• minutas cs 24 junio 09

Wiki modificadas recientemente July 4, 2009 por pierre

Minutesdia 24

 

Start – relato – arriving Rita Jason Monica Hilda Paco Norma Pia. 1

Report 1

Agenda proposal 2

Review of group facilitators to date. 2

Alternative media  Rita and antonio. 2

Llegada de Vanessa e Mallory  salida de antonio. 3

Memory group : Norma and Hilde. 3

Technology group : Mallory and ? ipf? alencar 4

Other languages group : Dan and ??. 5

Make a list of groups and participations. 5

Documentation of comcom.. 5

Salete Candido and chico  3people for 3 group facilitation. 5

Planning to make projects. 6

News from  Alternative media group. 6

First draft of projects in every group. 6

Translation. 6

Recursos – escritorio/comunicacion interna. 7

Make a list of groups ? - ciao. 7

Where is pierre ?. 7

Este documento es un reflejo de en donde estamos. 8

 

Start – relato – arriving Rita Jason Monica Hilda Paco Norma Pia

 [18:35:18] Rita Freire: Hi friends,

[18:35:25] Rita Freire: Olá amigas e amigos

[18:36:14] Rita Freire: obrigada Pierre pelo relato, mas seria interessante sempre uma síntese para circular aqui, uma vez que nem todos entram no site para ler os anexos

[18:37:07] Rita Freire: Também recordo que problemas técnicos impediram sua participação na primeira metade do chat e tiramos alguns encaminhamentos de trabalho

[18:38:51] Jason: Hi everybody, I'm here...

Report

[18:40:11] Rita Freire: Thank Pierre, for the last report. Would be interesting to present a summary here, for those ones without time to read the attachments

[18:40:48] Monica Di Sisto - FAIR: Me too, hi from Italy

[18:41:26] Hilde Stephansen: And hello from London!

[18:41:27] pacofocuspuller: Ola a todas y todos , I'm here with a great efforce because I'm busy on work , but nobodies is here. Please maybe we have to change the timing because the chat starting always in late........

[18:41:34] Monica Di Sisto - FAIR: ciao Hilde!!!

[18:41:41] Monica Di Sisto - FAIR: (wave)

[18:42:12] pacofocuspuller: ei phantoms ....... 8-)

[18:42:17] pacofocuspuller: kisses

[18:43:23] Jason: Can we set the agenda quickly with who is here - we have to get to work very concretely now on planning for the next 2 years...

[18:43:35] pacofocuspuller: I think that we cannot start everytime in delay

[18:43:58] pacofocuspuller: 43 minutes

[18:46:28] Rita Freire: I agree with you Paco

[18:46:31] normafer: Hola amigos

[18:46:33] maría pía matta: hola compañeros

[18:46:40] maría pía matta: hola norma

[18:46:49] maría pía matta: rita, pacor,jason

[18:46:52] Rita Freire: Concordo com Paco em tentarmos chegar no horário

[18:46:58] maría pía matta: monica querida, hola

[18:47:04] pacofocuspuller: baci

[18:47:11] maría pía matta: baci querido,

[18:47:25] Rita Freire: Olá Norma, Pia, Monica, Hilde, Jason, Paco, quanta gente!

Agenda proposal

[18:47:29] Jason: Here's my proposal:

1) Confirm existing working groups and facilitators

2) How to work on the projects and budget for 2010-2011 - we need to accelarate on timing.

[18:47:30] Jason: Aqui está a minha proposta:

1) Confirmar grupos de trabalho existentes e facilitadores

2) Como a trabalhar sobre os projetos e orçamento para 2010-2011 -, temos de accelarate no calendário.

[18:47:49] Hilde Stephansen: Olá, hola, hi everyone!

[18:47:53] Rita Freire: Boa proposta Jason

[18:47:59] maría pía matta: hola hilde

[18:48:03] pacofocuspuller: okey Jason

[18:48:09] Rita Freire: E penso que daqui pra frente poderíamos fazer informes dos grupos que já estao trabalhando

[18:48:17] pacofocuspuller: I can be here for other 12 minutes

[18:48:24] maría pía matta: bien de acuerdo que hay que acelerar el proceso

[18:48:28] pacofocuspuller: so how we can speak about budget ?

[18:48:42] Monica Di Sisto - FAIR: hola pia!

[18:49:27] Monica Di Sisto - FAIR: (and all)

[18:50:23] maría pía matta: hi monica

[18:50:26] Rita Freire: I agree with Jason proposam. I propose to that those groups alread working bring briefs info each chat

[18:51:41] Rita Freire: sorry for the caotic englisj, I hope you understand

Review of group facilitators to date

[18:53:17] Jason: Group 1: Alternative/Indipendent media (Shared communication projects): Rita and ?.

[18:53:28] maría pía matta: if we understand

[18:53:53] Jason: Group 2: Internal communication / inter-communication: Salete and Pierre

[18:54:31] Jason: Group 3: Internatioanl Press facilitation: Pia and Monica

[18:55:03] Jason: Group 4: Tecnology and infrastructure: ???

[18:55:48] Jason: Group 5: Translation [I don't think this should be a group... but I don't want to reopen discussion now]

[18:56:20] Rita Freire: Well, well - As Paco is not facilitating any group, We invite him to join us. We are contacting african friends too, looking for someones whose can facilitate shared communication there, with us

[18:56:52] pacofocuspuller: People I'm on charge for video and television, wsftv group 1 and international press. of course the job on wsftv put me in relation also with the technology group I guess, but also with memory. On wsftv we have already open the archive section, is already an year and half .

Alternative media  Rita and antonio

[18:57:43] Jason: So Group 1: Rita and Antonio, ok?

[18:57:50] Rita Freire: ok

[18:57:50] pacofocuspuller: But I wish to be in resourse group at all.

[18:57:57] Rita Freire: and african people too

[18:57:57] pacofocuspuller: only for video please

[18:57:58] Jason: Group 6: Resources: Jason and ?

[18:58:06] pacofocuspuller: the group is really wide

[18:58:13] Jason: Yes, 2 minimum, more facilitators are welcome of course!

[18:58:39] pacofocuspuller: Jason I will come in resourse I think that also Salete is there

[18:58:56] Rita Freire: Jason, Salete is contacting someones to colaborate with this group Maybe she change from internal communication into the resources

[19:00:41] maría pía matta: oky

[19:00:57] Rita Freire: Maybe you could ask her

Llegada de Vanessa e Mallory  salida de antonio

 [19:02:24] Mallory Knodel: hola?

[19:02:40] Hilde Stephansen: hi mallory!

[19:03:01] Mallory Knodel: Hi!how are you hilde?

[19:03:05] pacofocuspuller: Okey sorry but I have to go i cannot start meeting with 43 minute in delay , i got only one hour, please next time respect the timing people.....or change the schedule . I think it is a very important part of the methology......sorry but I'm quite upste it is the third time .....baci to all

 [19:03:30] vansilva3: desculpem o atraso, salve pra tod@s!!!

[19:04:04] maría pía matta: cia pacor

[19:04:43] Jason: ciao Antonio - you're absolutely right...

[19:04:48] Jason: oi Vanessa

[19:04:54] Jason: hi Mallory!

[19:05:05] Jason: Thiago, are you there?

[19:05:08] Mallory Knodel: hi, jason!

[19:05:52] Jason: let's try to finish the groups

Memory group : Norma and Hilde

[19:06:05] Jason: Group 7: memory and documentation: Bia? and ?

[19:06:19] Rita Freire: Bia?

[19:06:59] Jason: Norma?

[19:07:19] normafer: Yo también en memoria, fue mi primer proyecto para el FSm, pero puedo encargarme sobre todo de lo informatizado: videos, fotografías, relatos orales, etc., de los foros locales, regionales y mundiales

[19:08:00] Jason: Muy bien!

[19:08:03] Rita Freire: Só uma pergunta: Norma, vc vai ajudar a articular o grupo de tradução?

[19:09:13] normafer: No, Rita, yo articulando el grupo de traducción sería un chiste, con mi odio al inglés! Allí sólo plantée colaborar traduciendo lo que haga falga del portugués al español

[19:09:23] Rita Freire: hahahahahah

[19:09:40] Rita Freire: Entao acho que vc é uma ótima facilitadora para Memória e Documentaçao

[19:10:36] maría pía matta: de acuerdo

[19:10:43] Jason: So Norma and ?  Maybe Hilde?

[19:10:59] Rita Freire: Grande!

[19:11:19] Hilde Stephansen: Translation?

[19:11:24] Rita Freire: nao

[19:11:26] Rita Freire: Memória

[19:11:37] normafer: Perdón, veo que salió mal al escribir apurada: me ocuparía de lo no informatizado (en ese rubro de la informática está Pierre y otros mucho más aptos que yo), tratando de averiguar qué hay en cada foro, viendo cómo articular y mantenerlo, etc. O sea que en este grupo hace falta alguien que se ocupe de la memoria informatizada

[19:12:03] Rita Freire: Norma, nao se preocupe com isso

[19:12:22] Rita Freire: A proposta é contarmos com um grupo de tecnologia que nos ajude em opçoes para as várias atividades

[19:13:20] normafer: Además, yo estaría apoyando a Paco (video/TV) y a Rita (Ciranda) en el 1

[19:13:25] Rita Freire: Só falta o grupo....

[19:17:05] Hilde Stephansen: I would like to particpate in the memory group and contribute what I can but I am not sure I am able to take on the role of facilitator, I have a lot of other work at the moment...

[19:18:14] Rita Freire: Hilde, voce poderia aceitar a tarefa até alguem mais aparecer

[19:18:19] Jason: Give it a try, Hilde... you're not alone!   We are (fortunately or unfortunately) all very busy... and trying to contribute as we can.

[19:18:36] Hilde Stephansen: Ok :)

[19:18:51] Hilde Stephansen: Just reluctant to take something on and then not being able to do a good job

[19:20:15] Rita Freire: Should we check in what other groups we are at the moment?

[19:20:33] Hilde Stephansen: Also, in the interest of transparency, I should probably also say: as many of you already know I am doing a research project on communication in the WSF process so my participation is partly motivated by this - I'd like to follow the preparation process for 2009-10-11.

[19:28:06] Hilde Stephansen: [traducao em portugues:

Para ser transparente, eu deveria dizer: como alguns de voces ja sabem, eu faco uma pesquisa sobre comunicacao no FSM, e meu participacao e parcialmente motivada por isso. Quero acompanar o proceso de preparacao para 2009-10-11. Vou contribuir que posso enquanto. Espero que esteja bom para tudo mundo]

 [19:20:47] Hilde Stephansen: and I'll contribute what I can in the process

[19:20:53] Hilde Stephansen: hope this is ok with everyone

[19:21:56] Jason: Sure.

[19:53:38] Rita Freire: Peço ao grupo de Memória que incluam sergio miletto na construçao do projeto pq ele está bastante entusiasmado. A Ciranda também vai ajudar, por ser velhinha no FSM

[19:54:10] Hilde Stephansen: Ok Rita, obrigada

[20:04:41] normafer: Hilde: podríamos comunicarnos por mail, yo en español y vos en inglés por lo de memoria?

[20:04:42] Mallory Knodel: bye!

[20:05:25] Hilde Stephansen: ok norma, so que nao falo espanol.. entendo um pouco... vamos tentar! meu email e

[20:05:40] thaís chita: norma e hilde, vcs estão como facilitadoras do gt, é isso? então, se precisarem de uma ajuda, escrevam para mim e ou salete. pode ser?

[20:06:06] thaís chita:

[20:06:12] thaís chita: ops! thais@..

[20:07:48] Hilde Stephansen: sim thais, eu e a norma ficaram como facilitadoras. Mas cada grupo pode ter mais de dois, entao podemos todas ser facilitadoras

[20:08:16] Hilde Stephansen: vamos comunicar por email nos proximos dias, pode ser?

[20:08:19] thaís chita: se ajudarmos vocês, ficaremos felizes!

 

Technology group : Mallory and ? ipf? alencar

[19:14:03] Jason: correct.  But we need also someone for the technology group -- maybe Mallory could be one of the facilitators, and bridge with the USSF tech group?

[19:14:19] Mallory Knodel: I would be happy to, of course!

[19:14:34] Rita Freire: Não falta mais

[19:44:16] thaís chita: o ipf gostaria de ser facilitador do gt de tecnologias. ainda é possível?

[19:45:31] Rita Freire: Vejam pessoal, Thais enviou uma msg sobre ipf  ajudar a facilitar tecnologia a msg dela ficou meio perdida ai em cima

[19:46:30] Mallory Knodel: oi, thais, i have agreed to help with technology since i am working on it for the ussf, too

[19:47:13] thaís chita: gente, mil desculpas pelo atraso. estou lendo o que já discutiram e, por isso, pergunto da possibilidade de entrar : ok, obrigada, mallory!

[19:54:04] thaís chita: para ver se entendi: o ipf contribuirá com hilde gt memória e com mallory no tecnologias, certo?

[20:12:37] thaís chita: mallory?

[20:12:58] Mallory Knodel: hi

[20:14:05] Mallory Knodel: yes, thais?

[20:14:55] thaís chita: quem poderá ajudar com as tecnologias pelo instituto é o alencar

 

Other languages group : Dan and ??

[19:14:42] Jason: Group 8: "Design" and other languages: Dan Baron and ?

[19:16:02] normafer: El grupo 8 incluiría lo que alguna vez se intentó hacer con "cultura" y con "arte"

[19:16:43] Jason: Si.

 

Make a list of groups and participations

[19:16:44] Rita Freire: Isso permite convidar mais gente para a comunicação

Anyone else?  We should circulate this list as soon as possible, and others can propose on the mailing list.  And of course everyone can participate in other groups, as we've discussed and decided.

[19:22:25] thaís chita: olás, queridas e queridos!

[19:23:38] Mallory Knodel: Jason, just to clarify, "participate in other groups", you mean within comcom?or wsf at large?

[19:24:10] Rita Freire: We can participate in 3 grupos at the same time, no more

[19:26:08] Jason: With com com, Mallory.

[19:26:52] Mallory Knodel: and i came to today's meeting late, so i will wait for the list of all 8 groups

[19:27:06] Rita Freire: Oi Thais, acabamos de checar os grupos que já contam com facilitadores

 Documentation of comcom

[19:29:28] Jason: [Mallory, you can find the proposed list here: http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/new~xa0-working-groups-proposal ; also check the rest of documentation here: http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/project-home]

[19:30:33] Mallory Knodel: oh, yes, thank you i've found a lot of great documents! bravo to everyone that has been working so very hard on these. i am happy to rejoin these conversations after many weeks' hiatus

 

Salete Candido and chico  3people for 3 group facilitation

[19:32:43] thaís chita: gente, a salete nao conseguiu entrar, mas pede para transmitir a mensagem: ela, chico e cândido estão decidindo qual deles ficará como facilitador do gt recursos e escritório ( e memoria).

[19:33:29] Jason: Thanks for the information Thais!

[19:34:07] thaís chita: ;)hilde, o ipf também gostaria muito de estar no gt de memória. fique tranquila q te ajudamos.

[19:34:29] Hilde Stephansen: :): otimo!

[19:35:11] Rita Freire: Friends, today a I have no much more time for the chat. I also have a meeting in few hours and I need organize myself for that

[19:35:45] Rita Freire: Pessoal, houve eu nao tenho muito mais tempo para o chat. Eu também tenho uma atividade em algumas horas e preciso me preparar para ela.

[19:36:57] Hilde Stephansen: Tchau Rita!

Planning to make projects

[19:32:34] Jason: Can we go to point 2 ) How to work on the projects and budget for 2010-2011  ?

 [19:37:38] Jason: I suggest we have 10 days from today for each working group to draft a strategy / project and and idea of organisations involved and budget needed.  We then need to put all the pieces together and present a proposal for the resource commission to work on in the framework of a general project (with the proposals of all the other IC commissions).

[19:40:38] Jason: This is a general draft -- not a final proposal - that could also be useful to help bring other organisations and people to participate in the working groups and in the Com com in general

News from  Alternative media group.

[19:40:44] Rita Freire: Ok jason, as a report: the alternative media group are starting dialogues on:                1) how celebrate 10 years of media alternative shared communication?

[19:41:28] Rita Freire: 2) what projects for ciranda, radio forum, tv forum and possibly another ones?

[19:42:09] Rita Freire: We intent present some initial proposal to you, for discussion and deliberations

First draft of projects in every group

 [19:44:17] Rita Freire: Apenas como informe: O GT de Midia Alternativa está inciando dialogos sobre:

[19:44:34] Jason: If the timing is ok for all - then we set a first deadline for the 4th of July.

[19:44:43] Rita Freire: Ok

[19:45:17] Jason: I need to go now - but let's continue in the mailing list.

 

 [19:47:47] normafer: Supongo que deberemos trabajar con los de cada grupo para armar proyectos específicos y presupuestos. ¿eso lo haremos por la mailing list y luego nos volvemos a juntar en chat el próximo miércoles 1°?

[19:48:19] Rita Freire: Norma, acho que os projetos precisam organizar suas propostas primeiro e enviar algo mais articulado para a lista

[19:48:37] Jason: [ciao all!]

[19:48:47] thaís chita: ciao querido!

[19:48:50] Hilde Stephansen: ciao jason

[19:48:53] normafer: Bien, Rita, pero eso lo hacemos entre nosotros, los de cada grupo?

[19:48:58] Mallory Knodel: bye, jason!

Translation

[19:49:16] Rita Freire: Só mais uma coisa: vou TENTAR ajudar a iniciar o grupo de traduçaoserá um começo

[19:50:04] maría pía matta: rita , pero eso es mucho trabajo

[19:50:13] thaís chita: concordo com norma.

[19:50:45] Rita Freire: temos algumas poucas pessoas querendo contribuir na traduçao, pretendo apenas coloca-las em contato quem sabe para o futuro

[19:51:15] thaís chita: legal, rita.

[19:51:18] Rita Freire: depois saio do grupo, pq nao traduzo nada

[19:51:31] maría pía matta: rita hablemos mañana por skype, puedes?

[19:51:40] Rita Freire: sim, amanha posso mas agora realmente preciso sair

[19:52:00] maría pía matta: que horas?, en chile tenemos una hora menos que ustedesbiwen te contacto besos

[19:52:14] thaís chita: concordo com a norma porque creio que será melhor cada grupo organizar suas propostas e depois apresentar aos demais grupos

[19:52:20] Rita Freire: às 12, 13 de Brasil?

[19:52:36] Rita Freire: Concordo com a Thais que concorda com a Norma

[19:52:47] Rita Freire: entao ...

[19:52:51] thaís chita: gente, hoje está combinado até que horas?

Recursos – escritorio/comunicacion interna

[18:53:53] Jason: Group 2: Internal communication / inter-communication: Salete and Pierre

 [19:54:19] thaís chita: recursos e escritório, ainda estão sendo definidos.legal, rita besos, pia.

[19:55:27] Rita Freire: REcursos já tem Jason, escritório está indefinido, Pierre quer comunicaçao interna, que está junto com escritório (ou nao).  Aí vcs resolvem

 

[19:55:37] Rita Freire: beijos a todos/as,tchau

[19:55:46] thaís chita: até q horas vamos hj?

[19:56:15] Rita Freire: bom, o horário é sempre das 13 às 15h, mas o chat é aberto para contribuiçoes a qualquer momento

[19:56:20] Rita Freire: fui

[19:56:32] thaís chita: tchau, flor.

[19:56:43] thaís chita: então, terminaremos em outro chat, certo?

[19:57:06] thaís chita: o que preferem fazer?

Make a list of groups ? - ciao

[19:58:09] Hilde Stephansen: Would it be an idea to organise on the ComCom list or openfsm, before the next chat, exactly who is in which group?

Looks like the chat finished/aparece que terminamos...

I have to go too / preciso ir tambem

[20:04:06] Rita Freire: último tchauzinho, bye bye, desconectando, Hilde, Chita, Norma e demais compas, nos falamos na semana

[20:04:16] thaís chita: bjs, flor.

[20:04:31] Hilde Stephansen: tchau!

 [20:08:21] thaís chita: ok, ok.

[20:08:26] Hilde Stephansen: :)

[20:09:03] normafer: Chau a todos!

[20:09:16] Hilde Stephansen: (wave)

[20:09:40] thaís chita: (wave)

Where is pierre ?

 [20:10:59] thaís chita: cadê o pierre?

[20:11:49] thaís chita: senti falta dele hoje ... (blush)

[20:36:59] Pierre: hello :)

[20:37:14] Pierre: solamente ahorita llego

[20:37:20] Pierre: como les fue?

[20:37:43] Pierre: nao pude hoje...

[20:37:59] Pierre: (wave)