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@2 Hamouda
#1 those who want to organize a forum must know the limits
#2 in 2008 we created a online forum
#3 we could make things - after expressing our hope and trust in the process - how are we to work from now on - no more planes - how are we to organize?
#4 why is wsf important today ? what are the challenges? could we organize a main event - think together what do we want
#5 how are we to work together - despite tensions -
#6 we are obliged as IC member to reinforce networks and - how are we to organize the 20th anniversary of this forum who gave us all
#7 some think forum is not active - many things have gone out of forums
@3 Leo
#8 introduce, besides WSF, an assembly that could combine all elements and get to agreements about strategies to follow - object of june 13th
@4 Gus
#9 wsf is not alone - there are movement that have developed and with which we could build real alliance
,#10 wsf is part of it but not alone - need to group with others
@5 Oscar
#11 some initiative have been proposed as go more to action then reflexion and informacion interchange
#12 and have in the next event not all the thematic axes , but a deep debate about what has been and can be the forum -
@6 Rita
#13 todays challenge is find a way - to listening everyone about how it is possible to sway together ion neoliberalism
#14 discussion is the other possible world and not the wsf process - discussion should be about possible agreements about possible world - then discussion on how the forum can help
@7 Hector
#15 evident the necessity of a new global subject with social movement that can face the situation - those who were created before are weakened such as wsf
#16 is there a place for WSF in this re-articulacion of movements
17 the main point is whether international actors agree to have an appointment - we want to hear this from you - if people are not interested - we are not asking for it
#18 those that think that the movement will come back in the old rules i think they are in error
@8 Tord
#19 there are movements outsides wsf process who may have answers -
#20 this big movement is as problematic and byzantine as wsf
#21 have an assemble of social movement much better prepared
@9Carlos
#22 i feel represented by the precall from WGIC and the finance project prepared by mauri
@10 Azril
#23 It is setting an effective popular communication agenda. In counterpoint to Bannon
#24 It seems that the enemy is sometimes more us than out there.
@11Erol
# 25 You have to work for me: says the system. Neoliberalism does not work, it steals our future. The peoples must be organized.
@12 Felix
#25A articulacion of emancipatory processes to build -collective subjects
#25B this subject being built can build progarm mechanism in common
#25C the power that be are building the post neoliberal phase -
@13 Pierre
#26 forum open space is the main resource that can be offered
#27 I think it is dangerous to have the vision that we are going to “negotiate” on open space-
#28 We have to stimulate the discussion of coalitions in an open space online.
#29 The collective reflection of the form of the forum has not advanced for 10 years
#30 Propose "online encounters" more ambitious than webinars - self-organized with follow-up topics. and to propose "Initiatives" that are self organized struggles campaigns transforming projects
#31 build coalitions of participating actors who take responsibility for the initiatives. An Initiative: it is to act for one year. an Activities: is to talk three hours.
#32 The task of WSF facilitators is not to do political coordination, but to find ways through which actors get involved, in coalition building
@14Maren
#33 there are those who say that wsf need presence of social forces that are outside of wsf space - and if those do not want to come - it is no use to make a forum
@15Salete
#34 is it important to organize or reorganize the wsf space
#35 it is fundamental that we start dialogue with local movement s and big international network present in our countries - if each organization commits to organize a mobilization in its country -we progress
#36 it is fundamental that we give priority to methodology question - we cannot do as before and also communication and technology need priority
#37 mexico has the condition to build the process up to the event
@16Vittorio
#38 have a public declaration of IC about pandemics
#39 before a event have a meeting two day meeting - together 200 person to discuss how to prepare wsf
@17Alessia
#40 in the precall name clearly that capitalist patriarchal ca and state that is creating the problem
#41 we have multiplication of weavings - 300 people from rojava --------the communities are building other system y values mexico rojava
@18Armando
#42 confirm the importance of wsf that makes up as a global actor confluence of actors
#43 building agendas that allow to dispute
#44 make us to transform and use better online tools and stimulate preparative events lead us to show the strength of wsf - before during after the event
#45 Position the WSF as colective actor and as encounter space wide and diverse enough that the forum builds as actor and positions - positions that can be diverse but abide about some principles
@19Rosa
#46 need to take position and wsf to build global social subject - which are the protocols
#47 think as a process and build processive dialogues -not webinars - where we think how to act concretely
#48 the wsf in Mexico is necessary but we need to think how and when - and how it will make us act in our reality
@20Taoufik
#49 agree with vittorio about a declaration by council members about covid - there is a series of points debt geopolitics of covid - new poverty - role of state - capturing new action margins
#50 suggest an intermediate meeting to speak strategy methodology communication and finance
#51 movements are not able to participating activity and open space acts as a jungle where invisible hand plays - openspace cannot be a reality if there is not solidarity and available of IC so that everyone gets in and access to forum - open space becomes a reality when solidarity is organized
@21Mireille
M52 Make a declaration of IC members - for the first time western countries have experienced - people most stricken are the” racized” people doing the exposed jobs and with health insecurity
#53 speak of wsf as a process and not an event - we could have more continuity - work on a long term conceptualization of a process -
@22Hamouda
#54 make a call ic member declaration about the corona - who writes the draft
#55 wsf is a process we need to build it - hector said we must all put this in place the 20th is a political move to show we exist
#56 everyone in his continent ( calling to Danny ) so we can go to mexico equitative openspace - build our process important
#57 a group of people to draft the to review the pre call
@23Antonio
#57A agree Vittorio to do a conference
@24Felix
#58 in hamouda summary state the need to move to a superior acting capacity - not that the forum becomes this actor
@25Sheila
#59 it is the moment that th wsf reinvent - political incidence in the world --- including amplifying the voice of movements - that ic review its form of acting necessity of action
#60 the health forum can help show tracks about concrete ways of political sway - Armando placed three suggestion in the chat
@26Hamouda
#61 we can make an agenda so we say dynamic and organize many thing s - and progress on key issues - on migration - organize encounters with movement try to understand people and driven them to the
#62 go fetch the movement and youth that will not come sit with them what do you want and support them in their action
@27Hector
#63 i have not received answers to the question i made - the perspective of a wsf is still to be seen
#64 organize dialogue with more networks - we are without conclusion about the perspective of wsf
@28Pierre
#65 Different IC organizations can think how to organize "online encounters " and invite non IC/ WSF movements. Without pressing them, with an open attitude, of dialogue, proposing an encounter with topic and perspective that may interest them. It is a promising path.
#66 open space is being built and maintained collectively with the cooperation of IC organizations - and that it is easier to be inclusive online, regardless of visas and travel costs
#67 Making these encounters, which are intercommunicative processes, can help to give diversity and seriousness to the commitment of IC organizations with different actors. So they can understand how to participate in the forum open space. “ why and how participate”
#68 Organize online space with welcome encounters to Develop online communication in social network where young people are well present.
@29Leo
#69 is it is new thing that vast majority is in favor of building a political subject
#70 see if in the precall can be call for a worldwide movement in the territories of each organizations-
@30Oscar
#71 the building of a political global actor - how did it go when the wsf appeared
#72 who is called there need to be an opening towards all kind of strength that look for a space - to create this political subject able to act ----- encounter the common in all the intervention
#73 it is evident to take again the original sense of the forum : open to the max to all type of strength against the system
@31Hector
#74 i doubt that we meet the objective - what we assess about the participation for junte 13th - can we maintain this date
@32Oscar
#75 calling who for what ? need to have an attractive proposal - eric who work in international finance - has said to make pressure to cancel public debt - it is not affecting the same north and south - themes like this one could be attractive - call celebrities from the progresista group - -that there be concrete and global action
@33Francine
#76 the date - i think it is very short but it has to be in june month - before holiday period
# 77 there is a big divergence that is never said - there is one person fetishcizing the open space, while others speak about an actor, this is not a space this is an actor we are with this divergence
#78 and it is important for the precall letter - will we ask them to respect the charter of principle - this is a n important point - which type of forum do we want to build - there is no problem with the open space this is a divergence we - which will be the condition for them to participate
@34Leo
#79 debt is important militarization is important too - will contact peace bureau and ITUC - we launch a call to movement to action –
#80 we should divide the task of who contacts who, there are many and we should not contact several of them, it would be double work
#81 There are different political orientations. We are launching a call for movements for a dialogue directed towards action ... in the sense ... in favor of the political subject. Rather, the june meeting aims to build the political subject.
@35Carlos Tiburcio
#82 we need to think about all and give a step each time - this meeting had a -wide participation - there was work to prepare tit - we have the 3 WGIC working
#83 about the content of the June meeting - i understand that the charter of principles as it is, is not an obstacle
#84 understand the francine question - it is important - it is necessary to face to debate along the process and not as a prerequisite because it is not
#85 we need to dare invite some organization that via campesina but we dare more invite also articulation ample and recent - that ti is important to listen - economy de francisca - international progressive - friday for future
@36Tord
#85 we started climate movement 1991 left was looking down upon us - greta thunberg would not sign the charter of principles ---------- the movement ecologist has been marginalized in all history of wsf
#86 we have not the same history about representativeness
#87 social movement assembly is a representative process common it is necessary -
@37Ole
#88 we do not project discussion about the charter in a wide space - difficult to enter a space -- wibile as what wsf is - need to know what we are - and hear out the invited movements hear their reflexions and strategies ---how the space of wsf can be helpful for them
#89 i wonder if we have resources to facilitate in a good way - this next meeting needs facilitation - i appreciate this current meeting but if we invite broader set of groups and we need a lot smoother facilitation - it is very hard to follow the discussion - if the invited movements feel it is chaotic it may even hurt the credibility of the wsf -
@38Pierre
#90 About the Global Subject is somewhat ambiguous. It is a formulation brought by Hector in the Porto Alegre discussion, it is different from the notion of "revitalization of the fsm process" - There is no consensus on what "global subject" is.
#91 for me, they are a network of intertwined Coalitions that are in relation to each other that can be thought of as a global subject, but in the form of a network of a cloud of actors, not a single construction.
#92 Each issue can be worked on in self-organized encounters , with the active presence of IC organizations
#93 There are people who see a great "Assembly of social movements".inside the wsf space , I do not see a problem with the charter of principles, inasmuch nobody is speaking on behalf of the forum
#94 nothing and no one prevented these assemblies from becoming permanent networks between wsf forum events,.
#95 If someone has a problem being in the open space of the WSF, it is interesting to know their reasons because they are not restricted by anything, apart from the broad ideological position of the letter of principles, which should be compatible with their own,
/#96 It is important to have an attractive and clear narrative of participation ... A / the global subject is not the forum, the forum remains as a process and space There are people who want to articulate and see the forum as a useful place for it
#97 B / The WSF methodology can be improved. There is the form of "online encounters" to gradually mature the perspective of articulation on a variety of topics. There is the "initiative" format to formalize groups that are willing to act together on something -That people understand what they are invited to do
@39Hamouda
#98 we agree on 27th we have one month to contact organization and the call
#99 sfor the charter - in each forum there has been activity on this - the charter will need renovation - 50000 participants accept the charter without signing it - you have all the right to get in the forum
#100 Tord say some people will not join - the first forum was without charter we need to be together now
#101 our work should be made on the call to movement - Questions raised by Gus - take the time - stay together - next meeting we take time to discuss this - this is our role be together and progress
@40Jannet
#101A let us make the list of organization we know and other ones - invite to a dialogue where we listen to what are their feeling about the charter -
@41Liege
#102 it is not in this meeting that will renew the charter - internal discussion in the IC
#103 will broaden call but to whom who and with which objectives
#104 if we have an agenda we can invite about this agenda - we need to focus on the current conjecture crises political social health - this implies a series of issues
@42Rosa
#105 how to have the debate about the charter of principle inside IC - we cannot invite anyone
@43Gus
#106 what we need to do is an international poll inviting all movements that consider themselves alter-global - with 2 questions: A/ what is your strategy taking into account of the pandemic situation - B/ what is the international dimension of this strategy and how to contribute to a global interaction subject,
#107 we will publish by email the answers ---many alter-global movement that have been sometime in the forum tord has started a list -
@44Armando
#108 -from various contributions a kernel list of important issues - bring to consideration next saturday make a list of invitees
#109 an open dialogue about strategy as gus put forward - how they look at a global subject? how they see the forum in this? - the dynamics of meeting - listening to these organizations and their projection in the format of the forum
#110 we cannot impose an internal IC vision IC Forum - in many ways they can criticize the forum - and from those critiques maybe open a revision of the charter further along -
#111 broaden the IC - it is a new step of the forum - beware not to impose the internal debate of IC to those external actors guarantee an open debate --
@45Sheila
# 112 in this meeting How the social forum can strengthen common fights. It is an active listening meeting. The charter can avoid political incidents- quoting the article 1 - movements that align on this view are welcome - in this meeting there should not select a theme but how wsf can help common struggles that help tackle the article 1 of the charter -
#113 the listening will indicate what should be changed in the wsf charter - so that it does not impede to sway politically - A meeting of listening in the perspective of strengthen the forum will give way to next IC meeting to make the necessary changes - invite organization to apply for the IC - they frill invited to join the IC -
@46Rita
#114 there is a large movement ide the included in many movement outside the forum - movement for the right to communication that is disappointed about the wsf - wf free media with an agenda in the forum
#115 proposal of changes from this movement were approved in 2017 in the IC - 4 years stalled with this agenda - speak with those organizations
@48Rosa
# 116 IC meeting 6th june - bring the list of organizations we want to invite
#117 armando actions against pandemics revise the precall and adapt -
#118 the revision of wsf charter can be done inside IC and not be a limitation --
@49Hector
#119 that the articulation group meeting - do the work proposed not make it quickly and finalize what we said and implement-
@50Sheila
#120 for the call consider organizations that have proposals in the covid, not only those already acting on the covid
@51Carlos Tiburcio
#121 in the 27th we will discuss the post pandemic virus-
@52Rita
-#122 those we talk with must necessarily be counter hegemonic and anti-neoliberal, that acknowledge the damage to the world
@53Hamouda
#123 articulation group meet finalize the call - this week so that next saturday the document is ready
#124 for the assembly of social movement - in Bahia there was not - because the discussion - we must rethink about assembly of social movement - many groups are in not all, there should be a work before the forum