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act521 notes from dialogue on systemic alternatives siemenpuu
last modified May 7, 2019 by facilitfsm
about commons ( Uqvart) and agroecology ( Ruby)
https://www.facebook.com/Siemenpuu/videos/340875016616726/
Act521 on the fly notes – first version - to be refined later
Laura - intro 1mn warning about the streaming
3mn Marko leaflet about systemic alternatives
6mn introductive video 5mn
Video from Ashish Kothari was here on February - video - what are those alternatives thousands our website has 1300 - a few notes in the panel discussion we have more I love this map because it is reminding England disappears just to give you a glimpse
9mn Marko it is a long video - richness - this is the spirit we want to start the dialogue today - 6 alternative will have a small presentation form our team - Olil will be +1 on ecological democracy – some addition
11mn Ukart starts intervention about commons – 5/10mn -
18mn ruby on agroecology
about Buen vivir Laura
24mn Laura on “buen vivir”
about ecofeminism ( Marta)
30mn Marta on ecofeminism she is from Europe Yugoslavia Catalunia - challenging to the first no is a political no - personal experience everyday life bodies and territories
36mn Marko - all indigenous - relation with nature is very different - let other species have more rights
43mn Olil ecological democracy
50mn Marko we have many initiatives - collaboration 3 initiative in the program systemic alternatives attac focus on global south foundation solon - Ashish kotari global tapestry - and then WSF global meeting in Barcelona may personal interaction - - see notes there :
51mn Marta moving Who is a practionnary activist ? 10000 systemic alternatives - pluriverse book coming out soon 60 essays of a 1000 words by scholars - universe pluriverse - tension and differences - solidarity respect conviction is that we can go beyond current system global tapestry of alternatives 2016 degrowth Budapest . Ashish has documented 130 alternatives in India - another process in Mexico criance mutual - how do we multiply - idea o oceanic circles Gandhian - we identify and connect - mapping making them visible and expose them to threat - a very loose process - there is a core team people form the entire world - we here to ensure logistics and vanish at some time - worked closely with WSFET emerging in wsf 2016 - international degrowth conference - not duplicate WSF lost radicalism - it is great to establish connection - WSFET wsh to get away from this – we invited 350 50 countries - how we can build the 2020 forum - as a process – have these people go back in their local territories - 2020 confluences of confluences international promoting group axes in territories - online digital platform - 60 activist in rio for 3 days - systemic alternatives - it is a bit confusing those different things making
the same thing - different methodologies – but complementary
1h06mn Ukart
1h07Man Question - systemic alternatives are not very systemic !!! What does it mean? What you presented is not systemic, there is diversity, have some systemic cohesion? i think they don’t have systemic cohesion - what make them systemic
Martha - local levels but when replaced and connected those are replicable decentralized , that is how a system can be created local - alternative to capitalism and also many challenges -they are engaging with different structure of oppression – none is perfect out there, -they are open ended process with their contradiction , they are actively thinking
1h ma i can
1h10mn Woman – difficult to hear –
1h12mn Marta – there Massive gap between activism and academic (sometime really disconnected) there have been attempts to rethink academia -
Woman – xxxx
1h13 Marta there is no such thing as objectivity – i like decolonizing academia some things are made visible o invisible
1h14mn Ruby : systemic opposed to reformist we are struggling against reformist locally ideas - how to making them mainstream the systemic alternative they are demanding to engage - change our life i find it a hard reality we had climate marches with like 10000 great but then in Helsinki two community supporting agroecologal two food coops struggling with viability 400 people discrepancy who is notable - more mainstream would mean more people engaging in the doing
1h15 Woman -would like - on the grassroots all of those and so can you give us example of how to
1h16mn Olil hopeless we have these system like state and world capitalism people non active their logic different from capitalism and hierarchy parallel to theses big system anyone can they have explosional moments
Marta –agree with you there is no perfect activist – when you have al different - how this community as patriarchal practices.. de patriarchalization of indigenous - navigating contradictions new way - contradictions are ok
1h20 researching about Colombian Latin Colombia geographer – depressing my experience in both sides was involved in activism - no won research side of history cna tell - central decision issue i love you pointed that Marta - romanticize - in Colombia 400 activities have been killed nobody cares - the think is how to articulate better - especially for scholars stop claiming about oversimplification in global south we are replicating divides of the north white supremacy most of struggles in our country are reproduction everyday life - how to revise be a focus - last just listen stop talking and listen
1h23mn Woman general cynicism free-lance journalist - growing your own food save money pretty sure it has been used against me i wonder if other will recognize
Gary Siemenpuu foundation yellow vest have been mobilizer (laughter) bothering me a bit throwing questions in the air
Other person they understand as alternatives
1h26mn Laura playing Pierre 46s input - hello everyone this is Pierre listening to you from Paris the input I have been in Barcelona too and would like to discuss more with Marta, and also to say practice of remote participation is probably also part of the alternatives at a massive scale so people can exchange idea an dialogues and make agreement and not only through big face to face big meetings, just a little input there and I hope an example of what we can do thanks
1h27mn Ruby - what i sis about struggling bank understand we should stop seeing it as a problem that is what it is - the yellow vest are doing - they are also skeptical sitting around - awful kind of things - not to romanticized what do i do rethinking democracy acknowledge
Romantic process absolutely laughter this is what it is - mainstreaming
1h29mn Geographer be responsible for the use of the words
Woman 2 – how can we make if every is different Women with glasses - how can we make systemic change
1h29mn Are ? - university - maybe optimistic student union comment open space for social movement friends of the earth live together in the same space – organize an event comparable to this around the issue in climate change – we organized it
1h31n Jason - company world social forum is criticized wonderful for theoretical ideas ruby talks about cooperative s - what the change is xaatn ti be what structure i understand the operation to become mainstream we need - offer practical real life solution to people are waiting for -and it is not coming , we can stop the mining machine - stop poisoning the soil what kind of world we to be practical
1h33mn Marta - Tomorrow 1pm -
1h33mn Laura part English part finish how to relate Finland, what kind of congluene should e haping especially for transformative economies s to FSMET ( my org is now launching agro ecological school in brazil - not in urban area -starting a call for solidarity funds
1h34mn Hopefully see you tomorrow – my organization is now launching a call for the agrological school in brazil - more precarious in urban then rural area young people wanting to change the world
1h36mn Marta music -about the cynicism thing another world is already out there - every single day we need to connect - you need community systemic change by myself - no time for cynicism – this is what it is so much to work with
Woman – we are cynical I meant
1h37mn Ruby - different space differing level chars down tools to make this mainstreaming that will be a moment .. Could interest you
Thank you (applause)
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