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minutas cs 17 sept 09
last modified September 17, 2009 by facilitfsm
Chat comcom 16 septiembre
Plan
How and about what to prepare on line the montreal comcom participation ?
Securing a slot on communication in agenda of ic
Need a meeting for a discussion on objectives and criterias for prioritizing projects
Una Lista de objectivos de comunicacion– para preparar debate en CI?
Que es Noticia /imagen del fsm este ano ¿
the way to work for comcom in 2010
next date extra meeting – next wednesday shift one hour later
Starting a List of projects to be assessed along criterias to be discussed in a next meeting
Starting of Chat
[18:02:46] Norma : Hola, ya están?
[18:05:23] Pierre: hola i see hilde on line and Jason and rita
[18:24:01] Jason: Hola ! Who is here? Can you confirm your presence saying hello?
[18:30:28] Rita : hi
[18:30:51] Norma : Yo estoy
[18:31:37] Rita : I am on phone call, following you
[18:32:14] Pierre: vamos devagar ... mas facil para seguir nos ;)
[18:34:19] Hilde : hello
[18:35:46] Mariana : Hi, I'm here!
[18:36:00] Pierre: we are 6 comenzamos?
[18:40:08] Jason: Hindi, Igor, Meena, Sally, Bia, Monica, are you attending the meeting? Anyone else?
[18:40:55] sergio : Estou presente por pouco tempo pois entrarei em um atividade dentro de instantes.Poderei ler para acompanhar mas não consiguirei escrever muito.
Agenda
[18:45:05] Jason: Proposed agenda:
1. IC Montreal meeting preparation (20 min.) ( covered)
2. WSF2010 update - contacts with the organising committees (20 min.) ( not covered)
3. Comcom shared projects (30 min.) (not covered )
Update on dynamics around newsletter/bulletin
[18:48:09] Jason: Can we start? Maybe an update from Mariana on the newsletter and website update work could be a good introduction...
[18:48:42] Mariana : Ok! I'm just working on it now...
Website has been updated in the 4 idioms... newsletters have been sent in the 4 idioms too...
We're trying to have the newsletter twice a month..this will be the second... I'll try to have it ready for monday...but it's not so easy... information don't depends just on me... translations take lot of time too...
There's something great that must be mentioned... the collaboration of the practical info group (and of my partners in the Office.. Helio and Andre) has been very important
[18:52:13] Jason: Have you been able to find the reference people for all the events?
[18:52:50] Mariana : you mean for the news of these bulletins? yes, but I didn't have many answers yet...
I'm working on the infos I have already and waiting for more...In any case, I think we have already many topic for this newsletter... if all infos do not come on time, we can leave them for the next newsletter...that must be sent in beginning October... I hope! (before leaving to Montreal)
[18:55:46] Pierre: yes ... a rhythm of twice a month is demanding more news
we probably need to develop participation of more organizations having " antennas " in various continental processes ( that reminds of the contact initiated in Rabat ic )
http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/interest-indication-indicaciones-de-interes
[18:57:44] Mariana : I think it's very positive to get as much news as possible... but we must take care to don't put too much info in the newsletter (I think the last one, for exemple, had too much)...having it twice a month, we can distribute better the news...
ok? ;)
[18:59:27] Pierre: Also it is worth mentioning that in the last bulletin, there is an item " wsf on line" were news can be given on comcom tools and projects
[19:00:04] Mariana : ok
[18:59:14] Jason: ok - this discussion can be continued in the practical info group... where other people are invited (especially from other continents)...
[18:59:23] Mariana : great
[18:59:24] Jason: thanks Mariana!
See the directory of groups here http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/directory2
The question of enlargement of practical info group is open
Montreal preparation
[19:02:08] Pierre: starting with point 1 ....who is coming ?
what do we expect from IC - other commissions - what do we need to discuss between us ? when?
who is coming ? - jason mariana myself dan salete...and ?
[19:07:01] Jason: Mallory (from Jennifer's message)
[19:07:33] Hilde : Not me unfortunately :(
[19:08:55] Rita : Hi Hilde. I hope to be there
[19:09:56] Hilde : Oi Rita!!
[19:14:59] Norma : Jason: coincido en consensuar la mayor cantidad de criterios antes, poque la lista de Helio no es confirmada, sólo tentativa. Yo espero tener alguna certeza mayor sobre devolución del pasaje aún, y como viene la mano me parece que no viajaré. Es muy probable que a otros les pase lo mismo.
[19:19:26] Rita : Norma, acho bom vc ir e dividir la habitación comigo, ok?
[19:21:15] Norma : Sí, Rita, pero ése no es el problema (el alojamiento está asegurado) sino el pasaje, que es muy caro desde acá, debo saber qué porcentaje devolverán.
[19:21:57] Rita : certo, acho que Helio poderá informar melhor como está isso
Comcom agenda in montréal ?
[19:23:26] Jason: Here is what I think we need to work on:
- Some analysis of the common theme connecting the events in 2010 (including the proposed logos -- and some other proposals to discuss and present to the IC)
- A meeting with the methodology commission (we need to send them a proposal now) on the 5th
- A general discussion on communication strategy in the IC plenary agenda
- A presentation of the communication plan for 2010 so far with the elements for discussion and a proposal of agenda for the comcom
(By the way - there is also the meeting in preparation for WSF2011 in Dakar end of october that Taoufik sent a few days ago, it would be important that a few people from the Comcom could go there...)//
Information the contact with Abourahamane, who was introduced by Taofik as in charge of communication for next WSF11 Organizing committee has been re-established after he changed email – he is now in the comcom list again and interested to participate– he wont come to montreal
How and about what to prepare on line the montreal comcom participation ?
[19:10:07] Jason: Helio circulated a list of confirmed attendance. In any case, there won't be many from the Communication commission, so it would be best if we can work beforehand as much as possible - and we will try to have a few live sessions "webcasted".
[19:36:29] Mariana : (Hey, Helio says here that on the 5th there will be few people in Montreal... the methodology commission has canceled its own meeting..)
[19:11:59] Rita : Jason, I agree we should work before, in way to represent the comission as better as possible
[19:17:43] Pierre: Gente, it seems that if we do not make LONG chats or MORE chats in the next two weeks, we will not get very far before montreal - we have lost our tempo and need to recover
i guess we also need some further internal discussion on points like what is our goal as comcom, what we facilitate , how we work ,.... consolidate the debates we started in Rabat about what we understand as communication related to wsf process and how we have structured our working groups to implement a facilitation strategy in this field
[19:35:21] Jason: Pierre, I would put that in the comcom agenda for Montreal, trying to finalize what we've been discussing since Belem and trying not to monopolize discussion on procedural matters (though important).
There are a few documents that need to be finished and agreed upon, they are online - let's give a deadline before the IC meeting for comments so we can finally approve them in Montreal.
[19:36:30] Rita : Agree with Jason, the priority now is define what we have in common strategies for next steps
[19:48:59] Rita : Jason, I fell this moment could be important if we are better coordinated and well represented there. I felt no good those meeting in Rabat, with more question than agreements on our proposals and documents
[19:51:47] Jason: I agree, Rita - that's why it would be useful if you could work not just on the proposals, but also on the "open issues" you feel have to be solved and how you think we can best work together - so we get to Montreal with some common basis.
[20:00:26] Pierre: Talvez tenemos que hacer audio conversaciones antes de montreal ...
note : further to two more wednesday chat session , an extra meeting is scheduled to help have time to discuss open issues
no deadline has been given In this chat for reviewing the working document appearing in the home page of comcom space on line, as Jason suggested
Securing a slot on communication in agenda of ic
[19:38:51] Jason: Thanks Mariana - does Helio already have a proposal of the agenda?
[19:41:53] Mariana : There is a proposal of agenda but it's not concluded yet...
[19:42:30] Mariana : It must be done this week...
[19:45:31] Jason: In Rabat we have asked the Liason group - as from the discussion had in the IC in Belem, which approved it - to have a session of the IC in Montreal dedicated to communication strategy for the WSF2010. Do we need to send a "formal" request to Helio and the LG to be sure it is inserted in the agenda proposal?
[19:46:07] Jason: (That question is for Mariana actually...)
[20:01:00] Mariana : (sorry I was out) Helio says that it's not necessary a formal request, but it would be nice if someone send him a message just to remind him...
[20:01:44] Jason: ok, thanks Mariana - I'll do it.
Need a meeting for a discussion on objectives and criterias for prioritizing projects
[19:53:09] Rita : Ok, but there are a lot of open issues refering the proposals, the criterias for example
I woudn't like to open this kind of discussion there, but we are going to this situation
No problem to solve these item I point after the other open issues, another day, but we have to, ok?
[19:55:54] Jason: We need a dedicated meeting for that - and we should fix a date where we are sure that also Salete and the other facilitators of the working groups are all present.
[19:56:23] Rita : Em portugues, estou defendendo que em algum momento a gente chegue a acordos sobre os criterios para priorizar projetos, antes de Montreal, para nao termos de fazer esse tipo de debate lá
[19:57:34] Pierre: The discussion on criterias is linked a to the discussion on common visions we might have on what is comcom about in our diversity, what is facilitating communication in wsf process
This takes time and is best done in face to face discussion - in rabat we did not schedule enough our work to really cover those open issues
note : further to two more wednesday chat session , an extra meeting will be proposed to help have time to discuss “open issue”
Una Lista de objectivos de comunicacion– para preparar debate en CI?
[19:56:33] Norma : Estoy de acuerdo en ver qué grandes ejes estratégicos debemos llevar: ¿articulación permanente entre foros? , ¿propiciar comunicación compartida?, ¿activar una memoria activa del FSM?, ¿ayudar a desarrollar la comunicación con países y continentes aún distantes del proceso? , etc. Pongo ejemplos pensando en voz alta, no es que pida que sean éstos...
[19:57:44] Rita : Acho uma excelente pauta, Norma
[20:00:24] Jason: Bueno - Norma, puedes escriber una pagina para eso y podemos trabajar en lista con comentarios y trasformarla en una presentacion para el debate en el CI?
[20:03:24] Norma : Si sirve lo haré, pero yo preguntaba si ahora tenemos cada uno algunas ideas sobré qué priorizar ante el CI (y cómo involucrarlos, que es lo más difícil), dado que seguramente no habrá tiempo para cosas detalladas.
[20:08:40] Pierre: dos insumos para Norma
1/ los objectivos estan en el contexto de 2010 y nuestro trabajo de facilitacion esta de segundo piso , dirigido en gran parte a los comite organisadores de todso los eventos
2/ los criterios tambien lo que hacemos sea en termino de contenido, herramientas, metodos, sugerencias, apoio, en el contexto de 2010 nos dirigimos al conjunto de los eventos 2010 para organisadores o para participantes
[20:11:16] Norma : Creo que el hecho de que finalmente hayan "estallado" tantos foros autoconvocados diferentes en todos lados, como si hubieran prendido las semillas tiradas...es una posible idea, porque no hay un eje temático en común en ellos, cada uno responde a su realidad
[20:12:51] Rita : Norma, el eje sigue siendo la superación de la crise
[20:15:22] Norma : Bien, Rita, a lo mejor entonces es "los caminos alternativos" al modelo dominante en crisis, según cada realidad particular. Y acompañarlos desde la comunicación, como dice Pierre
Que es Noticia /imagen/representacion del fsm este ano ¿
[20:06:34] Jason: Para mi, uno del los elementos mas importante para la informacion de 2010 es "cual es la noticia del FSM este ano"? Cual el tema comun? Como juntar los events? Etc.
Tenemos que haber una idea de como representar el FSM 2010... porque hasta ahora no hay mucho y el grupo 2010 es mucho atrazado... //
[20:14:21] Pierre: tratando de contestar la pregunta de jason : el FSM2010 es un primer intento de acercarse a la idea de un "proceso espaço abierto mas continuo" apoiado en un succesion de evnetos a lo largo del ano .... permite tener un "ritmo" y accompanar con eventos, las acciones publicas y campanas que son estimuladas por varias coaliciones de organisaction a traves del mundo en relacion a la superacion de las crises
es un intento interesante con nuevas formas de actuar para nosotos comcom
el problema que nos plantea esta nueva forma 2010 es ..... su continuidad
O sea que pasa en 2011 ? sera o que Dakar va a consumir gran parte de nuestras fuersas para el resto del ano 2011 - de hecho habra menos eventos meidanos en 2011 (puesto que los continentales seran para 2012)
[20:19:34] Norma : Una de las tareas me parece (no sólo de nuestra comisión) es justamente lograr que esa diversidad de foros locales y regionales continúen en otros lados de forma sucesiva (si hubo uno de soberanía alimentaria en tal país de Africa, que en el 2011 sea "contestado" desde otro país con la misma prioridad, etc.)
[20:21:10] Pierre: si norma .. es el reto .. con la dificultad que dakar es muy importante relativo a los demas potenciales de 2011 ( si miramos 2009 aparte de belem hay pocos foros )
pero si este contexto 2010 es radicalmente nuevo para nosotros comcom ya que actuamos de segundo piso
[20:24:04] Norma : Pierre: en 2009 sí, pero en 2010 hay muchos, a lo mejor el impulso continúa...hay que ayudarlo. No estoy segura de que Dakar impida que aparezcan otros más chicos en otros lados.
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20:22:10] Jason: El problema principal es que el "proceso" Forum no es una noticia. Y la dificultad es de facilitar los que hacen informacion y cobertura, sin haber un contenido fuerte, nuevo y evidente (y sin haber establecido una connection con los organisadores de cada evento). Por eso tenemos que hacer algunas tarejas basicas y estructurar un trabajo con la oficina y los miembro activos de la comcom
[20:24:50] Norma : Jason: el proceso no es noticia, es cierto, pero los caminos alternativos a la crisis quizás sí
[20:27:12] Pierre: Jason: concordo con Norma que la prioridad es comunicacion interna entre los foros eventos , una consolidacion del proceso existente , no creo que haya una noticias de corto plazo possible .. estamos en un proceso de mediano/largo plazo
[20:30:31] Jason: La visibilidad de los Forums es importante para el desarollo del proceso mismo, no es prescindibile...
[20:33:48] Pierre: jason :. el hecho de desplegar una identidad commun y algunos simbolos ( llama olimpica) es un parte de la respuesta " emotiva simbolica" que tiene importancia
la otra que esbien importante tiambien para la credibilidad interna del procso a si mismo es el uso efectivo que las redes pueden hacer para tener una succesion de actividades en los eventos accompanando las acciones que tiene en el espacio publico donde actuan
[20:35:46] Rita : De fato, Jason, a informaçao entre os Foruns faz parte da estratégia,mas nossa açao, da com com e da comunicaçao do FSM como um todo é para que essa comunicaçao gere visibilidade, nao é prescindível
the way to work for comcom in 2010 : transfer experience to other groups
[20:24:21] Rita : Entao, nossa idéia é encontrar meios de transferir as experiencias de comunicacao do FSM até agora pra novos núcleos. Só nao sabemos como fazer isso sem o corpo-a-corpo nos eventos, pq a convivencia tem sido decisiva nesse processo
[20:25:31] Pierre: si Rita concordo...una tarea principal es transmitir /proponer .apioar a una serie de comité organisadores que no conocemos ... y tenemos que dar mucha anticipacion on line , y salpicar con un poco de participacion de cara a cara distribuyendonos en todos los eventos ( idealmente)
[20:25:38] Rita : Estamos conversando muito por aqui (estou falando também pelo Forum de Radios, a pedido de Maria Pia que está em um chat seguindo Honduras) sobre como fazer isso para ampliar as açoes em rede
[20:26:49] Rita : Isso seria interessante, Pierre. Ter um grupo de pessoas que saibam bem dos projetos, para troca de informaçoes. experiencias nos eventos
[20:28:51] Pierre: Rita : si , creo que cada projeto puede crear un espacio de intercambio de expeirencia entre foros eventos tratando de jalar personas de cada evnetos que esten interesadas al proyecto - y compartir experiencias ideas y los pocos recuros para facilitar este intercambio y apoiar modestamentes iniciativas tomadas en lugares que precisan de apioo
80% de esto se hace on line , y el resto es el salpicon de presencias cruzadas que cada gurpo puede tener y se comienza desde ahora
next date extra meeting – next wednesday shift one hour later
[20:31:42] Jason: [I have to go now - pls fix a date for a specific meeting on the shared project proposal criteria where Salete, Pia, etc. can also be present]
[20:38:27] Rita : Entao, falo com Salete e Pia sobre possivel data de encontro? Se vcs puderem animar mais gente a participar, quem sabe chegamos a um entendimento melhor
[20:39:54] Pierre: sim proponho ficar com nossa data de prosimo quarta (mas uma hora mas tarde porque nao comenzamos antes desso e em parallelo , inserir outra data que sea adecuada
[20:41:08] Norma : Debo irme, estoy de acuerdo en el próximo miércoles una hora más tarde. Si ponen otro más avisen por lista. besos
[20:41:17] Rita : ok, beijo, até a próxima quarta-feira
[20:42:31] Pierre: si hay una otra data antes de quarta , a partir de 14h brasil donde salete pia pueden participar es bien tambien .... necesitamos tiempo
Me pregunto si a titulo experimental no podriamos usar www.doodle.com, y enviar convite al nucleo de participantes irregulares para encontrar una data suplementario
[20:43:42] Rita : Pierre, para Pia nao é possível até 24, pq ela está às voltas com Honduras. Depois nao sei, mas vou perguntar
[20:44:33] Pierre: si quieren puedo hacer un ensaio cada quien da sus disponbiilildades y todos las ven es simple de usar
[20:44:45] Rita : ok agora preciso ir, sempre é bom experimentar nova ferramenta
[20:45:45] Pierre: y esto que no podemos depender solos de encuentros fisicos , mesmo se un cheiro e sempre melhor
[20:45:44] Hilde : Oi e tschau pessoal, desculpe a falta da minha participacao hoje. Vou tentar estar no chat no proxima quarta. Beijos (wave)
[20:46:05] Pierre: ciao
[20:47:06] Mariana : Ciao, pessoal!
[20:47:26] Rita : bjssss
The extra invitation is sent to the group of people in charge of project/group facilitation
[19:32:48] Rita : As you see, some projects of us were linked here. They mean we need to review the criterias for definition on priorities
Como vcs viram, alguns projetos foram linkados aqui, neste espaço de chat. Isso significa que precisamos rever os critérios para definir nossas prioridades
[19:34:54] Pierre: rita : que quer dizer linkados ? por um link no chat ( como feiz sergio?)
[19:35:27] Rita : Sim, os projetos estao no openfsm e nós colocamos os links aqui
[19:39:34] Norma : ¿Por qué no ponemos ahora los títulos de los proyectos presentados para ver en qué orden o de qué manera plantearlos como prioridades en Montreal?
[19:41:49] Rita : Projeto Ciranda
http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/ciranda-projects-for-2010
Projeto Fórum de Radios
http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/radio-forum-gt-wiki
[19:43:07] Jason: (Rita - that is the 3rd point of our agenda, we're still on the 1st...)
[19:43:41] Rita : Ok (I was responding to Norma demand)
Other projects or tasks groups in comcom are accessible in the spaces of the comcom through the directory
In preparation there is a press project, http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/press-gt-wiki
and a participation and internal com project updated from what exist
http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/participation-internalcom-home
[15:17:15] sergio : Caros tentei colocar no Opem FSM uma proposta de viabilização do Projeto de Histórias de Vida. Como não entendi direito como funciona a ferramenta estou postando neste chat para vossa avaliação pois n˜åo poderie participar da Reunião a tarde.
[15:18:42] sergio : Para IC Comunication Comision.
Caros amigos,
Preocupado com a limitação dos recursos financeiros para a execução dos diversos projetos propostos, encaminho para análise e avaliação este Plano de Ação com necessidades mínimas para alavancar o projeto e buscar recursos externos que possam viabilizar este e outros projetos que necessitem de recursos comuns.
Plano de Ação para viabilização do projeto:
“Histórias de vidas que fazem o FSM”.
OBJETIVOS:
1. Disseminar a idéia entre as entidades que já participaram do FSM
2. Identificar entre as entidades pessoas que representem os 10 Objetivos do FSM e toda a diversidade para colher depoimentos em 2010
3. Produzir uma apresentação eletrônica com 10 depoimentos resumidos em video e texto, mesmo que a distância, para servir de demonstração
4. Buscar recursos externos para viabilizar o projeto e capacitar entidades mobilizadas a fazerem o mesmo em seu países
5. Otimizar recursos.
AÇÕES ESPECÍFICAS:
1. Mapear necessidades comuns dos projetos apresentados.
2. Identificar recursos comuns (humanos, equipamentos e suprimentos)
3. Orçar estas necessidades
4. Identificar rede de voluntários - Entidades e Pessoas
5. Gerenciar agenda dos envolvidos.
6. Apresentar projeto aos potenciais financiadores externos (Fundações, Ongs, Estatais).
RECURSOS NECESSÁRIOS :
1 Articulador por 6 meses 6 meses a partir de outubro/09.
1 Editor de texto.
1 Editor de Video.
Compartilhar local de trabalho
Compartilhaar acesso a Internet
Verba necessária por 6 meses: € 30.000,00.
[15:19:25] sergio : Aguardo parecer
[15:19:46] sergio : Abraços . Sergio
Annex
Starting a List of projects to be assessed along criterias to be discussed in a next meeting
project from sergio