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 IC meeting April 24, 2021


video 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sNikdLczXc 

 

color code 

  • in black ES original  translated to english 
  • or EN (blue)  and  FR  kept original
  • PT original erratic translation to english 
  •  @ES > EN Spanish translated from original in French or English or Portuguese and translated again to ENglish

 


participants



CI AGENDA:

1- Welcome + Music (Rosy and Hamouda)

2- Build together a facilitation group WSF Mexico 2022: Expertise / difficulty / recommendation

(Marcela and Catherine)

• FG: Tunis (Alaa Talbi) 5mn @005

• FG: Montreal (Raphael Cannet) 5mn @009

• FG: Salvador de Bahia (Damien Hazard) 5mn @011

• FG: Virtual World Forum 2021 (Carlos Tiburcio) 5mn @019

• FG: Mexico (Rosy, Hector, Oscar) 10mn @EA013

5- Calendar of mobilization towards WSF 2022: (Ian, Zeno, Carminda, Pierre) 10mn @EA021 - @EA023

3- Synthesis: Catherine (5mn) @EA025

4- Debate for the establishment of an international FG Mexico 2022 - 50mn @EA033 - @EA048

6- Final Synthesis: Catherine (5mn) (not done) next meeting @EA049




notes EN 

(Transcript by Pierre according to video) 


@ EA001

@FR hamouda 

Merci beaucoup Rosy pour tout le travail en amont qui a été fait. Nous avons pour ces 2 heures de travail il y aura Marcela et Catherine. Catherine fera le rapport de cette reunion et un synthèse after chaque partie.

Comme ça; at the end; nous aurons des décisions que nous avons prises; and aura the presentation; On a essayé a peu de diversifier: the facilitator committee of Tunis, celui of Salvador de Bahia, of Montréal. A Montréal, is Carminda bad and pourra pas participer avec nous? Raphaël non plus ne peut pas il est avec les enfants ils sont dans le bois.Donc ils ont I sent a document that Marcela will present

On donne aussi la parole à Rosie et en et Oscar si ils sont là, pour nous parler a petit peu de comment ça s'est déroulé the discussion sur le Comité facilitateur de Mexico (from 17 April) 

In même temps on a eu une discussion avant le commencement dans notre reunion; C'était avec Yann for which point 5 or 6 of the agenda will be avant le débat, comme il nous parle a peu du processus, de toute cette mobilization et tout ça. Donc le point qui était le dernier de l'agenda va être après les différents groupes facilitateur pour explicar

Donc pour ne pas tarder, je laisse la parole à Marcela to commence the meeting

If nous avons a peu I discussed ça, c'est que also il faut, par rapport au calendrier de reunions que nous avions, que je vous avais sent déjà il y avait vraiment pas de réaction les gens l'ont pris comme ça, comme If it is moi tout seul qui decide, et j'aimerais que les gens réagissent à ce calendrier la

 Hector to dit la dernière fois, il ya des people who l'ont dit la dernière fois.

 Il ya eu des commentaires de Francine sur la list du CI par rapport à ce who passes in Ecuador et en Bolivie

 il ya eu des commentaires ça pourrait d'avoir des propositions 

peut-être de ce que Francine à present or voulu present, je parle à sa place, je vais la laisser parler pour qu'elle prene la parole at the end of ses 2h @ 1 c'est peut-être d'organiser quelque chose nous comme members du CI organize a seminar on the situation, and include a petit peu les différents intervenants dans ces situation là 

Et on construit notre process du Conseil international au moment opportune, it seems that I also thought that nous avons besoin du presentiel pour parler de plein de choses, of choses three depths that nous brought depuis une vingtaine d'années

 Il ya des choses comme les gens parlent de @ 2 la Charte il faut peut-être a groupe de travail who met on the charter pour lui donner a de vigueur à cette Charte , ou des trucs comme ça

A group of travail who goes travailler comme @ 3 Pierre has sent a document on the question of the issues of the International Council for the discussion on the issue of Casablanca in 2013, and on the subject of discussions là-dessus on pourrait reprendre cette discussion par rapport à ces documents là. 

Donc il ya des choses qui existent, il ya pas mal de choses @ 4le site CI is going to launch at my mai à peu près the premiere mouture du site. Il y aura pas mal de documents qu'on mettra dedans et on pourra continuer les discussions. Francine je te laisse une seconde pour parler comme ça on commence notre reunion 


@ES > EN hamouda

Thank you very much Rosy for all the previous work that has been done. We have for these 2 hours of work will be Marcela and Catherine. Catherine will report back on this meeting and provide a summary after each part.

A) Yes; in the end; we will have decisions that we have made; there will be the presentation; We tried to diversify a bit: the facilitating committee from Tunisia, the one from Salvador de Bahía, from Montreal. In Montreal, Carminda is ill and will not be able to participate with us? Raphaël cannot either, he is with the children, they are in the forest, so they sent a document that Marcela will present.

We also give the floor to Rosie and en and Oscar if they are there, so they can tell us a little about how the discussion was in the facilitating committee in Mexico (April 17)

At the same time, we had a discussion before the start of our meeting; It was with Yann that item 5 or 6 of the agenda would be before the debate, so he tells us a little about the process, all this mobilization and all that. So the item that was last on the agenda will be after the different facilitating groups explain

So, not to delay, I give the floor to Marcela to start the meeting.

If we have talked a bit about this, it is because it is also necessary, in relation to the meeting agenda that we had, that I had already sent you, there was really no reaction, people took it that way, as if I was the one who decided, and I would like people will react to this schedule there

 Héctor said the last time, there are people who said it the last time.

 there were comments from Francine on the CI list about what is happening in Ecuador and Bolivia

 there have been comments that might have some proposals

Maybe about what Francine presented or wanted to present, I speak for her, I will let her speak so that she can speak at the end of her 2h @ 1, perhaps it is to organize something we as members of the IC organize a seminar on the situation, and understand a little about the different stakeholders in these situations

And we are building our International Council process at the right time, because I also believe that we need face to face to talk about many things, very deep things that we have been dragging for twenty years.

 there are things like people talking about @ 2 the Charter, maybe we need a working group to join the charter to give this Charter some vigor, or things like that.

A working group that will work as @ 3Pierre sent a document on the question of the tasks of the International Council These tasks where they were discussed in Casablanca in 2013, and there were discussions about this, we could resume this discussion compared to these documents there. .

So there are things out there, there are quite a few things that @ 4the CI site will launch in mid-May around the first version of the site. There will be quite a few documents that we will include and we will be able to continue the discussions. Francine I'll give you a second to talk like this, we started our meeting



@ EA002

@FR Francine 

Merci Hamouda je voulais juste demander the program in fait of our meetings of the CI, it seems that d'abord on avait toute a series of meetings that concern the possible reports maintenant on est en train de changer, on part of the facilitation group, tout cela Okay, ce n'est pas une critique, pas du tout, je voulais juste demander @ 1 What is the program of CI future meetings? what will be consecrated to Mexico et qu'est-ce who will be consecrated events toujours aux possible réformes du CI merci


@ES > EN Francine

thank you Hamouda I just wanted to ask the actual program of our IC meetings, because first we had a whole series of meetings that refer to possible reforms now we are in the process of change, we are talking about a facilitation group, all that is fine , not a review at all, just wanted to ask @ 1 what is the timeline for future CI meetings? what will be dedicated to Mexico City and what will possibly always be dedicated to possible IC reforms thanks



@ EA003

@FR hamouda 

 Francine knows that you are going to faire, but that the meeting is due to the beginning of the Mexican meeting on April 17, @ 1o n avait dit if the meeting decides on a date for a meeting with the CI, nous changeons notre processus de discussion, on allait discuter sur le groupe de facilitation , parce que les Mexicains avait besoin de ça, pour voir qu'on est avec eux ou pas avec eux, donc c'est bon de discuter de ça, 

Et de la plein de monde plein de voix ont parlé de dire “@ 2 on préfère laisser les choses sur le Conseil international”, on le travaille tranquillement, et jusqu'à ce qu'on puisse être en présentiel, pour pouvoir parler et élaborer on fait 3 jours de discussion sur le subjet, au lieu faire des choses comme ça par internet

 More than a new program, not a program that nous avons fait, et d'aller tranquillement, comme les critères qu'on a eu la semaine dernière, on n'a pas encore finalized. @ 3 On a pris eu moi et Sheila, unite note par rapport à ce qui était dit , on va vous send the mouture finale, and the discussion will continue.

The même chose that Pierre Georges a fait sur les critères et @ 4 les tâches du Conseil international. il ya des documents qui ont été fait, more est-ce que ces documents vont être validés ou pas validés, et il faut qu'on ait une discussion là-dessus 

La même chose par rapport au secrétariat élargi: toutes les discussions depuis 2013 qu'il ya eu depuis 2013 est-ce que @ 5 le secrétariat elargie and 5 personnes de plus, 11 personnes de plus est-ce that c'est a committee of liaison? i l already une discussion on ne sais même pas de quoi on parle, parce qu'il ya tellement un vide,, un vide opérationnel, 

Quand le secrétariat été au Brésil et que Helio où les Brésiliens are occupaient, on en parlait pas du secrétariat, parce qu'il and avait de l'argent, et que les gens travaillaient, et personne n'en parlait, 

Mais depuis le secrétariat that est parti du Brésil et est dans une région allé du monde, là on secrétariat will commence à dire ...., Comme si c'était un secrétariat exécutif, mais ce n'est qu'un secrétariat opérationnel, qui ne fait qu'organiser des reunions, une newsletter essayer de travailler sur un site   On a as pris le secrétariat avec zéro dirham, et rien du tout, on est en train de remonter avec ce qu'on peut 

Voilà les discussions profondes qu'on devrait avoir les discussions sur les membership   sur le liaison committee qui existait avant

 est-ce que c'est pas le moment de refaire ça on l'appelle unite articulation avec un turnover et chaque 2 ans les groupes change et d'autres personnes arrivent pour faire le groupe d'articulation

 il ya des choses hein il faudrait qu'on progress 

Also, the decision is that the members are made from decisions or countries, signe or country, and are from discussions on the Internet and profonde il faudrait qu'on travaille dessus qu'il and ait des groupes de personnes qui sortent de notre memberships

 @ 6 of the members who are not the ones who disagree nous quatre personnes 5 personnes on va travailler sur ce document, on vous l'envoie, comme ce que j'ai fait avec sheila par rapport au Critères On va vous l'envoyer et on continue the discussion par rapport à l'adhésion, par rapport à tout ça, 

on est dans un truc collégial, il faut continuer calmement, parce qu'on est très loin on se voit pas, on ne se voit qu'en virtuel, et c'est difficile.On a passé un et demi en virtuel et c 'est pas facile et énervant. 

Même nous au Maroc quand on fait les reunion avec nos amis que sont à Tangier, on les fait virtuellement, et ça start 2h for the start of a point à l'autre du Maroc, il faut des autorisations. c'est énervant c'est fatiguant. 

Tout est stoppée tout le mouvement est stoppé, on ne fait rien tout ce qu'on fait on le fait en virtuel en 2.0 et c'est fatiguant pour tout le monde

@ 7 Donc il faut avoir de la patience et inchallah in expectant that Mexico goes être ouvert , qu'on va être en présentiel là-bas, et qu'on pourra discuss, se déchirer, s'embrasser , et le reste donc je laisse la parole à Marcela et on continue la discussion pour le reste, merci beaucoup

 Il ya la traduction Marcella tu as toutes les traductions sont là


@ES > EN hamouda

 Francine, what am I going to do, since the last meeting we had before the Mexican assembly on April 17 @ 1 we said that if the assembly decides a date for a meeting with the IC, we are changing our discussion process, we would discuss about the facilitation group, because the Mexicans needed that, to see if we are with them or not with them, so it is good to discuss that,

And many people, many voices spoke of saying "@ 2 we prefer to leave things at the International Council", we work on it in silence, and until we can be face to face , to be able to speak and elaborate we have 3 days of discussion on the subject, instead of doing things like that on the internet

 but that does not prevent us from programming our program that we have carried out, and to march calmly, like the criteria we had last week, we have not yet finalized. @ 3 We take Sheila and I a note compared to what was said, we will send you the final version, and the discussion will continue.

The same thing that Pierre Georges did about the criteria and @ 4 the tasks of the International Council. There are documents that have been made, but will these documents be validated or not, and do we need to have a discussion about this?

The same with regard to the expanded secretariat: all the discussions since 2013 that have taken place since 2013 are @ 5 the expanded secretariat there are 5 more people, 11 more people, is it a liaison committee? There is a discussion that we do not even know what we are talking about, because there is so much emptiness, an operational emptiness,

When the secretariat was in Brazil and Helio where the Brazilians took care of it, we did not talk about the secretariat, because there was money and people were working and nobody talked about it,

But since the secretariat left Brazil and went to a region of the world, we started to say secretariat…., As if it were an executive secretariat, but it is only an operational secretariat, which not only organizes meetings, a newsletter trying to work in a site We take the secretariat with zero dirham, and nothing at all, we are in the process of getting back up with what we can

These are the in-depth discussions we should have in the liaison committee membership discussions that existed before.

 Isn't it time to do that again? We call it articulation with rotation and every 2 years the groups change and other people arrive to do the articulation group.

 there are things uh that we must move on

There is also the decision of whether the members make decisions or not, sign or not, these are internal and deep discussions in which we must work that there are groups of people who come out of our members.

 @ 6 of the members who are there that four people tell us 5 people will work on this document, we will send it to you, like what I did with sheila in relation to the Criteria We will send it to you and we continue the discussion about membership, about all that,

we are in a university thing, we have to remain calm, because we are far away we do not see each other, we only see each other virtually, and it is difficult. We spent a year and a half in virtual and that is not easy and annoying.

Even we in Morocco when we meet our friends who are in Tangier, we do it virtually, and it takes 2 hours to get from one point to another in Morocco, we need permits. it's annoying it's tiring.

Everything stops all movement stops, we do nothing everything we do we do it virtual in 2.0 and it is exhausting for everyone

@ 7 So you have to be patient and inchallah hoping that Mexico City is open, that we are face to face there, and that we can discuss, fight, kiss, and the rest so I leave the floor to Marcela and we continue the discussion for him rest, thank you very much

 is Marcella's translation you have all the translations are there



@ EA004

@FR Marcela

Donc c'est ça l'idée first point aujourd'hui de la Réunion merci beaucoup tout le monde bonjour c'est Catherine et moi qui avons la tâche aujourd'hui de faciliter la Réunion 

on to a premiere. point. Pour preparer cette reunion, on it is disait that c'était important de pouvoir @ 1 connaître les experiences des derniers forum sociaux par rapport à l'organisation des Comité de Facilitation au Comité international, s'il and en a eu, et le lien avec the local organization committee

Donc on prpose des présentations des 4 derniers forum Tunis Montreal Salvador et le forum virtuell principally, pour qu'il nous présentent leur experience  qu'est-ce qu'ils ont fait concrètement 

@ 2 c'est quoi les liaisons c'est quoi les recommandations? et supply qu'est-ce qu'il ne faut pas faire ok? donc l'idée c'est de se presenter in five minutes, supply pour pouvoir orient the discussion that nous aurions avoir later, suite à ces présentations 

Donc on a invited in premier Alaa du Forum social Tunis. Alaa 5 minutes


@ES > EN Marcela

So that's today's first idea from the Reunion. Thank you very much to all. Hello, it is Catherine and I who have the task today to facilitate the Meeting.

we have a first. point. To prepare for this meeting, we told ourselves that it was important to be able @ 1 to learn about the experiences of recent social forums in relation to the organization of facilitation committees in the International Committee, if any, and the link with the local organizing committee

That is why we present you presentations from the last 4 Tunis Montreal Salvador forums and the virtual forum mainly, so that you can present your experience to us, what you did specifically

@ 2 what are connections what are recommendations? and above all what not to do ok? So the idea is to introduce yourself in five minutes, especially to guide the discussion that we would have later, following these presentations.

So first we invited Alaa from the Tunis Social Forum. Alaa 5 minutes



@ EA005

@FR Alaa

Salut all the world and say that you are going to share a peu de l'expérience d'organisation du Forum social à Tunis in 2013 and in 2015. You will savez as the premier experience in the maghrébine region the premier.

 Peut-être à mentionner c'est qu'il and avait a direct implication of members of the committee of the Maghreb suivi du Maghreb in the processus d'organization, but also an implication of representatives of CI with a presence physique à Tunis Durant les préparatifs 

Il y avait an organigramme très clair et très basique, base sur des principes clairs du forum qui sont l'horizontalité, l'inclusion, la diversité, et le consensus

@ 1 / The committee : il and avait a pilotage committee, which is composed of organizations and of recognized persons for the role of the process of the World Social Forum in the Maghreb Mashrek in Afrique mais aussi au leveau international 

The organizations of the people who adhere fully to the charter of princes of the World Social Forum , and the organizations that are involved in the process of the années on the Tunisian forum for the economic droits et sociaux, des syndicats l'UGTT, the Ligue des droits de l'Homme, des members du forum Maghreb MaShrek, du secretariat du FSM 

It is in our pilotage committee été ouvert par principe à une représentation pleine et entière au committee of suivi du FS Maghreb Machrek et also comme je l'ai explained on the  membre du Conseil internationa l

The modalities of cette participation ont été définie par les différents acteurs, in relation to the committee of pilotage et le secretariat

@ 2 / Vite fait le rôle à l'époque du pilotage committee avait pour tâches et responsabilites the mise en work des decisions du Conseil international pour Tunis 2013 ou 2015, the coordination du FSM sur et also l'interface avec le CI et le Maghreb-Machrek committee, and the supervision of the secretariat of the FSM à Tunis in 2013 and 2015 

et ce committee also at the moment, a fait des appels aux commissions pour s'assurer du de bon advancement de leur travail, leur suggérer des positions et des tâches supplémentaires parfois, mais also avait associe d'élargir la participation et améliorer la transversalité

 ils ont essayé parfois de creer un groupe de travail specifica ou inter commissio n

The était redevable committee devant le Conseil internationa l et also l'assemblée du FSM aTunis

@ 3 / après il and avait the committee of suivi du FSM était composée de facilitator of diverse commission and des intercommissions aussi, et des éventuels groupe de travail, even if the members of the pilotage committee 

Il était aussi ouvert aux autres groupes de travail du CI et des comités Maghreb 

 Machrek 

The suivi committee is a space for partage and commune programmation and coordination between the different acteurs involved in the committee meeting and at the minimum level of participation, and the advantage if on a besoin and the meetings ontété convened by the committee of pilotage , ou parfois sur proposition des commissions elle-mêmes

@ 4 / Il y avait also the secretariat of the FSM composed by a staff technique included by the pilotage committee, 

à l'époque il and avait une legal responsibility du FTDES pourquoi à l'époque the choix du FTDES il était an organization c'est vrai que elle a été creée in 2011, more elle était ancrée dans le processus de soutien des mouvements sociaux dans les pays du Maghreb Machrek, but also elle était dans le noyau du Forum social tunisien the committee of suivi du Forum social Maghreb-Machrek

 le secretariat été aussi par principe ouvert aux ressources et aux compétences du committee Maghreb-Machrek et du Conseil international, mais aussi il and avait des volontaires ayant des compétences reconnues 

@ 5 / The designation of a facilitator of the secretariat (romdhane) who avails a role of typiquement and strictness technique, of facilitation and coordination for exemple the groups of secretariat in respect of the princes of courtesy and of the legal system, mise en work suivi des proposals of the pilotage committee, the control of the meeting of the pilotage committee of the suivi committee, et de l'Assemblée du FSM

Il a assuré between autres, with the facilitators des commissions, a bon déroulement et de la mise en work du plan d'action et des forms de proposition d'amélioration et supply à l'intention du committee of pilotage et du committee of suivi

 I also facilitated the communication between the commissions and the leur contributed to the application need to participate in the formulation of propositions of different levels of the organization et aussi et ça c'est important, avec une relation avec la commission communication

 il a essayer d'assurer la perennité de la mémoire écrite audiovisuel also des différentes étapes du processus de l'organisation du forum

 the assuré also unites alimentation regulière du site web à l'époque et de son bon fonctionnement lors des page d'enregistrement et d'agglutination aussi des activités

il a établi le rapport narratif et financement du forum 

@ 6 / il and avait aussi les commissions du forum c'est commission tout le process d'organisation de toujours être accompagné par la création de commissions especialisées avec Tunis il and avait la clé création suivante tenue methodologie mobilization jeune communication femme culture logistique et aussi santé et sécurité (extension) 

et aussi unites commission for resources and avait pour mission de proposer mettre en euvre the strategy of mobilization des ressources coordonnées l'exécution budgetaire de proposer parfois des arbitrages budgetaires il and avait aussi pour Tunis c'est commission in order to guarantee a perfect coordination efforts et les plans d'action et dans l'optique de réussir l'ensemble de ce plan d'action de ce processus de preparation

 il and avait une réelle communication et une send de creer cette communication between the different commissions il and avait des listes mailing communes qui ont été creé also ouverte aux commissions et au groupe de travail du CI et au magmash committee m'adresser au Conseil Africain

Il and avait also des reunions regulières bilatérales between ses commissions ont été souhaité et envisager related to a level of communication and coordination et d'efficacité demanded

At last on pourra faire they bilan between 2015 and 2013 où on a réussi à des moments well determined il and avait parfois des choses qui ont pas été bien fait

@ 7 / Ce rôle des commissions dans l'organisation du forum 

premier him. The mobilization mobilizer faire participates in the chacun des domaines de l'organisation sur tous les réseaux les organizations, even that parfois les personnes volontaire et en

 from 

le Deuxième. Faire connaître le Forum social mondial . Comme on l'a dit, c'est la première fois à l'époque qu'il and avait a world forum in a espace maghrébin, but also in l'espace Mediterranéen 

Donc il y avait l'idée de faire connaître le Forum social etendre aussi are audience auprès des mouvements sociaux des associations à des grand public

 To propose also a plan of action for the contribution to the work and the optics also to advance the process of organization

 et alsi ils ont communiqué avec les autres commissions, the pilotage committee is the group of international travail du Conseil, related to an effective coordination between the different levels of organization of the FSM

 il and avait also des principe de fonctionnement de ces commissions quand ont été composé surouout based essentiellement sur un fonctionnement d'une manière inclusive et participative autoorganisée, transversale et démocratique 

c'est commission also reussi a mobiliser des ressources parfois la commission ressources rôle d'être d'un manière transversale with all commissions on the optique of the souci de transparence d'efficacité financière aussi, et de rester sur une forme intègre sur the question of the global budget of the FSM 

donc voilà donc c'est ça ce qui a été un peu l'organigramme du Forum social in 2013 or in 2015


@ ES > EN Alaa

Hello everyone, I have said that I am going to tell you a little about the experience of organizing the Social Forum in Tunis in 2013 and 2015. As you know, this is the first experience in the Maghreb region, the first.

 Perhaps to mention is that there was a direct participation of the members of the Maghreb monitoring committee in this organizational process, but also a participation of representatives of the CI with physical presence in Tunisia during the preparations.

There was a very clear and very basic organization chart, based on clear principles of the forum which are horizontality, inclusion, diversity and consensus.

@ 1 / The committee : there was a steering committee, which was made up of organizations and individuals recognized for their role in the process of the World Social Forum in the Maghreb Mashrek in Africa but also internationally

Organizations of people that fully adhere to the charter of principles of the World Social Forum, and organizations that have been in the process for years, we had the Tunisian forum for economic and social rights, UGTT unions, the League of Human Rights, members of the Maghreb Forum MaShrek, the WSF secretariat

is in our steering committee open in principle to full representation on the FS Maghreb Machrek monitoring committee and also as I explained to the members of the International Council

The modalities of this participation were defined by the different actors, in relation to the steering committee and the secretariat.

@ 2 / Quickly play the role that at the time of the steering committee had for the tasks and responsibilities the implementation of the decisions of the International Council for Tunisia 2013 or 2015, the coordination of the secure WSF and also the interface with the IC and the Maghreb -Machrek committee and supervision of the WSF secretariat in Tunis in 2013 and 2015

and this committee was also able at times to make calls to the commissions to ensure the smooth progress of their work, to suggest additional positions and tasks at times, but it had also partnered to expand participation and improve transversality.

 sometimes they tried to create a specific working group or between commissions

This committee was responsible to the International Council and also to the assembly of the WSF aTunis

@ 3 / after there was the WSF follow-up committee, it was made up of the facilitator of several commissions and also inter-commissions, and possible working groups, as well as the members of the steering committee

It was also open to other IC working groups and Maghreb committees.

 Mashrek

This monitoring committee is a space for exchange and joint programming and coordination between the different stakeholders involved. This committee meets at least once a month, and more if necessary, and these meetings have been called by the steering committee, or in occasions at the proposal of the committees themselves

@ 4 / There was also the WSF secretariat composed of technical personnel hired by the steering committee,

at that time there was a legal responsibility of the FTDES because at that time the election of the FTDES was an organization it is true that it was created in 2011, but it was anchored in the process of supporting social movements in the Maghreb countries Mashreq, but the follow-up committee of the Maghreb-Mashrek Social Forum was also at the core of the Tunis Social Forum

 In principle, the secretariat was also open to the resources and skills of the Maghreb-Machrek committee and the International Council, but there were also volunteers with recognized skills.

@ 5 / Appointed a secretariat facilitator (romdhane) who had a typical and strictly technical facilitation role and coordinated, for example, the secretariat groups respecting the principles of openness and equality, ensured the follow-up of the steering committee's implementation proposals, control of the meetings of the steering committee of the monitoring committee and of the WSF Assembly

He ensured, among other things, with the committee facilitators, the proper functioning and implementation of the action plan and the improvement proposals and especially for the steering committee and the monitoring committee.

 It also facilitated communication between the committees and gives them the necessary support participated in the formulation of proposals from different levels of the organization and also and this is important, with a relationship with the communication committee

 He tried to ensure the sustainability of the audiovisual written memory also of the different stages of the forum organization process.

 It also ensured a regular feeding of the website at the time and its correct functioning during the registration and agglutination pages also of the activities.

established the narrative report and forum funding

@ 6 / There were also the committees of the forum , it is the entire organization process that is always accompanied by the creation of specialized committees with Tunisia, there was the key after the creation carried out methodology mobilization communication young woman logistics culture and also health and safety ( extension)

and there was also a resource commission there was the mission of proposing to implement the coordinated resource mobilization strategy the budget execution of sometimes proposing budget arbitrations there was also a commission for Tunisia in order to guarantee a real coordination between efforts and action plans and to successfully complete this action plan of this preparation process

 there was real communication and a desire to create this communication between these different commissions there were common mailing lists that were also created open to the commissions and the IC working group and the magmash committee to contact the African Council

Regular bilateral meetings between its committees were also desired and considered in order to achieve the required level of communication and coordination and efficiency.

In the end, we will be able to make a balance between 2015 and 2013, where we did it at specific times, sometimes there were things that were not done well.

@ 7 / This role of the commissions in the organization of the forum

first. Mobilization mobilize involve in each of the areas of the organization in all the organization networks, as well as sometimes volunteers and in

 from

the second. Publicize the World Social Forum. As we have said, it was the first time at that time that there was a world forum in an area of ​​the Maghreb, but also in the Mediterranean area.

Then the idea arose to publicize the Social Forum to also extend its audience to social movements from associations to the general public.

 also propose an action plan for the contribution to the implementation and also with a view to advancing the organizational process

 and they also communicated with the other commissions, the steering committee is the working group of the International Council, in order to achieve effective coordination between these different levels of organization of the WSF

 There were also operating principles of these commissions when they were composed mainly based mainly on functioning in an inclusive and participatory, self-organized, transversal and democratic way.

This commission is also successful in mobilizing resources, sometimes the role of the resource commission to be cross-cutting with all its commissions with a view to the transparency of financial efficiency as well, and to remain in an honest way. on the question of the WSF budget

So this is what was in a way the organization chart of the Social Forum in 2013 or 2015




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@FR Marcela merci Alaa c'est très intéressant. On going to continue to exchange the on avait invited to carminda et Raphaël et aucun des deux n'a to come to carminda at été malade where nous ont sent a petite note et m'onté demanded de la lire. je sais que c'est pas l'idéal, mais je vais le faire 

@ES > EN Marcela thank you Alaa is very interesting. There we will be able to continue exchanging what we had invited Carminda and Raphael and none of them could come to Carminda, he was sick so they sent us a little note and asked me to read it. I know it's not ideal but I will

 

@ EA007

@FR Catherine quelle recommandation Alaa tu nous a fait une description très précise de l'organisation du FSM Tunis, mais si tu devais donner en deux trois mots quelles ont été les difficultés, qu'est-ce qui n'a pas marché, qu 'est-ce qu'il ne faudrait pas reproduire, et quelles recommandations

Est-ce what is possible to turn on a minute encore? là on a descriptif, mais je n'ai pas le difficultés les recommandations, il me manque les conclusions


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@ES > EN Catherine what recommendation Alaa gave us a very precise description of the organization of the WSF in Tunisia, but if she had to give in two or three words what were the difficulties, what did not work, what should not be reproduced and what recommendations

Is it possible to take one more minute? there we have a description, but I have no difficulty with the recommendations, I am missing the conclusions



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@FR Alaa s'il already a recommandation à faire, c'est @ 1 l'implication directe des members du CI et de secrétariat du CI dans l'organisation du Forum social 

It seems that on a besoin toujours de l'expertise, more aussi on a besoin parfois de régler il ya toujours des moments, il faut trancher sur certaines questions, soit that l'expertise des membres du secrétariat du CI sur une valeur ajoutée important pour l 'Organization du forum South le reste les difficultés, il ya toujours des difficultés, parfois ça also depend on the political context, parfois du context organisationnel lui-même, c'est pas facile parfois de gérer des différentes tendances

 C'est pour cette raison je tiens toujours à ex first that avoir des gens de Conseil international impliqués dans l'organisation les différents forums sociaux will be a grand apport pour la réussite de l'organisation du FSM


@ES > EN Alaa if there is a recommendation to make, @ 1 is the direct involvement of the IC members and the IC secretariat in the organization of the Social Forum

because we always need expertise, but sometimes we also need to settle there are always moments, we have to decide on certain issues, that is, the expertise of the members of the IC secretariat has an important added value for the organization of the forum. difficulties, there are always difficulties, sometimes it also depends on the political context, sometimes on the organizational context itself, sometimes it is not easy to handle different trends

  That is why I always want to express that the participation of people from the International Council in the organization of the different social forums will be a great contribution to the success of the organization of the WSF .



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@FR Marcela je vais donner lecture à la note de carminda et Raphaël 

Forum social 2016 de Montréal expertise difficultés recommandations à l'attention du Forum social 2022 au Mexique The FSM 2016 a day from 9 to 14 août à Montréal Canada il a rassemblé 35000 participants et 1182 organizations 225 sur the plan of the programmation il a donné lieu à 1049 activité autoogéré 55 cultural activites, 45 activités à distance, 23 assembles of convergence, 22 conferences, 8 forums thematic parallèles. il a deboouché sur 27 initiatives d'action

Du point de vue de l'organisation, is the result of 3 years of work l'été 2013 à l'été 2016 essentiellement bénévole, mené par le collectif FSM 2016 . The collectif rassemblait un centaine de persons, dont @ 1 deux tiers avec moins de 35 ans , et est issu de différentes culture organizations: étudiants, organismes communautaires, syndicaux, ONG, parti politique, mouvements sociaux. Pour beaucoup, il s'agissait de leur premiere organization at a WSF 

 @ 2 été réparti en des groupes de travail autogéré Accueil, logistics , programmation, service with participants, créativité social mondial, communication, mobilization et financière Chaque semaine on avait une rencontre de facilitation , permettait d'arriver le travail collectif Nous avons tenu plus de 180 rencontres de facilitation au cours de tout le processus de facilitation. @ 3 Dans la dernière année de travail, 6 persons ont été embauchées comme permanent pour assurer a suivi constant du travail du collectif 

Durant les dernières semaines de travail, the FSM collectif à rassemblé jusqu'à 750 people

Le coût global du FSM 2016 a été évaluée à 2 million Canadian dollars dont the moitié de manière non monétaire, contribution au service, notably des locaux et les benevoles Du point de vue du fonctionnement nous avons fonctionné avec a budget of 1 million dollar Repartie de 16 sources de subvention publique, 40% de contribution solidaire, et 40% d'autofinancement via les inscriptions

Difficulties majeures les visas : 70% off visa ont été refusés. Il aurait fallu travailler plus à l'avance avec les autorités,

 local mobilization and mediation, mediation @ 4 il aurait fallu imply davantage les organizations dans le collectif pour qu'elles mobilisent plus leurs membres et also interpeller les acteurs politiques pour donner plus de visibilité mediatique à l'événement


Comme recommandation: the WSF is in fact an event that is also a process, it also has to do with political issues, et des appels à l'action . Il doit also changed the culture politique in favor of participation, the prize de parole l'engagement, the conscientization, the democratization, 

@ 5Le processus organizationnel du FSM doit incarner les changements de l'appel 

Le processus d'organisation du forum tout autant that l'événement lui-même doit permettre d'ouvrir des nouvelles perspectives pour la transformation sociale, but also de permettre de former les nouvelles générations altermondialistes

It is important for the pertinence and the suite of the FSM of garder cella in tête tout au long de la preparation du prochain évènement

The FSM is situated in the local and global dynamics district, the international dynamics of @ 6 l'événement but permettre de dépasser les blocage politiques locaux qui divisent et oppose différents mouvements

The WSF is in soi a bon moteur de mobilization, mais pour lui donner encore plus de force, il faudra soigner la dynamique dans les territoires qui reçoivent le FSM , la construction des alternatives à la mondialisation néolibérale is built icii et maintenant penser global et agir local, mondialiser la solidarité et un racine et les solutions

 vous ou voilà la présentation du collectif FSM à Montréal

Je vais envoyer la document à Catherine


@ES > EN Marcela I will read the note from Carminda and Raphaël

Montreal Social Forum 2016 experience difficulties recommendations for the attention of the Social Forum 2022 in Mexico The WSF 2016 takes place from August 9 to 14 in Montreal Canada gathered 35,000 participants and 1,182 organizations 225 in terms of programming resulted in 1049 auto - managed activity 55 cultural activities, 45 remote activities, 23 convergence assemblies, 22 conferences, 8 parallel thematic forums. resulted in 27 action initiatives

From an organizational point of view, it is the result of 3 years of work from the summer of 2013 to the summer of 2016, mainly voluntary, led by the FSM 2016 collective. This collective brought together around a hundred people, including @ 1two thirds with children under 35 years of age . and it comes from different organizational cultures: students, community organizations, unions, NGOs, political parties, social movements. For many, this was their first organization in a WSF

 @ 2 was divided into self-managed work groups Reception, logistics, scheduling, service to participants, global social creativity, communication, mobilization and finances Every week we had a facilitation meeting, it allowed the collective work to be carried out We held more than 180 meetings of facilitation throughout the facilitation process. @ 3 In the last year of work, 6 people were hired as permanent employees to ensure constant monitoring of the work of the group

During the last weeks of work, the FSM collective gathered up to 750 people

The total cost of WSF 2016 was assessed at CAD 2 million, half of which was a non-monetary contribution to the service, mainly from facilities and volunteers. From an operational point of view we operate with a budget of US $ 1 million. . distributed 16 percent of the public subsidy, 40% of the solidarity contribution and 40% of the self-financing via enrollment

Hardship Visas: 70% of visas were denied. We should have worked more in advance with the authorities,

 local mobilization and media coverage, media coverage @ 4 the organizations should have been more involved in the collective to mobilize their members more and also call on political actors to give the event more media visibility


As a recommendation: the WSF is not just an event, it is also a process, it should also give rise to political statements and calls to action. It must also change the political culture promoting participation, discourse, commitment, awareness, democratization,

@ 5 The organizational process of the WSF must incorporate the changes of the convocation

The process of organizing the forum, as well as the event itself, should open up new perspectives for social transformation, but also form new generations of alter-globalization.

It is important for the relevance and continuation of the WSF to take this into account during the preparation of the next event.

The WSF is at the crossroads of local and global dynamics. The international dynamics of @ 6 the event can help to overcome the local political blocks that divide and oppose the different movements.

The WSF is in itself a good motor for mobilization, but to give it even more strength it will be necessary to take care of the dynamics in the territories that receive the WSF, the construction of alternatives to neoliberal globalization is being built here and now. think globally and act locally, globalize solidarity and root and solutions

 you or here is the presentation of the WSF collective in Montreal

I will send the document to Catherine



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Marcela Maintenant on va inviter Damien


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Damien 33mn 

Obrigado good day to all and all. I apologize for the fact that I apresentei as a fuso hourly thought that it will start in 15 minutes. Ainda bem that Hamuda tied me, you made a presentation and wanted to be able to divide and share the cloth then there

The idea is to quickly show the question how it was built or the forum, mainly from the perspective of the operating structure, does not provide a political endorsement, even because there is a fairly complete account prepared by the facilitating group. Então vou mais falar da organizational part

Então a people institution of operation: to people in various groups 

@ 1 / o first international council to be able to accompany, including several languages that represent 150 members, such as most of the 60 most active members, and 13 from Brazil that participate in the construction process 

@ 2 / o Brazilian collective or that was formed growing and reaching more than 1000 Organizações e movimentos 

@ 3 / o facilitated group whose idea of ​​facilitating the process and representing the Brazilian group and chegou a 26 Organizações e movimentos

@ 4 / O desk of the facilitating group that leaves the more operational facilitating group

@ 5/9 working group 300 people communication, financial project, methodology, mobilization, infrastructure, culture, solid economy, non-plural youth camp, and volunteering 

@ 6 / E from there onwards, we also have thematic committees with black women, people with deficiencies, indigenous people, various groups also recreate how to divide states that are not in control of the structure, institutions that have certain autonomy 

The territories of the FSM and the university pay a part of the city, a ter um bairro or bairro ITAPUA that will constitute rooms and control territories of its space Portanto isso levou ao na diversidade movimenta feel olhar no organogram 

We have a Brazilian group that is a major space or CI on the side of the 13 members that are part of the major group 

@ 7Ao collective center for people of the facilitating group of 26 organizations articulated with members of the facilitating group in each of two GTs, and isso fez that has a certain centrality not the facilitating group, and each member of the facilitating group was divided into responsibility for participating in each GT

State collectives and Thematic groups have more autonomy, some articulate internationally and others not

In reality, the most mobile item within this organogram

o GF then ended up designating or writing that it was Centralized, our organization but also its own GF University has centrality and also a certain decentralization

Isso levou a series of activity movements that, from the center moment, control, but wait for people to look for many initiatives , Central Police , several initiatives also autonomy, two movements

@ 8 quickly Here a quantity of meetings for you to perceive 68 in 2017 37 in 2018

 or Brazilian group that met only three times its own hair size of Brás difficult to carry out encounters presence and complicated 

also receive the youth group for meetings starting in 2018 and other cultural groups that will host many meetings in 2017 14 group of 

Solidária economy was very important to people perceived that there was autonomy of each group and the same time that each group's performance was very different from many groups 

Or cultural group that has very difficult to sign consensual positions. 

Each group has its dynamics to achieve or not to build coisas

E vou insist on the collective Brasília era or facilitating group with international participation


@ 9th Brazilian collective group was created from the IC meeting (from January 2017 to trust to make a decision to make a consultation to see if there will be conditions to carry out the forum Então more Dona animated 13 months before the forum 2018 we will raise or collective Baianos The Brazilian CI organizations create a Brazilian collective initially for consultation 


It was open space and when the decision was made only for the Brazilian collective idea, it became a space for consultation and construction of the World Social Forum event, we will not check more than a thousand organizations and just three more events are present. muita comunicação pela internet

@ 10 Because it was raised or facilitating group, it was basically raised and articulated or collective in Brazil to facilitate the process of conduction, and mainly to guarantee the execution of tasks " carregar or piano", hitting or weight 

Initially, it was thought of as a group for facilitating articulation, and not to be a group for political representation. But I finished fazendo isso (?) 

A rethinking composition of the environment or 21 member of 3 segments of the organization of two CIs 13 that do not feed integrating the facilitating group of the organizations of the Baiano 6 dessas Organizações e Organizações Brasileiras nacional 

all forms escorted nesses dois group groups in a consensual democratic way deixando autonomy for the group junho a negócio 2017

 To people perceived Depois dessa dates what time some organizations have not formalized their decision and at the eve of the forum we will continue to be integrated to no organizations committed to GF we have 26

 integral

@ 11 the criteria would be to be representative of the luta segment, if indicated by other organizations of the same segment, it was a commitment not to fish a name, plus construction and farm work, including people and time of dedication to be able to Participate in the criteria of having a diversity of lutas and themes within the GF that will represent diversities that were within the Brazilian collective

As a function, it was to guarantee coherence to transversality of communication within the process of mobilization and articulation of all types of actors within the fora do Brazil to accompany or work of the working group of 

make viable the main partnerships, financial measures,

 And also to solve the problems that will arise in the process, and we know that it will arise from a total of 10 meetings in 10 months

@ 12 A for international participation, and it is important to say that the facilitation group was not an international group. 

The first facilitating group to develop an intense work of articulation with different segments each one of its luta and was also traveled by articulated international segments in relation to its own luta

Also or facilitating group with several leaderships to invite national leaderships, and mainly international leaders, some of you know how much bem disso 

We also organize presence moments of participation of the CI group as Brazilian organizations, and mainly in methodological events 

@ 13 This is mainly the international seminar that was launched in October 2017 six months before , in order to promote an event of launches that signed the themes, from debates to the themes, to the thematic of feminist and black women, important and essa Firmão Esse seminar 6 months before with CI participation

A water divider was revealed in the International and International mobilization from when it was triggered

@ 14 We launched several inviting consultations for approach to participation, slogans, etc., or I would say that the form is more structured, let us have the role of the main facilitator group, written food, with the secretary of the CI  much more forte and also in a certain way with the group of 2016 that colocou At your disposal or site that was not used, plus I also got some financial resources

@ 15 We have participated in the work groups of some members of CI who want to say that this participation is not always Easy at the same time, but at the same time we have problems with this participation for the position, at times it is very solid, at the same time it is not able to give up of this very arrogant of CI members placing more acima of the Brazilian dynamics, playing as an interior of the activity, participating in the Cosmo activity, fazendo criticism at a time that is perceived as unfair of the type in the CI meeting "as Brazilian massas fala muito" and people felt um certain uncomfortable or unsuitable spaces

 For example, press conference solving CI problems

It is also very important and we support the resources of an organization, mainly it is not out of other international support.


@ 16 (chat) I try to send the presentation about the structure of the FSM 2018 operation but I don't get it here. Mandarei by e-mail.

 

 @ES Damien Damián 33mn Thank you good morning everyone. I'm sorry to have been presented with a time zone that I thought would start in 15 minutes. I'm glad Hamuda called me, I'm going to give a presentation and I wish I could share and share the screen so that's okay. The idea is to quickly show the question of how the forum was built and mainly from the perspective of the operational structure it does not provide a political assessment, also because there is a very complete report prepared by the facilitating group. So I'll talk more about the organizational part. So we have an operational instance: we have several groups

@ 1 / the first international council to be able to accompany even several languages ​​representing 150 members as you care more 60 are more active,and 13 from Brazil that participated in the construction process

@ 2 / the Brazilian collective that grew up and reached more than 1000 Organizations and movements

@ 3 / the facilitating group whose idea of ​​facilitating the process and representing the Brazilian collective reached 26 Organizations and movements

@ 4 / The office of the facilitating group that left the facilitating but operational group

@ 5/9 working group 300 people communication, financing project, methodology, mobilization, infrastructure, culture, solidarity economy, youth camp in plural and volunteering

 

@ 6 / And from then on the thematic committees also included black women, women with disabilities, indigenous people, various groups were recreated as well as the divided states were not under the control of the structure, instances that had a certain autonomy.The territories of the WSF are the university that pays part of the city, for having a neighborhood or the ITAPUA neighborhood that will constitute offices and territories to control its space. Therefore, this led to diversity in motion, to feel like looking at the organization. graphic We have a Brazilian collective that the largest space IC on the left side 13 members who are part of the largest collective

 

@ 7 In the center of the collective the people from the facilitating group of 26 organizations were articulated with members of the facilitating group in each of the GTs, and this meant that there was a certain centrality in the facilitating group, and in each member of the facilitating group. was divided into the responsibility of participating in each GT The state collectives and thematic groups had more autonomy,some are articulated internationally and others are not And in reality, it has more mobility within this organization chart. The GF therefore ended up designating the office that was centralized in an organization but also in the University itself GF was central and it is also a certain decentralization This gave rise to a series of activities of the movement that, from the central moment, went out of control, but they expect us to seek many initiatives, Central Poli, various autonomy initiatives as well, of the movements.

 

@ 8 quickly Here is the number of meetings to take into account 68 in 2017 37 in 2018 The Brazilian group in which they only met three times due to the very stature of Brás, difficult to hold face-to-face meetings and complicated, also receive meetings of groups of youth of 2018 and other cultural groups that held many meetings in 2017 14 The solidarity economy group was very important, we realized that there was autonomy for each group and at the same time that the performance of each group was very different from that of many groups. The cultural group that has great difficulty in establishing consensual positions.Each group had its dynamics managed or not to build things and I will insist that the Brasilia collective was the facilitating group with international participation

 

@ 9 the Brazilian collective group was created after the CI meeting (since January 2017 they trust in making the decision to arrange an appointment to see if there would be conditions to hold the forum. So more excited Donate 13 months before the 2018 forum that we created The Brazilian CI organizations Bahia collectives created a Brazilian collective initially to consult It was an open space and when the decision was made alone the idea of ​​the Brazilian collective changed a bit,it did not become a consultation space in the space to join and build the World Social Forum event when we reviewed more than a thousand organizations and only three face-to-face events a lot of Internet communication


@ 10 That is why the facilitating group was created, basically the Brasílerio collective was created and articulated to facilitate the process of conducting, and above all to guarantee the execution of the tasks "carrying the piano", taking the weight. Initially, it was thought of a more facilitating articulation group and not as a group of political representation.But you ended up doing it (?) The composition rethinks the environment the 21 members yes 3 segments the CI organizations the 13 that do not feed the facilitator group the Bahian organizations 6 of these Organizations and the Brazilian national Organizations All the forms chosen in these two group groups in a democratic consensual way leaving the autonomy of the group June to Business 2017 We realized After that date at what time some organization had not formalized its decision and until the eve of the forum we continued to join the committed organization of GF, we reached 26integral

 

@ 11 the criterion would be to be representative of the fighting segment, to be nominated by other organizations in the same segment, it was a commitment not to fish by name, but with construction and livestock jobs,including people and dedication of time to be able to participate and also the criteria of having a diversity of struggles and issues within FG that can represent the diversity that existed within the Brazilian community The function was to ensure coherence, transversality, communication within the process , the mobilization and articulation of all types of actors inside and outside Brazil to accompany the work of the working group to Enable the main associations, financial measures, and also to solve the problems that will arise in this process, and we know that they arose, gave a total of 10 meetings in 10 months

 

@ 12 A for international participation,It is important to say that the facilitation group was not an already viable international group if the facilitator group first developed an intense work of articulation with different segments each in their struggle and also toured international articulated segments in relation to their own struggle. The facilitating group also invited several leaders to invite national leaders, and especially international leaders, some of you know this very well. We also organize face-to-face moments of participation of the CI as a whole with Brazilian organizations, and mainly in methodological events.

 

@ 13 And then he highlighted mainly in the international seminar that was launched in October 2017 six months earlier, the importance of having a launch event that confirmed the issues, of debating the issues,the issue of the important black woman and feminist and this Signature This seminar 6 months before with the participation of CI A milestone in international and international mobilization was revealed, from there everything develops.

 

@ 14 We launched several invitations to consultations to get closer to participation, slogans, etc. I would say that in a more structured way we had a much stronger relationship with the main food facilitator group in the office with the IC secretariat and also in a way with the group from 2016 that put up the website that was not used, but It also placed and obtained some financial resources

 

@ 15 There was participation in the working groups of some members of the CI, I mean this participation in the fund always Easy sometimes, yes,but sometimes we had problems with this participation due to the sometimes very supportive attitude, sometimes I could not help to say very arrogant of the members of the IC, placing it above the Brazilian dynamics, judging from within the activity, judging the activity of Cosmo participating, making criticisms for being perceived as unfair of the type in the IC meeting "the Brazilian masses talk a lot" and we felt some discomfort with the inappropriate spaces, for example, a press conference to solve IC problems Although it was very important and we had the support of the resources of an organization mainly to remember other international supports.

 

@ 16 (chat) I try to send the presentation on the WSF 2018 work structure but I can't get it here. I will send it by email.sometimes I could not help saying very arrogant of the members of the IC, placing it above the Brazilian dynamics, judging from within the activity, judging the activity of Cosmo participating, criticizing for being perceived as unfair of the type in the IC meeting " the Brazilian masses talk a lot ”and we felt a certain discomfort in the inadequate spaces, for example, a press conference to solve CI problems. Although it was very important and we had the support of the resources of an organization mainly to remember other international support.

 

@ 16 (chat) I try to send the presentation on the WSF 2018 work structure but I can't get it here. I will send it by email.sometimes


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@IES > EN

Marcela Alô Carlos 

Please give me three minutes, please come in late because of the time frame, please give me three minutes to speak. 

Then they would have 10 minutes


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@IES > EN

Rosa: Here is Óscar, I don't know if Héctor didn't show up. I am going to briefly share what we have been doing to each other 

As you know in the Social Forum of Salvador Bahia in March 2018 at the end of the IC meeting and a scenario is set for the next world FS Portugal Brazil Mexico, and from Mexico we come with the task of making this count, some colleagues from the IC and they met in Mexico on November 18 after the Social Forum of Migrations

the process was encouraged in March 2019, and we had a series of meetings 

We made progress on some issues to form the collective, we advanced with various tasks until we defined many axes, but we saw that it was important to do this process in a more international way, and then the pandemic came to us, and with the pandemic, we stopped everything and started thinking especially in the IC and in the forum

We have now resumed returning from the virtual World Social Forum, when the process of the World Social Forum is reaffirmed to Mexico, and that this assembly of the constitution of the World Social Forum is convened. 

We have had two meetings so far, including the first the constitution assembly and the second assembly in this process. 

We had meetings with organizations to prepare the sessions and I am going to briefly share with you the latest agreements from the last session, why it has to do with the life of our forum in Mexico 

I'm going to share the screen is not something as nice as what Damien presented. It is a document that we build there together here 

50MN something that we raised in the previous meeting was when the Forum will be in Mexico analyzing the context in which we are and there was a consensus that January was a not so easy date to carry it out, because it usually rains us, it does cold, people are coming on vacation, and we already had several rounds of dialogue, and we wish that the best date to carry out the prosocial would be @ 1 around May Day , which can be before or after, to join the fight of the working class and adding makes us a global movement 

It is well to point out before continuing that a lot of organizations have come to this meeting in the first meeting 44 organizations, from the second we arrived around 50 with from all over the country, with various areas of action, at the regional level, in the North in the South Mesoamerica or at the Latin American level, some that have actions at the national level, work with women almost from all the states of the Mexican Republic, unions, cooperative organizations, universities, then the group that is constituting is quite immobilized.

Regarding where to carry out the Forum, we said that @ 2 was important in Mexico City, that it be the epicenter, that we can focus on the Zócalo , and that at the same time we also articulate the nearby spaces, such as universities, museums, and also a circuit perhaps what can go to the area that was recently opened: the Bosque de Chapultepec, the Los Pinos corridor

 But we could decide that, but at the same time that it is not only in Mexico City, which could be decentralized in other states of the Mexican Republic, that it was @ 3 in a hybrid way, how we have decided 

It is true that it will send as face-to-face and virtual learning and that it was the time in other countries that I had you in prison

And we had a point that seemed very important to us in this way, sharing knowing @ 4 the background of the World Social Forum

Here we agreed to invite them to participate invite the IC not to share a little the history of the forum, how it was born, where it was born, who promotes it, what were its objectives, what is the present and future of the forum, what is the relationship that we must have 

We are down to take advantage of the Saturday meeting, to share what should be the relationship between the International Council and the facilitating groups 

In this way, Damián contributed enough elements, and I think that we would be waiting for this to be shared 

@ 5 We agreed that this session would be for May 22 at 8 to facilitate and Mexico one in the afternoon of UTC GMT time, so that the largest number of members could be there, which makes us pass some of the Tunisian forums of the Moroccan forum, someone from Bombay, colleagues from Canada 

I think to have a general overview of where the forum has gone, and above all to make the process known to Mexican organizations , who do not know or have participated so actively in world social forums


@ 6 Regarding the objectives and goals , It is not indicated here, I will share another screen We said that it was important to resume the discussions of the session that took place on this day in this session 

I shared the document that was shared on the screen, and soon define a date to share, to do this analysis not 


56mn Here, in this team we work, Felix and I take up what had been discussed in previous meetings and meetings to prepare the objectives for the World Social Forum 


@ 7 and here we said that we should have two objectives, one that that fed the forum 

On the one hand, if the interior of the choir contribute with initiatives, projects, short-term and long-term goals, to make the forum a permanent process, with more articulation in common global agendas, than a greater emancipatory incidence, and build a global subject


@ 8 Alci advocacy towards the Social Forum in Mexico , we said that it was necessary to define projects with short medium-term impact, which achieve the various aspects of the previous objective in the Mexican space, but also Mesoamerica and North America , favoring national organizations order the processes carried out in the various regions

This implies a permanent process, in the process of greater articulation and Commitments, that has greater unity in common global agendas, that there is a greater emancipatory incidence,

 and to enhance our capacities to achieve it, and contribute to building the global subject 

Finishing the second objective, analyze the impact that we can have on the projects of the Empire, define strategies of the organizations that are members of the forum in the United States and Canada. 

Something that also emphasized the need to also account for what is happening in our territories, regarding the covid and the impacts of the pandemic,


And to continue with the meeting notes, Héctor arrived and Óscar Héctor can complete 

We were talking about the formation of commissions , here we talked about the series of criteria to form commissions, who would like could even in the Communication Commission, the Methodology Commission, how to start, as we progress in the process, defining other functions is We tried to move forward and reach @ 9 In the criteria To conform to the coordination space of the Mexican facilitating group , we talked about the following, a little taking up the most recent experience that we know of Salvador de Bahía is made up of national organizations organizations , appointed from the commissions

The commissions come and tell us and leave, give us a person to come in this process 

An organizations of the host city, and organizations that are part of the IC here we do not define how many, but that Damienl spoke of 13

Here we are not only 4 so far and we said that the minimum would be made up of 33% of women minimally, if it was a great time, and 25% of the organizations that are currently part of the Assembly 

That would be more or less

Resume these discussions of the relationship with the IC and on May 22 in general, since the agreements are generally approved

@ 10 That's where we go to our next meeting which will be on May 22nd. We want CI to participate and share the history of the forum with us, and share some experiences with us the last Salvador-Bahia, perhaps the colleagues who shared Tunes and in Mumbai for example, who are different, how was the organizational experience

I will give you the word Héctor and Óscar if you want to comment on something



@ EA014

@ES > EN

hector good morning I would like to search for comments but here we are if something else I will speak later no


@ EA015

@ES > EN

Oscar Bueno briefly Sergio Rozyi has made a very good people that what the mythical question has been doing 

@ 1 / It is important to note that all this has been done working in a very conducive environment , ease of communication in participation, and that all this tends to integrate a good facilitating group

@ 3 / Third has also been included among the works, not only everything related to what the organization itself is, but how to do to include objectives and goals, since the necessary reflection and debates, on what would be substantive issues , beyond the logistical, organizational, and articulation part

So some of us have been proposing that it be included, for example, already mentioned rozy the present and the future of the forum, how to go to this type of topic

 @ 4 / on the other hand, I had a question, maybe Damián can support a little by explaining the Brazilian experience as we all know it is very very rich, it is the relationship of the forum and the articulation process of the working group that is advancing with authorities national and local with private foundations and with it 

how to handle all this and what they can propose or suggest to move forward in the case of Mexico 

@ 5 / So finally, people and groups who continue to think that it is necessary, although Hamuda already referred to that, not to see the devaluation issues, review of the letter, of structure, of operation of the forum as a taboo, but precisely, irl trying to clarify points To go forward with these debates, which I think, in the case of the meeting in Mexico, may lead to a strong major renewal, to revitalize the bull,

 So, in conclusion, I would say that we are working in a good environment and for a good route in Mexico, thank you


@ EA016

@ES > EN Marcela I wanted to remind you that after the presentation it is a presentation of stopping by catherine that doing it this moment after opening a debate period we have Gran Vía 2 more presentations so I would ask Héctor to open a minute is not to speak in the part by Héctor



@ EA017

@IES > EN

Hector no problem. one I didn't listen to rozy, so I can't speak about what I didn't hear, but I imagine that he gave a complete presentation of what we have decided, I think it must surely be very good as always, so I have no problem,

Maybe only highlight two elements that is

@ 1 / A committee that is quite socially representative has already been formed from Mexico , although it can still be expanded, it must of course be expanded. is the first question

 It is service after the Second Assembly it is confirmed that there is a fairly representative committee to go.

@two. The Committee has already made the main decisions from Mexico, the basic ones.

 From Mexico, drive when and where we do the forum, that is, around May 1, 2022, having the Zócalo of Mexico City as its epicenter, and taking advantage of an entire environment, there are many details in the camp, as far as the city, but it is evident that in terms of the face-to-face, not the virtual, there are infrastructures to develop the forum around the center of Mexico City this is the second question

When and where the epicenter I say because the forum will have to be in many ways , and there were some who wanted there to be activity in other cities of the country, but the main thing is there

@ 3We still have pending to go back to confirm the facilities for the infrastructure   but even now participating organizations offered their infrastructure possibilities and they are quite a lot, so the basics are there 

@ 4 is missing then now to finish organizing the commissions of the Committee to work on the details, and of course the main one is missing: how

In other words, it is not just a methodological question. really "you want forum" well this discussion, there is a good foundation with similar objectives that were raised in the Mexican Committee etc. 

But the main thing is missing of what should be the way the forum is developed , but I will go to hope that from the point of view of Mexico they are not inherited, they are not contaminated by vices that had been occurring in the previous groupings, some group or person who wants prevail, because then if there are conflicts, as there were the most representative social organizations, he does not like to waste time in small fights of some small group 

hopefully those bugs won't come because this can erode which is an important social base

But now I have a long way to go, but there are already basic decisions 

@ 5 the other the ball returns the ball to the international court 

For me the main thing today is that the ball returns to the international field, what commissions from Mexico; they interact with the Board's committees

@ 6 interaction on how to build an international facilitation group , and working groups that correspond to what the Mexican Committee develops 

In other words, the ball is back on the physical international court . not now because there is not much left to do; in Mexico but it seems to me that now the next step; The immediate, the important thing is again on the international field , and it seems to me that it was necessary to assume it to finish being able to make synergy is nothing more



@ EA018

@ES > EN Marcela Yes precisely Héctor the main point on which we want to debate precisely is the constitution of the International Committee 

That is why we ask the colleagues who were in dynamics of other forums to bring us their experiences, to see a little what are the important elements that we can recover so as not to make the same mistakes, when there have been mistakes, also for that now it would be Carlos Tiburcio maximum 5 minutes please so that we can discuss, because we have little time left 




@ EA019

@PT > ?

Carlos Muito obrigado Marcela falarei in five minutes Good morning to all Excuse me companheiros e companheiras: Schedule for the 11 hours of Brasília and não Verify that you have moved or time in Mexico before buying the same hour

You will see a summary of the facilitating group process of the virtuous social forum beginning by saying that the companion Damien chamou attention to the international character of this facilitating group has to be differentiated from the two previous ones . This is due to the fact that this was the result of both the ineditismo of the virtual World Social Forum, that it is not a host country , how much of the rich activities that the international council carried out in 2020 promoting expanded CI meetings and meeting two facilitating groups of world social forums, thematic , regional, and national 

Is this also a facilitating group that has strong support from the international council, practically all the organizations that participate in the GT committee? articulator. Participate also the facilitating group

 It should be noted that the period of activity of this facilitating group was very short : it was installed on the 4th of November to build a forum for the end of Janeiro, less than 2 months. This is the day with the end of the year fairs I do not leave the end of the year 

@ 2 Another very important differential is that the facilitator group was open. In the past, any organization that contava international or that agrees with the principles of the forum and wanted to participate in the test will be included in the GF in open and by isso great at the same time 80 100 organization 

Surely Hamuda Rosa eo companheiro Pierre devem ter this number gives more precise for a great diet 

And what worked based on GTs, sub GTs, groups of thematic spaces, etc. 

This is for a practical basis of GF functioning and it worked intensively, practically one meeting per week. 

We are going to highlight the three characteristics of the fora or prazo curto and the experience of 

An international GF with great support for the decision of FL Based on the support group 

In terms of the evaluation of the work we can say that it will meet the objectives that it proposes more or fiz under the conditions below the necessary ones to build a forum really at the height of two Challenges current political conjuncture 

Foram forum relative success because we managed to perform or GF to achieve very adverse conditions 

@ 3 And why did you innovate in various quests and could be developed in expanded ones more in front, which was a forum that initiated the process of the World Social Forum ruled to Mexico 

To mobilization , despite two efforts, I have been very much down to the necessity 

 And this can be done in the territorial distribution to the numbers of the organizations and participate in communication also Trabalhou a lot for about 10 sub-group carried out many activities essenciais foi creativa. 

@ 4 does not pratically have results in financial terms despite two efforts of the working group. The proposals that the GT will not finalize together with the organizations that are only a few that were sent for support during the entire process or to sustain all the meetings to the platforms and all of them and certainly had a lower support than the CEAAL fez for this process of the forum. 

@5 It is absent of resource of arrecadação capacity and very serious that CI must be very attentive to isso. Prejudice to the coordination of two writing papers or to the Secretary of support as well as the scope of the GT for example of mobilization of communication that is essential for the process of the session. 

These are the most important problems that the GF experience has to us. 

@ 6 Ontem à noite passei or I summarize two reposição for the companions and organizations that compõem or collectivo of CI BR and I thank you for responding as Mauri Salete. So there are some important experiences to strengthen the construction of the next planetária edição in Mexico. Much obrigado


@ 7 (hair chat) I do not see a minha fala, more or less depois that you need to define a clear and relevant political focus for the conjunctural moment. (But this is a chronic problem and still in debate not in the WSF process)

And also that this Virtual WSF opens the possibility of creating a permanent, continuous process of the WSF, mobilizing for Mexico.

 De Salete Valesan Camba à tout le monde: 05:10 PM Tiburcio, or feito por você story was very good and faithful to what the process of the virtual WSF of janeiro got general of positive points and frágeis points.

@ES >EN Tiburcio  Carlos Thank you very much Marcela I will speak in five minutes Good morning everyone Sorry guys, I scheduled for 11 am Brasilia and I did not verify that the time in Mexico had changed in this purchase one hour anyway I am going to make a summary about the process of the Virtual social forum of the facilitating group, starting by saying that Comrade Damien drew attention to the

@ 1 International character of this facilitating group that had to be differentiated from the previous ones. I would add that this was the result both of the originality of the virtual World Social Forum, which did not have a host country, and of the rich activity that the international council carried out in 2020, promoting expanded IC meetings and meetings of the Facilitating groups of forums. global, regional and national social themes.Was this also a facilitating group that had strong support from the international council for practically all the organizations that participated in the WG committee? articulator. They also participated in the facilitating group It should be noted that the period of activity of this facilitating group was very short: it was installed on November 4 to build a forum for the end of January, less than 2 months. This ends with the end of the year holidays in the middle of that period.

@ 2 Another very important difference is that he was an open facilitating group. In the past, any organization that had an international level will be included One that agreed with the principles of the forum and wanted to participate in the trial, so it was an open GF and for that reason,sometimes great organization 100 100 Surely Hamuda Rosa and his partner Pierre must have this number, but it is necessary due to a diet and great AND it worked based on GTs sub GTs, groups of thematic spaces etc. This is the practical basis for the GF to function, and he worked intensively, almost one meeting a week. We will highlight the three characteristics outside the short term and we will highlight the experience of an international GF with great support for FL's decision Based on the support group Regarding the evaluation of the work, we can say that it met the objectives that were proposed, but I did it in conditions far below those necessary to build a forum truly up to the challenges of the current political situation.They were a relatively successful forum because we were able to carry out the GF to achieve very adverse conditions in gold

@ 3 And because it innovated on several issues and was further expanded, which was a forum that promoted the process of the World Social Forum towards Mexico. Mobilization, despite the efforts, was far below what was necessary. And this can be done in the territorial distribution in the numbers of the organizations. And participating in communication also worked a lot for about 10 subgroups, did many essential activities, was creative. In our opinion, it was also below needs. .

@ 4 practically no results in economic terms despite the efforts of t

he working group.The proposals that the WG had at the end with you organizations and the little that was said of support throughout the process sustained all the meetings, the platforms and all that and it was certainly less support than what CEAAL did for this forum process. . @5 This lack of resources to raise funds is very serious and the CI must be very attentive to this. It impairs the coordination of the work of the office or in the support Secretariat as well as the scope of the WG, for example of mobilizing communication that are essential to the session process. These are the most important lessons and problems that the experience of this GF brings us

@ 6 Last night I passed the summary of the replacement to the members and organization that make up the CI BR collective and I thank those who responded such as Mauri Salete.I think these are some important experiences to strengthen the construction of the next planetary edition in Mexico. Thank you very much

@ 7 (via chat) I did not say it in my speech, but I will do it after the definition of a clear and relevant political approach for the current moment was missing. (But this is a chronic problem and is still debated in the WSF process) And also that this Virtual WSF opened up the possibility of creating a permanent and continuous WSF process, mobilizing us through Mexico.

From Salete Valesan Camba to tout le monde: 05:10 PM Tiburcio, your report was very good and faithful to what the January virtual WSF process achieved as a whole of positive and weak points.but I will do it after the definition of a clear and relevant political focus for the current moment is missing. (But this is a chronic problem and is still debated in the WSF process)

And also that this Virtual WSF opened up the possibility of creating a permanent and continuous WSF process, mobilizing us through Mexico.


@ EA020

@ES >EN

So now 5 minutes and after catherine comes to make you a summary of the three little pigs


From Francine Mestrum à tout le monde: 05:11 PM (chat)  I find it more and more urgent to discuss our organization. We are creating now a GF and tomorrow perhaps an articulation group that will function as a liaison committee ... we need to clarify this. Without criteria and rules we open the door to arbitrariness and power seizures



@ EA021

@FR  

1h18 mn Ian Bonjour à all merci Tiburcio pour ce résumé 2021 c'est beau ce qui s'est passé du processus 2021. Justement @ 1 notre petit groupe s'est formed suite à l'édition 2021 édition virtuelle ou comme indicated sur la mis en place un tas d'outils, et on a fait une communication assez forte. 

Well sûr, elle avait ses défauts et ses limits. On a récupéré des anciens outils pages facebook, les archives et cetera, et qu'on a fait grandir et améliorer et voilà. On a créé notre propre YouTube ce qui n'est pas rien, même si pour beaucoup de gens et c'est anecdotique avec motif c'est quand même une petite victoire vis a vis des multinationales l 

On a creé an intéressant web site in a particular place and puis on a réussi à regrouper a dizaine de millier of mail contacts through the processus 

Donc en fait notre groupe est constitué suite à ça, et on is dit “maintenant that le forum et fini il n'y a plus rien. 

Donc ces 10 thousands contact who to what is-ce who is going in faire Est-ce who is going to lose them? The facebook page, she is presque à l'abandon 

Il y avait tout ça qui nous preoccuper enormément, et also fait que, avec cet objectif 2022 pour le Mexique @ 2, il y aurait a pendant lequel le FSM, bien qu'il ne soit pas mort, les reunions du CI continuent , il ne soit plus vivant aux yeux du monde extérieur 

The group where it is constituted just for the essay of recovery of the outils, and the idea of ​​proposing a continuous process, which is to  continue the activites of the FSM pendant cette année de preparation vers le Mexique et donc de créer ce groupe sur le processus 

There is a process of a calendar that has been effectively proposed for the 2021 edition, by a task of the organization, and for the discussion of the issue of the 2021 edition.

Donc voilà, on voulait garder tout ça en voulez maintenir ses outils en vie, et supply on veut aussi pouvoir, parce qu'il and avait une autre préoccupation important, c'est @ 3 comment transmettre ses outils à l'édition du Mexique

Et on fait plusieurs meetings with Carminda, Pierre, Isabelle, et aussi François who participated in the mise en place de beaucoup d'outils, et également Aaron qui nous a rejoint et est également très actif dans le processus du Mexique

Et donc l'idée, c'est comment travailler ensemble in coordination, en allant vers le Mexique et en allant à continuer à créer des dynamiques 

C'est pour ça que, sur le point de l'ordre du jour, quand on nous dit quel but être le rôle nous on se dit "pourquoi pas ce processus" pas vraiment: a processus in direction du Mexique: @ 4 pourquoi pas l'integrer dans the group with the CI in the direction of Mexique the CI dans the procession du Mexique, c'est-à-dire to use them outils qu'on to my in place, qu'on to amélioré, les transmettre exétéra, et aussi travailler sur un archivage 

Aussi Hamouda who is a star of cinema with super fund d'écran, @ 5 your nous as parlé d'un site built autour du CI. ça pourrait être intéressant autour de cette dynamique de mettre en place toute une équipe autour de ça, pour voir comment on peut garder the FSM in Fri between deux editions sans pour autant faire a webinaire toutes les semaines, mais il ya plusieurs propositions, et son autour du calendrier, @ 5 ca peut etre des panels régionaux, 

Voilà et donc nous ce group là on voudrait that the CI mettre in place or n puisse s'approprier ceux who are left the et mettre in place with the CI and with the group of Mexique a lot of processus continued to garder continue to mobilize; ne pas s'éteindre; continue à maintenir une tension et une discussion et cetera 

voilà je thought avoir plus ou moins résumé Peut-être que Pierre voudrais rajouter quelque chose ou Aaron c'est possible qui était tous les deux à la Réunion je laisse la parole


@ES >EN Ian

1h18 mn Ian Hello everyone, thank you Tiburcio for this 2021 summary, it is beautiful what happened in the 2021 process. Exactly @ 1 our small group was formed after the virtual edition of the 2021 edition or as indicated in the update we configure a lot of tools, and we made a pretty strong communication .

Of course, it had its flaws and its limitations. We recovered old tools from Facebook pages, archives, etc., we grew and improved and that's it. We create our own YouTube which is nothing, although for many people and it is rightly anecdotal, it is still a small victory against the multinationals.

We created one interesting website in particular and then managed to gather around ten thousand email contacts through this process.

So, in fact, our group is formed after that, and we say to ourselves “now that the forum is finished there is nothing else.

So these 10 miles contact us, what are we going to do with them? Are we going to lose them? The facebook page is almost abandoned

There was all that which worried us a lot, and also the fact that, with this 2022 goal for Mexico @ 2, there would be a year in which the WSF, although it is not dead, continue the IC meetings. the eyes of the outside world

And this is how this group is constituted precisely to try to recover these tools, and the idea arose of proposing a continuous process, that is, to continue the activities of the WSF during this year of preparation for Mexico and therefore to create this group in the process.

Make a process around a calendar that had actually been proposed during the 2021 edition, by a group of organizations, and also around the discussions that took place during the 2021 edition.

So there you have it, we wanted to keep all that while we wanted to keep our tools alive, and above all we also want power, because there was another important concern, is @ 3 how to transmit their tools to the Mexican edition .

And we have several meetings with Carminda, Pierre, Isabelle and also François who participated in the implementation of many tools, and also Aaron who joined us and is also very active in the Mexico process.

And then the idea is how to work together in coordination, going to Mexico and going to continue creating dynamics.

For this reason, at the point of the agenda, when they tell us what the role could be, we say “why not this process” not really: a process towards Mexico: @ 4 why not integrate it into the group with the CI in the direction of Mexico the CI in the procession of Mexico, that is to say, use the tools that we have implemented, that we have improved, transmit them exeterra, and also work in the archive.

Also Hamouda, who is a movie star with a great wallpaper, @ 5 told us about a site built around the CI. It could be interesting around this dynamic to form a complete team around this, to see how we can keep the WSF alive between two editions without doing a webinar every week, but there are several proposals, and it is on the calendar, @ 5 ca can be regional panels,

So here we are, this group, we would like the IC to be installed, we could appropriate those that already exist and set up with the IC and the group from Mexico a kind of continuous process to continue mobilizing us ; do not go out; continue to maintain tension and discussion and so on

here I think I have it more or less summarized Perhaps Pierre would like to add something or Aaron it is possible that they were both in Reunion I leave the word



@ EA022

@ES >ENAaron 

Just tell you that the fact that we are collaborating to carry out a very good communication with this forum is already starting from a good spirit and we are starting from an excellent spirit to carry out all the proposals 

And I think that one child we are driving with a different unit than the one we had last year

So it seems to me that we have very good spirits, a good time, and that he managed to notice that also here in Mexico, very good spirits are happening around the issue of sums without quota of commissions between them, specifically the communication one, and it seems to me that we will be able to have for the first time in a long time, add the experiences of the past, to improve much of what has come so far

 I just wanted to comment on Sierra



@ EA023

@ES >EN Pierre 3 calendars

Well I share with you in the chat a link comes a bit giving three concrete ideas about the notion of calendar http://openfsm.net/projects/pfsm21/pfsm21-input4 

do not subsume everything that Ian exposed about what in this group that we maintain we have spoken, but if you focus on the notion of calendar

@ 1 / The first calendar is a calendar of action date,   many times in relation to initiatives but of articulated groups of organizations, which upload action dates 

We discussed this universally at the beginning of March and I have put a link there 

I will not repeat it is a calendar of action dates of initiatives

@ 2 / Then there is another calendar that could be made, because we are provoked by the word of Hamuda that says a "mobilization calendar"

There is more a suggestion, but to say why if we are going to create because the idea is we are going to talk about the international facilitating group, which from Mexico is proposing to create, if we make a parallel with what happened in the virtual forum as an event

What happened? a facilitating group was formed, and later, within this group, eight "thematic panel preparation groups" were created, freely formed , which had the role of doing, of jointly preparing a panel, being arranged by consensus.

And the idea would be to transpose that idea of ​​geographic mobilization

Let's imagine that there is an international facilitating group that is set up: invite @ 3 to create groups to prepare geographic panels 

That is to say, where the idea is to write the geographical location, the language, the problems of a region, and make a panel, which comes to say “ for what and how to participate in the WSF (from this region), what is that for? What is the forum, you are the elephant there 

It is then a suggestion to create, as there have been 8 panels in 10 days in the January event imagine during the months of 2021 heading to Mexico, geographical panels can be organized in several regions , with the same way of doing 

This is a second type of calendar: calendar of panels that would be specific, and apart from that there may be visible self-managed activities , which are the implementation of initiatives or dialogues, and this is enough to visualize them; at the moment they are visible, but more painfully than when they were at the event

These panels would be this second idea for the 2021 mobilization towards the 2022 event

@ 3 / and the third type of calendar that appears on this page is a calendar, which has been around for almost 10 years, which is a calendar of events 

So there is a calendar that goes from one World Forum to another World Forum and that collects by events, which are not all forums, but where there is a certain empathy and experience of the forum among its organizers and so on. 

Between the Salvador forum and the virtual forum there have been more than sixty events that have been collected and registered

Now we go from the virtual invention 2021 to the mixed event Mexico, and for the moment the list of events is much smaller, but maybe it will grow if things are organized. So that would be the third calendar idea 

To summarize 1 / active action date calendar 2 / geographic dashboard calendar 3 / event calendar



@ EA024

@ES >EN

1h28mn Marcela, thanks ugly now because we want to leave time for the discussion about the international facilitating group. I would ask Catherine for a short summary of the great recommendations from previous experiences and then give the floor to talk about the construction of the international facilitating group 



@ EA025

@FR

Catherine

Merci marcela je vais parler en français. Alors c'était très riche, c'est très dense, et je n'ai pas toujours tout compris. J'alternais between the anglaise and française translations. Mais voilà ce que je peux retenir, ce que je retiens, et je transmettrai le compte-rendu détaill é 

1 / D'abord ne pas separer le lien between l'événement et le processus . On est dans un processus non seulement organizationnel très important, mais politique aussi, et donc lier les deux c'est très important

 2 / l'anticipation : anticipation parce qu'on le voit bien: plus on s'y prend tôt comme ça a été le cas voilà ça peut prendre des mois de preparation, et on a besoin de se décider rapidement sur le dispositif qu ' on veut mettre en place, pour appuyer l'organisation de ce que le committee mexicain met en place .On a besoin de décider rapidement au leveau du CI de ce qu'on va mettre en place pour le soutenir et les accompagner

3 / Who is responsible for all the temoignages c ”is that the local committee, but it matters to the name, they are different from a forum à l'autre, @ 1 the local committee à besoin de soutien international .Voilà Donc the question from “est-ce qu'on creé quelque chose pour appuyer le groupe Mexicain”, je thought ça paraît évident que oui. il faut créer quelque chose voilà

Et en même temps, ils ont besoin de soutien, mais toutes les experiences montrent qu ' il faut faire confiance au local groupe, qui a besoin d'avoir un marge de manœuvre , de prendre ses responsabilités, d'impulser la manière dont tu ils I have organized the World Social Forum 

Donc c'est vraiment un soutien, un appui, unites expertise un partage d'expérience. voilà who is attendu

Toutes les initiatives qui ont été partagées montrent qu'il already unites articulation très forte between the local and the international expertises

@ 2 donc are on different modalities

A / soit c'est le Conseil international directement which accompanies the local committee, the local group, the local facilitation group

B / soit le Conseil international directement, soit un groupe du Conseil international une quinzaine de personnes, comme c'était le cas à Bahia voilà 

C / soit on peut envisager a group plus large that the Conseil international voilà 

Trois hypothèses possibles cette articulation 

Ce qui est très important c'est qu'il y ait toujours unites articulation avec le secretariat et avec les commissions les groupes de travail 

selon les FSM 

@ 3 idee of a pilotage group that meets a local group with the commissions of the secretariat and the representatives of the International Conseil or the International Acteurs if certains are the International Council 

Donc cette articulation cette cohérence sont essentielles. that des rôles soient clairs ça a été cas a Tunis with an organization chart of precises missions - 

ca on doit le travailler, on doit mettre en place quelque chose, 

that the members of the international group of applicants select themselves from the base of the competences, of the representation, of the implication, and of the team that enable the implementation of the meetings, beaucoup of une capacité à se mobiliser et à être -mais ça a été dit and comprised by Hamouda in debut of meeting-, être dans la recherche de solutions 

Parce que des problèmes il y en aura c'est d'être vraiment bien sur en lie le politique et l'organisation, mais de toujours chercher des solutions aux difficultés aux problèmes avec des solutions concrètes 

Voilà donc des critères clairs pour choisir les members qui vont faire partie de ce International Committee 

The redevelopment to été soulignée l'importance @ 4 that the International Committee is redevable, also well supported by the local committee that the Conseil international dans les deux sens

The financial dimension of the WSF has varied au fil des années. Aujourd'hui il y en a très peu voilà Les moyens ont vraiment…, il ya eu des times ou on avait des moyens financiers pour embaucher 6 persons, pour assurer toute l'organisation, et plus de centaines de bénévoles 

Là aujourd'hui où sont les moyens financiers? et donc the question is also posée au Conseil international: comment mobiliser des moyens, être mobilisé toutes les ressources possibles 

Et j'ai note également l'importance de la communication pour aller chercher, mobiliser les acteurs, et pas seulement la communication vers le grand public, mais la communication entre les mouvements, auprès des acteurs sur le terrain.Être très attentif à aller chercher les acteurs, mobiliser ces acteurs politiques en particulier

 Alors bon c'est évidemment très synthétique ce that je viens de dire, je ferai a compte-rendu plus détaillé. Mais si on peut conclure mais parce qu'il nous reste peu de temps je I thought that là on a besoin de définir.

 Moi je suggérerai très volontiers que, dans un délai court, par exemple dans d'ici 15 jours, on puisse elaborer, from tout ce qui a été dit la, a project qu'on vous soumettrait, qu'on soumettrait au Conseil international. 

A project of development that will start a project for the lessons that will continue to run from the previous experiences voilà. @ 5 Donc a project that declares that it is the role of an international pilotage committee, of a pilotage committee of the lequel il and aurait des représentants internationaux, those that are critical précis, and the representatives of the local committee, and that they are 15 days, on sending the project, so that the personnes of interest can be sent for the first time of the session, but on the basis of critics voilà;

Donc a project de fonctionnement et de rôle de ce committee. voilà la proposition que je peux faire, et que l'on travaille, avec le secretariat peut-être , à vous soumettre ce projet la, pour que vous puissiez ex first ensuite votre intérêt, ou qu'on puisse aller voir si on a besoin de quelques acteurs en dehors du Conseil international peut-être , pour completer et chercher les personnes dont on a besoin pour faire cet accompagnement

Voilà c'est une suggestion que je pose pour discussion


@ES >EN Catherine

Thanks Marcela I will speak in French. So it was very rich, it is very dense and I did not always understand everything. I alternated between English and French translation. But this is what I can take, what I take and I will pass the detailed report

@ 1 / First of all, don't separate the link between the event and the process . We are in a very important organizational process, but also a political one, so linking the two is very important.

@ 2 / anticipation: anticipation because we can see it clearly: the sooner we start, as has been the case, it can take months of preparation, and we have to quickly decide on the device we want to install, to support the organization of what you are putting in place the Mexican committee. We need to quickly decide at the CI level what we are going to put in place to support and accompany them.

@ 3 / what emerged from all the testimonies is that the local committee, whatever the name, are different from one forum to another, @ 1 the local committee needs international support. That is the question. From "we are creating something to support the Mexican Group", I think it seems obvious that it is. we have to create something here

And at the same time, they need support, but all experiences show that you have to trust the local group, that it needs to have room for maneuver, assume its responsibilities, lead the way you fly organized the World Social Forum.

Therefore, it is really a support, a support, an experience, an exchange of experiences. this is what is expected

All the initiatives that have been shared show that there is a very strong link between local and international experience.

@ 2 therefore according to different modalities:

A / The International Council directly supports the local committee, the local group, the local facilitation group

B / either the International Council directly, or a group of the International Council of about fifteen people, as was the case in Bahia here

C / o we can consider a larger group than the International Council here

Three possible hypotheses for this joint

What is very important is that there is always an articulation with the secretariat and with the commissions and working groups.

according to the WSF

@ 3 idea of a steering group that brings together a local group committees, international secretariat and representatives of the International Council or if some players are out of the Internaciona Council l

So this articulation this coherence is essential. To make the roles clear, this was the case for Tunisia with a specific mission organization chart -

We have to work on it, we have to put something in its place,

That the members of this international support group are selected based on their skills, their representativeness, their involvement and their ability to get involved because it takes a long time, and sometimes a meeting, many meetings, a lot of mobilization capacity and of being - but that was even said by Hamouda at the beginning of the meeting -, of being in search of solutions

Because there will be problems, it is to be really sure in linking politics and organization, but always looking for solutions to difficulties to problems with concrete solutions.

Therefore, these are clear criteria for the election of the members that will form part of this International Committee.

Accountability The importance @ 4 of this International Committee being accountable, both to the local committee and to the International Council in both directions, was underlined .

The financial dimension of the WSF media has varied over the years. Today there are very few here. The means really… there were moments when we had the financial means to hire 6 people, to secure the entire organization, and more than hundreds of volunteers.

Where are the financial means today? and therefore the question is also posed to the International Council: how to mobilize the means, mobilize all possible resources

And I also noticed the importance of communication to find and mobilize actors, and not only communication with the general public, but communication between movements, with actors in the field. The actors mobilize these political actors in particular.

 So what I just said is obviously very synthetic, I will give a more detailed report. But we can conclude but because we have little time left, I think that here we have to define.

I would be very happy to suggest that, in a short period of time, for example in 15 days, we can develop, based on everything that has been said there, a project that we would present to you, that we would present to the Council. .international.

An operational project that would take all the lessons that can be learned from previous experiences. @ 5 Then a project that describes the role of an international steering committee, of a steering committee in which there would be international representatives, according to specific criteria, and representatives of the local committee, and that in 15 days we send this project, so that people Interested parties can express their interest in being part of it, but based on criteria here;

So, a plan for the functioning and role of this committee. here is the proposal that I can make, and that we work, perhaps with the secretariat, to present this project to you, so that later you can express your interest, or that we can go and see if we need some actors outside of the International Council perhaps, to complete and find the people we need to provide this support

This is a suggestion that I put up for discussion.



@ EA026

@ES >EN marcela 20mn GFI 

Thank you all for your excellent presentations. Rosa just told me that the interpreters agreed to give 30 more minutes , which we greatly appreciate, because the meeting would technically have to end in 2 minutes. So, we will have about 25 minutes of exchanges, 2 minutes per person , and I will really cut the floor for 2 minutes for interventions, because the Focus of the discussion and the interventions have to be the organization of an international facilitation group for Mexico 2022 . It is the focus of the discussion; Now 25 minutes 2 minutes for people it would be Francine and it would be Leo later, excuse me, let's go



@ EA027

@ES >EN francine

Thank you very much and thank you Catherine for the synthesis. What I am going to say is not a criticism of what Catherine said, but it is a criticism of what is happening, it seems to me.

Because there is one thing that we know how to do perfectly well is to create new organizations, @ 1 new institutions , and everything that was said here about the facilitation group seems to me to double the IQ.

I would like to remind you very simply that each forum World Forum, the virtual forum, thematic forums, all forums have their autonomy. Of course, the facilitation group has to help We need it, of course, to help, to accompany a process, but @ 2  is an intermediary between the IC that makes political decisions, and the forums that have their autonomy and that seems to me very important, because talking here about the criteria of a facilitation group, if we cannot talk about the criteria of the IC, I find it problematic

So we have to reflect on that, and of course, as Catherine well define the tasks of the facilitation group, but please do not double the IQ and leave autonomy to the bulls thanks





@ EA028

@ES >EN

Leo -good morning some, good afternoon to the others, unfortunately very, very few good night, a lack that still feels a lot. 

I wanted to highlight what is both in Mexico in the meeting, as in others it has always proliferated, that the World Social Forum should be understood as a process, a forum process, that is, it is not only to prepare the next World Social Forum, a Thematic Social Forum, or whatever, @ 1 but to plan and coordinate actions and voices together as a World Social Forum

I have just been in a meeting with the still embryonic, alternative government of Myanmar, and they told me "we have received support from many sides, but what about the World Social Forum that we have not received any support"

I said that I will take it into account in the meeting that we have, 

It is not that there are no ideas for action in the World Social Forum itself, we have made the effort to converge to make converge within organizations, social movements, Peace movements, environmental movements, putting out a statement , and at the same time making proposals for specific dates 

One of these specific dates is already at the door, that is to say @ 2 on which universal disarmament is called, championed by some organizations, many peace organizations, but apart from the fact that it has been casually said that this could be done as a World Social Forum has not figured. The unions at their peak, have come to see how they could hang co-organizing on the first of May

There are other events that are between the door of the G20 and Singapore etc. that exist, and it is not enough to make a calendar as Pierre says, where everyone can read, but it is a matter of decision,

@ 3 And who else would have to make the decision than the International Council , to really go together on some of these important issues and actions that were even raised within the World Social Forum. Thank you



@ EA029

@ES >EN

 Marcela there is a proposal that is presented in the list maybe you can write in the chat something related to myanmar particularly


DISCUSSION ABOUT MYANMAR IN THE CHAT 

  • From Rosy Zúñiga CEAAL à tout le monde: 05:04 PM (chat) @ 3 I suggest to draw up a letter of solidarity with the movements of Myanmar .. it can be done We can start it like this: The undersigned entities, members of the IC of the WSF, stand in solidarity ... and we denounce ... we invite ... Leo, could you support us with the initial content of the words of solidarity with Myanmar.
  • From Leo Gabriel à tout le monde: 05:21 PM (chat) Of course, Rosy. Who do I send it to? @ 4 Do not you think it would be better to put together various war scenarios such as Palestine, Ukraine, Myanmar etc. link them with the demand for disarmament and demilitarization in all parts of the world.
  • From Rosy Zúñiga CEAAL à tout le monde: 05:38 PM Leo, send me and see who else joins to review that statement
  • From Leo Gabriel à tout le monde: 05:43 PMok, although the objective would be for the WSF As such to give prominence to a statement that has the overwhelming majority of IC members


@ EA030

@IES >EN

Get out: Good morning to all of you, you will be failing in Portuguese. I want to start parabenizing or Leo because, despite being committed to her health, I continue to participate and wear naquilo hair that he credits, hair that we built together I tied here. Obrigada Léo Crew also thanking each and every one who appeared at the testemunho me all the important points, all the points I was very well placed, very selective, very careful.

@ 1 Congratulate Marcela for being back, Hamuda for not giving up at any moment here. Rosy for the past year with this force for communication, and the militant warrior Hector has also made an effort, all of them follow each other, Pierre with her jeito, Rita Liege of all and all lieger Damião who appears Francine in all and all

E very important or it would be that everyone would have to quote, but I have two minutes

It is very important for the process of the World Social Forum that is força, that is present, even if it is not a computer, that is Hope of the verb that people when July 10, 2000, that people combine together since 2000, and that in some moments We are melhores, more advanced, in other moments um pouquinho less advanced, um pouquinho more dispersed, 

more important than ever, somebody who doesn't let us give up, don't have people get us to miss us

I agree with Rose to make a statement that the place (no chat) and I want to  register here or Clacso will be participating very strongly in the construction of the Forum in Mexico, because there are many member centers affiliated to or Clacso are not in Mexico, which or to be able to do it here you can do it, more with certainty that your reinforcements will be focused on the, with the research center, universities, institutes and including or ceaal that or member of Clacso obrigado 



@ EA031

@FR Ian

To clarify a little 

Pour clarify a peu notre position of notre group for the processus continued exetera. En fait voilà nous on I thought that Catherine's role was just that you disais de ce groupe la l'international

Nous, moi personnellement, je suis pour l'autonomie compleète des organizations pour le FSM 2022 , je i thought that Mexican organizations doivent avoir the most d'autonomie possible, Et que nous on ait le moins de mot a dire, tout en étant la en tant qu'observateur à moins comme ça c'est à titre personnel, j'engage pas attac sur ça, mais je thought qu'ils seront assez d'accord 

Mais d'ici là je i thought that just the roll is -c'est important of the enrollment in the roll that but avoir ce GFI catherine etc in the processus continue, c'est d'organiser quelque chose entre le CI et les activités mexicaine pour transmettre les outils exetera

Ce qu'on a déjà commencé avec Aaron, ce qui nous a permis le forum virtuel 2021: de travailler ensemble, de se faire confiance, de créer des liens, tout ça @ 1 nous permet maintenant quelque chose qu'on a eu beaucoup de mal à faire, c'est-à-dire de recréer des outils existait déjà, pour les améliorer et les transmettre, et ça ça peut être un rôle important

 ça crée du lien autour du calendrier qu'a proposé Pierre, well sûr mais, comme a dit Léo, et well if on a travail on peut produire, reproduce régulièrement ensemble in as much as CI où faire des appels, on n'a rien Fait pour la mobilisation des fermiers indienne, which proposent aujourd'hui Rosie et Léo pour la Birmanie, on aurait pu le faire pour la mobilisation des indiens, qui était important 

c'est bientôt je thought @ 2  avoir un processus continuer mettrai dans une ambiance de travail de production, et pas seulement se voir voir une fois par semaine pour parler 

e de production, écrire des tribunes de s, creer des webinaires aussi proposait pierre des panels régionaux et cetera 

Et tout ça serait diffusé dans les outils que nous avons reussi à mettre en place: the site, the inscriptions, the page facebook, the page YouTube seront ensuite in a laissé de communication du Mexique

 et nous on l'a pas vivre le temps du Mexique, et nous on aura le moins possible à dire Ensuite on récupère cet outil là c'est tout il a fait vivre dans a processus continue de formation de liens bien sûr, pas also actif prépare dans les forums, comme les plantes en hiver: on fait grandir les racines doucement, et ensuite, quand il ya les processus, il ya les fleurs qui sortent 

Donc l'ide de ce processus continued, et @ 3  le rôle que peut avoir ce GF a titre experimental c'est de faire le lien between le Mexique et dans maintenant une petite activité

 Voilà is to clarify a person and demand from Catherine and Marcela if it is possible in the role of the paper to avoid the GFI international celui là. merci beaucoup


I @ ES >EN Ian

To clarify a little

To clarify a bit our position of our group for the ongoing exetera process. In fact here we are, we think that the role of Catherine that you said of this group is the international

We, personally, am in favor of the complete autonomy of the organizations for the WSF 2022, I believe that Mexican organizations should have the greatest possible autonomy, and that we have the least to say, being there as an observer unless it is to personal title, I don't get involved in that, but I think they'll agree enough

But until then I think the role is precisely - it is important to include it in the role that this GFI catherine etc can have in this continuous process, it is to organize something between the CI and the Mexican activities to transmit the exetera tools

What we already started with Aaron, who allowed us the 2021 virtual forum: work together, trust each other, create links, all this now allows us @ 1 something that we had a lot of work to do, that is. recreate tools that already existed, improve and pass them on, and that can be an important role

 creates a link around the timetable proposed by Pierre, of course but, as Léo said, well if we have a job that we can produce, reproduce it regularly together as a CI where to make calls, we have nothing to do for the mobilization of Indian farmers. , what Rosie and Léo propose for Burma today, we could have done for the mobilization of the Indians, which was important

it's early, I think @ 2, if the process continues, it will create an atmosphere of production work, and we don't just see each other once a week to talk.

Production, forum writing, webinar creation also included regional panels, etc.

And all this would be disseminated in the tools that we were able to configure: the site, the records, the Facebook page, then the YouTube page will keep the communication from Mexico.

 and we do not live it during the time of Mexico, and we will have as little as possible to say Then we recover this tool there is everything made alive in a continuous process of formation of clear links, not so active is prepared in forums, like plants in winter: we make the roots grow slowly, and then when the processes are there, there are the flowers coming out

So the idea of ​​this continuous process, and @ 3 the role that this FM can have in an experimental way is to make the link between Mexico and now a small activity .

 here is to clarify that a bit and ask Catherine and Marcela if it is possible on paper in the role that this international GFI has. Thank you so much



@ EA032

@FR

Marcela oui c'est ça on going to have you in compte merci 

@ES >EN Marcela  


@ EA033

@ES >EN hector

And thank you Marcela, well in 2 minutes in free to tell you

@ 1 The first thing we have to take into account are not criteria and forms, but are facts and needs.

And there we have to start, then we see the criteria and the forms, 

@ 2 The fact is that we need the great international global social networks and movements to get involved in the construction of the next World Social Forum. How point ? We discussed it. But this is the fact: there will be no forum as we want it if the large international social networks and movements do not get involved, do not convene, do not self-convene, to be present at the forum in Mexico.

 how do we get it? is what needs to be discussed, but for me, this is not in dispute the fact that we need to involve them

Even some of the Mexican organizations, which are now present in the Committee, for example some unions, have told me: “Okay, some of my counterparts from international channels are asking where they can participate, to propose something, in short, doing something. for the next social forum in Mexico. @ 3 Where are you going to participate? where can they contribute? 

and so on other organizations, evidently the Mexican peasant organizations, that are going to participate in the Committee, where is Via Campesina, where is CLOC, and other organizations 

surely women's organizations will also want to see the international networks and counterparts with which they act, participating in the preparation of the Social Forum. 

@ 4 It is the fact We have to create this space. point  I think I think that, from CI Porto Alegre 2020, we agree, and it was a starting point, that the International Council is not currently enough for what we are proposing from the World Social Forum

And as I said in the last meeting, the problem, if we get into the discussion, who should leave or who should enter the International Council, and how we renew it and including more organizations in the International Council we solve the problem, @ 5 I don't think I'm on the way out

It is necessary @ 6 to  create a space to facilitate the construction of the next World Social Forum, where without formal bureaucratic conditions , or of any kind, or correct if you want, but where large international networks and movements can participate in the construction of the social forum, actively, also making decisions,

So I think that you have to create this space and you have to summon it from the start 

It seems to me that the concrete proposal would be to resume the process that we agreed on in Porto Alegre, when this new process began, and then make a call.

Convene these networks and movements again, create a space for a meeting, by then @ 7  go create that facilitation group etc encouraged by the International Council , animated by the International Council,

The international council does not stop working but @ 7 animates a wider space that allows a wider Social Forum, and that interacts with the Mexican Committee

It seems that later we discussed the forms the criteria that what you want even 

I think that the experience of the international facilitating group for the virtual World Forum was good, although in the end it was a bit chaotic, because I enter everything , without criteria.

I no longer knew why they added to such or such. They simply added what could be done, perhaps due to the urgency that there was to make the virtual social forum in a short time

Now we have a little more time, you have to we have to do it more carefully. We cannot put indiscriminately note that if not everything that we get from large international social movements they get involved in the construction, in the convocation of the World Social Forum, in a self-convocation to be in Mexico

I think that's the way we're going to make it big

Then we can continue discussing criteria and forms, 

When how to discuss a call I propose myself to write one , but I think it is that starting point and it should be clear between us



DISCUSSION ABOUT gfi in the chat 

  • @GUS (by chat) 506PM A proposal for the preparation of the Mexico WSF: Organize jointly between the CI and the facilitating group of Mexico Organize five regional groups: North America, Latin America and the Caribbean, Asia and Oceania, Africa, Maghreb and Mashreq, Europe For communication and participation in the Mexico WSF
  • From Mauri Cruz - Abong à tout le monde: 05:22 PM Good morning everyone ... it seems to me that the WSF is Worldwide and will be held in Mexico, so @ 1 there must be a UNIQUE Facilitating Group with national responsibilities (assumed by Mexican entities) and international responsibilities (assumed by international entities). ... otherwise we will have a Mexican WSF with the support of the CI ... @ 2 We have the challenge of involving the facilitating groups of the thematic and regional forums to "take advantage" of the accumulations of content that these processes have produced.
  • Francine, is that the terms used are GF Mexicano and GF International ... so there are two instances ... and the terms always have political meanings ... when there are differences, where will they be resolved?
  • From Francine Mestrum à tout le monde: 05:26 PM there is a GF Mexico and an international GF of support. If there are conflicts, it is necessary to dialogue and possibly the IC will have to make a decision.
  • From Mauri Cruz - Abong à tout le monde: 05:28 PM So, Abong will not host the WSF in Mexico, but will he support it?
  • From Francine Mestrum à tout le monde: 05:29 PM exactly, and you will be able to co-decide within the IC and possibly within an international GF
  • From Carlos Tiburcio to the whole world: 05:29 PM Or the problem is that there are large, important, complex tasks both on a national and international level for construction in Mexico. Perhaps one option will be created or GF International ruled to Mexico and to carry out at each period, two in two months, joint assemblies two two GF, or Mexico and International. It seems impractical to debate and make decisions about all the areas around GF. We reflit.
  • From Mauri Cruz - Abong à tout le monde: 05:31 PM I totally agree with Rita. However, respecting the role of Mexican organizations is different from just supporting the WSF in Mexico.
  • From armando de negri filho FSMSSS Brasil à tout le monde: 05:36 PM I believe that if the IC is organized on regional - continental bases to mobilize integrated processes towards Mexico, it could gain meaning and enhance the role of the IC, in the same way around great elements and global debate as was built on the thematic spaces and forms of convergence that we started in the Virtual Forum 2021
  • From Carlos Tiburcio to the whole world: 05:41 PMO, the biggest problem is that we all commit everything or time that to mobilization and international participation has been very insufficient. And are we just proposing "mais do mesmo"? Why not experiment and try something new, what started to work for the Virtual FSM? Criar o GF Internacional rumo to Mexico and make joint assemblies every two months, for example, as GF do México.
  •  From Héctor de la Cueva à tout le monde: 05:42 PM it is evident that there is no complete or clear agreement and that there is no time now, the subject must be taken up again and another meeting
  • De Pierre à tout le monde: 05:44 PM as I said in my speech, it would be good to have a working group / discussion process on the GFI - and its relationship with CI and GFMX-    
  • From Rita to all the world: 05:45 PM Tiburcio, or problem not in the absence of involvement in facilitation of two events, but in the absence of involvement in international mobilization around two events
  • From Carlos Tiburcio to tout the world: 05:47 PM Sim, the main function of GF International rumo to Mexico would be international mobilization for Mexico
  • De Rita à tout le monde: 05:48 PM O CI should take care of disso and answer for isso us balanços and not charge isso two local organizers. It is different for organizations that are not in Mexico, like disse Salete. 




@ EA034

@ES >EN

 Marcela also echoed I have 7 interventions that is 14 minutes. We are arriving if we respect and you go, I will wait for the list, okay? Now it would be Pierre maximum 2 minutes right please


@ EA035

@ 1h55 ES >EN Pierre - Thank you Marcela good in Spanish 

@ 1 / first a point: the 2021 process is currently an orphan, that is , there is currently no facilitating group that is really mentally focused on the coming months 

So an international facilitating group that seems to me to be a space like Héctor etc just spoke, seems to me to be something that may be relevant. But it would be important for the GFI to take charge of the process from now on , that is to say that it is not mentally focused on the event alone, but also on the construction process from now on, all of next year.

Also the ability to make decisions etc. I believe that this focus on the next two important months

@ 2 / according to the 2022 “hybrid” event, sorry it is “mixed”, I thought I would simply point out that it will not be simple to make a face-to-face event and an online event coexist. 

So it seems to me that we have to think from now on ways, such as having 10 days of online event, then the face-to-face event, with great logistics of online participation organized from Mexico, then another online event for example 

Above, you have to think about ways that will really allow you to have a hybrid and have great international participation 

@ 3 / third point. Well, the international facilitating group, I agree because it should be something ambitious, and it is not an accompaniment of the GF Mexico, it is a group that takes charge of the process and the GF Mexico will be more in charge of the event . I think you really have to think in " terms of reference " so that this is clear that day. 

@ 4 / my fourth point that there is an open working group in the IC to prepare these terms of reference , or at least have a discussion that enriches us or have a second meeting in 15 days to flesh it out, and I am a volunteer To participate in this group, think about the tasks of the international facilitating group , which is not an international accompaniment of GF Mexico only 

@ 5 / and to finish what it says I read. I remember the ability to make the calendar.  the calendar makes it possible to detect “proximity”, but afterwards you have to want to talk r. For example, the unions have made a proposal for Davos. I read at the aspem assembly. They have made documents that can be given here. Why don't they talk to each other? Because perhaps facilitating pomemos summon invite to comment without obligation. In short, it is also part of how to facilitate the joints .

@ 6 I remember to just finish a proposal by Sergio Bassoni in the CI of Mexico 2 years ago that said “we stop the CI and do a seminar of the movements participating in the CI to build a coalition. Well that is also possible: say we take some time , we remove the IC cap and, as a group, we are going to see that we agree to make coalitions, calls, and so on. That is very simple and easy

http://openfsm.net/projects/icmembers-declarations



@ EA036

@PT >? iburcio

Muito quickly. I agree with Hector. @ 1 year that we have to resume the activities that we have done or last year : to meet two expanded CIs, mobilize, integrate more groups facilitating thematic, regional and national forums, but especially, especially, we need to solve the problems of our own CI

And I finish by saying that it is necessary to focus more on this agenda that we are carrying out, look at the next meetings to discuss not only the criteria of Integration no CI, more @ 2 on all or function of the secretary, or commitment of each organization 

It is very difficult to solve Isso, it is very difficult to raise an international GF, not qual or CI has an important role. 

Entao eu I insist nisso: we are going to intensify this agenda of political and organic revitalization of CI's own - muito obrigado 


@ES >EN Tiburcio Very fast. I agree with Héctor. @ 1 I think we have to resume the activities we did last year: expand the IC meetings, mobilize, integrate more the facilitating groups of thematic, regional and national forums, but above all, above all, we must solve the problems. of the CI itself And I end by saying that we need to focus more on this agenda that we are carrying out, today and in the next meetings to discuss not only the criteria of Integration in the CI, but @ 2 especially the functioning of the secretariat, the commitment of each organization Without solving this, it is very difficult to create an international GF, in which the CI can play an important role. So I insist on that: we are going to intensify this agenda of political and organic revitalization of the CI itself - thank you very much


@ EA037

@ES >EN

Thanks Tiburcio you really respected 2 minutes well and said the essentials 


@ EA038

@FR hamouda 

Moi j'ai juste…. des fois les choses sont easy, et on essaie de les complicar hein. Je viens de voir le message de Maui, qu'il vient d'envoyer sur le chat.

@ 1 On the background that Mauri dit la seule façon qu'on puisse travailler, it seems that nous avons toujours fait: donate a coup de main to the organizing committee of the soit à Montréal, contribute to Dakar et tout ça et leur processus continue

 notre groupe, tout à l'heure Francine peut-être à parler de ça, du CI lle CI peut supporter pourrait être en lui-même un gros facilitateur avec les personnes peuvent travailler 

@ 2 c'est bon je viens de le dire on n'a pas besoin d'ouvrir à 50000 organization et tout ça, mais on peut faire des rencontres avec les organizations

Comme vous le savez, tous les forums sociaux il ya beaucoup de gens que sont avec nous dans le Conseil international qui ne s'impliquent pas dans le contrat international, but who organisent an activité au Forum social, avec plein d'événements, plein de mobilizations, avec plein de choses

@ 3 il faut pas tomber dans le piège que nous allons create une autre structure c'est la même structure, avec des comités qui vont s'intégrer avec le Comité Mexicain, pour pouvoir avancer

@ 4 la question de la communication, les outils de communication pour le forum virtue  

Pareil pour le virtuel Erwan est là, yann est la, tout au monde Carminda dans tout le monde qui t à travaillé derrière ce processus Rita et tout ce monde sur les questions de communication vont pouvoir se lier, puisque Aaron il est au Mexique, il a déjà fait le virtuel, donc il ya une continuation who goes faire par rapport à cela


@ 5 La même chose par rapport aux forum thematique où les thematiques qui ont été discussed

 Les Mexicains vont discuter de thematique il faudrait que nous on discusses avec eux   queles thematique que ils veulent to address premièrement, it seems that c'est eux les 80% of the local participation , if it already joins participation présentielle ça serait ça 

moi je thought that the most urgent puisque les Mexicains ont pris leave a decision that will be the mois de mai avril depuis là il already join date qu'il faut commencer à communiquer 

@ 6 il faut faire an appel à l'international comme quoi le Forum social va avoir lieu au Mexique in 2022 on parlera pas neither de présentiel nor virtuel   nor de rien on parle de processus mondiale 

@ 7 Donc dans ce processus du social mondial il already a calendrier et mobilization qui doit et fait. de ce calendrier de mobilization internationale, il ya des organizations who participated in the forum virtuel et qui veulent Continuer le travail 

On leur lançant le prochain appel pour dire que le mexique il est en train d'organiser le Forum social et les gens vont encore plus se mobiliser 

@ 8 at the moment-là ,, the committee or the group of the International Council that is going to serve the other organizations that are ouvertes pour l'international, more than the group of facilitation soit géré for the members of the International Council,

 je suis désolé a quoi nous servons sinon? d'être quoi? de parler de parler, de parler,… ..et at the end chacun de nous va organizer quelque chose à Mexico

Notre rôle c'est de mobiliser . Je suis très content de voir Tiburcio for rapport au forum de la justice et démocatie which is involved. Pour l'organisation de la conférence de presse, et moi aussi il ya 2 mois, quand ils ont commencé, j'ai I participated with lui dans the premier launch of ça. Donc c'est ça notre rôle : C'est d'aider à faire tout ce travail là, et that c'est comme ça who will be able to advance.

Sinon on va rester à tourner encore en rond jusqu'à 1 mois de l'événement avant de créer le groupe faciliteur


merci hamouda plus than 2 minutes


@ES >EN hamouda

Only me…. Sometimes things are easy and we try to complicate them, huh. I just saw the message from Maui you just sent on the chat.

@ 1 Basically what Mauri says the only way we can work, because we have always done it: give a hand to the Montreal organizing committee, bring Dakar and all that and their process continues

 our group, later Francine maybe talking about that, the IC The IC can support could be in itself a great facilitator with the people it can work with

@ 2 is fine. I just said we don't need to open up to 50,000 organizations and all that, but we can meet with organizations.

As you know, in all social forums there are many people who are with us in the International Council who do not get involved in the international contract, but who organize an activity in the Social Forum, with many events, many people. . of mobilizations, with many things

@ 3 We must not fall into the trap that we are going to create another structure, it is the same structure, with committees that will be integrated with the Mexican committee, in order to move forward


@ 4 the question of communication, the communication tools for the virtual forum

The same for the virtual Erwan is there, yann is there, everyone in the world Carminda in all those who have worked behind this process Rita and everyone in communication issues will be able to connect, since Aaron is in Mexico, he already did the virtual . , so there is a continuation to be done in relation to that


@ 5 The same with regard to thematic forums where the topics that have been discussed

 Mexicans are going to discuss an issue, we would have to discuss with them which issue they want to address first, because they represent 80% of local participation, if there is a face-to-face participation that would be

I believe that the most urgent thing since the Mexicans have already made a decision that will be the month of May April since then there is a date that must be communicated.

@ 6 we must make an international appeal that the Social Forum will be held in Mexico in 2022 we will not talk about face-to-face or virtual or anything we are talking about a global process


@ 7 So in this global social process there is a timetable and a mobilization that must be done. of this international mobilization calendar, there are organizations that participated in the virtual forum and want to continue the work

We launched the next call to say that Mexico is organizing the Social Forum and the people will mobilize even more


@ 8 at that time, the committee or group of the International Council that will be open to other organizations that are open to the international , but that this facilitation group is managed by the members of the International Council,

 Sorry, why are we in any other way? Be what? talk to talk, talk,… ..and in the end each of us will organize something in Mexico

Our role is to mobilize. I am very happy to see Tiburcio in relation to the justice and democracy forum in which he was involved. For the organization of the press conference, and I also 2 months ago, when they started, I participated with him in the first launch of this. So that's our role: to help do all this work, and that's how we're going to move forward.

Otherwise, we will stay to go around in circles until 1 month before the event before creating the facilitating group.


thank you hamouda more than 2 minutes



@ EA039

@PT >??? him continue for no maximum number of seconds, because we set a very little time for debate 

Entering into us great and great subsidies and debate times is being very short 

It fears the own agenda for 2021 so it is a Hamuda suggestion to Rosa who is organizing an agenda, so that we can continue this debate, which issues are quite important.

I want to promote some coisas, who accompany the reunião do México, accompany them in a disciplined way, with intervenção, and posso testmunhar as a productive , and in a certain convergent way, at the reunião do México, with a lack of excessive participation, in a proper moment of Mexico. 

@ 2 Isso faced me with Francine, on the importance of respecting the autonomy of the Mexican process , this respect or acho, It must be of CI and also of CI people, we small processes that happen, inquant a relationship between or conselho eo comunit is given  

There are also space groups where this situation of a certain excessive participation in the country that sometimes has a little participation, youth, and new organizations, that they should feel challenged to take ownership of the process, to act with creativity, and not to be domesticated by CI or that from fate to far gives an idea of ​​a new process, 

@ 3 Because the World Social Forum, the most important item needs to always be an emerging process, novo, leading as a living reality, and not as a continuity itself. 

Also as this Hamuda, it is very important to define what will be the agenda of the CI work in international mobilization, which is the main task of the International Council, and to do so much for an involvement not processed this year, of other organizations, and own Agencies that need to be confronted with the dynamics of CI role in their relationship with the world at this moment do not stay for two minutes


I want only to compress a person from Aron to the communication of Mexico that managed to overcome a serious problem of the past year of an excessive expectation that the large corporations of Essencial own the forum and the entrepreneurial risk, we are given the fact that they really have an onslaught or wanted to complement pela supeção desse moment desejar um bom work here 


@ES >ENRita  Hello, I will try to speak quickly and, first of all, Marcela proposes this debate to everyone, yes to everyone, on the relationship of the International Council and with the Mexican process.

@ 1 Let it continue at most in a second moment, because we have very little time to debate Enter and we have had large and large subsidies and the debate times are getting shorter If you have your own agenda for 2021 then it is a suggestion from Hamuda to Rosa who is organizing the agenda, so that we can continue this debate, which has very important issues. I want to point out some things, I followed the meeting in Mexico, I followed it in a disciplined way, without intervention, and I can attest to how productive, and in a certain way convergent, it was the meeting in Mexico, without our excessive participation, at a time in Mexico .

@ 2 This makes me align myself with Francine, on the importance of respecting the autonomy of the Mexican process, I believe that this respect must come from CI and also from CI's people, in the small processes that take place, as a relationship between the city council. and the community.There are also space groups where this situation of certain excessive participation, I believe that sometimes it inhibits participation a bit, be it of Youth, or of new organizations, which must feel challenged to take ownership of the process, to act creatively, and not to be domesticated by the CI, which in fact starts from the idea of ​​a new process,

@ 3 Because the World Social Forum has more, it must always be an emergent, new process that faces the living reality and not as a continuity in

Yes. Here too, as Hamuda said,It is very important to define what the agenda and the work of the IC will be in international mobilization, I believe that this is the main task of the International Council, and to look at both a participation in the process this year, from other organizations, and the agencies themselves who need to face the dynamics of CI's role in their relationship with the world at this time I don't know if they already have two minutes

I just want to congratulate the person of Aron for the communication from Mexico that managed to overcome a serious problem last year from an expectation excessive than the big corporations of the Essential Forum itself and with the risk of using our data and a crash was really desired. to complement you for getting through this moment to wish you a good job her



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@ES >ENmarcela Hello, a question, how can we do that we cannot have to have a time lynx, I have to present allegations, there were three interventions, rose liege tord, do we continue or not? Óscar asked but we had already closed the list, we asked the interpreters for an extra



@ EA041

@ES >EN

Rosa actually told them that now we have left some interpreters of English Spanish that we are here, she is crossing with some interpreters, some have to go but I do not know when she will take what is missing


@ EA042

@ES >EN

Marcela we have 3 interventions left according to Catherine's summary of 5 minutes maximum but she accepts more registrations - only 3 interventions - we have to speak Spanish or English and Portuguese


 

@ EA043

@PT

Liege

I want to paraben parainformos start from damien um for the other não 

The United States wanted to raise a concern that was expressed by Francine Mauri and the following: @ 1  we are other members, not to be virtual, but this is the international facilitating group 

The facilitator groups located Claro with participation two members two 

Why create an international facilitating group? There is no superposition of @ 2 institution Because there is no other facilitating group from Mexico, this interaction, an articulation as CI, because I do not think that a more facilitating group is needed,

 There is a local that has the participation of members of the CI and the organization of Mexico. It is now necessary to know how to organize articulation because in Bahia we have a facilitating group such as Damien presented a foi atuante, many times looking for international support, and isso that he wanted to say 

Gives meu point of view no need for this international facilitating group, it is or a fine, fast, and permanent articulation, like CI E isso that I wanted to say 


@ES >EN Liege I want to congratulate myself for the early information from Damien to each other not I just wanted to raise a concern that has already been expressed by Francine Mauri and the following: @ 1 in the other social, if not virtual, there was no international facilitating group local facilitating groups Claro with the participation of members of the Why create an international facilitating group? It is not an overlap of instance @ 2. Because not only does the facilitating group exist in Mexico, and having an interaction, an articulation like CI, because I don't think it needs another facilitating group, there is a place where the CI members participate and are organized in Mexico. Now we need to improve our articulation, because in Bahia we had a facilitating group, since Damien Presento was active, many times seeking international support,and that's what I wanted. say from my point of view, there is no need for this international facilitating group, it is just an exquisite, improved and permanent articulation with the CI And that's what I wanted to say


@ EA044

@IES >EN rosa

Between changing overinterpretation

No good, I point out very quickly, a little taking up Francine's concerns, that I think if we have to take up the reflection of the IC that involves forming this international facilitating group?

@ 1 I believe that it is rather how the IC is incorporated and is part of the commissions that are going to be formed in Mexico

And that it is not only Mexico that prepares it, that is, start doing this exchange 

@ 2 And at the same time, as CI, we have to strengthen our relationships with global movements, we have also been doing it as new organizations are involved and are part of CI

So, the facilitating group has to see its dynamics internally. I think that will be its own and it will be autonomous 

@ 3 But the commissions that are built have to be incorporated by CI members. There we said in the facilitating group in Mexico that it was important for the CI's counterpart commissions to participate and join or merge in this process. For the methodology preparation commissions, Finance, communication, in short 

I think this is what we meant 

But we have to make this link between the different commissions 

This was my only comments



@ EA045

@EN Tord 

@ 1I Consider myself with a special interest in the world social forum, but I'm sorry to say it's been so boring and bureaucratic most of the meeting, that is impossible to follow, until hector spoke 

And he started to speak about the necessity to really get the bigger international popular movements along, which is my special concern, and I'm in regular contact with the ITUC, with friends of the Earth international leadership, with via campesina, with cop26 coalition , and with the young climate activists. And yesterday I spoke to the general secretary of international peace Bureau 

@ 2 And my general feeling is that they're totally uninterested in general about the world social forum process in this kind of discussions

"Ship away" I would tell them. it's totally useless for them to discuss whether there should be a Mexicans or whether this all things   but I understand it's internally necessary.

But God heaven, you will never reach out. 

@ 3 The only way to reach out is with a success due to the renewal of the word social forum process, that's pushed the necessity of having facilitating groups thematic, which can choose and focus and prioritize politics , and i don't hear one single word of politics here

And this is totally impossible: you will never get movements along, if we don't start facilitating process with political content. 

@ 4 And as far as I understood, Mexican have, from the very start, wanted, and explicitly said they wanted, some kind of an international Supporting group, and then we should listen to them. 

And it's a total new situation, a great new situation, with this possibility of having a virtual thing as well , so

@ 5 as long as there is nothing going on, in terms of inviting people to start do politics, in terms of thematic facilitators etc, nothing will happen. 

But then things could happen, but not don't wait as long as last year . It was a catastrophy 6-months and nothing happened


From tordbjork à tout le monde: 05:44 PM

IP, FOI, COP25 Coalition, Via Campesina and TUC follow up of the decisions and contact during WSF but outside the WSF process which s to time and energy consuming. We start on Monday with the presentation of the IPB World Congress in Barcelona were many global movements will participate addressing the need for disarmament for social and ecological transition, we continue linking the issues ion similar manner celebrating FOEI + 50 years 2021 and towards the 50 anniversary of the first UN thematic conference and summit protests 1972 with protests against US imperialist ecocide in Vietnam find several common actions.

IPB = International Peace Bueau


@ES >ENTord

@ 1 I consider myself to have a special interest in the world social forum, but I regret to say that most of the meeting has been so boring and bureaucratic, that it is impossible to follow, until Hector spoke .

And he started talking about the need to really advance the largest international popular movements, which is my special concern, and I am in regular contact with the ITUC, with the international leadership of Friends of the Earth, with Via Campesina, with the COP26 Coalition. and with young climate activists. And yesterday I spoke with the secretary general of the International Peace Bureau

@ 2 And my general feeling is that, in general, they are not interested in the world social forum process in these kinds of discussions . “Boarding,” I would tell them. for them it is totally useless to discuss whether there should be Mexicans or if this is all, but I understand that it is necessary internally.

But dear God, you will never reach.

@ 3 The only way to get there is successfully due to the renewal of the word social forum process, that pushed the need to have thematic facilitating groups, who can choose and focus and prioritize politics, and I do not listen to a single one. A word of politics here And this is totally impossible: the movements will never get along, if we don't start to facilitate the process with political content.

@ 4 And from what I understand, Mexicans, from the beginning, have wanted, and have explicitly said they wanted, some kind of international support group, and then we should listen to them. And it's a totally new situation, a great new situation, with this possibility of having something virtual as well, so

@ 5 As long as there is nothing, in terms of inviting people to start doing politics, in terms of thematic facilitators, etc., nothing will happen. But then things could happen, but don't wait as long as last year. It was a catastrophe 6 months and nothing happened

@ES De tordbjork à tout le monde: 05:44 pm

IP, FOI, Coalition COP25, Via Campesina and TUC follow up on decisions and contact during the WSF but outside of the WSF process, which consumes time and energy. We started on Monday with the presentation of the IPB World Congress in Barcelona where many global movements will participate addressing the need for disarmament for social and ecological transition, we continue to link the issues in a similar way celebrating FOEI + 50 years 2021 and towards the 50th anniversary of the first UN thematic conference and the 1972 summit protests with protests against the US imperialist ecocide in Vietnam find several common actions.

IPB = International Peace Bueau




@ EA046

@IES >EN

Marcela Thank you Tord, then Hamuda added oscar. It is the last intervention after we would finish the meeting


@ EA047

@ES >ENOscar 

Well, this meeting had to do with the relationship of the facilitating committee of Mexico with the IC, and there they have already discussed in part in the meeting that we have had some of the content of this relationship 

So it has been said that it is not only about forms or criteria , but about facts and realities,

@ 1 when and how large organizations are going to be placed and so that if it is not around minimal decisions made by the IC, and in this case the facilitated group from Mexico, on highly current problems 

For example, the Nobel prizes have just been pronounced on patents for vaccines, and the need to universalize them. There are issues such as the thawing of the great Iztaccihuatl volcano in Mexico, which is a milestone in all of the climate problem, and there is the G20 meeting in Italy 

Isn't it time that the CI took a position and a decision in the best possible way? to go out and have concrete positions in the face of vital realities, as mentioned here 

Otherwise, it seems to me that we are going to turn on methodological and not substantive debates and discussions .

 Then take a position, and decide from the Council actions that can be simply taking possession, or presence and participation, in current world affairs. This is my proposal




@ EA048

@ES >EN Marcela 

Thanks Oscar, we finished the meeting and if Rosy and Hamuda have something to add, well thank you for the presentations they made to you, which were interesting to thank Catherine who was taking a cough that is going to send us a note of the main conclusions of this meeting. On my part it is running out if rose or amulet have something to add


 

@ EA049

@ES >EN hamouda 

I can speak in French only if there is no translation, I will speak in Spanish 

@ 1 / It is very important for this meeting to have the momentum , it is very important for the group meaning the Mexican facilitating group, to continue its work, the support of the International Council is very important.

@ 2 / The second is very important, if we have why we decide that we have, as it says, a date for the World Social Forum in Mexico.  It is very important that the Mexican group makes a written call to tell you that the World Social Forum is going to do it in Mexico in 2022. It is very important 

@ 3 / In the third only setting is to continue the discussion, for how to support the facilitating group of Mexico, as supported in the methodology  of the preparation of the meeting on the 22nd. How do I prepare it? because he cannot discuss Mexican organizations with Mexicans on May 22. Without knowing what to discuss and what are the important points to discuss is very important That there is a group that works with Mexicans to prepare for the meeting on the 22nd is very important 

Because if we do not have a meeting to think about work by the Mexican group to continue the international mobilization, immobilize these four for the fourth.

@ 4 / and the fourth. Armando said it and Pierre also said it in his intervention, is that the International Council has continental, subregional, organizations that can make mobilizations in each region, to mobilize 

For my physicist it is a way to work and mobilize the whole world for Mexico for the next meeting is May 22 with friends from Mexico ...

@ 5 My proposal to have a meeting next week with a group from Mexico to discuss the method meeting, this is the proposal I can make 4 





@ EA050


@EN

Well, Hamouda, let's meet the next one with the Mexican facilitating group. I share with you that we agreed to meet on May 8 to prepare for the session on May 22, and I don't know if it will be too late until May 8, and it will be necessary to see if, I don't know, to next week, we can search, to go thinking with the face but we could tie with May 8


Hamouda next week


Rosa get together as CI with the facilitator collective, we can think about it 


Hamouda for preparing the meeting on the 22nd


Rosa, yes, well, we can call the collective and how I think Héctor Óscar had next week is the first of May, the meeting that we raised on May 8 because it passes through May 1 . I say we leave for May 8


@ EA051

@ES Hector 

Several union organizations were going to march in the streets in Mexico City on Saturday, May 1, in addition to virtual events. So Saturday May Day for us is not possible, because we are going to be in demonstration. So I think the date - May 8th was set, it gives enough time to prepare for the meeting on the 22nd , and take advantage of the fact that there is an appointment on the Mexican side so that in any case, what Hamouda proposes on Saturday May Day we will not be able because we are going to be mobilizing 



@ EA052

@EN

Rosa, I say that we meet on May 8, do you think? we prepare the interpreters let us prepare a day that maybe could be a longer day 


@ EA053

@EN

Pierre what is the agenda? 

@ EA054

@PT liege For no problem this Coast to move or its time some Brazilians will enter late change or time here ago

@ ES liege T o not have a problem this Costa, changing their schedule, some Brazilians arrived late, they changed the time here now


@ EA055

@EN

Rosa The meeting on May 8 will be at 8 in Mexico d e Brazil 

Well thank you very much Marcela more thanks Catherin thanks Hamouda, thanks to everyone who came to the meeting thanks to the interpreters for putting up with us until now

We are here doing miracles with communication, see you next time on May 8


@ EA056

@EN

Hamuda a call for the CI: we have people who can interpret that they are good to mobilize them well very pretty Rosy you have

 

@ EA057

@EN

Rosa, if you have more people who can support us, welcome. We have a big team, but it's always good by the way. 

Today is the Carmen day of the energy of death, it is the energy to be reborn a little of you all and to renew their we must remove Ramos to make them dear





Participants 04/24 rosy x hmouda aala anna nystrom catherine debora rodrigues francine gus ian marcela diakalia tord ole norma

pierre liege marie elena saluds fatima villario rosana andre youssef oscar salete mauri rita leo

bruno murthinho