shawn Carrié

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On Friday, June 28, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Francine Mestrum wrote:

 

 

Dear members of working group 2,

Chers membres du groupe de travail n° 2

Estimados miembros del grupo de trabajo 2

 

You will find herewith (see url above) a questionnaire concerning the restructuring of the WSF/IC. It has been prepared by Sergio, Pierre and Francine. You may remember this was decided in Tunis.

 

This is a test, before sending the questionnaire to all IC members and to others. We would like to ask you to seriously answer it and give us your evaluation. Since there are still many questions about it, there may be a need to further amend it.

 

This is a very important step in the preparation process of the IC restructuring. We therefore hope to receive your answer as soon as possible. We thank you very warmly in advance.

 

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Vous trouverez ci-joint (voir url ci-dessus) un questionnaire sur la restructuration du FSM/CI. Il a été préparé par Sergio, Pierre et Francine. Vous vous rappellerez sans doute qu'il s'agit d'une décision prise à Tunis.

 

Ceci est un test, avant d'envoyer le questionnaire à tous les membres du CI et à d'autres. Nous aimerions vous demander de bien vouloir y répondre et de nous donner votre évaluation. Nous avons encore beaucoup de doutes et il sera peut-être nécessaire d'amender le questionnaire.

 

Ceci est une étape importante dans le processus de préparation de la restructuration du CI. Nous espérons dès lors de recevoir votre réponse dans les plus brefs délais. Nous vous en remercions très chaleureusement.

 

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En anexo (url abajo) encontraran un cuestionario sobre la nueva estructura del FSM/CI. Fue preparado por Sergio, Pierre y Francine. Asi lo decidimos en Tunez.

 

Eso es un 'test', antes de mandar el cuestionario a todos los miembrois del CI y a otros. Por favor, traten de responder a las cuestiones y de darnos su evaluacion. Nosotros tenemos algunas dudas y podria ser necesario de enmendar el cuestionario.

 

Eso es una etapa importante en el proceso de la reforma del FSM/CI. Por lo tanto, esperamos recibir sus respuestas lo mas antes posible. Muchisimas gracias de antemano.

 

 

 

 

 

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