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@2 Hamouda

#1 those who want to organize a forum must know the limits

#2 in 2008 we created a online forum 

 #3 we could make things -  after expressing our hope and trust in the process - how are we to work from now on -   no more planes   - how are we to organize?

#4  why is wsf important today ?  what are the challenges?   could we organize a main event -   think together what do we want

#5 how are we  to work together  -  despite tensions  -

#6  we are obliged as IC member to reinforce networks and -  how are we to organize the 20th anniversary of this forum who gave us all 

#7 some think forum is not active  - many things have gone out of forums 

@3 Leo

#8 introduce,  besides WSF,  an assembly that could combine  all elements and get to agreements about  strategies to follow  -  object of  june 13th 

@4 Gus

 #9 wsf  is not alone  -  there are movement that have developed and with which we could build real alliance 

,#10 wsf is part of it but not alone -  need to group with others 

@5 Oscar

#11  some initiative have been proposed as go more to action then reflexion and informacion interchange 

 #12 and  have in the next  event not all the thematic axes  , but a deep debate  about  what has been and can be the forum -

@6 Rita

 #13 todays challenge is find a way  - to listening everyone about how it is possible to  sway together ion neoliberalism

#14 discussion is the other possible world and not the wsf process  -  discussion should be about possible agreements about  possible world  -   then discussion on how the forum can help

@7 Hector

#15 evident the necessity of a new global subject with social movement that can face  the situation  - those who were created before  are weakened  such as wsf

#16 is there a place for WSF in this re-articulacion of movements

17 the main point is whether international actors agree to have an appointment -  we want to hear this from  you  -  if people are not interested -  we are not asking for it 

#18 those that think that  the movement  will come back in the old rules i think they are in error 

@8 Tord

#19  there are movements outsides wsf process who may have answers  -

 #20 this big movement is as problematic and byzantine as wsf 

#21 have an assemble of social movement  much better prepared

@9Carlos

#22 i feel represented by the  precall from  WGIC  and the finance project prepared by mauri 

@10 Azril

#23 It is setting an effective popular communication agenda. In counterpoint to Bannon

#24 It seems that the enemy is sometimes more us than out there.

@11Erol

# 25 You have to work for me: says the system. Neoliberalism does not work, it steals our future. The peoples must be organized.

@12 Felix

#25A articulacion of  emancipatory processes to    build -collective  subjects

#25B this subject being built can build progarm mechanism in common

#25C the power that be are building the post neoliberal  phase -

@13 Pierre

#26 forum open space is the main resource that can be offered

#27 I think it is dangerous to have the vision that we are going to “negotiate” on open space-

#28 We have to stimulate the discussion of coalitions in an open space online.

#29 The collective reflection of the form of the forum has not advanced for 10 years

#30 Propose  "online encounters" more ambitious than webinars - self-organized with follow-up topics. and to propose "Initiatives" that are self organized struggles campaigns transforming projects

 #31 build coalitions of participating actors who take responsibility for the initiatives. An Initiative: it is to act for one year. an Activities: is to talk three hours.

#32 The task of WSF facilitators is not to do political coordination, but to find ways through which actors get involved, in coalition building

@14Maren

#33 there are those who say that  wsf need presence of social forces  that are outside of wsf space  - and if those  do not want to come   - it is no use to make a forum

@15Salete

#34 is it important to organize or reorganize the wsf space  

#35 it is fundamental that we start dialogue  with local movement s and  big international network present in our countries   - if each  organization  commits to organize a mobilization in its country -we progress

 #36 it is fundamental  that we give priority  to methodology  question  - we cannot do  as before  and also communication and technology  need priority

#37 mexico has the condition to build the process  up to the event

@16Vittorio

#38 have a public declaration of IC  about  pandemics

#39 before a event  have a meeting  two day meeting  - together 200 person to discuss how to prepare wsf 

@17Alessia

#40 in the precall name clearly that capitalist  patriarchal ca and state that is creating the problem 

#41 we have multiplication of weavings  - 300 people from rojava --------the communities are building other system y values   mexico  rojava

@18Armando

#42 confirm the importance of wsf   that makes up as a global actor  confluence of actors

#43 building agendas that allow to dispute

#44 make us to transform and use better   online tools and  stimulate  preparative events     lead us to show the strength of wsf -   before during after the event

#45 Position the WSF as colective actor and as encounter space wide and diverse enough that the forum  builds as actor and positions  -     positions that can be diverse but abide about some principles

@19Rosa

#46  need to take position and  wsf to  build global social subject  - which are the protocols

#47  think as a process  and   build processive   dialogues  -not webinars  -  where we think how to act concretely

#48  the wsf in Mexico is necessary  but we need to think how and when   -   and how it will make us act in our reality

@20Taoufik

  #49 agree with vittorio  about a declaration by council members about covid  -  there is a series of points    debt  geopolitics of covid  - new poverty  -   role of state  - capturing new action margins

#50 suggest an intermediate meeting   to speak strategy   methodology communication and finance 

#51 movements are not able to participating activity  and open space  acts as a jungle where invisible hand  plays   -  openspace cannot be a reality if there is not solidarity and available of IC so that everyone gets in  and  access to forum   -  open space  becomes a reality when solidarity is organized

@21Mireille

M52 Make a declaration of IC members  -  for the first time  western countries have experienced   - people most stricken are the” racized” people  doing the exposed jobs and  with health insecurity  

#53  speak  of wsf as a process and not an event - we could have more continuity -  work on a long term conceptualization of a process -  

@22Hamouda

 #54 make a  call ic member  declaration   about the corona  - who writes the draft 

#55  wsf is a process  we need to build it   - hector said we must all put this in place  the 20th is a political move to show we exist 

#56 everyone in his continent  (  calling to Danny ) so we can go  to mexico   equitative  openspace    - build  our process  important 

 #57  a group of people to draft the   to review the pre call  

@23Antonio

#57A  agree Vittorio   to do a conference 

@24Felix

 #58 in hamouda summary  state the need to  move to a superior acting capacity  - not that the forum becomes this  actor 

@25Sheila

 #59 it is the moment that  th wsf reinvent  -    political incidence  in the world ---  including  amplifying the  voice of movements  - that ic  review its form of acting   necessity of action  

 #60  the health forum  can help show tracks  about concrete ways of political sway  -   Armando placed three suggestion in the chat

@26Hamouda

#61 we can make an agenda  so we say dynamic and organize many thing s - and progress on key issues   - on migration   - organize encounters with movement  try to understand people  and  driven them to the 

#62 go fetch the movement and youth   that will not come     sit with them what do you want and support them in their action 

@27Hector

#63  i have not received answers to the question i made -   the perspective  of a wsf is still to be seen

#64 organize dialogue with more networks  - we are without conclusion about the perspective  of wsf  

@28Pierre

 #65 Different IC organizations can  think how to organize "online encounters " and invite non IC/ WSF  movements. Without pressing them, with an open attitude, of dialogue, proposing an encounter with topic and perspective  that may interest them. It is a promising path.

#66 open space is being built and maintained collectively with the cooperation of IC organizations - and that it is easier to be inclusive online, regardless of visas and travel costs

#67 Making these encounters, which are intercommunicative processes, can help to give diversity and seriousness to the commitment of IC organizations with different actors. So they can understand how to participate in the forum open space. “ why and how participate”

 #68  Organize online space with welcome encounters to Develop online communication  in social network where young people are well present.

@29Leo

 #69 is it is new thing that  vast majority is in favor of building a political subject  

#70 see if in the precall  can be  call for a worldwide  movement in the territories of each organizations-

@30Oscar

#71  the building of a political global  actor  -  how did it go when the wsf appeared

#72  who is called   there need to be an opening towards all kind of strength  that look for a space    -  to create this political subject  able to act    ----- encounter the common  in all the intervention

#73  it is evident to take again  the original sense of the forum :  open to the max to all  type of strength against the system 

@31Hector

 #74  i doubt that we meet the objective - what we assess about the participation for junte 13th   -  can we maintain this date

@32Oscar

#75 calling who for what ?   need to have an attractive proposal -  eric who work in international finance   - has said  to make pressure to cancel public debt - it is not affecting the same north and south  - themes like this one could be attractive  -  call celebrities from the progresista group -    -that there be  concrete and global action 

@33Francine

#76  the date -  i think it is very short  but it has to be in june month  - before holiday period 

# 77 there is a big divergence  that is never said  -  there is one person fetishcizing  the  open space, while  others  speak about an actor, this is not a space this is an actor  we are with this divergence 

#78 and it is important for the  precall letter  -   will  we ask them  to  respect the charter of principle - this is  a n important  point  -   which   type of forum do we  want to build  -   there is no problem with the open space   this is a divergence  we   - which will be the condition for them to participate

@34Leo

#79  debt is important  militarization is important too  -   will  contact   peace bureau  and ITUC - we launch a call to movement  to action –

#80  we should divide the task of who contacts who, there are many and we should not contact several of them, it would be double work

#81  There are different political orientations. We are launching a call for movements for a dialogue directed towards action ... in the sense ... in favor of the political subject. Rather, the june meeting aims to build the political subject.

@35Carlos Tiburcio

#82 we need to think about all and give a step each time  - this  meeting  had a -wide participation  - there was work to prepare tit  -  we have the 3 WGIC  working 

#83  about the content of the June meeting   - i understand  that the  charter of principles as it is, is not an obstacle  

#84  understand the francine question  - it is important  - it is necessary to face to debate along the process and not as a prerequisite    because it is not 

#85 we need to dare invite  some organization  that  via campesina   but  we dare more    invite also   articulation  ample and recent  - that ti is important to listen    -   economy de francisca  -     international progressive   -   friday for future  

@36Tord

#85 we started climate movement  1991 left was looking down upon us  -  greta  thunberg would not sign the charter of principles   ---------- the movement ecologist  has  been marginalized  in all history of wsf

 #86 we have not the same history  about  representativeness 

#87 social movement assembly is  a representative  process  common  it is necessary  -

@37Ole

 #88 we do not project discussion about the charter  in a wide space   -  difficult to enter a space -- wibile as what  wsf  is   -   need to know what we are   -  and hear out the invited movements   hear their reflexions  and strategies ---how the space of wsf can  be helpful  for them 

#89  i wonder if we have  resources to facilitate  in a good  way  - this  next  meeting  needs facilitation  -   i appreciate this  current meeting  but if we invite broader set of groups and  we  need a lot smoother facilitation  - it is  very hard to follow  the discussion   -  if the invited movements feel it is chaotic it may even hurt the credibility  of the wsf  -

@38Pierre

 #90 About the Global Subject is somewhat ambiguous. It is a formulation brought by Hector in the Porto Alegre discussion, it is different from the notion of "revitalization of the fsm process" - There is no consensus on what "global subject" is.

#91 for me, they are a network of intertwined Coalitions that are in relation to each other that can be thought of as a global subject, but in the form of a network of a cloud of actors, not a single construction.

#92 Each issue can be worked on in self-organized encounters , with the active presence of IC  organizations

#93 There are people who see a great "Assembly of social movements".inside the wsf space , I do not see a problem with the charter of principles, inasmuch nobody is speaking on behalf of the forum

#94  nothing and no one prevented these assemblies from becoming permanent networks between wsf  forum events,.

#95  If someone has a problem being in the open space of the WSF, it is interesting to know their reasons because they are not restricted by anything, apart from the broad ideological position of the letter of principles, which should be compatible with their own,

/#96  It is important to have an attractive and clear narrative of participation ... A / the global subject is not the forum, the forum remains as a process and space There are people who want to articulate and see the forum as a useful place for it

#97  B / The WSF  methodology can be improved. There is the form of "online encounters" to gradually mature the perspective of articulation on a variety of topics. There is the "initiative" format  to formalize groups that are willing to act together on something -That people understand what they are invited to do

@39Hamouda

#98  we  agree on  27th  we have one month to contact organization and the call

#99  sfor the charter  - in each forum there has been activity on this  - the charter will need renovation   -   50000  participants  accept the charter  without signing it  -    you have all the right to get in the forum

 #100 Tord  say some people will not join  - the first forum was without charter   we need to be together  now 

#101 our work should be made  on the call to movement   -  Questions raised by Gus  - take the time   -  stay together  -  next meeting   we take time to discuss this  -  this is our role be together and progress 

@40Jannet

#101A let us make the list of organization we know  and other ones  - invite to a dialogue   where we listen to what are their feeling about the charter  -

@41Liege

#102  it is not in this meeting that will renew the charter  - internal discussion in the IC 

#103  will broaden call  but to whom     who and with which objectives

#104  if we have an agenda  we can invite  about this agenda   - we need to focus on the current  conjecture    crises   political social health   - this  implies a series of issues

@42Rosa

 #105 how  to have  the debate about the charter of principle inside  IC  -  we cannot invite anyone 

@43Gus

 #106  what we need to do  is an international poll   inviting all movements that  consider themselves  alter-global    -  with  2 questions:   A/  what is your strategy taking into account of the pandemic situation  -  B/   what is the international dimension of this strategy and how to contribute to a global interaction subject,

#107 we will publish by email the answers ---many  alter-global movement  that have been  sometime in the forum   tord has started a list   -

@44Armando

#108 -from various contributions   a  kernel list of important issues -  bring to consideration next saturday  make a list  of invitees  

#109  an open dialogue about strategy as gus put forward   -   how they look at a global subject?  how they see the forum in this?   -  the dynamics of meeting  - listening to these organizations and  their projection in the format of the forum  

#110 we cannot impose an internal IC vision IC Forum  -  in many ways they can criticize the forum  -  and from those critiques    maybe open a revision of the charter further along  - 

#111 broaden the IC  - it is a new step of the forum -    beware not to impose the internal debate of IC  to those external actors    guarantee an open debate --

@45Sheila

# 112 in  this meeting   How the social forum can strengthen common fights. It is an active listening meeting. The charter can avoid political incidents-   quoting the  article 1  -   movements that align  on this view are welcome   - in this meeting  there should not select a theme   but how  wsf can help common struggles  that help  tackle the article  1 of the charter -

#113 the listening will indicate what should be changed in the wsf charter   -  so that it  does not impede to sway politically   -    A meeting of listening  in the perspective of strengthen the forum  will  give way to next IC  meeting  to make the necessary changes  -     invite organization to apply for the IC   -  they frill invited to join the IC  -

@46Rita

 #114  there is a large  movement  ide the included in many movement outside the forum  - movement for the right to communication  that is disappointed about the wsf  -   wf free media  with an agenda  in the forum 

#115   proposal of changes from this movement were approved in 2017 in the IC   -  4 years stalled  with this agenda -  speak with those organizations  

@48Rosa

# 116  IC meeting  6th june    -   bring the list of organizations we want to invite  

#117 armando  actions against pandemics   revise the precall  and adapt  -

#118  the revision  of wsf charter  can be done inside IC and not be  a limitation  --

@49Hector

#119 that the articulation group meeting   - do the work proposed not make it quickly and finalize what we said  and implement-

@50Sheila

#120 for the call consider organizations that have proposals in the covid,  not only those already acting on the covid 

@51Carlos Tiburcio

#121 in the 27th  we will discuss the post pandemic virus-

@52Rita

-#122 those we talk with must necessarily  be  counter  hegemonic  and anti-neoliberal, that acknowledge the damage to the world

@53Hamouda

#123   articulation group meet  finalize the call  -  this week  so that next saturday the document is ready

#124 for the assembly  of social movement  - in Bahia there was not  -  because the discussion  -  we must rethink about assembly of social movement    -   many groups are in  not all,   there should be a work before the forum