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hammamet 201411 extension chatlog en
last modified November 19, 2014 by facilitfsm
30 october
31 october
- Starting in a moment @1Taofik [@2Gus :
- Methodology discussion @3 Damien - @4 Gus: @5Hugo @6Diakalia @7Rafaella @8 Francine @9Gus @10Moema @11Pierre - @12Annie @13Liege @14Fabien @15Cesare @16Rita @17Chico @18 Zina @19Leonardo @20Brahim @21Abdeljellil @22Gus @23Samuel @24Roger @25Maria @26Gus @27Taofik @28Gus
- [12:51:08] lunch break After lunch @29Abdelhafidh @30 Asma -UGTT @31A @32Diakalia @33Hassania @34Moema @35 Brahmi
- [16:17:41] @36 Abderahmane FTDES answering @37 Abdeljellil answering questions @38 Abdelhafidh @39Taofik
- [16:45:43] 15mn Coffe break @40Gus @41Rafaella @42Moema @43Roger @44 Youssef @45 Moema @46 Genevieve @47 Damien @48 Cesare @49 Hector @50 Solange @51 Fathi @52 Vittorio @53Hassania @54 Azza @55 Samuel @56 Ayman @57 Raffaella
- [09:31:04] starting presentation round @58 president of league of human rights @59 Intervention of a newly elected deputy
- [09:54:47] @60 Raffaela - reading the call for Kurdish @61Genevieve -solidarity with Testet @62 Solange @63 Rita about Palestine @64 Youssef about Palestine @65 Moema
- @66 Hector @67 Rafaella @68 Damien @69 Hamouda @70 Chico @71 Annie
- [11:10:15] Break @72 Mohieddine @73 X Paperless @74 Francisco @75 Francine @76 Raphael @78 Fathi @79Taofik @80 Pierre @81 Carminda @82 Mohamed @83 Cesare @84 Vittorio @85 Roger @86 Brahim @87 Hector @88 Halima @89 Leonardo @90 Liege @91 Rafaella @92 Genevieve @93 Abdelhafidh @94 Mokhtar @95 Moema
- [13:39:18] Lunch break back in 1h30mn @96 Hamouda @97 Francisco @98 Damien @99 Moema @100 Francine @101Francisco @102Taofik @103 Diakalia
- About Secretariat of IC @104Taofik @105 Liege @106 Moema @107 Diakalia @108 Mohieddine @109 Gus @110 Francisco @111Taofik @112 Rita @113 Hassania @114 Moema @115 Pierre @116 Mohieddine @117 Diakalia
- About Montreal forum @118 Raphael @119 Carminda @120 Samuel + Raphael @121 Samuel @122 Roger @123 Youssef
- [17:01:34] break 15mn @124 Diakalia @125Taofik @126 Chaima @127 Nathalie @128 Chico @129 Rita @130 Hector @131 Diakalia @132 Damien @133 Diakalia @134 Hamouda @135 Rafaela @136 Raphael @137 Roger @138 Diakalia @139 Mouhieddine @140 Chico @141 Vittorio @142 zied @143 Damien @144 Taofik @145 Leonardo @146 Hector
Commissions groups held in the morning 9-11. 36
- Starting @147 Chico @148 Francine @149 Amelie @150 Taofik @151 Roger @152 Raphael @153 Mohieddine @154 Halima - women @155 Francine @156 Moema @157 Patrice @158 Cesare @159 Ala @160 Youth commission @161 Pierre : @162 Representative from the communication commission: @163 About the mobilization ( Mohamed?) @164 Volunteer commission : @165Taoufik : @166 Amal : @167 Culture commission : @168 Mohamed @169 Laasad : Logistic coordinator @170 Zied : @171Genevieve? : @172Pierre
- [12:44:54] Giuseppe- Gin November 4 Pierre Azril Meena :
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online participation
Jason, Janneth, Mallory, Amit Wilhelmina, Uddhab, Giuseppe, Cecilia, Meena, Gina
Eric Gustavo
30 october
[10:27:57] Jason: Thanks Pierre
[11:22:04] Pierre: hello am in yasmine beach in the meeting room
[12:37:09] IC.extension: we are trying to stream the meeting you can check on you tube " “esperanza efessem" maybe it works may be not :)
[21:28:18] IC.extension: well not much news today ... informal methodology and communitation meeting more people arrived tonight
[21:30:33] Janneth : Hola, voy siguiendo las comunicaciones, estoy en un evento que convocó mi organización sobre minería que me mantendrá fuera de las discusiones por hoy y mañana
[21:42:05] Mallory : It would be excellent to have a link to the stream
[01:01:45] IC.extension: first attempt was unsuccessful then plenary meeting stopped let us see tomorrow
[01:01:47] IC.extension: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEJWaKsNRL0
[03:27:00] uddhab: good
31 october
[09:24:25] IC.extension: hello https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkwapZ_9fPw
Starting in a moment
[09:43:04] giuseppe : hi Pierre and all Pierre a favour, could you give a sense who is in the room, how many people etc., if you can collect a list of participants and maybe take a picture and send it as attachment or something like that, and finally for the time being... there is no image in the streaming right?
[09:57:59] IC.extension: yes but now it is back now it is starnting 60 people in the room there is a large delay with real time
[09:59:25] giuseppe : where are participants from?
[10:00:01] IC.extension: 50% local and 50 %IC
[10:00:17] giuseppe : Merci!
[10:00:52] IC.extension: delay is several minutes now image is back right?
[10:01:17] giuseppe : image is back quality is "ok" :)
[10:01:43] IC.extension: now round of presentation is starting Gus is chairing
[10:02:03] giuseppe : ok here i see Gus speaking
[10:02:13] IC.extension: sound is fine
[10:02:32] giuseppe : yes mostly ok i can easily follow for the time being
[[10:07:52] giuseppe : is there no more sound? or is it me? it's back!
[10:04:40] @1Taofik
now Taofik making a summary of yesterday meeting on methodology
: base paper Taofik - enriched with comments from people yesterday
objectives of WSF
spaces - and special forums included in WSF
main program 24 march
25 self organized focus on regions
26 self organized
27 convergences assemblies
28 final moment and closing
8 questions ( comments from yesterday) (8th question is the document i sent about methodology and website )
Opening what kind of opening
More time for self organized activities? - balance between activities and convergences link between activities and convergence assembles - convergence route/path
5th make sure that frist day is opened beyond the region
convergence assembles self organized what is their weight - how to stimulate movements to converge
Criteria for announcing a convergence
How to show result of convergences
Some think that final moment in the street should be given a better chance of implementation than in 2013
Everybody agrees not to present results during the closing, too boring as in Dakar
Solidarity march with Palestine on 28
Now special forums issue - before or during the forum
Some observe that those forums take energy away from convergences they converge indoor - also they mobilize resources and do not mutualize with others
Some other think about how to dynamize the post forum period
Create an imitative space to secure a fillow up of results in the foru and give a chance to organization to folow up
How to reflect methodology on web site ? so that it is not info site, but a participation site in the various steps of methodology
Proposal of calendar up to march
[10:20:30] Giuseppe : it would be so good if we could also have those documents, maybe someone from Tunis organisation could send the pdfs? or pictures of the documents? ....
[working on it but in french only
axes should emerge from pre registering
[10:23:11] giuseppe : ah wonderful Pierre thanks! french is fine!: there is google translate... right?
[10:26:26] *** IC.extension envoie méthodologie du 30-10-2014 new.doc ***
[10:30:38] giuseppe : great Pierre the document is very useful! Thanx
[10:23:52] IC.extension: yess
[10:28:21] IC.extension: hello amit :)
[10:36:02] emit: hello Pierre!
Registration fees contributed for 23% du Tunis budget 2013 we go on in this direction proposal that big movement give more than the fee on registering their activities
Now Gus is facilitating debate on this document
[10:31:00] @2Gus :
In Tunis women assembly was a great thing at the beginning of forum - this could be done again, some activities could be outside Tunis and also in some neighborhood in Tunis
now presentation round has been postponed till a wireless mike came
Methodology discussion
Gus discussion on WSF2015 methodology but also on evolution of WSF2015 methodology
WSF methodology in general
Those who want to make general input - start first
Damien Diakalia Hugo Rafaela Francine
[10:38:48] IC.extension: (Pierre and another person Fida from ltdh are appointed to make the report of the meeting)
[10:36:17] @3 Damien -
Underline that there is no Spanish translation in the room we are disabled by this
Among special forum three is international fip - international platform of NGO IFP in english - coordination sud, AbONG
I am worried by only one day of self organized activities for those who are not from the region ( 26 ?)
We organize everything in one day?
Two days is a minimum
Open on themes of the region that others can share 25
on assembly of assemblies very important not an ideological carnival we did not succeed whereas another process is succeeding is social movement assembly and give it more visibility ?
[10:42:26] @4 Gus:
can we organize translation group for Portuguese and Spanish
Tomorrow there will be Spanish in the cabins meanwhile the Spanish people manage
[10:45:33] IC.extension: (3-4mn delay with streaming)
[10:44:28] @5Hugo
Thank you for methodology document
Preparation process in Germany will start only after this meeting and you want to close end of the year this is not realistic
What is difference between pre - and final registration
This document is only in French, this is a WSF not a francophone one
[10:46:46] @6Diakalia
Security level for this forum ? march in WSF2013 African group prevented Moroccan dn saharaouis to fight also a Islamist group got in with black flag
2/ no visibility of African social forum - which was held recently in Dakar - i do not see ths in the document
3/ many request that more solidarity from IC expected and to not see this ine the paper
4/ agglutination who is caring about it?
5/ payments
[10:50:15] IC.extension: in 2013 Taofik went to collect payment from people who had not payed ...and ware in the El ManarEl Manarsite
6/ fees food price on the venue keep them under control
7/ WSF cafe in Dakar allowing participants from afar to get a sense of African forum a good idea can be replicated for Tunis
[10:50:52] @7Rafaella
agree with Hugo - wee need a lONGer pre registration process
[how to save time ?
Register at the same time activities and convergence assemblies to avoid previous problems
big convergence in Paris about climate - there is a committee already organized
what have to wait to say there is a convergence assembly on climate they can do it form now
we can change some things
1/ answer important need of movement - need for debate because there are a lot of issues which need to be updated
find a way to have 2 hours at the end of the day with big meeting personalities testimonies intellectual big plenaries to debate crucial issues - each day
2 or 3 big assemblies which can be self organize co organized IC organize please do not remain on this point let us find a way
2/ assembly of assemblies was a disaster for many reasons - when we have a big final moment full of culture symbolic presence we could - read 2 pages with 3 line on convergence assemblies - a common political text with outcome read at the closing
[10:58:46] @8 Francine
1/ call at ourselves so that parity is respected for panelists
2/ have space for special forums
3/ agree with Rafaela on debate on big issues - we are busy and not aware of what is happening in other areas - am working in the social area
Pope has organized a kind of social forum on excluded and poverty
Widen this area with trade unions -difficult to separate right of excluded and labor rights
[11:03:00] Moema Annie Pierre
[11:04:03] @9Gus
Visibility of forum - media - conferences by Rafaela
Discussion on theme - pregiven or axes derived from what people have registered
[11:07:51] IC.extension: 15mn break
[11:12:12] Wilhelmina : Hello everyone - I have a lot to catch up with - we have been without electricity since 5.30 yesterday (Thu) just been re-connected so will read what has happened so far and hopefully follow from now (wave)
[11:30:35] @10Moema
[11:30:38] IC.extension: resuming
[11:40:44] @11Pierre -
Let us not oppose visibility and participation interaction
Participation and interaction feed visibility
1/ extension
2 / more interactive website(see last page proposals of methodology document)
3/ initiative file
4/ final moment
[11:41:21] @12Annie
Convergence and transversality
Special forums - are simultaneous and away from the main forum- networks debate between themselves
they should be held before or after main forum
Spaces - world village more than stalls in spaces
More transversality ...
2 days for self organized - last forum first day on continent -on second day they are de phased in term of convergence ahead of the others: this create parallel meeting that could be merged
Campaigns existing should be visible from pre registering
and new campaigns we need to work on this
[11:47:33] @13Liege
[11:48:39] IC.extension: they say forum is a political articulation space exchange of experience .... Agree with Damien that self organized activities should allow people participate in other activities
Assembly of assemblies not successful in Tunis 2013 and Dakar
While march women assembly and ASM are prominent
Which is set aside from organization of WSF - is not considered part of WSF we should think better
[11:50:36] Wilhelmina : what is the las are they saying these two assemblies are not part of the WSF?
[11:51:21] IC.extension: (liege is saying this ....this is her own expression) she supports giving more importance to ASM she says this is was prominent also women assembly
[11:52:16] @14Fabien
Science and democracy forum
Now we have maturity to invite non activist researcher inside WSF
We do not want to instrumentalize WSF on the contrary, we want a new public ot discover WSF - foster convergence, we just require a poster on the rooms we will use and have a group of rooms, we will participate to solidarity fund
[11:54:23] @15Cesare
IAI use WSF 2015 as world assembly of inhabitants not as a special forum
Will we will see methodology in and in neighborhoods
Final assembly as convergence assembly
Campaign - proposed on redistribution of wealth or peace as WSF: something that commits
Two days ago pope launch a call to support the poor for radical change - pay attention to the moves in international scene
we will bring our volunteers interpreter networks -many people could be available depending how it is received - our social capital
[11:59:30] @16Rita
Brazil Ciranda
WSF would not be what it is without communication
We have now a movement on communication rights born in WSF
WSF is a communicative process itself
How the activities should be shared with streaming translation
We have research for this but isolated
We have forum on free media 2 days before WSF then like to debate during WSF with social movements
[12:03:46] uddhab : ok
[12:04:05] IC.extension: hello uddhab are you enjying the video ?
[12:05:23] @17Chico
We are in a strange situation
We had commissions in IC it worked with local commissions now w do not have it anymore
We make recommendations how will they be received by local group
i hope the updated document will be shared with IC and we can react on this
i will reinforce some ideas here
more time on self organized activities
closing we look for solution since 2001 - give visibility but no give a unique direction
idée of Rafaela of a commission with 3 line each assembly may be a good idea, but not abandon the idea of final moment
local organization committee did not support it was poorly prepared, [because of competition with march on Palestine]
Moment when people of city can learn and each assembly learn about the others
Let us keep this running
Assembly of social movement is part of WSF - it is an important network - but not a principal as if conclusion of forum
We had misunderstanding and we combined things to give voice but not the voice
Inscription of convergence must be from now
evening 7pm to 9pm keep it free so people do articulation that they did not do experience in 2005 was good improvised meeting - can be combined with this idea of big conference at this same time - a freer moment
Supporting Pierre
Moema said that we need to engage in promoting WSF as such - few people know about this am worried as here it is election another months
IC should create a special committee for dissemination
[12:13:40] @18 Zina
FTDES kasserine inside Tunisia
Develop WSF in region
Make communication on big screens (has participated in wsf café Dakar)
Coordinate with local media so these region feel heard
They have right to dream and believe some people are interested in them
[12:15:13] @19Leonardo
We also decided that next country will be Quebec and work in cooperation
Where are they?
They were supposed to be involved we decided that youth people - support youth contribution
We have not had a communication use of media
The world is a communication revolution and we are still doing as in 2001
We should reexamine the WSF2015 logo
[12:17:39] Wilhelmina : I have just logged onto my laptop where I am able to see what is happening in the room - :)
[12:17:50] IC.extension: :)
[12:17:54] @20Brahim
CADTM
more time on self organized
first day will risk to be between Africans and maghrebians
We should focus on international issues democracy repression of social movements
where people form other region can include themselves
How to bridge between self organized and assemblies convergence
convergence assemblies
criteria for them
limit their number
Assembly of assembly is a presentation moment not debate
We did not find time to improve organizing of ASM
3/ as Diakalia -participation of political parties they had stalls in 2013 - pro state morrocans on Sahraouian issues having done inacceptable things during march of ASM how to settle this
[12:24:55] Gus - close the list
: Abdeljellil Roger Samuel: maria
[12:25:18] @21Abdeljellil
FTDES economy of the methodology text - not reflecting the worry of WSF militants
we all know this process is somehow exhausting
i would have liked proposal for redynamizing
i think this is due to the fact we always have wanted to recapitalize and impulse
correct and innovate
i would have liked this text to recall the context of lower dynamics and indicate steps to correct and impulse
information mobilization participation themes visibility follow up
we would have participated not only to organizing thematic but being a step of redynamization
there are many proposals i wll limit to ask another presentation of the text - we care about redynamize and propose steps for that
[12:28:50] @22Gus
this is the issue in the council, there will be another meeting of methodology
[12:29:38] @23Samuel
Links between 2015 and 2016
in august we met delegate from WSF2015 and we try to supply what is required by them
That is what we do for now
Innovation on communication recently we had an assembly in live streaming with a chat room where people could participate remotely
[12:30:54] @24Roger
i was main organizer of people social forum in Canada
On WSF2016 as a representative of alternative currently there is no convergence on the ground between WSF 2016 and PSF
it cannot be held if the PSF is not involved - we propose that decision about WSF2016 be postponed to march 2015 and a report made on merging or not of the two processes and have Canadian actors present and voicing their views
PSF involved all kind of moment including indigenous
First time since 2001 - and first time that indigenous present from the onset
in 2014 as indigenes are principal actors against tar sands pipeline if they are not present in WSF form the onset
2/ as first time in 20 years collaboration is occurring it is unthinkable not to reflect this -
social dynamics should be strongly included in the WSF process not the case for now
IC should insist that is be a consensus initiative in Canada - otherwise conditions are for disaster - this is what will be said in IC
About WSF
i suggest to open the convergence registration as soon as possible
Post forums cannot be built if convergence are not - they need time assertion and make contacts and agglutination
[12:37:57] @25Maria
president of ENDA, i work with Taofik
ENDA gives a capital importance ot national regional and world forum
ENDA give one person in Tunisia for this
we see the results in the country
There is more and more awareness of population in Senegal there was west African forum
How will our countries sense that issues on food sovereignty and land grabbing are issues visible in world forum
Whenever moments take an issue politicians come
[12:41:03] @26Gus
floor to Taofik then 2 groups
-one on IC agenda - and one on theme axes conferences
[12:41:44] @27Taofik
A way to finalize this proposal as it can be agreed by council
all point trends are visible
The group working yesterday can join us tonight we have inclusion of different points - 7pm working group 1h30 mn work
[12:44:02] @28Gus
working group on these axes
Annie - Chico - Francine - Hassania - Hechmi - Cesare - Brahim -Hamad - Patrice - Solange - Zied Shenjing - salmin - Raffaëlli - Racha
(this group finally did not work)
Working group on IC agenda - during meal
(this group did meet)
15 pm opening of IC - UGTT and Abdeljellil opening panel
3 points in agenda
1/debate on political situation - answering Abdeljellil concerns
2/ preparation of WSF - commission meting - which are the commission that can met
3/ organizing of IC
Agenda is not finalized during meal
[12:51:08] lunch break
Thanks to interpreters
[12:51:57] Giuseppe : Thank you to Pierre!!! et bon appétit aussi, a bientot
[12:53:32] Azril: When exactly is this chat top be? At what time??? Good work, Pierre! Abrazo. Azril. PD: Suggest that we have a parallel telephone list, in case there are complications with the chat via skype. My swedish cellphone is:+46-72-2125037. I am currently thinking of two sessions: (1) A follow-up from our successful panel on Dialogue between Religions and Civilizations and (2) Managament of Nuclear Waste. Abrazo. Azril
[12:55:39] Azril: When exactly is this chat top be? At what time??? Good work, Pierre! Abrazo. Azril. PD: Suggest that we have a parallel telephone list, in case there are complications with the chat via skype. I am currently thinking of two sessions: (1) A follow-up from our successful panel on Dialogue between Religions and Civilizations and (2) Managament of Nuclear Waste. Abrazo. Azril Is it taking place right now???
[15:15:08] After lunch
[15:06:21] IC.extension: hello we are back
follow us in youtube search for "esperanza efessem"
There is a 3h stream of this morning meeting
Now afternoon meeting will start in a few moments
[15:18:00] Mallory : Is it the same link as before?
[15:18:03] uddhab : ok: good
[15:18:16] IC.extension: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNSgIkwTqp Y
[15:18:25] Mallory : Thank you!
[15:18:46] IC.extension: there is a large delay 3/4 mn
now this afernoon :
Exposition on political situation in Tunisia
Then pause
Then international situation and movement situation till 7pm tonight UTC+1
[15:24:54] IC.extension: who is around ?: soon starting
[15:28:25] Giuseppe : thanks again Pierre this is great! if you could make sure people don't speak into their mics the quality of the sound might improve enormously :)
[15:28:41] @29Abdelhafidh
Now ex president of university speaking and welcoming in IC
we are mobilized even more than last time and try to improve
now giving the floor to UGTT Asma faya general secretary
then Abdeljellil FTDES
then Rafaella
[15:35:13] *** a invité marcel eric asma, danny, fatimata Gustavo Youssef, kashif Boa ***
[15:34:41] @30 Asma -UGTT
[15:34:46] we try t have en efficient role in civil society
So Tunisia can get through a sort of crisis
after the elections we feel somehow relieved
we thank IC for having chosen Tunisian as a venue for WSFand having accepted UGTT in this council
i thank civil society which respect our effort in organization of WSF
Would like to assert thanks to my comrades who travelled for afar to this meeting and promise to join effort
We pledge to improve from last time,not to satisfy ourselves but to make some visits so they know Tunisia better, we will work towards the success of this forum
[15:40:43] IC.extension: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNSgIkwTqpY
[15:39:07] @31A
i was form university El Manara a long time
[i was asked to speak about political situation in Tunisia nearly final result that allow analysis
Growth rate fell from 4% a year to 1.5% 5% inflation rising budgetary deficit rising 6% GNP payment balance deficit degraded 8% GNP importation rising on oil and food public debt from 2010 x 1.7
[15:47:36] Wilhelmina : you tube not working no sound bad camera work
there was an internet break now resuminghttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUGkY88973poKprpx3UsN5Q check this link
[15:54:23 people chamber - 85 nida tunes liberal modernists - 69 Enahda, 16 for a fake party with millionnaire at his head, 15 popular front
concerns about stability
nida tunes + afat tunis + union national libre, three liberal modernist
109 siege 1 over majority very weak, adding popular front 15
more comfortable but less homogeneous
Enahda+ nida tunes possible
[16:02:49] giuseppe : and welcome back
[16:03:18] IC.extension: end of exposure on Tunisia brief and informative
[16:03:45] *** invité torsten, yoshihide***
[16:04:30] uddhab : good data
[16:04:39] IC.extension: thanks uddhab
[16:05:11] uddhab : thanks for it
[16:06:26] .eric: bonsoir
[16:06:33] IC.extension: (hello eric)this is english chat and french speaking videos
[16:07:51] Gustavo ottawa: What is the "agenda" there?
[16:08:09] .eric: ok
[16:08:41] @32Diakalia
has two questions
what is capacity of trade union and civil society to influcen the situation
what was the use of the debet
[16:11:41] @33Hassania
asking a question
what has changed in strategies of the parties
especially in the democrats and nahda
[16:13:41] @34Moema
What is happening in the neighboring countries and interaction between democratic Tunisan and them
Relation with expression of civil moments in political space
question about continuity of national dialogue after the elections
Invest in those social movements
What do you think about capacity of action of new government
[16:15:51] @35 Brahmi
in the three scenario, there is continued degradation
[16:17:41] @36 Abderahmane FTDES answering
There is a data for politician think about 17 dec to 14 jan
Since 2003 we saw rise of new movement and emigrations
2008 was the upturn in mining region of Gafsa
from 17 dec following day after day and mottos social profile of casualties
Last 10 years of Ben Ali social movement and civil society countered Ben Ali power
Technocrat government have no idea of the real country
Lampedusa - school drop out - salafism - people have no more patience
: daily struggle 8 mmilions of people have IDs there is 1 milion less voters than 2011
in sidi bouzid there is a lot of abstention
i see that there will be a lot of struggles there should be more alliance between social movement and protest, social martyrs they should get their share
Dubious political - corruption lobby in th parliament -new business and dirty money in political
Fiscal reform - social movement will have a hard time
WSF comes timely regarding these hardships
[16:25:26] @37 Abdeljellil answering questions
[16debt has been used for debate and basic operation no useful impact
you are invited by civil society in Tunisia that has real power
people have voted Nida Tuness to put Enahda in second position, many people have done that
abstention has reinforced Enahda: they have disciplined voters and lost 600000 votes
lack of resources :
Nida Tuness may prefer alliance with Enhada for two reasons
have their candidate supported for president
Neutralize opponent in view of difficult government ahead
but it is a costly coalition creating tension in nida tunes, same inside Enahda
I expect national dialogue to be useful to handle this delicate situation
Situation in Libya out of control
Democratic transition experience is bathed in hostility from our neighbors
i expect civil society to be fed up: civil society have ups and downs they can fatigue
2011 was a high; let us hope not, let us remember that it is civil society who countered Enahda at its peak - i would have liked Enahda to go to election while still in power and civil society would just have three commissions on its back: nomination in public service - neutrality of mosques - use of public money
Enahda got a break and could reorganize, was clever enough to maintain fuzziness about supporting a presidential candidate
Balance of Enahda and troika was postponed by candidates
Enahda maneuvered well and keeps second position
solidarity of social movement and staying alert is very needed - a lot of reforms are coming that touch everyday life of citizens
[16:41:33] @38 Abdelhafidh
in 2013 we were really concerned and worried , now we are much thanking all of them
we know that for social movement situation is never easy -new challenges
On behalf from all of us, we have to thank democratic forces and civil society road is difficult but you keep it open
Thanks to organizing committee -their work provide us possibility to be here in one the region which are the most crucial in the planet
Thanks to Maghreb social forum dynamics which is keeping alive strong and united dynamics of WSF itself
i hope after coffee break we can contribute
[16:44:52] @39Taofik
Those who want to contribute to solidarity fund, Ahlem will collect them
[16:45:43] 15mn Coffe break
[16:46:00] Mallory : How can we contribute online to the solidarity fund?
[16:47:24] IC.extension: good question Mallory, will ask ahlem
[16:54:44] Mallory : Thx
[17:05:43] Azril: It seems to be the case that Tunez is doing better than Europe in respect to widening and deepening the democratic process. In Sweden, the extreme rigth party: the so-called "Swedish Democrats" doubled their numbers, whose origin is neo-Nazi (and remain closely linked) has become the third political party in the parliament, is represented in more than 200 municipal governments, is represented in various national committees and are "legally" entitled to obtain over 4 million swedish crowns from SIDA to "assist" their sister parties in third world countries. Explicit neo-nazi partries (2 of them) are represented in at least 2 municipalities. The social forum has markedly decline in Sweden after the European Social Forum 2008 in Malmö, for reasons not addressed nor dealt with until now. The closest to the WSF-process in Sweden right now is "Friends of the Earth" working for "environmental and climate justice"...At least in Uppsala, the red-green coalition won the municipal government. With social-democrats so close to the conservative alliance, it is difficult to appraise their next steps. One good step in the international political arena is the recognition of Palestine as a national-state. The proposed budget from the "red-green" coalition that won the elections will be a litmus test for its political future. The result depends very much on the position of the "Swedish-Democrats." If the proposed budget does not pass the vote, there will likely be a political crisis and new elections. One of the skills appreciated in Lovgren by the bourgeois is that he made his political career in negotiating for the metal labor union. He repeatedly calls for negotiation and cooperation accross political boundaries, from his centrist position. A week ago, he was unable to take to Brussels the position of the environmental party to lower the levels of C02 in the EU discussion and position concerning the next climate summits (Perú, hardly talked about in december 2014) and Paris (2015). Nordic actions are being planned against the nuclear plant in Finland, during november. Scattered protest actions are taking place against Swedish proximity to (and eventual membership) to Nato, magnified by a 2-weeks media frenzy about the encroachment of russian U-boats in the swedish archipielago, like 20 years ago, with no U-boat being detected and with millions of crowns wasted, seemingly for the navy to get more funds...C'est ça mes amis, for the time being. Abrazos. Azril
[17:08:39] IC.extension: thanks azril
mallory we will bring sometime the iban code of FTDES for a wire transinterpreters are asking to stand up
[17:24:14] Azril: leaving the session to attend the presentation of 2 books on Peru...return tomorrow. At what time on this part of the world???
9am [17:25:19] Azril: OK! Thanks.
[17:05:00] @40Gus
in Casablanca we had decided to open a debate you can find it here: in openfsm.net search "newci" general page 9 contributions
Arguments are often heard that WSF is exhausted : i do not share this, world situation has changed a lot and we have not been able to adapt
There is a change in capitalist globalization 2008-2011 WSF was able to take this change into account in Belem 2009, crisis of neoliberalism does not mean end of neoliberalism
we see in Tunisia that all parties define themselves in relation to neoliberalism
in Belem some movement spoke via campesina and indigenous movement said it was a civilization crisis ( redefine relationship with nature and put in question occidental modernity)
Movements who constituted the forum were better heard with this analysis in 2009 2010
A series of issues were taken by governments encounters after 2008 - commission of UN with Joseph stiglitz and amartya sen
Change occurred after 2011 we saw popular explosions - answers from people - Tunisian revolution irruption of people
Tunisie Egypt indignados chilenos occupy Quebec turkey rio Hong Kong
people get through a breach (annah arendt) many people in the streets but no political transformation
All these movements have claims similar to Tunisia - dignity domination - exploitation of nature inequality -there is a kind of "program"
system was able to reinforce domination political and military - zone of security issues and conflicts
we need to take stock of what movement bear since 2011
[17:35:15] Azril:
the issue for me is why we (WSF/ESF) are not yet able to write "the agENDA" for the peoples (social movements) of the world??? most existing governments, including our "progressive" governments continue to carry neoliberal extractivist and industrialist policies with populist-clientelistic measures not devoid of corruption...our hope lies in social movements and increasingly even in progressive churches, like the new pope and the swedish church - with a wide moral or ethical and inspirational impact right now. For instance, K.G. Hammar, a former archbishop in Sweden has written a book on "Holy Peace," which is read throughout Sweden. He supported and partook in the ESF 2008 in Malmö, for those who remember...
Take stock of digital cultural revolution ecological revolution
we realize that workers movement from which stems the forum somehow
it grew from 1905 to 1970 made revolution - delocalization - imposed new deal- besieged centre countries …..then 40 years of recess
2011: a change of trend?
globalization has changed in the last 10 years video started again normalization of globalization is differentiated by region south America - three Africas - three Asias - Europes - north America
new situations of confrontations between movements and dominant groups resuming .. crisis of us hegemony
[17:46:29] IC.extension:resuming sorry for internet problems, please tell me when you see image and soound again
[17:46:51] Giuseppe : ah no apologies Pierre, it certainly is not your fault :) thanks again
[17:48:08] Cecilia : Hi Pierre dont worry we all have Gus document
[17:48:48] IC.extension: thanks Cecilia and welcome
[17:49:36] Cecilia : I´ve been following in silence...jeje but in few minutes I will need to leave: yes! thanks
[17:50:21] Giuseppe : ah well this is good we can always watch it later
[17:47:05] alterglobalist movement is not the forum only
is the anti-systemic movement
Zapatistas are not in the forum, we do not group all movement of resistance,we group one part
[17:49:41] quoting Gramsci
convince movement that another world is possible
anyway the video is recorded ....
new movements appearing
WSF confronted to fatigue of movement that gaive birht to forum
how to include new movement
a difficult question
many people say those movements have failed
some other say these movement have not intelligible way - whatare the traces let by these movements
“it is a bit early to tell” if revolutions of 2011 have failed ( Mao asked about french revolutin)
it is not about defining ; but ..
[17:55:51] IC.extension: applause
[17:56:07] @41Rafaella
Could we go longer than 7pm
[18:02:27] Wilhelmina : was the question about who was present answered?
[18:03:14] IC.extension: (which question Wilhelmina?)
[18:04:27] Wilhelmina : sorry Pierre who was in the meeting just picked up number
(Wilhelmina there was finally no presentation round)
[18:07:37] *** Cecilia is gone ***
[17:56:57] @42Moema
[separate issue of analyse of conjuncture of our momevnt in our region and the isue of WSF is left for tomorrow
[18:00:08] Rafaella
[18:02:38] @43Roger
In north America, a crucial question is the emergence of climatic movement
1/Development of an alliance between indigenous and other ( pipeline tar sand etc.. they are at forefront)
Any social forum in north America should address this
of people
2/ bridge with trade union movement
400 000 people in new york
Emergence of something crucial
Social forum movement can contribute several quality
[18:06:16] @44 Youssef
[Palestine PNGO we hesitate same debate friends of Palestine are fatigue Palestine should build their country
What happened in Gaza
Climate environment any subject can include Palestine
Egypt should be up to its responsibilities Lebanon
Strategy to hit Lebanon
it is up to Tunisia to speak about
There is a Daech ( Islamic state ISIS) in israel and north America
Palestinian people will always resist
[18:11:13] @45 Moema
There is a very fragmented reality in south America, very difficult to converge
We had suddenly some government but big transnational have been brilliant in putting themselves behind and leaving the appearance
Lula Evo the promise was of big transformation
They decided extractivist economy - a big boom of mining and agro business
This tends to oppose movements between themselves and difficult to converge
Left has not a comprehensive answer to the capitalist crisis comprehensive narrative
We implement what is possible in the frame of capitalism
Environmental agenda is more invisible in Latin America than in Canada
Narrative that can combine
[18:15:45] @46 Genevieve
incapable of speaking of moment in Europe in 4 mn
3 points
1/We see emerging things that are under the table
Struggle about trade agreements Tafta etc is good
role of multinationals: power is not in the government and good to have campaigns that were at the base of alter-globalism
Question of democracy is everywhere and that unites us
Denial and capture of democracy by transnationals
2/ There is acceleration of base struggles about socio environment issues - big useless project decided above populations, struggles that set up the democracy and natural resources issues
These are not struggles to get a little more in the system, these are systemic struggles that set the model in question
we have a young man dead in France a few days ago, in a demonstration against a useless dam, there is criminalization of social movements
3/ question of climate : make climate a concrete questions - stake is to show how climate change reach out to fragile populations - building climate justice - Alternatiba process has important success in France
it is part of our history should not cut things
[18:20:46] @47 Damien
(abong) thanks to Gus
in Latin America governments have included some proposal from social forum
But economic policy has not changed
Ambiguity of government that do not question and also ambiguity of social movement in relaton to the state
Capacity of critique has gone down
WSF is not an alterglobalist movement - we have many differences - we are in a space - atlerglobalism lowers the adhesion - but this word is not adapted
forum is a space in the struggle for another world
We have gone in some isolation and lost contact with other initiatives
We oppose to what ? we make alliance with who?
We have problems . WSF is a planetary mobilization - we need to have relations with others movements and governments
example: agenda post 2015 in UN …what is the WSF position-?
why not invite pope in WSF ?
[18:25:10] @48 Cesare
Analyze better the other movements that are not in WSF process
Without us having perceived what was moving - there were other things moving like religion
Islamism appears as a hope for poor
as Christianity of origins
There are other social movements - other are leaving to religion
if the pope has made a revolutionary call - forced expulsion described as war act
our analyses should produce better output
Request on of people crossing Mediterranean go beyond our capacity of analysis and invention
Decision of evolution of WSF process
It is not only a place - where one is happy because one has spoken
In 2016 there is habitat III
what will be said ?
Change our vision and way of doing
Capacity to launch commitments engagement
[18:31:03] @49 Hector
We are facing the end of cycle where we were capable to build big social articulation hemispheric alliance WSF other networks
we won ideological battle – in Mar del Plata Alca Ftaa was defeated
We were at the offensive
in some regions we transform into political powers in south America
a new cycle is open by social movements we do not know
we are discussing, there is no clear thing
Many social organizations that used to come to WSF have met with the pope in Vatican they created a world social coordination with support of the pope
This is the problem of WSF - has been expression of state of social movement -state of confusion is that we do not find how to articulate movements at global scale
What will be he wil the exit of capitalism we discussed that - and now it is clear
Deepening neo-liberalism and state of war everywhere
neo-liberalism of war
Very aggressive everywhere launching new offensives
only evo is winning the rest is receding in south America
we are facing a dilemma
Capitalism has social basis everywhere
we should try to find reasons that could put together social movements
wenned to ighg
WSF is reflect of state of situation of social movements
we fought but did not win credibility problems find a new perspective
how WSF could be a way to make this ideological battle
Mexico is a dramatic example fo neo-liberalism and war
[18:41:52] *** boa is gone ***
[18:38:51] @50 Solange
Two weeks ago was Africa social forum in Dakar
Exchange focused about - leave resources to Congo we could live with this - how many years of war
here there are no road
not only economical aspects calamities
Africa is field of struggle of superpowers competition
Mali war is fought for positioning
when you speak about democracy what does it mean - president imposed for 30 years
Africa has blue yellow rose helmets
All theses point were debated in Senegal
i hope that our thinking focused on domination on Africa
Some countries can go centuries back
FTA country by contry to oblige them
now by region
Africa is living war
What is possible to do
People have not crossed arms -
People is struggling in Burkina - but army chief has taken charge
No democracy manipulation and pressure
African continent is an essential part of the world
Democracy resource militarization should be in good place with Islamism
Cameroun Nigeria are being hostaged
There is support text circulating for Burkinabe people in struggle
[18:48:30] @51 Fathi
Thanks Gus for the document on WSF
I hope translation will be made -it is a important text
Putting in visibility any point in relation to WSF
Why do have a tendency to leave important movement i the world
Their absence is weakening the WSF
Where are important movements
I see little movements and familiar faces
we focus on debate
we are fed up with debate we need solutions
Touristic visit and then back home
Social movement must created change - Chavez had proposed think of change stop debating
Document of Porto Alegre - is it a bible? must not be touched? is obsolete must be changed
move
Why trade union do not propose global protest the same day
Are you afraid of decisions ?
If we support a global protest - more useful that talk
WSF is an opportunity to see each other and make tourism?
WSF in Tunisia good points and also bad points - was a nearly touristic event
40 km from Tunis there are women that earn breakfast cost in Zurich
Recall the visit in Sidi Bouzid
Family of martyrs
Would have been more useful
Hope charter will change, when do we work on the ground
[18:54:51] @52 Vittorio
Gus document is interesting, but optimistic
This is not crisis of capitalism, just a new step of concentration
20% control 80 %, now 8% are controlling 82% banks, in Switzerland
International organized crime is inside financial system
In Europe - economic and financial thinking of conservatisms and socialists have same options
We lost big opportunity because we had been the first global movement in 2001
When the crisis happened we were not able to do anything
In Italy poverty is growing up and left social movement is not able to organize my enemy is my neighbor, there is no alliance Risk of extreme right Formal democracy
Important to link local situation with global problem :African people should discuss negative impact of EPA /APE, Social desertification in Europe linked to tafta
i hope that tomorrow we can take some action about peace - we cannot forget 2003 - now the pope is speaking and we are silent
we will be full of global war
[19:00:49] @53Hassania
[19:01:11] @54 Azza
Fmat : built by forum dynamics on agrarian reform
Food insecurity is linked to lack of access to productive resource
FMAT end of 2015 Acterre fao and many organizations
There will be a debate
Access and usage of land resources 4 axes
Comparing efficiency of various models
Articulation proposed with WSF, fmat follow up of WSF
[19:05:28] @55 Samuel
What is the reason for being stalled ?
we have difficulty to “reduce our northern consumption while upgrading living condition in the south”, this is a good challenge that my generation will have to face
Organizations hate risk while new movement have a greater tolerance ti risk technological and organizational
For international council there is incapacity to have groups taking initiative
It would be simple to have a Paypal account to receive money. it is not done because there is no one doing it
It is just a challenge find people that understand these technologies accept new people with a difference of language and strategy perspective
Stay optimistic as there is no other way
[19:09:43] @56 Ayman
Speaking of protest in Tunisian
starting before French colonization
After three year social movement continue hela education etc
What is alarming
i hop there wil be movement in order to answer - go from protest to program
when speaking of WSF - protest against eocnomgy and social right
be active in wsf is in direct relation with wider public - WSF should look for solution a d technqe on inlcude all
new generation ened a good framing as the WSF
[19:12:19] @57 Raffaella
we will brig the contant of thise disusion for tomorrow dzbate
: we have to pay our room
[21:50:28] Mallory : mallory we will bring sometime the iban code of FTDES for a wire transfer
Thanks!
November 1st
[02:12:30] gina: Dear all, only now I can follow, thanks Pierre for this effort!!!
[08:21:59] Azril: Starting 1 november..."Podemos" is an emerging new movement/party that should be present at WSF 2015 as well as the "Asamblea de los Pueblos" from Perú, amONG other like the chain of protests in Mexico about the massacre of students in Iguala. Extractivism remains a powerful way to articulate environmental and global justice movements all over the planetarian place.I believe that non-violence could be updated in terms of the "Holy Peace" envisioned by KG Hammar (former archbishop in Sweden) added to actual training workshop on non-violence and civil disobedience. Abrazos matinales. Azril
[09:23:09] IC extension: hello hola Gina
[09:31:04] starting presentation round
Younes
Pierre
Francisco
Hugo
Francine
Chico
Moema
Liege
Rogelio
Leonardo
Damien
Rita
Césare
Souha iah Tunisie
(censing notes are incomplete)
right side
marbendana université manoubea
Annie novox
Genevieve attac
Gus crid franz fanon
Christian transform
Hassania fma femnet
Danny sinfoma
Solange road raffela
Brahim cadtm marco
Chaima comisionvoonair
Souhayla manda
aimet mahmpou
sifen comité bénévole
Racha comité femme
Dia ltdh
vittoro
Hechmi dustouna
Chabit udc
Anou uget
Fabien
Nils
Juliette impa aitc
Hamouda cuoture fsm
Pascale crid
Paul forium parelemenairemondail gue
FTDES kairouan
Zina FTDES kaserine
ouatrara
UGTT Tunisie
Mahen centre FTDES kairouan
Mouhideedine
Alaa
ltdh Tunis
[09:42:53] @58 president of league of human rights
(could not take notes) ..... frustration
[09:42:53] @59 Intervention of a newly elected deputy
(could not take notes
[09:54:47] @60 Raffaela - reading the call for Kurdish
in English
(circulating a text to be signed by members and participants – not in the name of IC)
[10:01:27] @61Genevieve -solidarity with Testet
One casualty 21 year old killed by a grenade by the police in a demonstration against an absurd dam
Express solidarity - destruction of damp zone
Remi is dead after a non violent gathering of 5000 people
one year before COP21 we ask government to stop absurd project
illustrated radicalization of elites in the capture of resources
(circulating a text to be signed by members and participants – not in the name of IC)
[10:09:53] @62 Solange
About Burkina and depart of blaise compaore
(circulating a text to be signed by members and participants – not in the name of IC)
[10:12:53] @63 Rita about Palestine
[10:16:53] @64 Youssef about Palestine
[10:20:02] @65 Moema
last two interventions are more complex proposals, that require a decision from IC need to be discussed later
[10:20:07]@66 Hector
in English
Mexico 43 students out of 20000 disappeared
[10:23:14] IC extension: good morning Giuseppe
[10:27:51] @67 Rafaella
Only the beginning of debate
not an attempt for a synthesis of yesterday
More debate and investigate differences that can be richness
Short lines are e remember of what we discussed yesterday
Recall our discussion
Discussion about future of forum is strictly connected
Only a recall
1/ we are facing a great offensive very heavy and strong of finance capitalism
using the neoliberal crisis ad old geopolitical balance to destroy right and democracy that affirms dignity to privatize public space and politicians
2/ resistance are everywhere too by organized civil society
political social and cultural movements
building elements of new anti-systemic vision
3/ despite all this we feel we are weaker than it is needed, we suffer from fragmentation and dispersion different crisis in different regions
We are trapped in our local dimension of crises and not able to improve common strategy and alliance to be effective not at the level which the war would need
Suffer from a lack of clear of strong proposals from progressive politics
Big part have accepted to be part of the system
This produced empty space and lot of monsters can grow up
war between poor racism fundamentalism everywhere affecting people that should be on our side
Compared to ten years ago we are much more numerous and no so anti also
We have to take or own responsibilities
: :)
[10:37:40] @68 Damien
This is not a summary, this is an interpretation does not
This is an intervention - i understand Rafaella
but this is a view point, this is not representing what was said yesterday
[10:39:17] @69 Hamouda
Be positive, keep hope, have a dream
There was Tricontinental, Bandung, many positive things, Seattle Quebec
We do not have resources to communicate between ourselves
Paper on secretariat: there was no return
if we go on this way, i will hang up
[10:43:55] @70 Chico
Open debate after reflection with Gina and Giuseppe Raise questions
World has changed
in 2001 we discover we were many and too divided, and we had a mutual acknowledgment process, go beyond bureaucracies, give voice to voiceless, towards new political culture
time is passing world has changed
More articulation but far from having reached some part of the world
Many place have not received the message that another world is possible
And even less have received the message that a new political culture is possible
it became a process :not the WSF event the WSF process
Forums have multiplied – local and recently thematic
What is it we experiment now - on one side the strength of thematic and local forums
Am enthusiastic about a thematic social forum on nuclear energy in Japan it is a strong idea
The strength of this forum idea is ongoing
What is problematic is the world social forum : where? Why? How? Who?
We have problems in our IC : IC was more linked to WSF than to WSF process
The website gave information, but was only engaged in WSF
As WSF forum are in a problematic state, IC is also in problematic state
We must no conceal the problem
This IC meeting is nice, but there are few members present
IC and WSF are a problem
Enemies would say exhaustion i say problem
What are the problem
Many view point to launch discussion Moema Gina Giuseppe
i launch two perspectives
Process perspective - must be continuing, no one can interrupt this
if we are to continue process, IC must be able to help
We do not lack strategy of WSF, what is lacking is general strategy of movements
In front of power that is in people’s head
strategy of global social movement is lacking
Define one to overcome capitalism in current situation
if we get to this, we find aging a role for WSF event in this strategy
What is the role of this event
Many things have been achieved
Find a new role in this new reality
in this strategy
Great priority is this - weakness of system is this
How to make a strategy?
Have a good seminar on this before and during WSF 2015
Thematic world social forum on strategy for overcoming capitalism
Make a seminar
i have not combined anything with Annie who is co chairing this sequence
Open debate without prejudice, think and find the new path
or movement find a strategy towards overcoming of capitalism, or WSF event stays “in the air”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1icR4DjPE0
[11:06:15] @71 Annie
Novox movement is a baby of the WSF, it started against the way WSF is organized
Objective to give place to voiceless in the forum
Academic form
we managed somehow, we got to a stand on the form
Something we do not understand
Yesterday we saw
1/ a difference between movement is the way to manage time
Invent new rights to conquer - needs being acknowledged and immediate visibility in the forum
2/ another world is possible tomorrow far away
It is difficult to be heard: “buen vivir” is far away, and Ideological war will be long
Answer at the same time to expression of movement that struggle for their rights
and 2/ we bear a philosophical ideal
Combine this two times
Why not go back
We have messed up
Why have we stopped about polycentric forums?
We reinvent regional and continental forums
We have lost many movements for simple reason : it is expensive to be in a social forum
it is easier to take a bus to a regional forum, or set up caravans
go to people live instead of calling them to come in an event
self organizing of a political route
on thematic forums there were some achievement but they did not enrich WSF with their dynamics: migration and democracy and science
but other ....
How will we manage tomorrow?
Difficult that we do not trust in an elite corps
We distrust movement we do not know this fear
inclusive strategy
we are most into middle class movement let us face it, while forum should carry all dimensions
3/ we fix new ways and new norms : associate movements in the design of campaign
4/ last problem - how to proceed
i am happy to be in Tunis - in solidarity of a democratic process that is enough for me
[11:10:15] Break
Break and solidarity photo with Kobane and french struggle on Testet dam
[11:40:15] @72 Mohieddine
[11:50:15] @73 X Paperless
Could not take notes
[11:58:24] @74 Francisco
Let us accept what we are
Why have a discussion on this
What Chico propose about strategy discussion, this is a need but this is overemphasizing what we are
From a modest gathering
take what we are, do what we can
[11:59:38] @75 Francine
On social rights and social protection
Many project applauded are compatible with neoliberalism
[12:09:33] @76 Raphael
Forum Articulate two times : socialization of youth and convergence in the organizing process
[12:11:52] @77 Nathalie
Our discussion are not alimented by new political culture in IC
We have not implemented any of our decisions so we are not up to the challenges
[12:18:55] @78 Fathi
[12:19:06] IC extension: (lost with stream)
[12:19:09] @79Taofik
There is assessment in what is being said - make it explicit
Make assessment more directly: IC is routine we waste resources
In 2004 2006 great effort of opening and expansion
some people had taken
[12:27:58] @80 Pierre
Agree that IC is ill positioned and tied to WSF event while at the same time irresponsible , but we can View IC as secretariat of WSF process, this means that organizations dedicate resources staff or volunteers to take charge of practical tasks to keep the process visible to itself and running
[12:29:44] @81 Carminda
we still need a WSF we will show some ideas
[12:30:26] @82 Mohamed
(culture commission) Everybody agrees WSF is made of social movement some leave the forum why ?
some ideas have been emitted but we do not see how to implement
[12:34:35] @83 Cesare
[12:34:47] we were enthusiasts in 2001
Capitalism is still there and alterglobalism too
if we dissolve IC will alterglobalism disappear ? I think not
People in Tunisia have asked to host forum to have an incidence
Support to systemic changes: there is need of a new structure
so that WSF is not a simple school but have an incidence
Decide actions not propose them
Movement that do not praise enough added value for WSF efficiency for change
[12:38:30] @84 Vittorio
New movements emerge in WSF then walk away by themselves
WSF cannot be like a market fair without direction
Which are our enemies?
we need to organize actions against these
Convergence assembly is not enough
Choose 3 points and call everyone to do something together: eg financial speculation
[12:43:42] @85 Roger
1/ Social forum - not a word windmill
many movements in Canada ignored WSF and we have interested some of them in WSF
2/ student movement “carre rouge” and “idle no more”, we search systematically for their representatives to be spokesperson for PSF on those issues
We have innovate about structures: we have set up regional committee in 15 cities
We have set up caucus that have veto right on PSF
Caucus of Quebec, women, colored people etc
This allowed each force to impose thematic and struggles
This may not be a general model, in midterm US war is preparing a WSF grouping people from middle east people could help
Pipeline battle is involving hundreds of thousands of young
[12:48:42] @86 Brahim
We feel energy of WSF has been lost
Participation and visibility have gone down
Participation of WSF against capitalism - capitalism has gone beyond
find other areas of militancy that are more efficient than WSF
: sense of crisis that need to be overcome
broth of discussion reinventing the forum
WSF is the only place
1/ we speak about dynamics of forum re integrating movements
how ??
as Chico said invest in debates that give
2/WSF must develop and review structure
: Initiative space, not just debate
demonstration about iraq in 2003
but in 2015 which concrete initiatives? Libya?
[12:53:13] @87 Hector
not good two long presentation at the start and small ones afterwards
we are at the opening of a new cycle, and we have not enough answers
Hemispheric social alliance from Canada to Argentina
in this new period
Nothing is re-adaptable in an automatic way and nothing lasting forever
Need to discuss in a rational way what we are facing
Is WSF useful? Does it have impact?
need to grow and rescue fundamental things
...
Will movement who went to meet with the pope come?
many networks and appointments
Why would they come to WSF?
[13:01:32] @88 Halima
I join in a bizarre discussion: i feel people reduce WSF to international IC: This is problem of what is called IC
To my understanding WSF goes beyond this: it is this dream that motivates movements that felt something deep uniting them
faced to war machinery and greedy capitalism - people have resisted no to war polution
Victims are moving against trusts and mafias
we felt the international mafia in the region
This conflict cannot be explained only by local people action, also those producing arms are part of it
i am part of women dynamics, feminization of poverty
WSF may not be the ideal form to accompany
dynamics are here women
this form of IC may be cannot accompany movements
[13:05:41] @89 Leonardo
I hear the words articulation converge synergy cooperation etc
other words: Youth north future
[13:12:32] @90 Liege
: ...
[13:14:54] @91 Rafaella
i think WSF is necessary: find a new step
Useful not for us, but for alternative movements
Take seriously in consideration what Chico said at the end
after Tunisia, we shoudl decide to propose a big seminar on the strategy of alternative social movements inviting everywhere to be part of the preparation of the seminar
Which can help
proposal to be discussed step of discontinuity which does not close our history but help not to go on in a tired way
[13:17:12] @92 Genevieve
we have a final crisis of both social democracy reformist and radical branches, and we are part of this crisis in IC
First intervention remain in radical social democracy
We will be exhausted if we remain
I am sure that WSF and IC are part of this future
What would be the world if there were no struggles
We can invert our look: if we reason in terms of central power conquest we have lost
We can form is making visible what is invisible
if we look for power this looks miserable and it is not
Because powers repress strongly this
it is vital that in IC na social forum all that is for climatic justice
they need to be represented in WSF and we missed this here
[13:21:00] @93 Abdelhafidh
Bring my Testimony : WSF brought a lot to us in Tunisia
in its actual form it is important and efficient
No reason to be pessimistic: we are a concrete case
i have not enough time to list the advances in social thinking etc that we capitalize
Before WSF few people knew WSF in Tunisia now people talk about it
its exhaustion is not the case it is our head that we see that this form is not enough to break dominations
This is a realistic view
we are in the phase of reflex ion and Drawbacks can be improved
i advise IC to get modern ways to collect info and assemsen
it is not forbidden to use technique to promote social aims
i call for a platform people to give opinion
put in place mechanisms
[13:26:06] @94 Mokhtar
5000 student that have no place to sleep
more networking needed to have results
[13:29:04] @95 Moema
Forum is useful, otherwise we would be in the swimming pool nearby : we think this we who are here
The question is that the one that left and those who do not feel like coming
How many of the social movement invited by the pope are here? one : novox
We have discussed Francine Gina Giuseppe have given efefort
It is not true what liege says
I agree with Hector that we are at the end of a cycle
Agree with Francisco not pretend to be all, but try to be more than now
Agree with Chico -to have a strategy seminar and Prepare it quite well
Invite the key social movements
Seminar or forum about forum
Hamouda is making a summary of key elements of discussion with good methodology
What could be the good suggestion for the service of movement for another posible world
Hamouda will highlight points
[13:39:18] Lunch break back in 1h30mn
[15:28:30] Azril: The proposal to have a preparatory seminar and organizational meeting sounds very sound, to appraise both what we have learned from the "first cycle" and to explore and develop our next steps. There is no other space like the WSF to meet, listen, learn and support each other in our own challenges and struggles, still sharing our charter of principles to begin with. The UN System is clearly not the place. The rich have the World Economic Forum in Davos, the Peoples and their social movements have the WSF - or?
[15:34:33] IC extension: hello
[15:37:27] Giuseppe : welcome back Pierre!
[15:40:02] IC extension: soon starting esperanza efessem part 5 on air
[15:43:41] @96 Hamouda
Maintain WSF as a convergence place
solidarity for action s
Review other
(could not take notes)
[15:53:53] @97 Francisco
Why postpone again ?
[15:54:09] @98 Damien
[15:54:12] @99 Moema
Question of IC is not dissociable
Inviting people that are not here
In the meanwhile, this is the IC that we have
Proposal coming from Chico
Have a deeper debate from the reality of movements
Up to now the proposal we have are not realistic
[15:55:51] @100 Francine
We receive tomorrow morning from Chico a proposal for a strategic seminar
We take into account what has been discussed
Not coming from the sky
[15:58:44] @101Francisco
Makes no sense
[15:59:16] IC extension: starting again part6 sound "ok"
[15:59:36] @102Taofik
No fundamental contradiction
This seminar has sense if he gets to concrete proposal and WSF proves adapted to WSF context
[16:00:38] @103 Diakalia
We wait tomorrow for proposal from Chico
[16:01:19] IC extension: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvAMgExMRV4
About Secretariat of IC
[16:02:22] @104Taofik
It was decided to transfer secretariat to Maghreb placed in FTDES
[16:04:43] Meena : The strategy seminar is a very good idea. Is it to happen before the event in Tunis or before?
[16:05:29] IC extension: i think after we will know better tomorrow
[16:05:38] Giuseppe : Meena the full proposal will be made tomorrow but i the idea is to have it during the forum
[16:06:02] Meena : ok good
[16:06:35] IC extension: if you want to intervene in the discussion you are welcome to tell me and write a few lines i will read them when your turn comes
[16:06:56] Giuseppe : thanks for this too Pierre!
[16:04:04] @105 Liege
How does the secretariat operate?
(Liege said thre was no information about the new secretariat)
[16:07:59] @106 Moema
Agrees that there is no much concrete about it
We do not know with who we communicate
Leave this meeting with concrete information
[16:08:57] @107 Diakalia
Friends from Tunis, where and who is the secretariat?
[16:09:54] @108 Mohieddine
We expected the IC to define tasks
We have answered since Casablanca that we agree to take charge of secretariat
We know how it costs
We will welcome the person
IC should define tasks and how to work
[16:10:56] Meena : I shall comment when Chico has made his proposal. He is makign it right?
[16:11:09] IC extension: he wil make this timorrow meena
[16:11:39] Meena : ok
[16:12:04] @109 Gus
In Ottawa 20 January? we discussed secretariat
In the paper sent by Hamouda are some inputs about secretariat
1/list of 6 tasks - 6
1/ follow the mailing lists of IC, they are not updated
2/ website
3 / WSF preparation
4/ info
5/ follow of process events 40 per year
6/ active memory of WSF
Do we retain those 6 tasks ? who is volunteering for those tasks?
1 and 2 from Tunis and one person in Tunis
[16:16:19] IC extension: (restarting video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeIkswF9fRw
[16:17:00] @110 Francisco
Which legal structure will have the secretariat?
[16:19:13] @111Taofik
Helio was putting in contact the various dynamics and that was interesting
FTDES can be legal representation of secretariat
There can be other entities co managing it - Brazilian expression can be added: etc
finance responsibility is FTDES
[16:21:05] @112 Rita
We rushed in the decision to move secretariat to Tunis there was no demand for that either in Tunis or in brazil: and did not debate and inform
The 3rd task (WSF preparation?) - is beyond scope bureau is secretariat -IC in crisis
We should have made it in a better way
Organizations in brazil are working in memory project they cannot …
[16:24:52] @113 Hassania
We trusted the Brazilians, and we lost track
Concrete proposal we need a new secretariat change concept
Other concept and other people
[16:29:51] @114 Moema
Proposes a meeting on this tonight
Rita working on Memory until to have a proper documentation and transfer
Working plan
[16:33:36] @115 Pierre
1/ secretariat should work in conjunction of working groups with IC members that contribute to making a secretariat of the process ( eg – WSFcalendar group started in Dhaka, and possibly memory group defined in Casablanca)
These group could coordinate Contribution from IC organizations to the visibility and dissemination of the process
2/ openFSM website is an asset of IC, with 500 autonomous spaces, 3000 people with accounts and thousands more in mailing lists that IC supported in a statement in Casablanca
[16:34:46] @116 Mohieddine
we are preparing an organigram
[16:35:15] @117 Diakalia
Meeting tonight
FTDES
Pierre volunteered to support for the WSF calendar and openfsm
About Montreal forum
[16:36:52] @118 Raphael
status of Montreal preparation process
From the start for us organization process is conceived as a solution to the crisis of renewal of WSF
for us WSF is a mean - process is as important as event
Our objective is to favor convergence and energies
our commitment
build a organizational process wide and inclusive
Connect social forum together
3/ how to make link between WSF and new movements emerging
we carry our initiative since Tunis, since may 2013 we are not another dynamics which is PSF
we participate in this process
in December Casablanca meeting, There was acceptance of commitment of collect to work towards WSF 2016 in Montreal
We connected to a series of movement
it is fundamental that we put in place mechanism of getting closer - extended or
[16:39:52] @119 Carminda
We had contacts with Iraq, - Egypt ,- borj cedria Youth- Sarajevo 30 people - forum des peoples canada - forum locaux quebec bas st Laurent, African social forum
[16:42:11] @120 Samuel + Raphael
Dynamics for participation of western African participation ask for your support
Encounter of new social movement indignados and Agora 99 in Istanbul
we believe it is possible to be present through internet and in person
our commitment to WSF process goes through getting closer with WSF - we are preparing 100 people delegation from Quebec with strong trade union and Indian and students
we want also logistical continuity between WSF - delegation with public officers of airport and city
Capitalize on organization of WSF we want to collaborate with Tunisian
This delegation will come to Tunis
Also we have let a collaborative
USSF decentralize forum might have an antenna in Montreal June 15
we have been present all encounters of expansion in PSF
we have supported strategy of visibility of PSF - slowing our WSF mobilization at the request of PSF
we are eager to collaborate with PSF
We want to support pan-Canadian mobilizations
we make a report of our links to dynamics form PSF in next IC
we have a document of account for PSF and
[16:48:09] @121 Samuel
giving supporter list
325000 members network around those groups 1;2 millions of people according to a survey on 30% of our support
[we believe we have
we are listening on challenges set by alternatives
[16:51:23] @122 Roger
Thanks for this right to answer
I acknowledge the work and i know Raphael and Carminda
we will go on working with them
if we got to
so far no consensus
am not against the principle
2 unions out of 3 women federation student radical have not joined
work towards Anglophones has not been made - unions indigenous
will give the floor to Youssef from uniform trade union
We do not close the door
we propose the decision to be postponed
we propose an attempt of convergence and report be made in IC Tunis and discussion with Canadian delegation present in Tunis
Let us make sure that political and organization conditions are met
[16:55:36] IC extension: (video is reset)
[16:58:14] @123 Youssef
I am from UNIFORM,I have worked for PSF and worked on march with FTQ CSN, and I never heard of WSF 2016
CSN is not supportive FTQ will not give money
Outreach work of brothers and sisters has not been done in Anglophone Canada
We are not publicly against
We need a plan
92% of PSF money came from trade unions
We had lunch together with wsf2016 collective and did not take out knives
i proposed that we meet for labor caucus and get feedback from them and wait until Tunis 2015
Uniform will be here, sit and talk about a plan a make sure everything is in place to have a successful event
[17:01:34] break 15mn
[17:20:51] resuming
[17:21:01] @124 Diakalia
We want to go to Canada, There are some obstacle to move, so Canada is not a nightmare but a moment of relief
[17:23:14] @125Taofik
i have the experience of such debates - i believe the same debate is necessary
in Casablanca recalling what was agreed: a new cooperation process between south and north
( reading the Casablanca decision)
Since then, PSF and steps We can only call to further discussion. We need to be assured that more discussion take place
This forum is an essential asset to face a right government and indigenous and trade unions that ask to be included in the process. i find this positive. IC would be reassured
[17:27:37] @126 Chaima
Am against reporting decision as was done in Casablanca where formulation was diplomatic
Roger said that bigger organization have not signed and mentioned Tunisia as example
only some big association could face dictatorship
youth dynamics supports Montreal
[17:31:21] @127 Nathalie
New political culture consensus is a key point. We need a good dialogue and cannot postpone afer Tunis. Since 2007 we are on a WSF each two years and it was a good rhythm
3/ visa questions
[17:35:22] @128 Chico
We cannot go back on Casablanca and have no legitimacy in this meeting to change the decision
We never asked for unanimity to create a forum
we need to
First forum in the north is a challenge
Visa is a front of struggle political goal
It is a forum fundamentally organized by youth who take lead
Have this experience
As a youth i said this as an immense view
Will be organized by youth group
bet eyes
let us hope they succeed
Applause
[17:40:24] @129 Rita
support
[17:41:17] @130 Hector
Very important and old partners of WSF that are not involved in the current wsf2016 process
We cannot ignore this situation and need to wait for Tunis WSF IC meeting
[17:42:52]@131 Diakalia
« si jeunesse savait et si vieillesse pouvait » -« if youth knew and if Oldness could »
First dynamics by youth - Make room to youth
Would be difficult to question Casablanca decision; in term of representativity we are not qualified in capacity to make a decision
[17:45:38] @132 Damien
is questioning the synthesis made by Diakalia
i have a concern for including participation
it is not correct to postpone if we are not qualified to make a decision - so we continue
Let us be logical on decision process
[17:47:17] @133 Diakalia
i withdraw the word “capacity”
[17:47:30] @134 Hamouda
a decision was made in Casablanca with some qualifications
Put more energy on wsf2015 - and that whenever possible before Tunis they talk and give the decision, we also suggested 2017 date in Montreal meeting
[17:50:22] @135 Rafaela
Recall the decision we took in Casablanca: i was the one writing it
At the end we found consensus on the idea
We have the WSF 2015 and we accept the commitment of Quebec to work towards - we did not decide WSF2016. The only thing we can do is ask them to go on working
[17:52:58] @136 Raphael
We heard about 2017 in Montreal meeting in august and we have explored this with Montreal in 2017 –it is a no go,because it is all booked for 375 anniversary of the city
You have access for support in 2016 and 10 people delegation from city coming to Tunis
They give us many things metro youth camp universities. So i would close this door on 2017
Come back on what Damien said
it is not a proposal, it is organizing an event: that is what was decided in Casablanca
We are in dialogue process and extend a hand
We made a convergence assembly in PSF about convergences towards WSF2017 a good occasion of dialogue
I want to underline: we have a strategy we have a 15 page document
We have a collective of law student that want to work on the visa issue
it is evident that we need to work on indigenous
We strengthen we extend the hand
How we can include you according to your demands
We cannot go back on 2016
[17:58:29] @137 Roger
I appreciate the difficulty of this debate: a difficult situation
This decision does not imply a WSF event in Montreal
it is legitimate about lawyers discussion
My comrade Raphael has developed logistical view point and it is an excellent job, but this does not settle the political situation of consensus among social movements
we cannot leverage logistics to institutional logic or movements logic
it is prudent and relevant
[18:01:20] @138 Diakalia
it was a WSF event in casablanca
mohieddine chico damien
vittorio zied
[18:03:20] @139 Mouhieddine
Roger you proposed a way, give a way to dialogue
We will stay to this mechanics of dialogue
[18:05:54] @140 Chico
Lawyer discussion has no place here -
Common sense what do you want
Stimulated by word of youth
Stimulate and help them and not block them
Understanding your argument
Make an effort to get to a consensus before March
if not well see in march
[18:07:56] @141 Vittorio
I am worried that we discuss of the role of IC
we not discussing about WSF 2015 which is crucial for us
it is clear for everybody that 2016
as a doctor I say we have schizophrenic way of discussion
[18:10:42] @142 zied
Supporting Montreal
[18:11:06] @143 Damien
i coordinated the table in Casablanca with Raffaella
made a long report in Portuguese 21 about the decision
[18:13:49] @144 Taofik
Common sense should lead us - whatever the ambiguity of Casablanca this youth group has worked and we have other voices in Canada asking for dialogue
Please continue to dialogue and come in March with a consensus involving main forces of Canada
[18:19:06] @145 Leonardo
agree with damien
[18:19:12] @146 Hector
[18:19:14] IC extension: (lost)
November 2nd
Commissions groups held in the morning 9-11
[11:11:15]hello
soon starting after 9 simultaneous group meeting which made it impossible to stream
Starting
Come back on methodology
Chico proposal on international seminar to renew forum dynamics
Communication from Canadians
[11:07:19] @147 Chico
People and organization who signs this declaration - invite mutually to a meeting in Tunis just after WSF2015
in a seminar to answer the following question
facing the growing power ..... what must we do to make our struggle more efficient
: People who sign this proposal - can disseminate it - participate in the meeting during the meeting - participation organize this meeting
we will discuss at least in WSF
When? Where? How? to organize which steps of preparation - how should it be named?
What draft give to generation invitation for this world encounter
How to enlarge at max participation and organization of this meeting
Those who will come to the technical seminar in February will have possibility to prepare this meeting in WSF
Send their Raffaellea and Hamouda
Those who sign consider this will influence WSF event to make it more adequate to world reality
[11:17:19] @148 Francine
repeat the question
globalised capitalism currently in total war against life and democracy
[11:17:59] IC extension: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmXpCVUaCTQ
[11:18:52] @149 Amelie
Methodology Document is approved
[11:19:08] @150 Taofik
Restitution on methodology
1/ women assembly on opening of WSF 24
2/ march
Reading the document (trying to improve the sound)
Website opening 15 November
15 nov - 10 January
[11:28:58] Giuseppe : thanks Pierre the sound is quite ok now... it would be nice to have that document...
[11:29:16] @151 Roger
reading a statement
Quebec and Canada present in IC meeting pledge
2- Delegate pledge to ..
3/ q & c reoncifmer support WSF2015
4/ detailed report latest march 2015 on a potential WSF 2016
signed by Roger- Feroz – and Youssef uniform
[11:32:44] Giuseppe : who speaks now? after Roger?
[11:34:11] IC extension: Raphael from WSF2016 collective
[11:34:23] Giuseppe : thanks!
[11:32:16] @152 Raphael
reading another statement
[11:35:19] @153 Mohieddine
if you have ideas about organization of WSF ...
[11:41:23] @154 Halima - women
[11:41:25] @155 Francine
[11:41:33] @156 Moema
Seminar will take place after the IC
[11:42:30] @157 Patrice
I am not legitimate to speak in this IC - bridge initiative
we had invited - table of controversy in 2001
Was a trend then to be in WSF, now totally gone
in WSF2013 we did not perceive the message of WSF - how to make visible?
i started talking with Mohieddine
The route of WSF since begin
Awareness of the forum contribute and what is left to tread
Lula - find interlocutors - who have trodden a long path as he did
it may be a proposal if we work together
[11:46:40] @158 Cesare
Mobilization
[11:48:49] @159 Ala
from NoMad 08
He is talking about the materials that they have for the interpretation
The mobiles phones to use and other
Anyway, they do have a small problem which is they need to buy as soon as possible 2 receptors to use for the communication
[11:50:30] @160 Youth commission
They propose a national conference on the morning of 24 march the propose to add a page for youth into the website
They propose to create a communication between the logistic commissions to prepare an agenda for the events that they want to organize
Youth is to the most attractive, passionate people who will be present into the forum, and we will work with our partners to contribute for a better participation of youth in the world
[11:54:28] @161 Pierre :
Suggest to Nomad to provide output from interpreter booth so it can be used as sound for the streaming
From Extension Commission
we thanks the OC for their decision to have a commission created for the extension , and just to mention that Sofien will be the referent in Tunisia for the commission
[11:56 :28] @162 Representative from the communication commission:
They propose to add the Portuguese language into the website
The question of the logo now ! A lot of people have been talking and they didn't like the new one, but we are proposing a new one even that we think it's already taking as a decision ! so its for you to decide very fast at least but anyway we will be using this version for now
[11:58 :28] @163 About the mobilization ( Mohamed?)
We are working to ensure that everyone will be able to participate into it, we will try to include all the actors of the Tunisian civil society
About the immigration problem, we will have a forum specifically done for this problematic because it's been creating a lot of problems
[12:05 :28] @164 Volunteer commission :
There will be training for some volunteers who have been working into the FSM 2013
And who wants to do it again in 2015
We want that the volunteers be more active and present into the processes of preparation of the FSM.They are already present here today and they will be there in the other commission
[12:11:08] @165Taoufik :
Talking about a fact that could makes the forum either a failure or a success
This is the international mobilization
we need to be aware of it and we have to work to have as many people as we can for the world supporting as here in Tunis to be better representative and be a power that no one will be able to stop
[12:17:25] @166 Amal :
Commission for the handicapped people
They created a group of 30 people who will take in charge the visibility of this commission, the want to have a page dedicated for this commission
Their demands are :
Giving a better access to handicapped people into the site of the forum
Give a better access to those people into the marches that will take place
They would like to have more volunteers to work with them
[12:20:27] @167 Culture commission :
They would like to have a meeting with the communication commission, so they can understand their strategy, and so they probably include their activities into it
They developed a charter where they list some conditions for those artists who wants to participate
[12:27:56] @168 Mohamed
Talking about the website :
Technical stuff : this is official link www.fsm2015.org
For the inscription will be done via the website, but with the same techniques that they have been done before for the payment into the website
We will be working more to make it a better experience for us all
[12:30:39] @169 Laasad : Logistic coordinator
The logistic task is very related with the government Tunisian government
Anyway, there have been meetings via 2 commissions , and the government was there, and they accepted to be a part of the organization of the second FSM in Tunis
For so, there will be some work into the site, to prepare the accessibility for the handicapped people
We also talked about security , and we are working with the responsible for this and we will have as last time a secured FSM
We will be publishing all the conventions with the government into the website
There are a question that have been asked in many occasions, talking about if the second government is ready to take in charge the preparation of the second FSM
to respond to this , we ensure you all that we had the confirmation to keep the FSM one of the priorities
[12:37:38] @170 Zied :
The Youth section, present their proposal of creation an assembly for youth who will be talking about the right of having a free society with all the difference that could be including it
Proposition, to use the website of the FSM2015 as a place to share in it some things that have been shared in the websites of other organizations
[12:37:38] @171Genevieve? :
The climate change , is one of the problematic that have to be presented into the FSM
[12:44:54] @172Pierre
Would like to share with you all the new baby of the WSF Extension; the WSF CAFE
it's personal, individual and everyone can participate in it
for all member of the IC there is a list where we diffuse the tasks that could be done and have to be done to prepare the FSM Also present the space preparation international http://openfsm.net/projects/fsm2015wsf-prepint which gather useful information
[12:44:54] Giuseppe- Gina
[12:55:58] Giuseppe : Pierre can you say to the IC meeting that i wish to acknowledge your work and how that has allowed me and others to actually be there present virtually!
with my greetings and wishes to all! thanks
[13:12:05] Gina: Hola, I also want to say the same. I could follow the discussions and have an idea of what is happening without being there! Thanks Pierre and all the team.
[13:56:25] Gustavo ottawa: Thanks, Pierre and all, this is good information.
November 4th
Pierre
You are all welcome - thanks for you thanks - i could not convey your message in the meeting as everyone went to lunch and pack - so it could be good to send a message and the IC list or the international preparation list
please note that you could intervene and make inputs in the discusson, through chat and event audio ( as a third computer was ready for this ) during all those three days , this is a next step of tele participation that you can use effectively in a next opportunity
[08:01:03] Azril
Hello Hamouda and comrades. Trying to think strategically about possible sessions for WSF 2015: (1) Training workshop on Non-Violence and Civil Disobedience, (2) (Follow-Up) Dialogue between Religions, Ethics, Cultures and Civilizations" (3) On (mis)Management of Nuclear Waste (Tore , japanese environmental activist who moved with his family to Sweden after Fukushima, as proposed Key Speaker). Abrazo. Azril
[12:53:32] Gustavo ottawa: (1) & (2) are excellent
[14:19:45] Meena :
Thank you Pierre and team. This has been so very helpful. Cheers. See you in Tunis!
Pierre when is the seminar planned? Just after the Forum in Tunis or during?
[22:44:04] IC extension: thanks Meena - it is not clear yet ... will investigate