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PROPOSAL FOR MEMORY ARCHIVE Hallo to everybody, I know earlier today there was supposed to be the weekly chat...! reading the last mails around wsf memory, and the very long project proposed by sergio ( sorry, i could not read it all, also becouse of the language!) I am a little worried to see that a lot of enphasis is given to memory of the future, but almost no concern about memory of the past! Our group coordinator (Hilde ) is missing and no body pushed us to produce a coordinated, partecipated and inclusive memory project that has sense and that follows the given guidelines. I think we should all give a look again at Norma's document about Memory of WSF she has sent some time ago, wich I think is the basis for a memory archive project we should consider. Today is supposed to be the deadline for presenting all groups projects+budgets; so far the memoryGT has not presented something organic and inclusive work. I have sent some thoughts and ideas through the mail but i do not know if anyone has read it. The only things I have seen is about the future memory; sergio's memory project wich is , in a way, for me not exactly a wsf memory recording, but more an idea for monitoring what people feel wsf process is...?The idea is good, but doesn't seem to me a wsf memory thing; I am skepticale about asking such big financing request for something that is really good as a museum activity that could, at the end, bedonated to wsf process, and not viceversa. I think we need to consider 2 aspects of memory: tha past and the future: the PAST, which is to be mapped, collected, and possible edited. How much time and eventually money is needed is difficult to say, since it depends on the amount of material. Most of it will need to be copied and sent to who will catalouge and edit it. It may even be possible that some material has to be joined fisically, wich may mean travel expences. All groups that produce video ( but all sorts of wsf documentation can be included) should start mapping and share their lists of available memory material , and also start loading their material in one and only wsf database ( for video is supposed to be wsftv.net), this way all material are collected in one container and is available to all at once ( also for a possible consultation space on pc of all memory material at future sf) For the FUTURE, I think it is quite easy to say that for each forum event , together with the forum organization commitee, should have a number of people working at collecting the memory; the number of people depends on the type of event. For this, a number of crews also with local people involved ( for video each crew should be of 2 people) have to make sure that the sf is covered (video, radio, text) as much as possible, following key plenaries, some thematic working groups, interviewing key and common people. Meantime a catalogation strategy should be studied in order to be able to easely pick out from the common database what one is searching. I think we have to find/decide few main macro areas of contents (max 10?) which are words that together with date+place+event where the material has been taken+ kind of material (video, txt, audio, still image) + language of transaltion, are going to be the tags for extracting the contents of interest. Each of these elements are to be catalogued with a specific rule that has to be given, like to fill in all its parts in a pre ordinated form ( the wsftv one has to be worked on). Thank you for your attention another world is possible! besos Bettina
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Dear Bettina, dear all First of all, apologies for my absence in the last few days, as I said in my previous email I was away for a few days, I got back too late on Wednesday to participate in the chat. Then I have been overwhelmed with work in the last couple of days. This is just a very quick reply for now. Regarding the point Bettina raises about cataloguing of material, I agree that it is important to have a coherent and shared system for classification. I don't know if any of you know about or have been in contact with the wsf library - a project run by NIGD and a group of Kenyan librarians? They adoped a classification system based on the 'actionable themes' for the 2007 forum. You can see it here: http://www.wsflibrary.org/index.php/Actionable_themes. Maybe this can form a basis for discussion? I also think the project of gathering together in one place of past WSF memory is very important. Bettina - are you suggesting developing a dedicated site for this? I think both a 'future' and 'past' memory based on documents of all sorts is important, and yes, we do need to somehow systematize and bring together the different proposals. It seems there wasn't really a deadline on the 15th after all so we do have some more time... Bye for now, in solidarity, Hilde On Wed, July 15, 2009 7:56 pm, bettina gozzano wrote: > PROPOSAL FOR MEMORY ARCHIVE > Hallo to everybody, > I know earlier today there was supposed to be the weekly chat...! > reading the last mails around wsf memory, and the very long project > proposed by sergio ( sorry, i could not read it all, also becouse of the > language!) I am a little worried to see that a lot of enphasis is given > to memory of the future, but almost no concern about memory of the past! > Our group coordinator (Hilde ) is missing and no body pushed us to > produce a coordinated, partecipated and inclusive memory project that has > sense and that follows the given guidelines. I think we should all give a > look again at Norma's document about Memory of WSF she has sent some > time ago, wich I think is the basis for a memory archive project we should > consider. Today is supposed to be the deadline for presenting all groups > projects+budgets; so far the memoryGT has not presented something organic > and inclusive work. I have sent some thoughts and ideas through the mail > but i do not know if anyone has read it. > > The only things I have seen is about the future memory; sergio's memory > project wich is , in a way, for me not exactly a wsf memory recording, > but more an idea for monitoring what people feel wsf process is...?The > idea is good, but doesn't seem to me a wsf memory thing; I am skepticale > about asking such big financing request for something that is really good > as a museum activity that could, at the end, bedonated to wsf process, > and not viceversa. > > I think we need to consider 2 aspects of memory: > tha past and the future: > > the PAST, which is to be mapped, collected, and possible edited. How much > time and eventually money is needed is difficult to say, since it > depends on the amount of material. Most of it will need to be copied and > sent to who will catalouge and edit it. It may even be possible that some > material has to be joined fisically, wich may mean travel expences. All > groups that produce video ( but all sorts of wsf documentation can be > included) should start mapping and share their lists of available memory > material , and also start loading their material in one and only wsf > database ( for video is supposed to be wsftv.net), this way all material > are collected in one container and is available to all at once ( also for > a possible consultation space on pc of all memory material at future sf) > > > For the FUTURE, I think it is quite easy to say that for each forum event > , > together with the forum organization commitee, should have a number of > people working at collecting the memory; the number of people depends on > the type of event. For this, a number of crews also with local people > involved ( for video each crew should be of 2 people) have to make sure > that the sf is covered (video, radio, text) as much as possible, following > key plenaries, some thematic working groups, interviewing key and common > people. > > > Meantime a catalogation strategy should be studied in order to be able to > easely pick out from the common database what one is searching. I think > we have to find/decide few main macro areas of contents (max 10?) which > are words that together with date+place+event where the material has been > taken+ kind of material (video, txt, audio, still image) + language of > transaltion, are going to be the tags for extracting the contents of > interest. Each of these elements are to be catalogued with a specific > rule that has to be given, like to fill in all its parts in a pre > ordinated form ( the wsftv one has to be worked on). > > > Thank you for your attention > another world is possible! besos Bettina > > > > -- > Archive: > http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/lists/memory-documen > tationwg/archive/2009/07/1247684632046 To unsubscribe send an email with > subject "unsubscribe" to memory-documentationWG@.... > Please contact memory-documentationWG-manager@... for > questions. >
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dear Hilde, dear all, I've tried to link up with wsflibrary but it seems it is not online anymore.?. through google I found out that on open.net you have allready raised wsf text memory/documentation issue.: http://openesf.net/projects/documentation-esf-2008/lists/documentation-esf-2008-discussion/archive/2008/07/1217341813240/forum_view I'd like to know more about the 21 actionable themes ( i'll try to find something on www.open.net, but as you said about process.net, opent.net has the same problem). I will not partecipte to comcom wendsday chat as usual, and on july 30 my holidays begin. good summer to everyone! ciao bettina 2009/7/17 Hilde C Stephansen <so703hs@...> > Dear Bettina, dear all > > First of all, apologies for my absence in the last few days, as I said in > my previous email I was away for a few days, I got back too late on > Wednesday to participate in the chat. Then I have been overwhelmed with > work in the last couple of days. > > This is just a very quick reply for now. Regarding the point Bettina > raises about cataloguing of material, I agree that it is important to have > a coherent and shared system for classification. I don't know if any of > you know about or have been in contact with the wsf library - a project > run by NIGD and a group of Kenyan librarians? They adoped a classification > system based on the 'actionable themes' for the 2007 forum. You can see it > here: http://www.wsflibrary.org/index.php/Actionable_themes. Maybe this > can form a basis for discussion? > > I also think the project of gathering together in one place of past WSF > memory is very important. Bettina - are you suggesting developing a > dedicated site for this? > > I think both a 'future' and 'past' memory based on documents of all sorts > is important, and yes, we do need to somehow systematize and bring > together the different proposals. It seems there wasn't really a deadline > on the 15th after all so we do have some more time... > > Bye for now, > in solidarity, > Hilde > > > > On Wed, July 15, 2009 7:56 pm, bettina gozzano wrote: > > PROPOSAL FOR MEMORY ARCHIVE > > Hallo to everybody, > > I know earlier today there was supposed to be the weekly chat...! > > reading the last mails around wsf memory, and the very long project > > proposed by sergio ( sorry, i could not read it all, also becouse of the > > language!) I am a little worried to see that a lot of enphasis is given > > to memory of the future, but almost no concern about memory of the past! > > Our group coordinator (Hilde ) is missing and no body pushed us to > > produce a coordinated, partecipated and inclusive memory project that has > > sense and that follows the given guidelines. I think we should all give a > > look again at Norma's document about Memory of WSF she has sent some > > time ago, wich I think is the basis for a memory archive project we > should > > consider. Today is supposed to be the deadline for presenting all groups > > projects+budgets; so far the memoryGT has not presented something organic > > and inclusive work. I have sent some thoughts and ideas through the mail > > but i do not know if anyone has read it. > > > > The only things I have seen is about the future memory; sergio's memory > > project wich is , in a way, for me not exactly a wsf memory recording, > > but more an idea for monitoring what people feel wsf process is...?The > > idea is good, but doesn't seem to me a wsf memory thing; I am skepticale > > about asking such big financing request for something that is really good > > as a museum activity that could, at the end, bedonated to wsf process, > > and not viceversa. > > > > I think we need to consider 2 aspects of memory: > > tha past and the future: > > > > the PAST, which is to be mapped, collected, and possible edited. How much > > time and eventually money is needed is difficult to say, since it > > depends on the amount of material. Most of it will need to be copied and > > sent to who will catalouge and edit it. It may even be possible that > some > > material has to be joined fisically, wich may mean travel expences. All > > groups that produce video ( but all sorts of wsf documentation can be > > included) should start mapping and share their lists of available memory > > material , and also start loading their material in one and only wsf > > database ( for video is supposed to be wsftv.net), this way all material > > are collected in one container and is available to all at once ( also for > > a possible consultation space on pc of all memory material at future sf) > > > > > > For the FUTURE, I think it is quite easy to say that for each forum event > > , > > together with the forum organization commitee, should have a number of > > people working at collecting the memory; the number of people depends on > > the type of event. For this, a number of crews also with local people > > involved ( for video each crew should be of 2 people) have to make sure > > that the sf is covered (video, radio, text) as much as possible, > following > > key plenaries, some thematic working groups, interviewing key and common > > people. > > > > > > Meantime a catalogation strategy should be studied in order to be able to > > easely pick out from the common database what one is searching. I think > > we have to find/decide few main macro areas of contents (max 10?) which > > are words that together with date+place+event where the material has been > > taken+ kind of material (video, txt, audio, still image) + language of > > transaltion, are going to be the tags for extracting the contents of > > interest. Each of these elements are to be catalogued with a specific > > rule that has to be given, like to fill in all its parts in a pre > > ordinated form ( the wsftv one has to be worked on). > > > > > > Thank you for your attention > > another world is possible! besos Bettina > > > > > > > > -- > > Archive: > > > http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/lists/memory-documen > > tationwg/archive/2009/07/1247684632046 To unsubscribe send an email with > > subject "unsubscribe" to memory-documentationWG@.... > > Please contact memory-documentationWG-manager@... for > > questions. > > > > > > > -- > Archive: > http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/lists/memory-documentationwg/archive/2009/07/1247848919001 > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to > memory-documentationWG@.... Please contact > memory-documentationWG-manager@... for questions. >
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Hi bettina when you talk open.net are you meaning to say www.openesf.net and www.openfsm.net ? http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/wg-memory-documentation Pierre 2009/7/20 bettina gozzano <bg.64.it@...> > dear Hilde, dear all, > I've tried to link up with wsflibrary but it seems it is not online > anymore.?. > through google I found out that on open.net you have allready raised wsf > text memory/documentation issue.: > > > http://openesf.net/projects/documentation-esf-2008/lists/documentation-esf-2008-discussion/archive/2008/07/1217341813240/forum_view > > > I'd like to know more about the 21 actionable themes ( i'll try to find > something on www.open.net, but as you said about process.net, opent.nethas the same problem) > . > I will not partecipte to comcom wendsday chat as usual, and on july 30 my > holidays begin. > good summer to everyone! > ciao > bettina > > > > > > 2009/7/17 Hilde C Stephansen <so703hs@...> > > Dear Bettina, dear all >> >> First of all, apologies for my absence in the last few days, as I said in >> my previous email I was away for a few days, I got back too late on >> Wednesday to participate in the chat. Then I have been overwhelmed with >> work in the last couple of days. >> >> This is just a very quick reply for now. Regarding the point Bettina >> raises about cataloguing of material, I agree that it is important to have >> a coherent and shared system for classification. I don't know if any of >> you know about or have been in contact with the wsf library - a project >> run by NIGD and a group of Kenyan librarians? They adoped a classification >> system based on the 'actionable themes' for the 2007 forum. You can see it >> here: http://www.wsflibrary.org/index.php/Actionable_themes. Maybe this >> can form a basis for discussion? >> >> I also think the project of gathering together in one place of past WSF >> memory is very important. Bettina - are you suggesting developing a >> dedicated site for this? >> >> I think both a 'future' and 'past' memory based on documents of all sorts >> is important, and yes, we do need to somehow systematize and bring >> together the different proposals. It seems there wasn't really a deadline >> on the 15th after all so we do have some more time... >> >> Bye for now, >> in solidarity, >> Hilde >> >> >> >> On Wed, July 15, 2009 7:56 pm, bettina gozzano wrote: >> > PROPOSAL FOR MEMORY ARCHIVE >> > Hallo to everybody, >> > I know earlier today there was supposed to be the weekly chat...! >> > reading the last mails around wsf memory, and the very long project >> > proposed by sergio ( sorry, i could not read it all, also becouse of the >> > language!) I am a little worried to see that a lot of enphasis is given >> > to memory of the future, but almost no concern about memory of the >> past! >> > Our group coordinator (Hilde ) is missing and no body pushed us to >> > produce a coordinated, partecipated and inclusive memory project that >> has >> > sense and that follows the given guidelines. I think we should all give >> a >> > look again at Norma's document about Memory of WSF she has sent some >> > time ago, wich I think is the basis for a memory archive project we >> should >> > consider. Today is supposed to be the deadline for presenting all groups >> > projects+budgets; so far the memoryGT has not presented something >> organic >> > and inclusive work. I have sent some thoughts and ideas through the mail >> > but i do not know if anyone has read it. >> > >> > The only things I have seen is about the future memory; sergio's >> memory >> > project wich is , in a way, for me not exactly a wsf memory recording, >> > but more an idea for monitoring what people feel wsf process is...?The >> > idea is good, but doesn't seem to me a wsf memory thing; I am skepticale >> > about asking such big financing request for something that is really >> good >> > as a museum activity that could, at the end, bedonated to wsf process, >> > and not viceversa. >> > >> > I think we need to consider 2 aspects of memory: >> > tha past and the future: >> > >> > the PAST, which is to be mapped, collected, and possible edited. How >> much >> > time and eventually money is needed is difficult to say, since it >> > depends on the amount of material. Most of it will need to be copied and >> > sent to who will catalouge and edit it. It may even be possible that >> some >> > material has to be joined fisically, wich may mean travel expences. All >> > groups that produce video ( but all sorts of wsf documentation can be >> > included) should start mapping and share their lists of available memory >> > material , and also start loading their material in one and only wsf >> > database ( for video is supposed to be wsftv.net), this way all >> material >> > are collected in one container and is available to all at once ( also >> for >> > a possible consultation space on pc of all memory material at future >> sf) >> > >> > >> > For the FUTURE, I think it is quite easy to say that for each forum >> event >> > , >> > together with the forum organization commitee, should have a number of >> > people working at collecting the memory; the number of people depends >> on >> > the type of event. For this, a number of crews also with local people >> > involved ( for video each crew should be of 2 people) have to make sure >> > that the sf is covered (video, radio, text) as much as possible, >> following >> > key plenaries, some thematic working groups, interviewing key and common >> > people. >> > >> > >> > Meantime a catalogation strategy should be studied in order to be able >> to >> > easely pick out from the common database what one is searching. I think >> > we have to find/decide few main macro areas of contents (max 10?) which >> > are words that together with date+place+event where the material has >> been >> > taken+ kind of material (video, txt, audio, still image) + language of >> > transaltion, are going to be the tags for extracting the contents of >> > interest. Each of these elements are to be catalogued with a specific >> > rule that has to be given, like to fill in all its parts in a pre >> > ordinated form ( the wsftv one has to be worked on). >> > >> > >> > Thank you for your attention >> > another world is possible! besos Bettina >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Archive: >> > >> http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/lists/memory-documen >> > tationwg/archive/2009/07/1247684632046 To unsubscribe send an email with >> > subject "unsubscribe" to memory-documentationWG@.... >> > Please contact memory-documentationWG-manager@... for >> > questions. >> > >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Archive: >> http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/lists/memory-documentationwg/archive/2009/07/1247848919001 >> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >> memory-documentationWG@.... Please contact >> memory-documentationWG-manager@... for questions. >> > > > > -- > Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1248118216646<http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/lists/memory-documentationwg/archive/2009/07/1248118216646> > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to > memory-documentationWG@.... Please contact > memory-documentationWG-manager@... for questions. >
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Hi pierre,yes! i mean www.openfsm.net , i didn't even figure there was the efs, and i do not think i am stupid. it seems to me that documents are thrown around randomly inside, maybe in folders with unresonable names. in theory it might be a straordinary tool, in the practice i think i am not the only one that get lost inside that labirinth with no proper direction, spend too much time searching for things that are not listed, no directory! so that one at the end gives up without having found what was looking for. it is user unfriendly, and really i said this so many times, but no one never cared about it, i dont want to talk about it unless forced becouse it gets on my nerves. sorry. 2009/7/20 Pierre George <pierregrg@...> > Hi bettina > > when you talk open.net are you meaning to say www.openesf.net and > www.openfsm.net ? > > > http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/wg-memory-documentation > > Pierre > > > 2009/7/20 bettina gozzano <bg.64.it@...> > >> dear Hilde, dear all, >> I've tried to link up with wsflibrary but it seems it is not online >> anymore.?. >> through google I found out that on open.net you have allready raised wsf >> text memory/documentation issue.: >> >> >> http://openesf.net/projects/documentation-esf-2008/lists/documentation-esf-2008-discussion/archive/2008/07/1217341813240/forum_view >> >> >> I'd like to know more about the 21 actionable themes ( i'll try to find >> something on www.open.net, but as you said about process.net, opent.nethas the same problem) >> . >> I will not partecipte to comcom wendsday chat as usual, and on july 30 my >> holidays begin. >> good summer to everyone! >> ciao >> bettina >> >> >> >> >> >> 2009/7/17 Hilde C Stephansen <so703hs@...> >> >> Dear Bettina, dear all >>> >>> First of all, apologies for my absence in the last few days, as I said in >>> my previous email I was away for a few days, I got back too late on >>> Wednesday to participate in the chat. Then I have been overwhelmed with >>> work in the last couple of days. >>> >>> This is just a very quick reply for now. Regarding the point Bettina >>> raises about cataloguing of material, I agree that it is important to >>> have >>> a coherent and shared system for classification. I don't know if any of >>> you know about or have been in contact with the wsf library - a project >>> run by NIGD and a group of Kenyan librarians? They adoped a >>> classification >>> system based on the 'actionable themes' for the 2007 forum. You can see >>> it >>> here: http://www.wsflibrary.org/index.php/Actionable_themes. Maybe this >>> can form a basis for discussion? >>> >>> I also think the project of gathering together in one place of past WSF >>> memory is very important. Bettina - are you suggesting developing a >>> dedicated site for this? >>> >>> I think both a 'future' and 'past' memory based on documents of all sorts >>> is important, and yes, we do need to somehow systematize and bring >>> together the different proposals. It seems there wasn't really a deadline >>> on the 15th after all so we do have some more time... >>> >>> Bye for now, >>> in solidarity, >>> Hilde >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, July 15, 2009 7:56 pm, bettina gozzano wrote: >>> > PROPOSAL FOR MEMORY ARCHIVE >>> > Hallo to everybody, >>> > I know earlier today there was supposed to be the weekly chat...! >>> > reading the last mails around wsf memory, and the very long project >>> > proposed by sergio ( sorry, i could not read it all, also becouse of >>> the >>> > language!) I am a little worried to see that a lot of enphasis is >>> given >>> > to memory of the future, but almost no concern about memory of the >>> past! >>> > Our group coordinator (Hilde ) is missing and no body pushed us to >>> > produce a coordinated, partecipated and inclusive memory project that >>> has >>> > sense and that follows the given guidelines. I think we should all give >>> a >>> > look again at Norma's document about Memory of WSF she has sent some >>> > time ago, wich I think is the basis for a memory archive project we >>> should >>> > consider. Today is supposed to be the deadline for presenting all >>> groups >>> > projects+budgets; so far the memoryGT has not presented something >>> organic >>> > and inclusive work. I have sent some thoughts and ideas through the >>> mail >>> > but i do not know if anyone has read it. >>> > >>> > The only things I have seen is about the future memory; sergio's >>> memory >>> > project wich is , in a way, for me not exactly a wsf memory recording, >>> > but more an idea for monitoring what people feel wsf process is...?The >>> > idea is good, but doesn't seem to me a wsf memory thing; I am >>> skepticale >>> > about asking such big financing request for something that is really >>> good >>> > as a museum activity that could, at the end, bedonated to wsf process, >>> > and not viceversa. >>> > >>> > I think we need to consider 2 aspects of memory: >>> > tha past and the future: >>> > >>> > the PAST, which is to be mapped, collected, and possible edited. How >>> much >>> > time and eventually money is needed is difficult to say, since it >>> > depends on the amount of material. Most of it will need to be copied >>> and >>> > sent to who will catalouge and edit it. It may even be possible that >>> some >>> > material has to be joined fisically, wich may mean travel expences. All >>> > groups that produce video ( but all sorts of wsf documentation can be >>> > included) should start mapping and share their lists of available >>> memory >>> > material , and also start loading their material in one and only wsf >>> > database ( for video is supposed to be wsftv.net), this way all >>> material >>> > are collected in one container and is available to all at once ( also >>> for >>> > a possible consultation space on pc of all memory material at future >>> sf) >>> > >>> > >>> > For the FUTURE, I think it is quite easy to say that for each forum >>> event >>> > , >>> > together with the forum organization commitee, should have a number of >>> > people working at collecting the memory; the number of people depends >>> on >>> > the type of event. For this, a number of crews also with local people >>> > involved ( for video each crew should be of 2 people) have to make sure >>> > that the sf is covered (video, radio, text) as much as possible, >>> following >>> > key plenaries, some thematic working groups, interviewing key and >>> common >>> > people. >>> > >>> > >>> > Meantime a catalogation strategy should be studied in order to be able >>> to >>> > easely pick out from the common database what one is searching. I >>> think >>> > we have to find/decide few main macro areas of contents (max 10?) which >>> > are words that together with date+place+event where the material has >>> been >>> > taken+ kind of material (video, txt, audio, still image) + language of >>> > transaltion, are going to be the tags for extracting the contents of >>> > interest. Each of these elements are to be catalogued with a specific >>> > rule that has to be given, like to fill in all its parts in a pre >>> > ordinated form ( the wsftv one has to be worked on). >>> > >>> > >>> > Thank you for your attention >>> > another world is possible! besos Bettina >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Archive: >>> > >>> http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/lists/memory-documen >>> > tationwg/archive/2009/07/1247684632046 To unsubscribe send an email >>> with >>> > subject "unsubscribe" to memory-documentationWG@.... >>> > Please contact memory-documentationWG-manager@... for >>> > questions. >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Archive: >>> http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/lists/memory-documentationwg/archive/2009/07/1247848919001 >>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >>> memory-documentationWG@.... Please contact >>> memory-documentationWG-manager@... for questions. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1248118216646<http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/lists/memory-documentationwg/archive/2009/07/1248118216646> >> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >> memory-documentationWG@.... Please contact >> memory-documentationWG-manager@... for questions. >> > > > > -- > Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1248123586662<http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/lists/memory-documentationwg/archive/2009/07/1248123586662> > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to > memory-documentationWG@.... Please contact > memory-documentationWG-manager@... for questions. >
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Dear Bettina That's strange you couldn't access wsflibrary, I have just tried it and it seems ok. Try again with this link: http://www.wsflibrary.org/index.php/Wsflibrary.org You should find a link to the 'actionable themes' on the left. I had completely forgotten about the little piece I wrote about classification before, thanks for reminding me! I know Mikael Book, who is part of the wsflibrary has written an article about the actionable themes, I will see if I can find it for you. Best wishes Hilde On Mon, July 20, 2009 8:29 pm, bettina gozzano wrote: > dear Hilde, dear all, I've tried to link up with wsflibrary but it seems > it is not online anymore.?. through google I found out that on open.net you > have allready raised wsf text memory/documentation issue.: > > http://openesf.net/projects/documentation-esf-2008/lists/documentation-es > f-2008-discussion/archive/2008/07/1217341813240/forum_view > > > I'd like to know more about the 21 actionable themes ( i'll try to find > something on www.open.net, but as you said about process.net, opent.net > has the same problem). I will not partecipte to comcom wendsday chat as > usual, and on july 30 my holidays begin. good summer to everyone! ciao > bettina > > > > > > 2009/7/17 Hilde C Stephansen <so703hs@...> > > >> Dear Bettina, dear all >> >> >> First of all, apologies for my absence in the last few days, as I said >> in my previous email I was away for a few days, I got back too late on >> Wednesday to participate in the chat. Then I have been overwhelmed with >> work in the last couple of days. >> >> This is just a very quick reply for now. Regarding the point Bettina >> raises about cataloguing of material, I agree that it is important to >> have a coherent and shared system for classification. I don't know if >> any of you know about or have been in contact with the wsf library - a >> project run by NIGD and a group of Kenyan librarians? They adoped a >> classification system based on the 'actionable themes' for the 2007 >> forum. You can see it here: >> http://www.wsflibrary.org/index.php/Actionable_themes. Maybe this >> can form a basis for discussion? >> >> I also think the project of gathering together in one place of past WSF >> memory is very important. Bettina - are you suggesting developing a >> dedicated site for this? >> >> I think both a 'future' and 'past' memory based on documents of all >> sorts is important, and yes, we do need to somehow systematize and bring >> together the different proposals. It seems there wasn't really a >> deadline on the 15th after all so we do have some more time... >> >> Bye for now, >> in solidarity, Hilde >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, July 15, 2009 7:56 pm, bettina gozzano wrote: >> >>> PROPOSAL FOR MEMORY ARCHIVE >>> Hallo to everybody, >>> I know earlier today there was supposed to be the weekly chat...! >>> reading the last mails around wsf memory, and the very long project >>> proposed by sergio ( sorry, i could not read it all, also becouse of >>> the language!) I am a little worried to see that a lot of enphasis is >>> given to memory of the future, but almost no concern about memory of >>> the past! Our group coordinator (Hilde ) is missing and no body pushed >>> us to produce a coordinated, partecipated and inclusive memory project >>> that has sense and that follows the given guidelines. I think we >>> should all give a look again at Norma's document about Memory of WSF >>> she has sent some time ago, wich I think is the basis for a memory >>> archive project we >> should >>> consider. Today is supposed to be the deadline for presenting all >>> groups projects+budgets; so far the memoryGT has not presented >>> something organic and inclusive work. I have sent some thoughts and >>> ideas through the mail but i do not know if anyone has read it. >>> >>> The only things I have seen is about the future memory; sergio's >>> memory project wich is , in a way, for me not exactly a wsf memory >>> recording, but more an idea for monitoring what people feel wsf >>> process is...?The idea is good, but doesn't seem to me a wsf memory >>> thing; I am skepticale about asking such big financing request for >>> something that is really good as a museum activity that could, at the >>> end, bedonated to wsf process, and not viceversa. >>> >>> I think we need to consider 2 aspects of memory: >>> tha past and the future: >>> >>> the PAST, which is to be mapped, collected, and possible edited. How >>> much time and eventually money is needed is difficult to say, since it >>> depends on the amount of material. Most of it will need to be copied >>> and sent to who will catalouge and edit it. It may even be possible >>> that >> some >>> material has to be joined fisically, wich may mean travel expences. >>> All >>> groups that produce video ( but all sorts of wsf documentation can be >>> included) should start mapping and share their lists of available >>> memory material , and also start loading their material in one and >>> only wsf database ( for video is supposed to be wsftv.net), this way >>> all material are collected in one container and is available to all at >>> once ( also for a possible consultation space on pc of all memory >>> material at future sf) >>> >>> >>> For the FUTURE, I think it is quite easy to say that for each forum >>> event , >>> together with the forum organization commitee, should have a number of >>> people working at collecting the memory; the number of people >>> depends on the type of event. For this, a number of crews also with >>> local people involved ( for video each crew should be of 2 people) >>> have to make sure that the sf is covered (video, radio, text) as much >>> as possible, >> following >>> key plenaries, some thematic working groups, interviewing key and >>> common people. >>> >>> >>> Meantime a catalogation strategy should be studied in order to be >>> able to easely pick out from the common database what one is >>> searching. I think we have to find/decide few main macro areas of >>> contents (max 10?) which are words that together with date+place+event >>> where the material has been taken+ kind of material (video, txt, >>> audio, still image) + language of transaltion, are going to be the >>> tags for extracting the contents of interest. Each of these elements >>> are to be catalogued with a specific rule that has to be given, like >>> to fill in all its parts in a pre ordinated form ( the wsftv one has >>> to be worked on). >>> >>> >>> Thank you for your attention >>> another world is possible! besos Bettina >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Archive: >>> >>> >> http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/lists/memory-docum >> en >>> tationwg/archive/2009/07/1247684632046 To unsubscribe send an email >>> with subject "unsubscribe" to >>> memory-documentationWG@.... Please contact >>> memory-documentationWG-manager@... for questions. >>> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Archive: >> http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/lists/memory-docume >> ntationwg/archive/2009/07/1247848919001 To unsubscribe send an email >> with subject "unsubscribe" to memory-documentationWG@.... >> Please contact >> memory-documentationWG-manager@... for questions. >> > > > -- > Archive: > http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/lists/memory-documen > tationwg/archive/2009/07/1248118216646 To unsubscribe send an email with > subject "unsubscribe" to memory-documentationWG@.... > Please contact memory-documentationWG-manager@... for > questions. >
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Dear Hilde, this time I manage! maybe it was just a server problem the other day!gouing through it quickly, I think it is a good basis to sart discussion about it, personally , so far I dont mind at all this: 1. Water, Environment and Energy 2. Democracy and institutions 3. Peace and war 4. Habitat 5. Gender struggles 6. Dignity, cultural diversity and Discrimination 7. Human rights 8. Youth and Children 9. Food Security and Land reform 10. Labour 11. Education 12. Health 13. Knowledge, Information and communication 14. Taxation, debt, Public finance and Alternative economy 15. Migration 16. Trade and transnational Corporation what do other think about it? ciao bettina 2009/7/21 Hilde C Stephansen <so703hs@...> > Dear Bettina > > That's strange you couldn't access wsflibrary, I have just tried it and it > seems ok. Try again with this link: > http://www.wsflibrary.org/index.php/Wsflibrary.org > You should find a link to the 'actionable themes' on the left. > > I had completely forgotten about the little piece I wrote about > classification before, thanks for reminding me! > > I know Mikael Book, who is part of the wsflibrary has written an article > about the actionable themes, I will see if I can find it for you. > > Best wishes > Hilde > > On Mon, July 20, 2009 8:29 pm, bettina gozzano wrote: > > dear Hilde, dear all, I've tried to link up with wsflibrary but it seems > > it is not online anymore.?. through google I found out that on open.netyou > > have allready raised wsf text memory/documentation issue.: > > > > > http://openesf.net/projects/documentation-esf-2008/lists/documentation-es > > f-2008-discussion/archive/2008/07/1217341813240/forum_view > > > > > > I'd like to know more about the 21 actionable themes ( i'll try to find > > something on www.open.net, but as you said about process.net, opent.net > > has the same problem). I will not partecipte to comcom wendsday chat as > > usual, and on july 30 my holidays begin. good summer to everyone! ciao > > bettina > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/7/17 Hilde C Stephansen <so703hs@...> > > > > > >> Dear Bettina, dear all > >> > >> > >> First of all, apologies for my absence in the last few days, as I said > >> in my previous email I was away for a few days, I got back too late on > >> Wednesday to participate in the chat. Then I have been overwhelmed with > >> work in the last couple of days. > >> > >> This is just a very quick reply for now. Regarding the point Bettina > >> raises about cataloguing of material, I agree that it is important to > >> have a coherent and shared system for classification. I don't know if > >> any of you know about or have been in contact with the wsf library - a > >> project run by NIGD and a group of Kenyan librarians? They adoped a > >> classification system based on the 'actionable themes' for the 2007 > >> forum. You can see it here: > >> http://www.wsflibrary.org/index.php/Actionable_themes. Maybe this > >> can form a basis for discussion? > >> > >> I also think the project of gathering together in one place of past WSF > >> memory is very important. Bettina - are you suggesting developing a > >> dedicated site for this? > >> > >> I think both a 'future' and 'past' memory based on documents of all > >> sorts is important, and yes, we do need to somehow systematize and bring > >> together the different proposals. It seems there wasn't really a > >> deadline on the 15th after all so we do have some more time... > >> > >> Bye for now, > >> in solidarity, Hilde > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, July 15, 2009 7:56 pm, bettina gozzano wrote: > >> > >>> PROPOSAL FOR MEMORY ARCHIVE > >>> Hallo to everybody, > >>> I know earlier today there was supposed to be the weekly chat...! > >>> reading the last mails around wsf memory, and the very long project > >>> proposed by sergio ( sorry, i could not read it all, also becouse of > >>> the language!) I am a little worried to see that a lot of enphasis is > >>> given to memory of the future, but almost no concern about memory of > >>> the past! Our group coordinator (Hilde ) is missing and no body pushed > >>> us to produce a coordinated, partecipated and inclusive memory project > >>> that has sense and that follows the given guidelines. I think we > >>> should all give a look again at Norma's document about Memory of WSF > >>> she has sent some time ago, wich I think is the basis for a memory > >>> archive project we > >> should > >>> consider. Today is supposed to be the deadline for presenting all > >>> groups projects+budgets; so far the memoryGT has not presented > >>> something organic and inclusive work. I have sent some thoughts and > >>> ideas through the mail but i do not know if anyone has read it. > >>> > >>> The only things I have seen is about the future memory; sergio's > >>> memory project wich is , in a way, for me not exactly a wsf memory > >>> recording, but more an idea for monitoring what people feel wsf > >>> process is...?The idea is good, but doesn't seem to me a wsf memory > >>> thing; I am skepticale about asking such big financing request for > >>> something that is really good as a museum activity that could, at the > >>> end, bedonated to wsf process, and not viceversa. > >>> > >>> I think we need to consider 2 aspects of memory: > >>> tha past and the future: > >>> > >>> the PAST, which is to be mapped, collected, and possible edited. How > >>> much time and eventually money is needed is difficult to say, since it > >>> depends on the amount of material. Most of it will need to be copied > >>> and sent to who will catalouge and edit it. It may even be possible > >>> that > >> some > >>> material has to be joined fisically, wich may mean travel expences. > >>> All > >>> groups that produce video ( but all sorts of wsf documentation can be > >>> included) should start mapping and share their lists of available > >>> memory material , and also start loading their material in one and > >>> only wsf database ( for video is supposed to be wsftv.net), this way > >>> all material are collected in one container and is available to all at > >>> once ( also for a possible consultation space on pc of all memory > >>> material at future sf) > >>> > >>> > >>> For the FUTURE, I think it is quite easy to say that for each forum > >>> event , > >>> together with the forum organization commitee, should have a number of > >>> people working at collecting the memory; the number of people > >>> depends on the type of event. For this, a number of crews also with > >>> local people involved ( for video each crew should be of 2 people) > >>> have to make sure that the sf is covered (video, radio, text) as much > >>> as possible, > >> following > >>> key plenaries, some thematic working groups, interviewing key and > >>> common people. > >>> > >>> > >>> Meantime a catalogation strategy should be studied in order to be > >>> able to easely pick out from the common database what one is > >>> searching. I think we have to find/decide few main macro areas of > >>> contents (max 10?) which are words that together with date+place+event > >>> where the material has been taken+ kind of material (video, txt, > >>> audio, still image) + language of transaltion, are going to be the > >>> tags for extracting the contents of interest. Each of these elements > >>> are to be catalogued with a specific rule that has to be given, like > >>> to fill in all its parts in a pre ordinated form ( the wsftv one has > >>> to be worked on). > >>> > >>> > >>> Thank you for your attention > >>> another world is possible! besos Bettina > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Archive: > >>> > >>> > >> http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/lists/memory-docum > >> en > >>> tationwg/archive/2009/07/1247684632046 To unsubscribe send an email > >>> with subject "unsubscribe" to > >>> memory-documentationWG@.... Please contact > >>> memory-documentationWG-manager@... for questions. > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Archive: > >> > http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/lists/memory-docume > >> ntationwg/archive/2009/07/1247848919001 To unsubscribe send an email > >> with subject "unsubscribe" to memory-documentationWG@.... > >> Please contact > >> memory-documentationWG-manager@... for questions. > >> > > > > > > -- > > Archive: > > > http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/lists/memory-documen > > tationwg/archive/2009/07/1248118216646 To unsubscribe send an email with > > subject "unsubscribe" to memory-documentationWG@.... > > Please contact memory-documentationWG-manager@... for > > questions. > > > > > > > -- > Archive: > http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/lists/memory-documentationwg/archive/2009/07/1248192186220 > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to > memory-documentationWG@.... 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Dear Bettina and all here is an input on the taxonomy issue that is appearing 1/ we have the 10 objectives of the forum defined since Nairobi that stay "adopted" widely now and stand as a " common good" between us, so let us use them as a basis - they maybe not perfect but they have the uncomparable quality of being consensed in the process 2/then , once we have accumulated some concrete material , of any type, we can discuss further about taxonomy which is a challenging subject , with many options possible like : introducing sub categories inside the 10 objectives,( a bit too classical since any list can be questionned, or practising public tagging ( like in wsftv ) and trying to managthe tags to merge them if relevant and avoid pulverization ( as was attempted during GDA 2008) etc... 3 /while we discuss issue 2, we can pragmatically take into account the existence of lists of 100+ historical keywords lists that were used in porto alegre 3 5 In mumbai 4 in polycentrics 6 and nairobi 7 sites and maybe in belem - those lists of keywords have been used by the organziers of the thousands of actiivties in those forum events , so wiht all their defects they provide a convenient way to classify the content that is linked somehow to those activities So for the PAST we can have contents that are linked to activities that are linked to those keywords that we can relate to some of the 10 objectives ...not so bad eh? thanks for feebacks and comments See you soon on line Pierre 2009/7/21 bettina gozzano <bg.64.it@...> > Dear Hilde, this time I manage! maybe it was just a server problem the > other day!gouing through it quickly, I think it is a good basis to sart > discussion about it, > personally , so far I dont mind at all this: > > 1. Water, Environment and Energy > 2. Democracy and institutions > 3. Peace and war > 4. Habitat > 5. Gender struggles > 6. Dignity, cultural diversity and Discrimination > 7. Human rights > 8. Youth and Children > 9. Food Security and Land reform > 10. Labour > 11. Education > 12. Health > 13. Knowledge, Information and communication > 14. Taxation, debt, Public finance and Alternative economy > 15. Migration > 16. Trade and transnational Corporation > > what do other think about it? > ciao > bettina > > > > 2009/7/21 Hilde C Stephansen <so703hs@...> > > Dear Bettina >> >> That's strange you couldn't access wsflibrary, I have just tried it and it >> seems ok. Try again with this link: >> http://www.wsflibrary.org/index.php/Wsflibrary.org >> You should find a link to the 'actionable themes' on the left. >> >> I had completely forgotten about the little piece I wrote about >> classification before, thanks for reminding me! >> >> I know Mikael Book, who is part of the wsflibrary has written an article >> about the actionable themes, I will see if I can find it for you. >> >> Best wishes >> Hilde >> >> On Mon, July 20, 2009 8:29 pm, bettina gozzano wrote: >> > dear Hilde, dear all, I've tried to link up with wsflibrary but it seems >> > it is not online anymore.?. through google I found out that on open.netyou >> > have allready raised wsf text memory/documentation issue.: >> > >> > >> http://openesf.net/projects/documentation-esf-2008/lists/documentation-es >> > f-2008-discussion/archive/2008/07/1217341813240/forum_view >> > >> > >> > I'd like to know more about the 21 actionable themes ( i'll try to >> find >> > something on www.open.net, but as you said about process.net, >> opent.net >> > has the same problem). I will not partecipte to comcom wendsday chat as >> > usual, and on july 30 my holidays begin. good summer to everyone! ciao >> > bettina >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > 2009/7/17 Hilde C Stephansen <so703hs@...> >> > >> > >> >> Dear Bettina, dear all >> >> >> >> >> >> First of all, apologies for my absence in the last few days, as I said >> >> in my previous email I was away for a few days, I got back too late on >> >> Wednesday to participate in the chat. Then I have been overwhelmed with >> >> work in the last couple of days. >> >> >> >> This is just a very quick reply for now. Regarding the point Bettina >> >> raises about cataloguing of material, I agree that it is important to >> >> have a coherent and shared system for classification. I don't know if >> >> any of you know about or have been in contact with the wsf library - a >> >> project run by NIGD and a group of Kenyan librarians? They adoped a >> >> classification system based on the 'actionable themes' for the 2007 >> >> forum. You can see it here: >> >> http://www.wsflibrary.org/index.php/Actionable_themes. Maybe this >> >> can form a basis for discussion? >> >> >> >> I also think the project of gathering together in one place of past WSF >> >> memory is very important. Bettina - are you suggesting developing a >> >> dedicated site for this? >> >> >> >> I think both a 'future' and 'past' memory based on documents of all >> >> sorts is important, and yes, we do need to somehow systematize and >> bring >> >> together the different proposals. It seems there wasn't really a >> >> deadline on the 15th after all so we do have some more time... >> >> >> >> Bye for now, >> >> in solidarity, Hilde >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, July 15, 2009 7:56 pm, bettina gozzano wrote: >> >> >> >>> PROPOSAL FOR MEMORY ARCHIVE >> >>> Hallo to everybody, >> >>> I know earlier today there was supposed to be the weekly chat...! >> >>> reading the last mails around wsf memory, and the very long project >> >>> proposed by sergio ( sorry, i could not read it all, also becouse of >> >>> the language!) I am a little worried to see that a lot of enphasis is >> >>> given to memory of the future, but almost no concern about memory of >> >>> the past! Our group coordinator (Hilde ) is missing and no body pushed >> >>> us to produce a coordinated, partecipated and inclusive memory project >> >>> that has sense and that follows the given guidelines. I think we >> >>> should all give a look again at Norma's document about Memory of WSF >> >>> she has sent some time ago, wich I think is the basis for a memory >> >>> archive project we >> >> should >> >>> consider. Today is supposed to be the deadline for presenting all >> >>> groups projects+budgets; so far the memoryGT has not presented >> >>> something organic and inclusive work. I have sent some thoughts and >> >>> ideas through the mail but i do not know if anyone has read it. >> >>> >> >>> The only things I have seen is about the future memory; sergio's >> >>> memory project wich is , in a way, for me not exactly a wsf memory >> >>> recording, but more an idea for monitoring what people feel wsf >> >>> process is...?The idea is good, but doesn't seem to me a wsf memory >> >>> thing; I am skepticale about asking such big financing request for >> >>> something that is really good as a museum activity that could, at the >> >>> end, bedonated to wsf process, and not viceversa. >> >>> >> >>> I think we need to consider 2 aspects of memory: >> >>> tha past and the future: >> >>> >> >>> the PAST, which is to be mapped, collected, and possible edited. How >> >>> much time and eventually money is needed is difficult to say, since it >> >>> depends on the amount of material. Most of it will need to be copied >> >>> and sent to who will catalouge and edit it. It may even be possible >> >>> that >> >> some >> >>> material has to be joined fisically, wich may mean travel expences. >> >>> All >> >>> groups that produce video ( but all sorts of wsf documentation can be >> >>> included) should start mapping and share their lists of available >> >>> memory material , and also start loading their material in one and >> >>> only wsf database ( for video is supposed to be wsftv.net), this way >> >>> all material are collected in one container and is available to all at >> >>> once ( also for a possible consultation space on pc of all memory >> >>> material at future sf) >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> For the FUTURE, I think it is quite easy to say that for each forum >> >>> event , >> >>> together with the forum organization commitee, should have a number of >> >>> people working at collecting the memory; the number of people >> >>> depends on the type of event. For this, a number of crews also with >> >>> local people involved ( for video each crew should be of 2 people) >> >>> have to make sure that the sf is covered (video, radio, text) as much >> >>> as possible, >> >> following >> >>> key plenaries, some thematic working groups, interviewing key and >> >>> common people. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Meantime a catalogation strategy should be studied in order to be >> >>> able to easely pick out from the common database what one is >> >>> searching. I think we have to find/decide few main macro areas of >> >>> contents (max 10?) which are words that together with date+place+event >> >>> where the material has been taken+ kind of material (video, txt, >> >>> audio, still image) + language of transaltion, are going to be the >> >>> tags for extracting the contents of interest. Each of these elements >> >>> are to be catalogued with a specific rule that has to be given, like >> >>> to fill in all its parts in a pre ordinated form ( the wsftv one has >> >>> to be worked on). >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Thank you for your attention >> >>> another world is possible! besos Bettina >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Archive: >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/lists/memory-docum >> >> en >> >>> tationwg/archive/2009/07/1247684632046 To unsubscribe send an email >> >>> with subject "unsubscribe" to >> >>> memory-documentationWG@.... Please contact >> >>> memory-documentationWG-manager@... for questions. >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Archive: >> >> >> http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/lists/memory-docume >> >> ntationwg/archive/2009/07/1247848919001 To unsubscribe send an email >> >> with subject "unsubscribe" to memory-documentationWG@... >> . >> >> Please contact >> >> memory-documentationWG-manager@... for questions. >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Archive: >> > >> http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/lists/memory-documen >> > tationwg/archive/2009/07/1248118216646 To unsubscribe send an email with >> > subject "unsubscribe" to memory-documentationWG@.... >> > Please contact memory-documentationWG-manager@... for >> > questions. >> > >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Archive: >> http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/lists/memory-documentationwg/archive/2009/07/1248192186220 >> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >> memory-documentationWG@.... 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pierre, would you please send us the list of 10 objectives of the forum defined since Nairobi? thanks bettina 2009/7/22 Pierre George <pierregrg@...> > Dear Bettina and all > > here is an input on the taxonomy issue that is appearing > > 1/ we have the 10 objectives of the forum defined since Nairobi that stay > "adopted" widely now and stand as a " common good" between us, so let us > use them as a basis - they maybe not perfect but they have the > uncomparable quality of being consensed in the process > > 2/then , once we have accumulated some concrete material , of any type, we > can discuss further about taxonomy which is a challenging subject , > with many options possible like : introducing sub categories inside the 10 > objectives,( a bit too classical since any list can be questionned, or > practising public tagging ( like in wsftv ) and trying to managthe tags to > merge them if relevant and avoid pulverization ( as was attempted during > GDA 2008) etc... > > 3 /while we discuss issue 2, we can pragmatically take into account the > existence of lists of 100+ historical keywords lists that were used in > porto alegre 3 5 In mumbai 4 in polycentrics 6 and nairobi 7 sites and > maybe in belem > - those lists of keywords have been used by the organziers of the > thousands of actiivties in those forum events , so wiht all their defects > they provide a convenient way to classify the content that is linked somehow > to those activities > So for the PAST we can have contents that are linked to activities that > are linked to those keywords that we can relate to some of the 10 objectives > ...not so bad eh? > > thanks for feebacks and comments > > See you soon on line > Pierre > > 2009/7/21 bettina gozzano <bg.64.it@...> > >> Dear Hilde, this time I manage! maybe it was just a server problem the >> other day!gouing through it quickly, I think it is a good basis to sart >> discussion about it, >> personally , so far I dont mind at all this: >> >> 1. Water, Environment and Energy >> 2. Democracy and institutions >> 3. Peace and war >> 4. Habitat >> 5. Gender struggles >> 6. Dignity, cultural diversity and Discrimination >> 7. Human rights >> 8. Youth and Children >> 9. Food Security and Land reform >> 10. Labour >> 11. Education >> 12. Health >> 13. Knowledge, Information and communication >> 14. Taxation, debt, Public finance and Alternative economy >> 15. Migration >> 16. Trade and transnational Corporation >> >> what do other think about it? >> ciao >> bettina >> >> >> >> 2009/7/21 Hilde C Stephansen <so703hs@...> >> >> Dear Bettina >>> >>> That's strange you couldn't access wsflibrary, I have just tried it and >>> it >>> seems ok. Try again with this link: >>> http://www.wsflibrary.org/index.php/Wsflibrary.org >>> You should find a link to the 'actionable themes' on the left. >>> >>> I had completely forgotten about the little piece I wrote about >>> classification before, thanks for reminding me! >>> >>> I know Mikael Book, who is part of the wsflibrary has written an article >>> about the actionable themes, I will see if I can find it for you. >>> >>> Best wishes >>> Hilde >>> >>> On Mon, July 20, 2009 8:29 pm, bettina gozzano wrote: >>> > dear Hilde, dear all, I've tried to link up with wsflibrary but it >>> seems >>> > it is not online anymore.?. through google I found out that on >>> open.net you >>> > have allready raised wsf text memory/documentation issue.: >>> > >>> > >>> http://openesf.net/projects/documentation-esf-2008/lists/documentation-es >>> > f-2008-discussion/archive/2008/07/1217341813240/forum_view >>> > >>> > >>> > I'd like to know more about the 21 actionable themes ( i'll try to >>> find >>> > something on www.open.net, but as you said about process.net, >>> opent.net >>> > has the same problem). I will not partecipte to comcom wendsday chat as >>> > usual, and on july 30 my holidays begin. good summer to everyone! ciao >>> > bettina >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > 2009/7/17 Hilde C Stephansen <so703hs@...> >>> > >>> > >>> >> Dear Bettina, dear all >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> First of all, apologies for my absence in the last few days, as I said >>> >> in my previous email I was away for a few days, I got back too late on >>> >> Wednesday to participate in the chat. Then I have been overwhelmed >>> with >>> >> work in the last couple of days. >>> >> >>> >> This is just a very quick reply for now. Regarding the point Bettina >>> >> raises about cataloguing of material, I agree that it is important to >>> >> have a coherent and shared system for classification. I don't know if >>> >> any of you know about or have been in contact with the wsf library - a >>> >> project run by NIGD and a group of Kenyan librarians? They adoped a >>> >> classification system based on the 'actionable themes' for the 2007 >>> >> forum. You can see it here: >>> >> http://www.wsflibrary.org/index.php/Actionable_themes. Maybe this >>> >> can form a basis for discussion? >>> >> >>> >> I also think the project of gathering together in one place of past >>> WSF >>> >> memory is very important. Bettina - are you suggesting developing a >>> >> dedicated site for this? >>> >> >>> >> I think both a 'future' and 'past' memory based on documents of all >>> >> sorts is important, and yes, we do need to somehow systematize and >>> bring >>> >> together the different proposals. It seems there wasn't really a >>> >> deadline on the 15th after all so we do have some more time... >>> >> >>> >> Bye for now, >>> >> in solidarity, Hilde >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, July 15, 2009 7:56 pm, bettina gozzano wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> PROPOSAL FOR MEMORY ARCHIVE >>> >>> Hallo to everybody, >>> >>> I know earlier today there was supposed to be the weekly chat...! >>> >>> reading the last mails around wsf memory, and the very long project >>> >>> proposed by sergio ( sorry, i could not read it all, also becouse of >>> >>> the language!) I am a little worried to see that a lot of enphasis >>> is >>> >>> given to memory of the future, but almost no concern about memory of >>> >>> the past! Our group coordinator (Hilde ) is missing and no body >>> pushed >>> >>> us to produce a coordinated, partecipated and inclusive memory >>> project >>> >>> that has sense and that follows the given guidelines. I think we >>> >>> should all give a look again at Norma's document about Memory of WSF >>> >>> she has sent some time ago, wich I think is the basis for a memory >>> >>> archive project we >>> >> should >>> >>> consider. Today is supposed to be the deadline for presenting all >>> >>> groups projects+budgets; so far the memoryGT has not presented >>> >>> something organic and inclusive work. I have sent some thoughts and >>> >>> ideas through the mail but i do not know if anyone has read it. >>> >>> >>> >>> The only things I have seen is about the future memory; sergio's >>> >>> memory project wich is , in a way, for me not exactly a wsf memory >>> >>> recording, but more an idea for monitoring what people feel wsf >>> >>> process is...?The idea is good, but doesn't seem to me a wsf memory >>> >>> thing; I am skepticale about asking such big financing request for >>> >>> something that is really good as a museum activity that could, at the >>> >>> end, bedonated to wsf process, and not viceversa. >>> >>> >>> >>> I think we need to consider 2 aspects of memory: >>> >>> tha past and the future: >>> >>> >>> >>> the PAST, which is to be mapped, collected, and possible edited. How >>> >>> much time and eventually money is needed is difficult to say, since >>> it >>> >>> depends on the amount of material. Most of it will need to be copied >>> >>> and sent to who will catalouge and edit it. It may even be possible >>> >>> that >>> >> some >>> >>> material has to be joined fisically, wich may mean travel expences. >>> >>> All >>> >>> groups that produce video ( but all sorts of wsf documentation can be >>> >>> included) should start mapping and share their lists of available >>> >>> memory material , and also start loading their material in one and >>> >>> only wsf database ( for video is supposed to be wsftv.net), this way >>> >>> all material are collected in one container and is available to all >>> at >>> >>> once ( also for a possible consultation space on pc of all memory >>> >>> material at future sf) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> For the FUTURE, I think it is quite easy to say that for each forum >>> >>> event , >>> >>> together with the forum organization commitee, should have a number >>> of >>> >>> people working at collecting the memory; the number of people >>> >>> depends on the type of event. For this, a number of crews also with >>> >>> local people involved ( for video each crew should be of 2 people) >>> >>> have to make sure that the sf is covered (video, radio, text) as much >>> >>> as possible, >>> >> following >>> >>> key plenaries, some thematic working groups, interviewing key and >>> >>> common people. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Meantime a catalogation strategy should be studied in order to be >>> >>> able to easely pick out from the common database what one is >>> >>> searching. I think we have to find/decide few main macro areas of >>> >>> contents (max 10?) which are words that together with >>> date+place+event >>> >>> where the material has been taken+ kind of material (video, txt, >>> >>> audio, still image) + language of transaltion, are going to be the >>> >>> tags for extracting the contents of interest. Each of these elements >>> >>> are to be catalogued with a specific rule that has to be given, like >>> >>> to fill in all its parts in a pre ordinated form ( the wsftv one has >>> >>> to be worked on). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you for your attention >>> >>> another world is possible! besos Bettina >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Archive: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/lists/memory-docum >>> >> en >>> >>> tationwg/archive/2009/07/1247684632046 To unsubscribe send an email >>> >>> with subject "unsubscribe" to >>> >>> memory-documentationWG@.... 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hello Bettina here they are Pierre http://www.forumsocialmundial.org.br/download/2008-07-29-newsletter_EN.htm 1) Defined the list of 10 action objectives for WSF 2009 participants The local Facilitation Group and members of Methodology Commission met in Belem from July 10th to 12th to evaluate the answers to the consultation process and define the action objectives for WSF 2009 participants. The Consultation about the WSF objectives was called by the WSF International Council in order to expand or adjust the current action objectives for 2009 event. All the activities (conferences, panels, seminars, workshops and others) will be organized related to those objectives. See bellow the list of 10 action objectives for activities that will happen in Belem 2009 territory. In bold characters there are the additions made to the objectives defined to WSF 2007 in Nairobi (Kenya): 1. For the construction of a world of peace, justice, ethics and respect for different spiritualities, free of weapons, especially nuclear ones; 2. For the release of the world domain *by capital*, multinationals corporations, imperialist, *patriarchal, colonial and neo-colonial*domination and unequal systems of commerce, *by canceling the impoverish countries debt*; 3. For universal and sustainable access to the common property of mankind and nature, for the preservation of our planet and its resources, particularly water, forests *and renewable energy sources*; 4. For the democratization *and independence* of knowledge, *culture and communication* and for the creation of a system of shared knowledge *and acquirement* with the dismantling of Intellectual Property Rights; 5. For the dignity, diversity, ensuring the equality of gender, race, *ethnicity, generation, sexual orientation* and elimination of all forms of discrimination and caste (discrimination based on descent); 6. 2. For ensurance (during the lifetime use of all people) of the economic, social, human, cultural and environmental rights, particularly the rights to food, health, education, housing, employment and decent work, *communication and food security and sovereignty*; 7. For the construction of a world order based on sovereignty, self-determination and on people's rights, *including minorities and migrants*; 8. For the construction of a democratic, emancipator, sustainable and solidary economy, focused on *every* people and *based on ethical and fair trade*; 9. For the construction and expansion of truly *local, national and global* democratic political *and economic* structures and institutions, with the participation of people in decisions and control of public affairs and resources; *2.For the defense of the environment (amazonic and others ecosystems) as source of life for the planet Earth and for the originary peoples of the world (indigenous, afro-descendent, tribal and riverine), that demand their territories, languages, cultures, identities, environmental justice, spiritually and right to live.* For the WSF 2009 it will be possible to register self-managed activities outside the 10 action objectives, that propose an evaluation or outlook on the anti-globalization movements and the World Social Forum process.. 2009/7/22 bettina gozzano <bg.64.it@...> > pierre, would you please send us the list of 10 objectives of the forum > defined since Nairobi? > thanks > bettina > > 2009/7/22 Pierre George <pierregrg@...> > >> Dear Bettina and all >> >> here is an input on the taxonomy issue that is appearing >> >> 1/ we have the 10 objectives of the forum defined since Nairobi that stay >> "adopted" widely now and stand as a " common good" between us, so let us >> use them as a basis - they maybe not perfect but they have the >> uncomparable quality of being consensed in the process >> >> 2/then , once we have accumulated some concrete material , of any type, >> we can discuss further about taxonomy which is a challenging subject , >> with many options possible like : introducing sub categories inside the 10 >> objectives,( a bit too classical since any list can be questionned, or >> practising public tagging ( like in wsftv ) and trying to managthe tags to >> merge them if relevant and avoid pulverization ( as was attempted during >> GDA 2008) etc... >> >> 3 /while we discuss issue 2, we can pragmatically take into account the >> existence of lists of 100+ historical keywords lists that were used in >> porto alegre 3 5 In mumbai 4 in polycentrics 6 and nairobi 7 sites and >> maybe in belem >> - those lists of keywords have been used by the organziers of the >> thousands of actiivties in those forum events , so wiht all their defects >> they provide a convenient way to classify the content that is linked somehow >> to those activities >> So for the PAST we can have contents that are linked to activities that >> are linked to those keywords that we can relate to some of the 10 objectives >> ...not so bad eh? >> >> thanks for feebacks and comments >> >> See you soon on line >> Pierre >> >> 2009/7/21 bettina gozzano <bg.64.it@...> >> >>> Dear Hilde, this time I manage! maybe it was just a server problem the >>> other day!gouing through it quickly, I think it is a good basis to sart >>> discussion about it, >>> personally , so far I dont mind at all this: >>> >>> 1. Water, Environment and Energy >>> 2. Democracy and institutions >>> 3. Peace and war >>> 4. Habitat >>> 5. Gender struggles >>> 6. Dignity, cultural diversity and Discrimination >>> 7. Human rights >>> 8. Youth and Children >>> 9. Food Security and Land reform >>> 10. Labour >>> 11. Education >>> 12. Health >>> 13. Knowledge, Information and communication >>> 14. Taxation, debt, Public finance and Alternative economy >>> 15. Migration >>> 16. Trade and transnational Corporation >>> >>> what do other think about it? >>> ciao >>> bettina >>> >>> >>> >>> 2009/7/21 Hilde C Stephansen <so703hs@...> >>> >>> Dear Bettina >>>> >>>> That's strange you couldn't access wsflibrary, I have just tried it and >>>> it >>>> seems ok. Try again with this link: >>>> http://www.wsflibrary.org/index.php/Wsflibrary.org >>>> You should find a link to the 'actionable themes' on the left. >>>> >>>> I had completely forgotten about the little piece I wrote about >>>> classification before, thanks for reminding me! >>>> >>>> I know Mikael Book, who is part of the wsflibrary has written an article >>>> about the actionable themes, I will see if I can find it for you. >>>> >>>> Best wishes >>>> Hilde >>>> >>>> On Mon, July 20, 2009 8:29 pm, bettina gozzano wrote: >>>> > dear Hilde, dear all, I've tried to link up with wsflibrary but it >>>> seems >>>> > it is not online anymore.?. through google I found out that on >>>> open.net you >>>> > have allready raised wsf text memory/documentation issue.: >>>> > >>>> > >>>> http://openesf.net/projects/documentation-esf-2008/lists/documentation-es >>>> > f-2008-discussion/archive/2008/07/1217341813240/forum_view >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > I'd like to know more about the 21 actionable themes ( i'll try to >>>> find >>>> > something on www.open.net, but as you said about process.net, >>>> opent.net >>>> > has the same problem). I will not partecipte to comcom wendsday chat >>>> as >>>> > usual, and on july 30 my holidays begin. good summer to everyone! ciao >>>> > bettina >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > 2009/7/17 Hilde C Stephansen <so703hs@...> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >> Dear Bettina, dear all >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> First of all, apologies for my absence in the last few days, as I >>>> said >>>> >> in my previous email I was away for a few days, I got back too late >>>> on >>>> >> Wednesday to participate in the chat. Then I have been overwhelmed >>>> with >>>> >> work in the last couple of days. >>>> >> >>>> >> This is just a very quick reply for now. Regarding the point Bettina >>>> >> raises about cataloguing of material, I agree that it is important to >>>> >> have a coherent and shared system for classification. I don't know if >>>> >> any of you know about or have been in contact with the wsf library - >>>> a >>>> >> project run by NIGD and a group of Kenyan librarians? They adoped a >>>> >> classification system based on the 'actionable themes' for the 2007 >>>> >> forum. You can see it here: >>>> >> http://www.wsflibrary.org/index.php/Actionable_themes. Maybe this >>>> >> can form a basis for discussion? >>>> >> >>>> >> I also think the project of gathering together in one place of past >>>> WSF >>>> >> memory is very important. Bettina - are you suggesting developing a >>>> >> dedicated site for this? >>>> >> >>>> >> I think both a 'future' and 'past' memory based on documents of all >>>> >> sorts is important, and yes, we do need to somehow systematize and >>>> bring >>>> >> together the different proposals. It seems there wasn't really a >>>> >> deadline on the 15th after all so we do have some more time... >>>> >> >>>> >> Bye for now, >>>> >> in solidarity, Hilde >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On Wed, July 15, 2009 7:56 pm, bettina gozzano wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >>> PROPOSAL FOR MEMORY ARCHIVE >>>> >>> Hallo to everybody, >>>> >>> I know earlier today there was supposed to be the weekly chat...! >>>> >>> reading the last mails around wsf memory, and the very long project >>>> >>> proposed by sergio ( sorry, i could not read it all, also becouse of >>>> >>> the language!) I am a little worried to see that a lot of enphasis >>>> is >>>> >>> given to memory of the future, but almost no concern about memory >>>> of >>>> >>> the past! Our group coordinator (Hilde ) is missing and no body >>>> pushed >>>> >>> us to produce a coordinated, partecipated and inclusive memory >>>> project >>>> >>> that has sense and that follows the given guidelines. I think we >>>> >>> should all give a look again at Norma's document about Memory of >>>> WSF >>>> >>> she has sent some time ago, wich I think is the basis for a memory >>>> >>> archive project we >>>> >> should >>>> >>> consider. Today is supposed to be the deadline for presenting all >>>> >>> groups projects+budgets; so far the memoryGT has not presented >>>> >>> something organic and inclusive work. I have sent some thoughts and >>>> >>> ideas through the mail but i do not know if anyone has read it. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> The only things I have seen is about the future memory; sergio's >>>> >>> memory project wich is , in a way, for me not exactly a wsf memory >>>> >>> recording, but more an idea for monitoring what people feel wsf >>>> >>> process is...?The idea is good, but doesn't seem to me a wsf memory >>>> >>> thing; I am skepticale about asking such big financing request for >>>> >>> something that is really good as a museum activity that could, at >>>> the >>>> >>> end, bedonated to wsf process, and not viceversa. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I think we need to consider 2 aspects of memory: >>>> >>> tha past and the future: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> the PAST, which is to be mapped, collected, and possible edited. How >>>> >>> much time and eventually money is needed is difficult to say, since >>>> it >>>> >>> depends on the amount of material. Most of it will need to be >>>> copied >>>> >>> and sent to who will catalouge and edit it. It may even be possible >>>> >>> that >>>> >> some >>>> >>> material has to be joined fisically, wich may mean travel expences. >>>> >>> All >>>> >>> groups that produce video ( but all sorts of wsf documentation can >>>> be >>>> >>> included) should start mapping and share their lists of available >>>> >>> memory material , and also start loading their material in one and >>>> >>> only wsf database ( for video is supposed to be wsftv.net), this >>>> way >>>> >>> all material are collected in one container and is available to all >>>> at >>>> >>> once ( also for a possible consultation space on pc of all memory >>>> >>> material at future sf) >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> For the FUTURE, I think it is quite easy to say that for each forum >>>> >>> event , >>>> >>> together with the forum organization commitee, should have a number >>>> of >>>> >>> people working at collecting the memory; the number of people >>>> >>> depends on the type of event. For this, a number of crews also with >>>> >>> local people involved ( for video each crew should be of 2 people) >>>> >>> have to make sure that the sf is covered (video, radio, text) as >>>> much >>>> >>> as possible, >>>> >> following >>>> >>> key plenaries, some thematic working groups, interviewing key and >>>> >>> common people. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Meantime a catalogation strategy should be studied in order to be >>>> >>> able to easely pick out from the common database what one is >>>> >>> searching. I think we have to find/decide few main macro areas of >>>> >>> contents (max 10?) which are words that together with >>>> date+place+event >>>> >>> where the material has been taken+ kind of material (video, txt, >>>> >>> audio, still image) + language of transaltion, are going to be the >>>> >>> tags for extracting the contents of interest. Each of these elements >>>> >>> are to be catalogued with a specific rule that has to be given, like >>>> >>> to fill in all its parts in a pre ordinated form ( the wsftv one has >>>> >>> to be worked on). >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Thank you for your attention >>>> >>> another world is possible! besos Bettina >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -- >>>> >>> Archive: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/lists/memory-docum >>>> >> en >>>> >>> tationwg/archive/2009/07/1247684632046 To unsubscribe send an email >>>> >>> with subject "unsubscribe" to >>>> >>> memory-documentationWG@.... Please contact >>>> >>> memory-documentationWG-manager@... for questions. >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> Archive: >>>> >> >>>> http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/lists/memory-docume >>>> >> ntationwg/archive/2009/07/1247848919001 To unsubscribe send an email >>>> >> with subject "unsubscribe" to >>>> memory-documentationWG@.... >>>> >> Please contact >>>> >> memory-documentationWG-manager@... for questions. >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Archive: >>>> > >>>> http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/lists/memory-documen >>>> > tationwg/archive/2009/07/1248118216646 To unsubscribe send an email >>>> with >>>> > subject "unsubscribe" to memory-documentationWG@.... >>>> > Please contact memory-documentationWG-manager@... for >>>> > questions. >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Archive: >>>> http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/lists/memory-documentationwg/archive/2009/07/1248192186220 >>>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >>>> memory-documentationWG@.... Please contact >>>> memory-documentationWG-manager@... for questions. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1248213358695<http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/lists/memory-documentationwg/archive/2009/07/1248213358695> >>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >>> memory-documentationWG@.... Please contact >>> memory-documentationWG-manager@... for questions. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1248265575022<http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/lists/memory-documentationwg/archive/2009/07/1248265575022> >> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >> memory-documentationWG@.... 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Dear friends Tomorrow I join you at the eekly chat I am happy because of the variety of sugestion and possibilities for the WSF Memory I ask you to remember that we also need to start the Memory of the last 10 years of WSF by the Oral Histores of People that were part of its process. And we really need to start the tools and websites debate inside the Technological WG, in order to attend all the projects Seee you tomorrow (from Belém) Rita Citando Hilde C Stephansen <so703hs@...>: > Dear Bettina > > That's strange you couldn't access wsflibrary, I have just tried it and it > seems ok. Try again with this link: > http://www.wsflibrary.org/index.php/Wsflibrary.org > You should find a link to the 'actionable themes' on the left. > > I had completely forgotten about the little piece I wrote about > classification before, thanks for reminding me! > > I know Mikael Book, who is part of the wsflibrary has written an article > about the actionable themes, I will see if I can find it for you. > > Best wishes > Hilde > > On Mon, July 20, 2009 8:29 pm, bettina gozzano wrote: >> dear Hilde, dear all, I've tried to link up with wsflibrary but it seems >> it is not online anymore.?. through google I found out that on open.net you >> have allready raised wsf text memory/documentation issue.: >> >> http://openesf.net/projects/documentation-esf-2008/lists/documentation-es >> f-2008-discussion/archive/2008/07/1217341813240/forum_view >> >> >> I'd like to know more about the 21 actionable themes ( i'll try to find >> something on www.open.net, but as you said about process.net, opent.net >> has the same problem). I will not partecipte to comcom wendsday chat as >> usual, and on july 30 my holidays begin. good summer to everyone! ciao >> bettina >> >> >> >> >> >> 2009/7/17 Hilde C Stephansen <so703hs@...> >> >> >>> Dear Bettina, dear all >>> >>> >>> First of all, apologies for my absence in the last few days, as I said >>> in my previous email I was away for a few days, I got back too late on >>> Wednesday to participate in the chat. Then I have been overwhelmed with >>> work in the last couple of days. >>> >>> This is just a very quick reply for now. Regarding the point Bettina >>> raises about cataloguing of material, I agree that it is important to >>> have a coherent and shared system for classification. I don't know if >>> any of you know about or have been in contact with the wsf library - a >>> project run by NIGD and a group of Kenyan librarians? They adoped a >>> classification system based on the 'actionable themes' for the 2007 >>> forum. You can see it here: >>> http://www.wsflibrary.org/index.php/Actionable_themes. Maybe this >>> can form a basis for discussion? >>> >>> I also think the project of gathering together in one place of past WSF >>> memory is very important. Bettina - are you suggesting developing a >>> dedicated site for this? >>> >>> I think both a 'future' and 'past' memory based on documents of all >>> sorts is important, and yes, we do need to somehow systematize and bring >>> together the different proposals. It seems there wasn't really a >>> deadline on the 15th after all so we do have some more time... >>> >>> Bye for now, >>> in solidarity, Hilde >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, July 15, 2009 7:56 pm, bettina gozzano wrote: >>> >>>> PROPOSAL FOR MEMORY ARCHIVE >>>> Hallo to everybody, >>>> I know earlier today there was supposed to be the weekly chat...! >>>> reading the last mails around wsf memory, and the very long project >>>> proposed by sergio ( sorry, i could not read it all, also becouse of >>>> the language!) I am a little worried to see that a lot of enphasis is >>>> given to memory of the future, but almost no concern about memory of >>>> the past! Our group coordinator (Hilde ) is missing and no body pushed >>>> us to produce a coordinated, partecipated and inclusive memory project >>>> that has sense and that follows the given guidelines. I think we >>>> should all give a look again at Norma's document about Memory of WSF >>>> she has sent some time ago, wich I think is the basis for a memory >>>> archive project we >>> should >>>> consider. Today is supposed to be the deadline for presenting all >>>> groups projects+budgets; so far the memoryGT has not presented >>>> something organic and inclusive work. I have sent some thoughts and >>>> ideas through the mail but i do not know if anyone has read it. >>>> >>>> The only things I have seen is about the future memory; sergio's >>>> memory project wich is , in a way, for me not exactly a wsf memory >>>> recording, but more an idea for monitoring what people feel wsf >>>> process is...?The idea is good, but doesn't seem to me a wsf memory >>>> thing; I am skepticale about asking such big financing request for >>>> something that is really good as a museum activity that could, at the >>>> end, bedonated to wsf process, and not viceversa. >>>> >>>> I think we need to consider 2 aspects of memory: >>>> tha past and the future: >>>> >>>> the PAST, which is to be mapped, collected, and possible edited. How >>>> much time and eventually money is needed is difficult to say, since it >>>> depends on the amount of material. Most of it will need to be copied >>>> and sent to who will catalouge and edit it. It may even be possible >>>> that >>> some >>>> material has to be joined fisically, wich may mean travel expences. >>>> All >>>> groups that produce video ( but all sorts of wsf documentation can be >>>> included) should start mapping and share their lists of available >>>> memory material , and also start loading their material in one and >>>> only wsf database ( for video is supposed to be wsftv.net), this way >>>> all material are collected in one container and is available to all at >>>> once ( also for a possible consultation space on pc of all memory >>>> material at future sf) >>>> >>>> >>>> For the FUTURE, I think it is quite easy to say that for each forum >>>> event , >>>> together with the forum organization commitee, should have a number of >>>> people working at collecting the memory; the number of people >>>> depends on the type of event. For this, a number of crews also with >>>> local people involved ( for video each crew should be of 2 people) >>>> have to make sure that the sf is covered (video, radio, text) as much >>>> as possible, >>> following >>>> key plenaries, some thematic working groups, interviewing key and >>>> common people. >>>> >>>> >>>> Meantime a catalogation strategy should be studied in order to be >>>> able to easely pick out from the common database what one is >>>> searching. I think we have to find/decide few main macro areas of >>>> contents (max 10?) which are words that together with date+place+event >>>> where the material has been taken+ kind of material (video, txt, >>>> audio, still image) + language of transaltion, are going to be the >>>> tags for extracting the contents of interest. Each of these elements >>>> are to be catalogued with a specific rule that has to be given, like >>>> to fill in all its parts in a pre ordinated form ( the wsftv one has >>>> to be worked on). >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you for your attention >>>> another world is possible! besos Bettina >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Archive: >>>> >>>> >>> http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/lists/memory-docum >>> en >>>> tationwg/archive/2009/07/1247684632046 To unsubscribe send an email >>>> with subject "unsubscribe" to >>>> memory-documentationWG@.... 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