Olá Jason,

Podemos fazer um chat nesta ou na próxima semana. Porém, acredito que o
Nicolas não tem mais tempo de esperar a ComCom para fechar o projeto de
captação. Temos urgencia no projeto e nos recursos, em especial para o
escritório e para Dakar.

Sobre o itens que você coloca, foram justamente eles que nos fizeram
encaminhar a idéia de um Seminário Internacional sobre a Comunicação do
FSM. É nesse espaço que vamos discutir a política e a concepção de
Comunicação "necessária e urgente" para o processo e eventos do FSM.

Chat: posso dia 23 (14h), dia 24 (11h), 27 (9h), 28 (14H)
hora de Brasil

bj
Salete

2010/9/21 Escritorio FSM - Helio <escritorio@...>

> Dear all,
>
> Just trying to contribute on clarifying some issues specifically related to
> the WSF office, pointed out in Jason's message:
>
> The discussion on the scope of the wsf office, and its task regarding all
> the commissions, have been discussed several times in the IC - the only
> instance having the legitimacy to define these questions. Of course, if it
> is still needed to rediscuss this issue, so let's make it collectively, i.e,
> inside the IC, and not only in this or that space. I do think this is not a
> question related to the comcom budget construction process, but to the whole
> WSF/IC process itself.
>
> In this sense, and taking into account what have been discussed and decided
> within the IC framework, the wsf office is responsable of some
> "communicational" tasks, as managing and keeping the general website and
> databases. These tasks, although with a clear communicational dimension, are
> not only related to communication purposes: they are related to and serve
> the whole process. I see no reason why make questions or doubts on this
> issue only before the construction of the budget...
>
> As all of we know, the office have been fulfilling a role as "reference
> point" of the process, and this is the main reason why, not only in my point
> of view, but also in the IC deliberations in this sense, this space takes in
> charge some responsabilities related not only to one or another commission,
> but to a, lets say, "general" interest of the process. These
> responsabilities are, of course, constructed in a shared and collaborative
> way with all people involved, and its a specific task of the Liaison Group
> to follow-up its developments.
>
> It was decided in the IC (first in Montreal, but reinforced in all
> subsequent meetings) that the wsf office was responsible of developing the
> wsf portal, as it is an interest of the process. As it has a clear
> communicational dimension (but also a strategic and methodological ones,
> related to expansion purposes too, for example), the building of the portal
> would be done in a collaborative way with ALL IC commissions and people
> involved. Of course this task will be a participatory one. From the office,
> its unthinkable to build all this only by the hands of the three people who
> compose its team - its not only polically and technically, but humanly and
> psychologically impossible! So, in very frank and sincere words, I reaaly
> see no reason of feraing this would be taken as just an operational task -
> because its not.
>
> Also, I really have a very big difficult on defining which is "political"
> or not in the WSF process framework - it seems to me that the consideration
> of what is "political" or not depends always on the approach chosen.
> Regarding this item (wsf portal), every part is "political" and "technical"
> at the same time - because "technical" is also "political" when it involves
> different points of view and a international scale as the WSF one is.
>
> Therefore, I really see no difficult on saying where the budget allocation
> should go (concerning these two points), as this definition have already
> been signaled by the IC. If these are "process items", having clearly but
> not exclusively a communicational dimension, this part of the budget should
> be allocated under the "process" line, i.e the wsf office one. Again, the
> task of following up the tasks takne under this "line", which are related
> not to one or another commission, is a task of the Liaison Group. Lets try
> to avoid creating more and more groups to taking specific and ad hoc
> responsabilities, instead of letting the already existing groups to fulfill
> its role, which wore collectivelly discussed and defined.
>
> All the best wishes,
> --
> Hélio Menezes
> Escritório do FSM / WSF Office
> São Paulo/SP - Brasil
> Tel.: +55 11 3258-8914
> www.forumsocialmundial.org.br
>
>
>
> 2010/9/21 Jason Nardi <jason.nardi@...>
>
> Querida Salete y tod@s,
>>
>> Thanks for indicating some key points (I was hoping they would emerge)
>> in the budget proposal.
>>
>> I think we need to discuss further in order to take a good - and
>> shared - decision.
>>
>> Can we have one last online meeting on this, during this week?
>> Salete, please suggest a date and time.
>>
>> I think we need to address the following:
>>
>> 1. The scope of the WSF office and its specific tasks with regards to
>> communication -- and where these become strategic or political
>> decisions which are the IC's and the Communication's commission's
>> responsibility.
>>
>> Until we resolve this, it is difficult to say where the budget
>> allocation should go.  In this specific instance, I think it is the
>> WSF Office's responsibility to manage and keep the website and
>> database updated (stimulating contributions from and allowing access
>> to the IC and wsf organising committees), but not to create/develop
>> them - which is more a "political" responsibility involving the
>> Communication commission of the IC in particular, especially since we
>> agreed that we need to work to have the tools and websites developed
>> so far "converge" towards a common portal (so we need to design and
>> work on this together).  I personally have been proposing this for a
>> long time, but the collaborative efforts have been very low and
>> frankly, I fear that instead of a participatory process it might be
>> taken as just an operational task, which it is not.
>>
>> So my proposal is that we set a "project budget" for the website(s)
>> and database, dedicated to the technical development, convergence and
>> maintenance of the wsf portal, which could be under the responsibility
>> of a new group to be formed in the IC comprising people from the
>> various commissions who should have input on what kind of
>> functionalities the renewed website should have.  This could solve a
>> problem of "dispersion" and multiplication of websites, of methodology
>> (registration of participants) and strategy (promotion of the debate)
>> as well as how to better make the expansion (languages, ways to
>> involve different movements) and the resources (online fundraising).
>> And someone from the wsfoffice to help with their experience of
>> day-to-day management as well as from communication, with all the
>> accumulated working groups experience.
>>
>> This inter-commission group would then decide how to allocate the
>> funds after agreeing on the main features requested.
>>
>>
>> 2. About Ciranda. It is not simply a matter of making equal divisions,
>> otherwise we would have to divide this budget into small insignificant
>> parts that won't allow us to do anything at all.  That said, I
>> certainly agree that Ciranda is not just a historical but an important
>> part of the wsf process and so is the radio forum and the other
>> initiatives that have been put forth.
>>
>> The proposal from Ciranda sets some important challenges. I think it
>> would be very useful if we could discuss these further - in particular
>> when it says (from Rita's message):
>>
>> "We perceive two demands from the Communication Commission in relation
>> to alternative media: interconnection between initiatives that produce
>> coverage of the WSF and the possibility of access to journalists who
>> have already participated in the WSF."
>>
>> These are not two new demands: they have been the reason by which we
>> all decided that a facilitation of alternative media in the wsf
>> process was needed. So what has Ciranda been doing until now?  I am
>> not saying this in a polemic way -- I support Ciranda since the
>> beginning! And I don't want to upset anyone.  But I do think that from
>> the discussions had in the IC in Mexico and before, there is still
>> some ambiguity on whether Ciranda is a space of the wsf process or an
>> independent media itself. There is a difference and it could be
>> difficult to continue to justify why Ciranda should receive economic
>> support from the Commission's budget and not Terra Viva or other
>> historical initiatives that have covered the forums all these years.
>> Since I do think Ciranda has made significant efforts, I would like
>> this issue to be solved once and for all !
>>
>>
>> 3. An occasion could be the public seminar on communication of the wsf
>> in Dakar.  It was proposed by Rita in Mexico but it hasn't been
>> discussed after that at all.  If we want to do this as a contribution
>> of the Communication commission, we need to decide it now and discuss
>> how to approach it, who will organise it, what is needed, how to
>> promote it, etc.  It would probably be more efficient if done together
>> with the African communication commission - but someone has to
>> initiate the debate!
>>
>>
>> 4. Addressing Judith's request about interpreters at IC meetings -
>> please Nicolas, correct me if I'm wrong.  That is the responsibility
>> of the local organising committee who hosts the meeting and is part of
>> a separate budget.  I agree it should be a fixed cost - but it's not
>> in the Comcom's scope.  Maybe the liason group should discuss this?
>>
>> I hope we can advance on all these issues, which are fundamental for
>> our present and future work.
>>
>> In solidarity,
>> Jason
>>
>>
>> 2010/9/16 salete valesan <salete.valesan@...>:
>>  > Queridos/as da ComCom,
>> >
>> > Olhei os arquivos do openfsm.net e tenho as seguintes considerações:
>> > 1 - Tirar os dois valores que são do escritório (Banco de dados e Site
>> > processo)  e colocar no orçamento próprio, enviado para o
>> > Ibase/oficina/Brasil.
>> >
>> > 2 - Separar o valor que está como Rádio e Ciranda pois são dois projetos
>> > diferentes de Comunicação Compartilhada (10.000 para cada um deles para
>> > ficar igual aos outros). A menos que a Pia e Rita estejam concordando
>> que
>> > fiquem juntos.
>> > Os projetos de Comunicação Compartilhada (Ciranda, rádio e TV) tem como
>> > objetivo o processo e a cobertura dos eventos, por isso, precisa ver o
>> que
>> > será possível garantir pela ComCom.
>> >
>> > 3 - Sobre a participação da ComCom com um Seminário em Dakar terá algum
>> > recurso?
>> > Nicolas, é possível colocar no orçamento do projeto do evento do FSM2011
>> de
>> > Dakar?
>> >
>> > 4 - Sobre Memória: estamos conversando aqui no Brasil com algumas
>> pessoas do
>> > governo e de empresas estatais para ver se é possível fazer um projeto.
>> Se
>> > tivermos alguma novidade boa, avisamos.
>> >
>> > 5 - Sobre a participação dos Brasileiros em Dakar, para o FSM 2011:
>> ainda
>> > não nos organizamos pois o Brasil está em período de eleições até final
>> de
>> > outrubro de 2010.
>> >
>> > Bj
>> > Salete
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2010/9/15 <hitchman@...>
>> >>
>> >> Dear all
>> >>
>> >> In terms of interpreting, please try to include Babel's participation
>> in
>> >> meetings, as well as the booths for interpretation and a per diem/hotel
>> >> accommodation for interpreters (depending on the IC venue, local teams
>> can
>> >> cover this work). It should cover 7 people: 6 in the booths + 1 at the
>> >> table...
>> >>
>> >> As always, this is a variable cost, so I have no idea how to budget it.
>> >>
>> >> In solidarity
>> >>
>> >> Judith
>> >> ---- Envoyé avec BlackBerry® d'Orange ----
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Jason Nardi <jason.nardi@...>
>> >> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 01:19:16
>> >> To: wsf com com<communication-commission-discussion@...>
>> >> Reply-To: communication-commission-discussion@...
>> >> Subject: [Communication commission discussion] Commission's budget
>> >> proposal
>> >>        2011-2012 - deadline this week!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Dear all,
>> >>
>> >> since after the last online meeting (september 6th) only a few
>> >> exchanges have taken place, I want to remind all who are interested
>> >> and active in the working groups to contribute with ideas and
>> >> proposals by next Friday 17th, which is the extension we were granted.
>> >>  Nicolas and the Resources commission need to put all the commissions'
>> >> basic budget proposals together in a general "wsf process" one for
>> >> 2011-2012.
>> >>
>> >> I have posted in the Resources part of the Com com space on
>> >> openfsm.net what I think could be a first version, based on the past
>> >> experiences and with all the limitations of having to deal with a
>> >> lower amount of expected resources.
>> >>
>> >> So please have a look and comment / integrate:
>> >>
>> http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/comcomfunding-wiki
>> >>
>> >> cheers,
>> >> Jason
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> [ESP]
>> >>
>> >> Hola a todos,
>> >>
>> >> ya que después de la reunión en línea pasado (06 de septiembre), sólo
>> >> unos pocos intercambios han tenido lugar, quiero recordar a todos los
>> >> que estén interesados y activos en los grupos de trabajo para
>> >> contribuir con ideas y propuestas para el viernes 17 sept., que es la
>> >> extensión que se les concedió. Nicolás y la Comisión de Recursos
>> >> necesidad de poner todas las propuestas de las comisiones en una
>> >> general del "proceso del FSM" para 2011-2012.
>> >>
>> >> He publicado en la parte de recursos del espacio com Com en
>> >> openfsm.net, lo que creo que podría ser una primera versión, basada en
>> >> las experiencias del pasado y con todas las limitaciones de tener que
>> >> lidiar con una menor cantidad de recursos previsto.
>> >>
>> >> Así que por favor eche un vistazo y comentario / integracion:
>> >>
>> http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/comcomfunding-wiki
>> >>
>> >> saludos,
>> >> Jason
>> >>
>> >>
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