Could someone invite me to the meeting?
my skype ID is : sphinx-indy

Thanks
Sphinx


> Dear all,
>
> I've spoken with some of you and it seems that tomorrow (29th of
> September)
> it would be better to anticipate the call of at least one hour.  So how
> about we meet at 16:00 UCT/GMT ?
>
> Please confirm if you can attend.
>
> Thanks,
> Jason
>
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Mallory Knodel
> <mallory@...>wrote:
>
>>  Hi Jason, et. al. -
>>
>> We are having an important meeting for technology training at the WEF
>> office and on Skype with Pierre Wednesday at exactly this time. One hour
>> before or after would be better for me, but I don't mind reading the
>> transcript after also.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Mallory
>>
>>
>> On 09/27/2010 01:49 PM, Jason Nardi wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>>  how about we try to have an online meeting on *Wednesday the 29th
>> September at 17:00 UCT* / GMT  (which is 14:00 in S.Paulo)?
>>
>>  Please check here for the corresponding times:
>> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock
>>
>>  Saludos!
>> Jason
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Monica Di Sisto
>> <monicadisisto@...>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Salete (and all)
>>> I agree that is necessary to chat together but here in Rome the
>>> municipality is closing the Città dell'altraeconomia (shared space of
>>> solidary economy) and we're resisting with meetings ans similar stuff.
>>> I can
>>> participate the 28th and 29th.
>>> Hugs and many thanks
>>>
>>> Monica
>>>
>>>  2010/9/22 salete valesan <salete.valesan@...>
>>>
>>>  Olá Jason,
>>>>
>>>> Podemos fazer um chat nesta ou na próxima semana. Porém, acredito que
>>>> o
>>>> Nicolas não tem mais tempo de esperar a ComCom para fechar o projeto
>>>> de
>>>> captação. Temos urgencia no projeto e nos recursos, em especial para o
>>>> escritório e para Dakar.
>>>>
>>>> Sobre o itens que você coloca, foram justamente eles que nos fizeram
>>>> encaminhar a idéia de um Seminário Internacional sobre a Comunicação
>>>> do
>>>> FSM. É nesse espaço que vamos discutir a política e a concepção de
>>>> Comunicação "necessária e urgente" para o processo e eventos do FSM.
>>>>
>>>> Chat: posso dia 23 (14h), dia 24 (11h), 27 (9h), 28 (14H)
>>>> hora de Brasil
>>>>
>>>> bj
>>>> Salete
>>>>
>>>>  2010/9/21 Escritorio FSM - Helio
>>>> <escritorio@...>
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just trying to contribute on clarifying some issues specifically
>>>>> related
>>>>> to the WSF office, pointed out in Jason's message:
>>>>>
>>>>> The discussion on the scope of the wsf office, and its task regarding
>>>>> all the commissions, have been discussed several times in the IC -
>>>>> the only
>>>>> instance having the legitimacy to define these questions. Of course,
>>>>> if it
>>>>> is still needed to rediscuss this issue, so let's make it
>>>>> collectively, i.e,
>>>>> inside the IC, and not only in this or that space. I do think this is
>>>>> not a
>>>>> question related to the comcom budget construction process, but to
>>>>> the whole
>>>>> WSF/IC process itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> In this sense, and taking into account what have been discussed and
>>>>> decided within the IC framework, the wsf office is responsable of
>>>>> some
>>>>> "communicational" tasks, as managing and keeping the general website
>>>>> and
>>>>> databases. These tasks, although with a clear communicational
>>>>> dimension, are
>>>>> not only related to communication purposes: they are related to and
>>>>> serve
>>>>> the whole process. I see no reason why make questions or doubts on
>>>>> this
>>>>> issue only before the construction of the budget...
>>>>>
>>>>> As all of we know, the office have been fulfilling a role as
>>>>> "reference
>>>>> point" of the process, and this is the main reason why, not only in
>>>>> my point
>>>>> of view, but also in the IC deliberations in this sense, this space
>>>>> takes in
>>>>> charge some responsabilities related not only to one or another
>>>>> commission,
>>>>> but to a, lets say, "general" interest of the process. These
>>>>> responsabilities are, of course, constructed in a shared and
>>>>> collaborative
>>>>> way with all people involved, and its a specific task of the Liaison
>>>>> Group
>>>>> to follow-up its developments.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was decided in the IC (first in Montreal, but reinforced in all
>>>>> subsequent meetings) that the wsf office was responsible of
>>>>> developing the
>>>>> wsf portal, as it is an interest of the process. As it has a clear
>>>>> communicational dimension (but also a strategic and methodological
>>>>> ones,
>>>>> related to expansion purposes too, for example), the building of the
>>>>> portal
>>>>> would be done in a collaborative way with ALL IC commissions and
>>>>> people
>>>>> involved. Of course this task will be a participatory one. From the
>>>>> office,
>>>>> its unthinkable to build all this only by the hands of the three
>>>>> people who
>>>>> compose its team - its not only polically and technically, but
>>>>> humanly and
>>>>> psychologically impossible! So, in very frank and sincere words, I
>>>>> reaaly
>>>>> see no reason of feraing this would be taken as just an operational
>>>>> task -
>>>>> because its not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I really have a very big difficult on defining which is
>>>>> "political" or not in the WSF process framework - it seems to me that
>>>>> the
>>>>> consideration of what is "political" or not depends always on the
>>>>> approach
>>>>> chosen. Regarding this item (wsf portal), every part is "political"
>>>>> and
>>>>> "technical" at the same time - because "technical" is also
>>>>> "political" when
>>>>> it involves different points of view and a international scale as the
>>>>> WSF
>>>>> one is.
>>>>>
>>>>> Therefore, I really see no difficult on saying where the budget
>>>>> allocation should go (concerning these two points), as this
>>>>> definition have
>>>>> already been signaled by the IC. If these are "process items", having
>>>>> clearly but not exclusively a communicational dimension, this part of
>>>>> the
>>>>> budget should be allocated under the "process" line, i.e the wsf
>>>>> office one.
>>>>> Again, the task of following up the tasks takne under this "line",
>>>>> which are
>>>>> related not to one or another commission, is a task of the Liaison
>>>>> Group.
>>>>> Lets try to avoid creating more and more groups to taking specific
>>>>> and ad
>>>>> hoc responsabilities, instead of letting the already existing groups
>>>>> to
>>>>> fulfill its role, which wore collectivelly discussed and defined.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best wishes,
>>>>> --
>>>>> Hélio Menezes
>>>>> Escritório do FSM / WSF Office
>>>>> São Paulo/SP - Brasil
>>>>> Tel.: +55 11 3258-8914
>>>>> www.forumsocialmundial.org.br
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/9/21 Jason Nardi <jason.nardi@...>
>>>>>
>>>>> Querida Salete y tod@s,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for indicating some key points (I was hoping they would
>>>>>> emerge)
>>>>>> in the budget proposal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think we need to discuss further in order to take a good - and
>>>>>> shared - decision.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can we have one last online meeting on this, during this week?
>>>>>> Salete, please suggest a date and time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think we need to address the following:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. The scope of the WSF office and its specific tasks with regards
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> communication -- and where these become strategic or political
>>>>>> decisions which are the IC's and the Communication's commission's
>>>>>> responsibility.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Until we resolve this, it is difficult to say where the budget
>>>>>> allocation should go.  In this specific instance, I think it is the
>>>>>> WSF Office's responsibility to manage and keep the website and
>>>>>> database updated (stimulating contributions from and allowing access
>>>>>> to the IC and wsf organising committees), but not to create/develop
>>>>>> them - which is more a "political" responsibility involving the
>>>>>> Communication commission of the IC in particular, especially since
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> agreed that we need to work to have the tools and websites developed
>>>>>> so far "converge" towards a common portal (so we need to design and
>>>>>> work on this together).  I personally have been proposing this for a
>>>>>> long time, but the collaborative efforts have been very low and
>>>>>> frankly, I fear that instead of a participatory process it might be
>>>>>> taken as just an operational task, which it is not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So my proposal is that we set a "project budget" for the website(s)
>>>>>> and database, dedicated to the technical development, convergence
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> maintenance of the wsf portal, which could be under the
>>>>>> responsibility
>>>>>> of a new group to be formed in the IC comprising people from the
>>>>>> various commissions who should have input on what kind of
>>>>>> functionalities the renewed website should have.  This could solve a
>>>>>> problem of "dispersion" and multiplication of websites, of
>>>>>> methodology
>>>>>> (registration of participants) and strategy (promotion of the
>>>>>> debate)
>>>>>> as well as how to better make the expansion (languages, ways to
>>>>>> involve different movements) and the resources (online fundraising).
>>>>>> And someone from the wsfoffice to help with their experience of
>>>>>> day-to-day management as well as from communication, with all the
>>>>>> accumulated working groups experience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This inter-commission group would then decide how to allocate the
>>>>>> funds after agreeing on the main features requested.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. About Ciranda. It is not simply a matter of making equal
>>>>>> divisions,
>>>>>> otherwise we would have to divide this budget into small
>>>>>> insignificant
>>>>>> parts that won't allow us to do anything at all.  That said, I
>>>>>> certainly agree that Ciranda is not just a historical but an
>>>>>> important
>>>>>> part of the wsf process and so is the radio forum and the other
>>>>>> initiatives that have been put forth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The proposal from Ciranda sets some important challenges. I think it
>>>>>> would be very useful if we could discuss these further - in
>>>>>> particular
>>>>>> when it says (from Rita's message):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "We perceive two demands from the Communication Commission in
>>>>>> relation
>>>>>> to alternative media: interconnection between initiatives that
>>>>>> produce
>>>>>> coverage of the WSF and the possibility of access to journalists who
>>>>>> have already participated in the WSF."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These are not two new demands: they have been the reason by which we
>>>>>> all decided that a facilitation of alternative media in the wsf
>>>>>> process was needed. So what has Ciranda been doing until now?  I am
>>>>>> not saying this in a polemic way -- I support Ciranda since the
>>>>>> beginning! And I don't want to upset anyone.  But I do think that
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> the discussions had in the IC in Mexico and before, there is still
>>>>>> some ambiguity on whether Ciranda is a space of the wsf process or
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> independent media itself. There is a difference and it could be
>>>>>> difficult to continue to justify why Ciranda should receive economic
>>>>>> support from the Commission's budget and not Terra Viva or other
>>>>>> historical initiatives that have covered the forums all these years.
>>>>>> Since I do think Ciranda has made significant efforts, I would like
>>>>>> this issue to be solved once and for all !
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. An occasion could be the public seminar on communication of the
>>>>>> wsf
>>>>>> in Dakar.  It was proposed by Rita in Mexico but it hasn't been
>>>>>> discussed after that at all.  If we want to do this as a
>>>>>> contribution
>>>>>> of the Communication commission, we need to decide it now and
>>>>>> discuss
>>>>>> how to approach it, who will organise it, what is needed, how to
>>>>>> promote it, etc.  It would probably be more efficient if done
>>>>>> together
>>>>>> with the African communication commission - but someone has to
>>>>>> initiate the debate!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4. Addressing Judith's request about interpreters at IC meetings -
>>>>>> please Nicolas, correct me if I'm wrong.  That is the responsibility
>>>>>> of the local organising committee who hosts the meeting and is part
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> a separate budget.  I agree it should be a fixed cost - but it's not
>>>>>> in the Comcom's scope.  Maybe the liason group should discuss this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope we can advance on all these issues, which are fundamental for
>>>>>> our present and future work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In solidarity,
>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2010/9/16 salete valesan <salete.valesan@...>:
>>>>>>  > Queridos/as da ComCom,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Olhei os arquivos do openfsm.net e tenho as seguintes
>>>>>> considerações:
>>>>>> > 1 - Tirar os dois valores que são do escritório (Banco de dados e
>>>>>> Site
>>>>>> > processo)  e colocar no orçamento próprio, enviado para o
>>>>>> > Ibase/oficina/Brasil.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > 2 - Separar o valor que está como Rádio e Ciranda pois são dois
>>>>>> projetos
>>>>>> > diferentes de Comunicação Compartilhada (10.000 para cada um deles
>>>>>> para
>>>>>> > ficar igual aos outros). A menos que a Pia e Rita estejam
>>>>>> concordando
>>>>>> que
>>>>>> > fiquem juntos.
>>>>>> > Os projetos de Comunicação Compartilhada (Ciranda, rádio e TV) tem
>>>>>> como
>>>>>> > objetivo o processo e a cobertura dos eventos, por isso, precisa
>>>>>> ver
>>>>>> o que
>>>>>> > será possível garantir pela ComCom.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > 3 - Sobre a participação da ComCom com um Seminário em Dakar terá
>>>>>> algum
>>>>>> > recurso?
>>>>>> > Nicolas, é possível colocar no orçamento do projeto do evento do
>>>>>> FSM2011 de
>>>>>> > Dakar?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > 4 - Sobre Memória: estamos conversando aqui no Brasil com algumas
>>>>>> pessoas do
>>>>>> > governo e de empresas estatais para ver se é possível fazer um
>>>>>> projeto. Se
>>>>>> > tivermos alguma novidade boa, avisamos.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > 5 - Sobre a participação dos Brasileiros em Dakar, para o FSM
>>>>>> 2011:
>>>>>> ainda
>>>>>> > não nos organizamos pois o Brasil está em período de eleições até
>>>>>> final de
>>>>>> > outrubro de 2010.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Bj
>>>>>> > Salete
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > 2010/9/15 <hitchman@...>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Dear all
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> In terms of interpreting, please try to include Babel's
>>>>>> participation in
>>>>>> >> meetings, as well as the booths for interpretation and a per
>>>>>> diem/hotel
>>>>>> >> accommodation for interpreters (depending on the IC venue, local
>>>>>> teams can
>>>>>> >> cover this work). It should cover 7 people: 6 in the booths + 1
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> >> table...
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> As always, this is a variable cost, so I have no idea how to
>>>>>> budget
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> In solidarity
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Judith
>>>>>> >> ---- Envoyé avec BlackBerry® d'Orange ----
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> >> From: Jason Nardi <jason.nardi@...>
>>>>>> >> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 01:19:16
>>>>>> >> To: wsf com com<
>>>>>> communication-commission-discussion@...>
>>>>>> >> Reply-To: communication-commission-discussion@...
>>>>>> >> Subject: [Communication commission discussion] Commission's
>>>>>> budget
>>>>>> >> proposal
>>>>>> >>        2011-2012 - deadline this week!
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Dear all,
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> since after the last online meeting (september 6th) only a few
>>>>>> >> exchanges have taken place, I want to remind all who are
>>>>>> interested
>>>>>> >> and active in the working groups to contribute with ideas and
>>>>>> >> proposals by next Friday 17th, which is the extension we were
>>>>>> granted.
>>>>>> >>  Nicolas and the Resources commission need to put all the
>>>>>> commissions'
>>>>>> >> basic budget proposals together in a general "wsf process" one
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> >> 2011-2012.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I have posted in the Resources part of the Com com space on
>>>>>> >> openfsm.net what I think could be a first version, based on the
>>>>>> past
>>>>>> >> experiences and with all the limitations of having to deal with a
>>>>>> >> lower amount of expected resources.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> So please have a look and comment / integrate:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/comcomfunding-wiki
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> cheers,
>>>>>> >> Jason
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> [ESP]
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Hola a todos,
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> ya que después de la reunión en línea pasado (06 de septiembre),
>>>>>> sólo
>>>>>> >> unos pocos intercambios han tenido lugar, quiero recordar a todos
>>>>>> los
>>>>>> >> que estén interesados y activos en los grupos de trabajo para
>>>>>> >> contribuir con ideas y propuestas para el viernes 17 sept., que
>>>>>> es
>>>>>> la
>>>>>> >> extensión que se les concedió. Nicolás y la Comisión de Recursos
>>>>>> >> necesidad de poner todas las propuestas de las comisiones en una
>>>>>> >> general del "proceso del FSM" para 2011-2012.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> He publicado en la parte de recursos del espacio com Com en
>>>>>> >> openfsm.net, lo que creo que podría ser una primera versión,
>>>>>> basada
>>>>>> en
>>>>>> >> las experiencias del pasado y con todas las limitaciones de tener
>>>>>> que
>>>>>> >> lidiar con una menor cantidad de recursos previsto.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Así que por favor eche un vistazo y comentario / integracion:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/comcomfunding-wiki
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> saludos,
>>>>>> >> Jason
>>>>>> >>
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