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First session

[09:52:00] : in the first session we will talk about the book "INDIABATA BHARAT TARFA BISHWO SAMAJIK MANCH" written by Vijay Pratap

 

@1Mishra is introducing the book

 

@2[09:52:00] Vijay the author of the book says

i am very happy to share the book with Nepali, Indian and other friends Nepali friends will have the copy of the books

i will not like to speak anything of world social forum..i will just talk about the political form of world social form during in India talking to Nepal friends , i get the feeling that this man is talking

Top level people in Nepal don’t share the perspective that we share

It was not by some senior heart of BP Koirala, when first time Deuba was remove by the king...in 2003 during the first meeting of the TJ , it was the Indian initiation, and the second meeting was in my house

I want to honest: i am shocked with the reaction about your thought about the political parties

Talking with Nepali friends, the happiness that Nepalese have in Modi's coming to Nepal...i am worried about it, it is not good for the future of the democracy

Nowadays we are being friends with USA, we all know what the results might be

China, India and USA have being working to save their corporate, not their people and Modi is the king queen of this system; if all of you become Modi follower then wherever you are just going to be: poor people will be poorer, girl trafficking will increase etc

He will not think about your development

India also think that Nepal is not going to develop without aid, but if this happens, then the ecology will be collapsed, tourism will also be gone

If your political leader just supports India and China.., then all this problems will arise. i am not saying this just out of nothing some of the examples has already been seen about these kind of facts

 

@3[10:08:02] : Mishra :

[South Asian consultation

 

@4[10:10:30] : Mohammad :

In 2011 where south Asia was, now is not in the same place, situation is alarming everywhere

There are necessities of social forum movement quite urgently

 

@5[10:24:59] : Mishra :

 I will talk about the preparation of World Social Forum

There was a big team in Lucknow...there were 3-4 meetings, we even opened office

In the initiative of Vijay...the process of world social forum was revived

in this ways, we have always been trying to revive the process of the forum

When we knew SAARC was being held in Nepal, we took an opportunity to explore the process

It has already been said that we have challenges and these challenges are not new now

In world social forum, many people come together... they give their ideologies...and try to run them ahead

Despite few disagreement, we are capable of running big events.... there are representation from many countries

Finally, we will also decide when we will meet in future to expand this process

 

@6[10:31:17] : Uddhab :

i will tell a bit about Nepal updates

After last November’s consultation, there have been organized many other forums in Nepal also

Sometimes i have also tried to go to Dhangadi and other place, and, tried to connect the people in the social forum

i have said them about the forum and tried to broaden it. in may 23 we organised a big event

There were also many big international representation

There it was known that social forum can run in Nepal

What we want is, social forum may create social transformation, strengthen this forum, and we take it forum further, make it more democratic

We also organized a seminar

Nevertheless, we have always got support

Initiative of Social forum to strengthen....this is what we want, and we want it to be in a democratic way

Now, even in Tunisia, social forum has given hope for the democrats

If any group wants to go there and support, we are always ready to support them and mobilize our group

In Kathmandu, there is great politics

 

@7[10:39:28] : Mohammad:

What is missing is the news in Pakistan is restoration of peace, democratisation

In Pakistan there is great public demand for stable government

We are hopeful that we can revive this process in Pakistan also

We will try to convene a social forum in Pakistan...where all of you will be invited

Oppressed and deprived people's south asia is all one

Everywhere we hear about the issues of poverty, democracy etc... through the forum we can look about for all these issues

 

@8[10:43:48] : Mohammad:

In 2002, General Mussafar ...he made a government in our providence

This was the time we thought that progressive people will come together and defuse the situation that extremist will not come and take over us

World social forum, south Asian social forum and Pakistan social forum wil help us for working regarding the issues of democratisation, extremism

 

@9[10:47:22] : Arjun:

One thing is for sure that we have to make alliance in south Asia

If we will not do that...then Modi movement will eat up south Asia

We have a fragile democracy in south Asia

if Nepal will not make constitution in next two years , then there arises a big question mark for Nepal

Now we have a big challenge about how to create a alliance in south Asia

we have to challenge corporate for their corporate exploitation

 

@10[10:51:22] : Ashok;

Whoever is in mainstream, Modi is highly marketable at the moment

Whoever is doing the politics for power, Modi seems to be very good for them

We indulge in WSF so that people get a platform

WSF established that war between people and power is clear

Nepal is the only country where there was no colonial rule, and you have worked greatly against monarchy

Modi had called everyone during his prime ministership, who he used to blame all the time

Modi is clearly saying that he will run corporate

We should be clear about where the politics of south ASIA is going and How corporate politics is coming forward

the political agenda of WSF should identify that whether the south Asia will run in terms of corporate power or the power of people

i want to says that India corporate is threat to South Asia and for Nepal too

WSF is process in itself, WSF should initiate itself towards the going on war between power of corporate and power of people and help all

 

@11[11:07:18] : Nasir:

Now there is growing threat of Indian corporate threat, but that’s a fact: we are staying in corporate society

From our toothpaste to our laptop we are covered with corporate, but the question is how we deal with it

When we discuss on health, education etc , it is the corporate that has been dominating the reflection of people in these types of areas

Also a common ground from South Asian people is food, we suggested all of you to bring the ideologies for the issues of food

in Bangladesh many people sleep with empty stomach

Often it is said that there are stocks of food under the government but this does not mean anything to the people

i suggest people to bring the ideologies about how to deal with different state of food of people in Bangladesh

 

@12[11:15:39] : Ganesh:

What i believe that people who do not have access to water are the oppressed and deprived people

One of the major challenge is how we create employment, second issues: i will like to share is the food

South Asian region is deprived of food because of water; monopolization of water resource is the problem

If you want to be the sovereign country, you have to been the food sovereign country

We cannot have SAARC on the people level, we have to go embassies times and again for visa

We must take the voice for the free movement of the people among all the people of the south Asian countries to eliminate problems in Nepal, scientists also have to work but at the same time the issue of corporatization also has to be looked

 

@13[11:22:27] : Bhola:

Dalit do not have access to forestry

CFUG (community forest user group) people are also here and they also believe this face

We don’t care about what top leader and big NGOs do, we look for local people

We don’t engage much in big politics, our concern is all for community level

we will also support anyone who wants to work for the community level

 

@14[11:26:51] : Sunil:

Since many years, we have been making the community forestry of Nepal

The works were all done by forest workers

These workers were moreover poor people, these poor people were moreover dalit

Now the community forestry of Nepal had been famous all over the world

People believe that the community forest is a model in the world that the ways and the power to conduct community forest is all given to people

But dalits are excluded from utilizing the natural resource, but nowhere this issues is talked upon

Community forest of Nepal is good but it should be analyzed for whom it is actually good and actually a model

 

@15[11:34:11] : Amrish:

Modi has come along with corporatism, so whatever the challenges were there , it have now highly increased

It is a challenge to the whole south Asia

About this, the biggest challenge of loot of resources in seen in Nepal after the emerging of Modi along with corporate houses

 

@16[11:36:53] : Vijay;

i believe if there will be forum in every nation, then we can flow the message to the people

Let’s not discuss where the process revival will happen

First we should understand that process revival should happen

We have to conduct south Asian level workshop, it should at least be 3 days

Only then, let’s talk about when the process revival shall be done

 

@17[11:40:20] : Mishra :

Today we are not talking about where the revival process will be conducted from

Let’s all of us underrated that revival process should be done

 

@18[11:44:11] : Mohammad:

WSF is a part of all our traditional movement

WSF is not in a good position

Why the process of nations like Pakistan, Bangladesh, Bhutan is not working well?

We are lagging the information; we do not know each other

Let there be Nepali social forum in Nepal in 2015, and we will know more

In Pakistan also the same should be done

With thematic event we can start it in Bangladesh also, sooner we can go for thematic social forum, it will go for thematic water social forum

Let South Asia be social forum vibrant to fight the scarcity darkness, let there be one WSF in any one of our country

There is that capability

 

@19[11:50:47] : Ramrud :

This institution is made so that it will work for the right of people who are deprived

Especially it is made for the rights of the community and for the people

I believe what happens in the big meetings eg NGOs, those kind of things should be there in community also...so that all the fact of the big and the community level is known

 

@20[11:53:51] : Ahmed:

The participation should be inclusive

We should create a mechanism to engage everyone in the process

 

@21[11:55:13] : Sabitri:

My concern is women's rights : In each and every forum only male speaks

People often says that women don’t come, they don’t have time, but we have to make sure that they are coming, they will be engaged

If here is a problem of malnutrition, women should know how to make sure that her children is getting proper food not the junk food

In first CA election we were 33% but in the second CA election , we are -3%,this kind of scenario will slow down our representation, but if we get chance , we can also participate actively

India, Pakistan .. these places are not far and expensive, we can visit there

We have to think about how we can increase the participation of women in these kind of activities

 

@22[11:59:57] : Mishra saya

India a forum was established

in this forum , it was inaugurated with all women in it

 

@23[12:02:22] : Sundar:

Regarding participation, we should be more concerned about quality than the number

 

@24[12:03:51] : Dev

There is no strong rules and regulation ….who migrate to Arabian countries in an illegal way

i am sure other countries also have these kind of problem

Let’s all come together and work for these problem

We need to verify why women go overseas even illegally and then work upon it

Nowadays everyone is talking about the climate change and global warming and link all the issues with the things

 

@25[12:09:16] : Dhana:

We have to work harder to bring all the diverse people of south Asian people

SAARC is not working at all.....people are getting more exploited

in such scenario, neither government nor social forum will be able to help

We need more eg: hydropower, but for this i need Modi, not China or anyone else

 

@26[12:12:00] : Mohammad :

The scenario is when a person crosses one road, everything gets changed

You cross one road then one rupee becomes 1.60 rupee

If everyone is same, everyone has same objective

Then why can’t we move nother freely from one place to one country to another

i just want to say wherever these kind of activity will be organized we will always be there

We will always forum like s and the activities they conduct

 

@27[12:18:23] : Kabidra :

We have organized 4 social forums in Nepal: 2 inside Kathmandu and 2 outside the ktm

Whole forum was for increasing the participation of the people in the governance

We found out that the leader who lose the election want to govern the people

In such a scenario nve we cannot expect that there will a good governance from these kind of leader

Social forum like this might be a great platform to force them to work upon their commitment

 

@28[12:21:34] : Indra :

When we talk about social forum, the way the work is good, we go to grassroots level, we go to people, we do not believe that only the expertise know all the thing

The people in the grassroots level are also experienced and they know many things

Participation won’t be just like that: they need chances, once they are engaged and have chances they will start talking by themselves

We believe that we can create a forum in all individual nation, we can take this initiation

i agree with Sabitri that women should also be given greater chances

We should understand the definition of quality

If we give chance then things who we think are not important, they will also bring the quality

 

@29[12:26:49] : Mina:

Unless we do something, there will not be changes, we have to bring the changes in our mindset, then we can bring the changes

 

@30[12:27:41] : Devi :

Now it is very critical to take the forum forward

 

@31[12:31:49] : Gumnam:

We need vivid energy. Whatever hydropower energy for Nepal is been talked with the collaboration of India. the electricity will not go for the citizen of India, it will go for the India.

All the bullshit debates of global warming etc should be stopped

People think that corporate will bring development...they think corporate development is the actual development, but i believe there can be a different kind of development

i suggest all of you to give the ideologies for different types of ideology

 

@[12:34:15] : ......:

 

@32[12:34:38] : Manoj :

WSF is a great achievement

 

@33[12:36:35] : Ahmed :

WSF has helped us keep our hope and expectation alive

We should understand how we can deal with the cultural issues...how can these issues help people to fight against cultural

 

@34[12:39:45] : :

We have on arrival visa for Pakistan

In the name of social mobilization, Nepali forum is always available

Please feel free to invite us and to engage with us

for this we are ready to work for it

 

@35[12:49:39] :

FINALLY at the end of January we will meet for consultation

WORKSHOP WILL BE HELD LATER

TOMORROW WE WILL MEET AT 2 PM AT THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE