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Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona. Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list. This is a prove to see if it functions. Gina
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[?] On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:42 PM, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote: > Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de > esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona. > > Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list. > This is a prove to see if it functions. > > Gina > > > -- > Archive: http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1344786197684 > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to wg-about-future@.... Please contact wg-about-future-manager@... for questions.
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ok, Chico W. rita freire escreveu: > > > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:42 PM, gina vargas <ginvargas@... > <mailto:ginvargas@...>> wrote: > > Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de > > esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona. > > > > Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list. > > This is a prove to see if it functions. > > > > Gina > > > > > > -- > > Archive: > http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1344786197684 > > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to > wg-about-future@... > <mailto:wg-about-future@...>. Please contact > wg-about-future-manager@... > <mailto:wg-about-future-manager@...> for questions. > > > > -- > Archive: http://openfsm.net/[...]/1344831103491 > <http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1344831103491> > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to > wg-about-future@... > <mailto:wg-about-future@...>. Please contact > wg-about-future-manager@... > <mailto:wg-about-future-manager@...> for questions.
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okay. Vinod On 13 August 2012 19:09, Chico - Intercom <intercom@...> wrote: > ** > ok, Chico W. > > > rita freire escreveu: > > [?] > > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:42 PM, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote: > > Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de > > esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona. > > > > Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list. > > This is a prove to see if it functions. > > > > Gina > > > > > > -- > > Archive: > http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1344786197684 > > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to > wg-about-future@.... Please contact > wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. > > > > -- > Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1344831103491<http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1344831103491> > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to > wg-about-future@.... Please contact > wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. > > > > > -- > Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1344865234975<http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1344865234975> > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to > wg-about-future@.... Please contact > wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. >
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ok Besos, kisses to all Jen ________________________________ From: Vinod Raina <vinodraina@...> To: wg-about-future@... Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [WG about future] confirmando que funciona okay. Vinod On 13 August 2012 19:09, Chico - Intercom <intercom@...> wrote: >ok, Chico W. > > >rita freire escreveu: > >> >>On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:42 PM, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote: >>> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de >>> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona. >>> >>> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list. >>> This is a prove to see if it functions. >>> >>> Gina >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Archive: http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1344786197684 >>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to wg-about-future@.... Please contact wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. >> >> >> >> >>-- >>Archive: http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1344831103491 >>To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to wg-about-future@.... Please contact wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. >> > > > >-- >Archive: http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1344865234975 >To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to wg-about-future@.... Please contact wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. > -- Archive: http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1344872324274 To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to wg-about-future@.... Please contact wg-about-future-manager@... for questions.
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OK, works for me. thanks! Micha On 12-08-13 06:08 PM, Jennifer Cox wrote: > ok > Besos, kisses to all > Jen > > *From:* Vinod Raina <vinodraina@...> > *To:* wg-about-future@... > *Sent:* Monday, August 13, 2012 11:38 AM > *Subject:* Re: [WG about future] confirmando que funciona > > okay. > Vinod > > On 13 August 2012 19:09, Chico - Intercom <intercom@... > <mailto:intercom@...>> wrote: > > ok, Chico W. > > > rita freire escreveu: >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:42 PM, gina vargas >> <ginvargas@... <mailto:ginvargas@...>> wrote: >> > Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de >> > esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona. >> > >> > Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list. >> > This is a prove to see if it functions. >> > >> > Gina >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Archive: >> http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1344786197684 >> > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >> wg-about-future@... >> <mailto:wg-about-future@...>. Please contact >> wg-about-future-manager@... >> <mailto:wg-about-future-manager@...> for questions. >> >> >> >> -- >> Archive: >> http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1344831103491 >> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >> wg-about-future@... >> <mailto:wg-about-future@...>. Please contact >> wg-about-future-manager@... >> <mailto:wg-about-future-manager@...> for questions. > > > > -- > Archive: > http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1344865234975 > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to > wg-about-future@... > <mailto:wg-about-future@...>. Please contact > wg-about-future-manager@... > <mailto:wg-about-future-manager@...> for questions. > > > > > -- > Archive: > http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1344872324274 > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to > wg-about-future@.... Please contact > wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. > > > > > -- > Archive: http://openfsm.net/[...]/1344874138238 > <http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1344874138238> > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to > wg-about-future@... > <mailto:wg-about-future@...>. Please contact > wg-about-future-manager@... > <mailto:wg-about-future-manager@...> for questions.
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test On 13 August 2012 19:08, Jennifer Cox <jenkwru@...> wrote: > ok > Besos, kisses to all > Jen > > *From:* Vinod Raina <vinodraina@...> > *To:* wg-about-future@... > *Sent:* Monday, August 13, 2012 11:38 AM > *Subject:* Re: [WG about future] confirmando que funciona > > okay. > Vinod > > On 13 August 2012 19:09, Chico - Intercom <intercom@...>wrote: > > ** > ok, Chico W. > > > rita freire escreveu: > > > > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:42 PM, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote: > > Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de > > esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona. > > > > Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list. > > This is a prove to see if it functions. > > > > Gina > > > > > > -- > > Archive: > http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1344786197684 > > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to > wg-about-future@.... Please contact > wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. > > > > -- > Archive: > http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1344831103491 > > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to > wg-about-future@.... Please contact > wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. > > > > > -- > Archive: > http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1344865234975 > > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to > wg-about-future@.... Please contact > wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. > > > > > -- > Archive: > http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1344872324274 > > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to > wg-about-future@.... Please contact > wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. > > > > > -- > Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1344874138238<http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1344874138238> > > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to > wg-about-future@.... Please contact > wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. > -- Dr. Giuseppe Caruso Post-Doctoral Researcher Erik Castrén Institute of International Law and Human Rights - University of Helsinki PO Box 4 (Yliopistonkatu, 3) 00014 Helsinki - Finland email: giu.caruso@... giuseppe.caruso@... tel. +358 9191 23525 Mobile: +358 (0) 44 2222 848 giuseppecaruso.wordpress.com
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Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo. Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar. Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue working. Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work. the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that know both can check? besos Gina 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...> > Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de > esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona. > > Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list. > This is a prove to see if it functions. > > Gina >
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Muy buena tu propuesta, Gina. Sigamos. Pregunto: no seria bueno que toda esta discusion pueda ser seguida por todo el CI? Esta lista por la cual has mandado este mail es la del openfsm de Pierre? Ella incluye todo el CI? Como un bueno subversivo, por la duda ya la agrego entre los destinatarios la lista del CI (abertura y transparencia)... Abrazos, Chico W. PS. Gina, te escribo desde la casa de mi hija Silvia, que te manda saludos. Very good your proposal, Gina. Let's move on. May I ask: would be not good that this discussion can be followed by the entire IC? Does this list through which you have sent this email is the one from Pierre openfsm? Does it includes all the IC? As a good subversive, in the doubt I have added already in this mail the IC list. Openess and trasparency... All the best, Chico W. gina vargas escreveu: > Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo. > Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar. > > Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue > working. Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work. > > the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have > correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that > know both can check? > > besos > Gina > > 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@... <mailto:ginvargas@...>> > > Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de > esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona. > > Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list. > This is a prove to see if it functions. > > Gina > > > > > -- > Archive: http://openfsm.net/[...]/1345032103842 > <http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345032103842> > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to > wg-about-future@... > <mailto:wg-about-future@...>. Please contact > wg-about-future-manager@... > <mailto:wg-about-future-manager@...> for questions.
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Gina De qual proposta se está falando? É aquele primeiro e-mail que vocês nos enviou coma proposta de grupos? Não sei se o meu nome está na lista. Um abraço Liège Rocha 2012/8/15 Chico - Intercom <intercom@...> > ** > Muy buena tu propuesta, Gina. Sigamos. > Pregunto: no seria bueno que toda esta discusion pueda ser seguida por > todo el CI? Esta lista por la cual has mandado este mail es la del openfsm > de Pierre? Ella incluye todo el CI? Como un bueno subversivo, por la dudaya la agrego entre los destinatarios la lista del CI (abertura y > transparencia)... Abrazos, Chico W. > PS. Gina, te escribo desde la casa de mi hija Silvia, que te manda saludos. > > Very good your proposal, Gina. Let's move on. > May I ask: would be not good that this discussion can be followed by the entire > IC? Does this list through which you have sent this email is the one from > Pierre openfsm? Does it includes all the IC? As a good subversive, in the > doubt I have added already in this mail the IC list. Openess and > trasparency... > All the best, Chico W. > > > > gina vargas escreveu: > > Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo. > Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar. > > Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue > working. Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work. > > the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have > correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that know > both can check? > > besos > Gina > > 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...> > >> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de >> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona. >> >> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list. >> This is a prove to see if it functions. >> >> Gina >> > > > > -- > Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345032103842<http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345032103842> > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to > wg-about-future@.... Please contact > wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wsfic_fsmci mailing list > Wsfic_fsmci@... > http://listas.tiwa.net.br/listinfo/wsfic_fsmci > >
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2012/8/15 Maria Liège Rocha <liegerocha@...> > Gina > De qual proposta se está falando? É aquele primeiro e-mail que vocês nos > enviou coma proposta de grupos? > Não sei se o meu nome está na lista. > Um abraço > Liège Rocha > > 2012/8/15 Chico - Intercom <intercom@...> > >> ** >> Muy buena tu propuesta, Gina. Sigamos. >> Pregunto: no seria bueno que toda esta discusion pueda ser seguida por >> todo el CI? Esta lista por la cual has mandado este mail es la del openfsm >> de Pierre? Ella incluye todo el CI? Como un bueno subversivo, por la dudaya la agrego entre los destinatarios la lista del CI (abertura y >> transparencia)... Abrazos, Chico W. >> PS. Gina, te escribo desde la casa de mi hija Silvia, que te manda >> saludos. >> >> Very good your proposal, Gina. Let's move on. >> May I ask: would be not good that this discussion can be followed by the entire >> IC? Does this list through which you have sent this email is the one from >> Pierre openfsm? Does it includes all the IC? As a good subversive, in the >> doubt I have added already in this mail the IC list. Openess and >> trasparency... >> All the best, Chico W. >> >> >> >> gina vargas escreveu: >> >> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo. >> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar. >> >> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue >> working. Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work. >> >> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have >> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that know >> both can check? >> >> besos >> Gina >> >> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...> >> >>> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de >>> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona. >>> >>> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list. >>> This is a prove to see if it functions. >>> >>> Gina >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345032103842<http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345032103842> >> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >> wg-about-future@.... Please contact >> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wsfic_fsmci mailing list >> Wsfic_fsmci@... >> http://listas.tiwa.net.br/listinfo/wsfic_fsmci >> >> > > > -- > Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345050296348<http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345050296348> > > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to > wg-about-future@.... Please contact > wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. >
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Prezados Penso que, inicialmente, a discussão deve se dar no âmbito do GT, depois de consolidada uma posição no GT, aí sim, devemos circular por todo o CI. Qual então o significado de criarmos um GT no CI para elaborar uma proposta? Um abraço Liège rocha 2012/8/15 Chico - Intercom <intercom@...> > ** > Muy buena tu propuesta, Gina. Sigamos. > Pregunto: no seria bueno que toda esta discusion pueda ser seguida por > todo el CI? Esta lista por la cual has mandado este mail es la del openfsm > de Pierre? Ella incluye todo el CI? Como un bueno subversivo, por la dudaya la agrego entre los destinatarios la lista del CI (abertura y > transparencia)... Abrazos, Chico W. > PS. Gina, te escribo desde la casa de mi hija Silvia, que te manda saludos. > > Very good your proposal, Gina. Let's move on. > May I ask: would be not good that this discussion can be followed by the entire > IC? Does this list through which you have sent this email is the one from > Pierre openfsm? Does it includes all the IC? As a good subversive, in the > doubt I have added already in this mail the IC list. Openess and > trasparency... > All the best, Chico W. > > > > gina vargas escreveu: > > Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo. > Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar. > > Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue > working. Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work. > > the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have > correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that know > both can check? > > besos > Gina > > 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...> > >> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de >> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona. >> >> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list. >> This is a prove to see if it functions. >> >> Gina >> > > > > -- > Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345032103842<http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345032103842> > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to > wg-about-future@.... Please contact > wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wsfic_fsmci mailing list > Wsfic_fsmci@... > http://listas.tiwa.net.br/listinfo/wsfic_fsmci > >
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(Inglès: ver abajo) Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo! Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones que suscita. Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas: - El protocol - El plan de trabajo Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir. El protocol: se trata de establecer las reglas del juego de nuestro grupo? Y el plan de trabajo: las distintas tareas con las responsabilidades? No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos, seria una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar. En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen razon. Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros del CI tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un ejercicio de catarsis, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos? Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario? No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar Esperando las noticias. Francine Thank you very much Gina for all the work done. Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack of reactions I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals: - Protocol - A working plan I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the rules of the game our working-group has to follow and respect? Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with responsibilities? I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have to avoid, I think. Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all messages go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also is a need for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule be a kind of catharsis, though I am not sure they will do this in writing Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with priority? Maybe we should work with a questionnaire? Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help Waiting for more news, Francine Van: gina vargas [ <mailto:ginvargas@...> mailto:ginvargas@...] Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01 Aan: <mailto:wg-about-future@...> wg-about-future@... Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo. Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar. Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue working. Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work. the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that know both can check? besos Gina 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona. Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list. This is a prove to see if it functions. Gina -- Archive: http://openfsm.net/[ <http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/ 08/1345032103842> ]/1345032103842 To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to wg-about-future@.... Please contact wg-about-future-manager@... for questions.
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2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...> > (Inglès: ver abajo)**** > > ** ** > > Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo!**** > > Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones que > suscita.**** > > ** ** > > Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas:**** > > ** ** > > **- **El protocol**** > > **- **El plan de trabajo**** > > Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir. El > protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro grupo?* > *** > > Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las responsabilidades?*** > * > > ** ** > > No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos, seria > una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar.**** > > ** ** > > En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen razon. > Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las > infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros del CI > tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un > ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo … *** > * > > ** ** > > Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que > mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos?**** > > Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario?**** > > ** ** > > No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar …**** > > ** ** > > Esperando las noticias.**** > > ** ** > > Francine**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Thank you very much Gina for all the work done.**** > > Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack of > reactions …**** > > I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals:**** > > **- **Protocol**** > > **- **A working plan**** > > I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the ‘rules > of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect?**** > > Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with > responsibilities?**** > > ** ** > > I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different > sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have to > avoid, I think.**** > > Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are > right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all > messages go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also > is a need for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule > be a kind of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing > …**** > > ** ** > > Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to > send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with priority?* > *** > > Maybe we should work with a questionnaire?**** > > ** ** > > Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help …**** > > ** ** > > Waiting for more news,**** > > ** ** > > Francine**** > > *Van:* gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@... <ginvargas@...>] > *Verzonden:* 15 August 2012 14:01 > *Aan:* wg-about-future@... > *Onderwerp:* [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona**** > > ** ** > > Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo. > Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar. > > Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue > working. Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work. > > the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have > correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that know > both can check? > > besos > Gina**** > > 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...>**** > > Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de > esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona. > > Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list. > This is a prove to see if it functions. > > Gina**** > > ** ** > > > > -- > Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345032103842<http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345032103842> > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to > wg-about-future@.... Please contact > wg-about-future-manager@... for questions.**** > > > > -- > Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345385242518<http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345385242518> > > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to > wg-about-future@.... Please contact > wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. >
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dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please respond as soon as posible amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por favor respondan pronto Gina 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...> > (Inglès: ver abajo)**** > > ** ** > > Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo!**** > > Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones que > suscita.**** > > ** ** > > Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas:**** > > ** ** > > **- **El protocol**** > > **- **El plan de trabajo**** > > Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir. El > protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro grupo?* > *** > > Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las responsabilidades?*** > * > > ** ** > > No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos, seria > una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar.**** > > ** ** > > En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen razon. > Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las > infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros del CI > tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un > ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo … *** > * > > ** ** > > Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que > mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos?**** > > Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario?**** > > ** ** > > No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar …**** > > ** ** > > Esperando las noticias.**** > > ** ** > > Francine**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Thank you very much Gina for all the work done.**** > > Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack of > reactions …**** > > I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals:**** > > **- **Protocol**** > > **- **A working plan**** > > I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the ‘rules > of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect?**** > > Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with > responsibilities?**** > > ** ** > > I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different > sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have to > avoid, I think.**** > > Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are > right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all > messages go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also > is a need for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule > be a kind of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing > …**** > > ** ** > > Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to > send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with priority?* > *** > > Maybe we should work with a questionnaire?**** > > ** ** > > Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help …**** > > ** ** > > Waiting for more news,**** > > ** ** > > Francine**** > > *Van:* gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@... <ginvargas@...>] > *Verzonden:* 15 August 2012 14:01 > *Aan:* wg-about-future@... > *Onderwerp:* [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona**** > > ** ** > > Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo. > Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar. > > Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue > working. Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work. > > the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have > correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that know > both can check? > > besos > Gina**** > > 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...>**** > > Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de > esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona. > > Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list. > This is a prove to see if it functions. > > Gina**** > > ** ** > > > > -- > Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345032103842<http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345032103842> > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to > wg-about-future@.... Please contact > wg-about-future-manager@... for questions.**** > > > > -- > Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345385242518<http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345385242518> > > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to > wg-about-future@.... Please contact > wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. >
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Thank you Gina, for this facilitation. I am reading everything, between some meetings these days. I will send some sugestions/opinion as soon I can. Gracias Gina, por la faciliación. Tengo leído todo, mientras tomo parte de unos encuentros por esta semana. Voy a envyar mis sugestiones/ opiniones muy pronto. On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:41 PM, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote: > dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please respond as soon > as posible > > amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por favor > respondan pronto > > > Gina > > > 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...> >> >> (Inglès: ver abajo) >> >> >> >> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo! >> >> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones que >> suscita. >> >> >> >> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas: >> >> >> >> - El protocol >> >> - El plan de trabajo >> >> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir. El >> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro grupo? >> >> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las responsabilidades? >> >> >> >> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos, seria >> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar. >> >> >> >> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen razon. >> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las >> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros del CI >> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un >> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo … >> >> >> >> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que >> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos? >> >> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario? >> >> >> >> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar … >> >> >> >> Esperando las noticias. >> >> >> >> Francine >> >> >> >> >> >> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done. >> >> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack of >> reactions … >> >> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals: >> >> - Protocol >> >> - A working plan >> >> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the ‘rules >> of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect? >> >> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with >> responsibilities? >> >> >> >> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different >> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have to >> avoid, I think. >> >> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are >> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all messages >> go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also is a need >> for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule be a kind >> of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing … >> >> >> >> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to >> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with priority? >> >> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire? >> >> >> >> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help … >> >> >> >> Waiting for more news, >> >> >> >> Francine >> >> Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...] >> Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01 >> Aan: wg-about-future@... >> Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona >> >> >> >> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo. >> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar. >> >> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue >> working. Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work. >> >> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have >> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that know >> both can check? >> >> besos >> Gina >> >> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...> >> >> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de >> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona. >> >> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list. >> This is a prove to see if it functions. >> >> Gina >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345032103842 >> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >> wg-about-future@.... Please contact >> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. >> >> >> >> -- >> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345385242518 >> >> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >> wg-about-future@.... Please contact >> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. > > > > > -- > Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345495359711 > > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to > wg-about-future@.... Please contact > wg-about-future-manager@... for questions.
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Only in English Perdon a todas pero no puedo traducir al castellano esta vez, estoy agotado con el trabajo gina thank you so much for this, it is a great way to put what has happened so far into a workable agenda. i find the three moments a good way to start working. so let us indeed. i write below few questions and my understanding of what needs to be done in practice to respond to your input: my questions are: 1. it is not clear yet to me who is in this group and the languages spoken: how many are we? how much work can anyone put into this? 2. subgroups are perhaps the only way in which we can carry out the tasks that you highlight gina: single language groups can work fast and effectively and later share material that will be translated 3. on the detailed points you sent us: a. it is possible to compile from your report of the working group in monastir, what are the issues people want this group to address. so we could list them and draft possible approaches to them (of course more can be added by members of this group at any time) b. membership, very basic task: is helio happy to do this as you suggest? is there anyway any of us can help you Helio c. rules! well i perhaps prefer to call them guidelines... Chico's document is dense of the memory of the IC and how protocols of participation and inclusion had been formalised (who sits where, who speaks when etc.). I add that our movements have an extraordinary tradition of democratic meeting and decision-making, their experiences could be gleaned to contribute to how we run our meetings etc. (my general impression is that we have discarded a couple of centuries of experience in that sense... and tried to reinvent the wheel at times...) 4. collecting and discussing the core documents of the process and discuss them (and perhaps formulate one document that is a distilled of those and can work as premise or something to the document we are producing) *In Practice* it seems that these are the things that could be done to respond to your input Gina *a.* collecting membership information (to do what with it? perhaps engage each member at a time, call them ask them why they are or are not participating and what would they like to see changed in the IC? this could be fun indeed), * * *b*. draft guidelines for meetings, decision making, sub-groups etc. (to do this perhaps research decision-making among activist groups across the globe), * * *c*. compile the "culture of the ic" through its main documents (perhaps with in mind to draft a unique document to add to our final piece of work) *d*. list all the things people have listed so far in terms of limitations of the IC organisational architecture and dynamics *e*. imagine a possible architecture for the IC that according to us responds to all the above work I am prepared to put work in these tasks of course... and i may have more time than others (as i am unemployed - i guess you say in between projects nowadays - at the moment) abrazos giuseppe P.S. i am finishing to edit my book on the wsf (long overdue). the manuscript for the editor (INTO publishing) will be ready soon. There are several sections that are relevant to the work of this group... should you be interested in reading it i can send anyone who so wishes a copy. the book will be soon available in a free soft format (free as in free speech and as in free beer) on the publishers website, more on this later... On 21 August 2012 00:24, rita freire <ritafreir@...> wrote: > Thank you Gina, for this facilitation. I am reading everything, > between some meetings these days. I will send some sugestions/opinion > as soon I can. > > Gracias Gina, por la faciliación. Tengo leído todo, mientras tomo > parte de unos encuentros por esta semana. Voy a envyar mis > sugestiones/ opiniones muy pronto. On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:41 PM, > gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote: > > dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please respond as > soon > > as posible > > > > amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por favor > > respondan pronto > > > > > > Gina > > > > > > 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...> > >> > >> (Inglès: ver abajo) > >> > >> > >> > >> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo! > >> > >> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones > que > >> suscita. > >> > >> > >> > >> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas: > >> > >> > >> > >> - El protocol > >> > >> - El plan de trabajo > >> > >> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir. El > >> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro > grupo? > >> > >> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las responsabilidades? > >> > >> > >> > >> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos, seria > >> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar. > >> > >> > >> > >> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen > razon. > >> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las > >> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros > del CI > >> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un > >> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo … > >> > >> > >> > >> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que > >> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos? > >> > >> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario? > >> > >> > >> > >> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar … > >> > >> > >> > >> Esperando las noticias. > >> > >> > >> > >> Francine > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done. > >> > >> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack of > >> reactions … > >> > >> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals: > >> > >> - Protocol > >> > >> - A working plan > >> > >> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the > ‘rules > >> of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect? > >> > >> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with > >> responsibilities? > >> > >> > >> > >> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different > >> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have to > >> avoid, I think. > >> > >> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are > >> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all > messages > >> go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also is a > need > >> for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule be a > kind > >> of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing … > >> > >> > >> > >> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to > >> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with > priority? > >> > >> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire? > >> > >> > >> > >> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help … > >> > >> > >> > >> Waiting for more news, > >> > >> > >> > >> Francine > >> > >> Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...] > >> Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01 > >> Aan: wg-about-future@... > >> Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona > >> > >> > >> > >> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo. > >> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar. > >> > >> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue > >> working. Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work. > >> > >> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have > >> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that > know > >> both can check? > >> > >> besos > >> Gina > >> > >> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...> > >> > >> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de > >> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona. > >> > >> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list. > >> This is a prove to see if it functions. > >> > >> Gina > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345032103842 > >> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to > >> wg-about-future@.... Please contact > >> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345385242518 > >> > >> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to > >> wg-about-future@.... 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Hello everyone EN - As an answer to Giuseppe basic question "who is on the group ?" check this link- if other people want to come either gina helio or me can include them with their email adress http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/membership As Gina said in her facilitating text, am working on /around a review protocol inside IC Hope to release something in the coming days ES respondiendo a Giuseppe sobre "quien esta en el grupo " http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/membership si hay mas personas que quieren participar gina helio y yo podemos incluirlas con su correo electronico Como dice Gina en su texto de facilitacion, estoy "dandole vueltas" a un protocolo de revista en el CI - espero mandar algo en los proximos dias :-) Pierre 2012/8/21 Giuseppe Caruso <giu.caruso@...> > Only in English > > Perdon a todas pero no puedo traducir al castellano esta vez, estoy > agotado con el trabajo > > > gina thank you so much for this, it is a great way to put what has > happened so far into a workable agenda. i find the three moments a good way > to start working. so let us indeed. i write below few questions and my > understanding of what needs to be done in practice to respond to your > input: > > my questions are: > > 1. it is not clear yet to me who is in this group and the languages > spoken: how many are we? how much work can anyone put into this? > > 2. subgroups are perhaps the only way in which we can carry out the tasks > that you highlight gina: single language groups can work fast and > effectively and later share material that will be translated > > 3. on the detailed points you sent us: > > a. it is possible to compile from your report of the working > group in monastir, what are the issues people want this group to address. > so we could list them and draft possible approaches to them (of course more > can be added by members of this group at any time) > > b. membership, very basic task: is helio happy to do this as > you suggest? is there anyway any of us can help you Helio > > c. rules! well i perhaps prefer to call them guidelines... > Chico's document is dense of the memory of the IC and how protocols of > participation and inclusion had been formalised (who sits where, who speaks > when etc.). I add that our movements have an extraordinary tradition of > democratic meeting and decision-making, their experiences could be gleaned > to contribute to how we run our meetings etc. (my general impression is > that we have discarded a couple of centuries of experience in that sense... > and tried to reinvent the wheel at times...) > > 4. collecting and discussing the core documents of the process and discuss > them (and perhaps formulate one document that is a distilled of those and > can work as premise or something to the document we are producing) > > *In Practice* > it seems that these are the things that could be done to respond to your > input Gina > > *a.* collecting membership information (to do what with it? perhaps > engage each member at a time, call them ask them why they are or are not > participating and what would they like to see changed in the IC? this could > be fun indeed), > * > * > *b*. draft guidelines for meetings, decision making, sub-groups etc. (to > do this perhaps research decision-making among activist groups across the > globe), > * > * > *c*. compile the "culture of the ic" through its main documents (perhaps > with in mind to draft a unique document to add to our final piece of work) > > *d*. list all the things people have listed so far in terms of > limitations of the IC organisational architecture and dynamics > > *e*. imagine a possible architecture for the IC that according to us > responds to all the above work > > I am prepared to put work in these tasks of course... and i may have more > time than others (as i am unemployed - i guess you say in between projects > nowadays - at the moment) > > abrazos > giuseppe > > P.S. i am finishing to edit my book on the wsf (long overdue). the > manuscript for the editor (INTO publishing) will be ready soon. There are > several sections that are relevant to the work of this group... should you > be interested in reading it i can send anyone who so wishes a copy. the > book will be soon available in a free soft format (free as in free speech > and as in free beer) on the publishers website, more on this later... > > > > > > On 21 August 2012 00:24, rita freire <ritafreir@...> wrote: > >> Thank you Gina, for this facilitation. I am reading everything, >> between some meetings these days. I will send some sugestions/opinion >> as soon I can. >> >> Gracias Gina, por la faciliación. Tengo leído todo, mientras tomo >> parte de unos encuentros por esta semana. Voy a envyar mis >> sugestiones/ opiniones muy pronto. On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:41 PM, >> gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote: >> > dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please respond as >> soon >> > as posible >> > >> > amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por favor >> > respondan pronto >> > >> > >> > Gina >> > >> > >> > 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...> >> >> >> >> (Inglès: ver abajo) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo! >> >> >> >> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones >> que >> >> suscita. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - El protocol >> >> >> >> - El plan de trabajo >> >> >> >> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir. >> El >> >> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro >> grupo? >> >> >> >> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las responsabilidades? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos, >> seria >> >> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen >> razon. >> >> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las >> >> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros >> del CI >> >> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un >> >> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo … >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que >> >> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos? >> >> >> >> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar … >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Esperando las noticias. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Francine >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done. >> >> >> >> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack >> of >> >> reactions … >> >> >> >> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals: >> >> >> >> - Protocol >> >> >> >> - A working plan >> >> >> >> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the >> ‘rules >> >> of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect? >> >> >> >> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with >> >> responsibilities? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different >> >> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have to >> >> avoid, I think. >> >> >> >> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are >> >> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all >> messages >> >> go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also is a >> need >> >> for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule be a >> kind >> >> of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing … >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to >> >> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with >> priority? >> >> >> >> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help … >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Waiting for more news, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Francine >> >> >> >> Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...] >> >> Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01 >> >> Aan: wg-about-future@... >> >> Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo. >> >> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar. >> >> >> >> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue >> >> working. Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work. >> >> >> >> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have >> >> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that >> know >> >> both can check? >> >> >> >> besos >> >> Gina >> >> >> >> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...> >> >> >> >> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de >> >> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona. >> >> >> >> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list. >> >> This is a prove to see if it functions. >> >> >> >> Gina >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345032103842 >> >> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >> >> wg-about-future@.... Please contact >> >> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345385242518 >> >> >> >> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >> >> wg-about-future@.... Please contact >> >> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345495359711 >> > >> > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >> > wg-about-future@.... Please contact >> > wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. >> >> >> -- >> Archive: >> http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345497908544 >> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >> wg-about-future@.... Please contact >> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. >> > > > > -- > Dr. Giuseppe Caruso > Post-Doctoral Researcher > Erik Castrén Institute of International Law and Human Rights - University > of Helsinki > PO Box 4 (Yliopistonkatu, 3) > 00014 Helsinki - Finland > email: giu.caruso@... > giuseppe.caruso@... > tel. +358 9191 23525 > Mobile: +358 (0) 44 2222 848 > giuseppecaruso.wordpress.com > > > > -- > Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345539901961<http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345539901961> > > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to > wg-about-future@.... Please contact > wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. >
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ENGLISH thank pierre for the clarification but, le me repeat my question a little clearer: the link is a list of email addresses, in some cases there are no other names or there is just the name of an organization also, some time back it's been asked to all in the list to reply to the test message to see if they received the emails, of the almost 40 emails in the list we only received a few responses. what does this mean? are people getting the messages? are people rightly in this list or confusion has happened when signing up? or...? so again, i think that it would be nice if we clarified to each other who is in this group, how much time do we have, what we would like to contribute in terms of the tasks that we discussed (or any tasks we might want to add to the current discussion etc). CASTELLANO pierre gracias por la clarificacion pero, yo repito mi cuestion aclarando un poco mas: la lista del link es una lista de correos, en algunos casos hay nombres en otros no, en alguno el nombre de una organizacion ademas, hace algun tiempo pedimos que tod@s contestaran para ver si recibian los correos, de las casi 40 direcciones de correo solo recibimos unas cuantas respuestas. que quiere decir esto? entonce otra vez, seria bueno si aclarariamos quien esta en este grupo,, cuanto tiempo tiene, y cual serian sus deseos en terminos de la tareas que vamos discutiendo (o de cualquiera tarea les parezca se necesite anadir a la discusion). g On 21 August 2012 15:53, Pierre George <pierregrg@...> wrote: > Hello everyone > > EN - As an answer to Giuseppe basic question "who is on the group ?" > check this link- if other people want to come either gina helio or me > can include them with their email adress > http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/membership > > As Gina said in her facilitating text, am working on /around a review > protocol inside IC > Hope to release something in the coming days > > ES respondiendo a Giuseppe sobre "quien esta en el grupo " > http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/membership > si hay mas personas que quieren participar gina helio y yo podemos > incluirlas con su correo electronico > > Como dice Gina en su texto de facilitacion, estoy "dandole vueltas" a un > protocolo de revista en el CI - espero mandar algo en los proximos dias > > :-) > Pierre > > > 2012/8/21 Giuseppe Caruso <giu.caruso@...> > >> Only in English >> >> Perdon a todas pero no puedo traducir al castellano esta vez, estoy >> agotado con el trabajo >> >> >> gina thank you so much for this, it is a great way to put what has >> happened so far into a workable agenda. i find the three moments a good way >> to start working. so let us indeed. i write below few questions and my >> understanding of what needs to be done in practice to respond to your >> input: >> >> my questions are: >> >> 1. it is not clear yet to me who is in this group and the languages >> spoken: how many are we? how much work can anyone put into this? >> >> 2. subgroups are perhaps the only way in which we can carry out the tasks >> that you highlight gina: single language groups can work fast and >> effectively and later share material that will be translated >> >> 3. on the detailed points you sent us: >> >> a. it is possible to compile from your report of the working >> group in monastir, what are the issues people want this group to address. >> so we could list them and draft possible approaches to them (of course more >> can be added by members of this group at any time) >> >> b. membership, very basic task: is helio happy to do this as >> you suggest? is there anyway any of us can help you Helio >> >> c. rules! well i perhaps prefer to call them guidelines... >> Chico's document is dense of the memory of the IC and how protocols of >> participation and inclusion had been formalised (who sits where, who speaks >> when etc.). I add that our movements have an extraordinary tradition of >> democratic meeting and decision-making, their experiences could be gleaned >> to contribute to how we run our meetings etc. (my general impression is >> that we have discarded a couple of centuries of experience in that sense... >> and tried to reinvent the wheel at times...) >> >> 4. collecting and discussing the core documents of the process and >> discuss them (and perhaps formulate one document that is a distilled of >> those and can work as premise or something to the document we are producing) >> >> *In Practice* >> it seems that these are the things that could be done to respond to your >> input Gina >> >> *a.* collecting membership information (to do what with it? perhaps >> engage each member at a time, call them ask them why they are or are not >> participating and what would they like to see changed in the IC? this could >> be fun indeed), >> * >> * >> *b*. draft guidelines for meetings, decision making, sub-groups etc. (to >> do this perhaps research decision-making among activist groups across the >> globe), >> * >> * >> *c*. compile the "culture of the ic" through its main documents (perhaps >> with in mind to draft a unique document to add to our final piece of work) >> >> *d*. list all the things people have listed so far in terms of >> limitations of the IC organisational architecture and dynamics >> >> *e*. imagine a possible architecture for the IC that according to us >> responds to all the above work >> >> I am prepared to put work in these tasks of course... and i may have more >> time than others (as i am unemployed - i guess you say in between projects >> nowadays - at the moment) >> >> abrazos >> giuseppe >> >> P.S. i am finishing to edit my book on the wsf (long overdue). the >> manuscript for the editor (INTO publishing) will be ready soon. There are >> several sections that are relevant to the work of this group... should you >> be interested in reading it i can send anyone who so wishes a copy. the >> book will be soon available in a free soft format (free as in free speech >> and as in free beer) on the publishers website, more on this later... >> >> >> >> >> >> On 21 August 2012 00:24, rita freire <ritafreir@...> wrote: >> >>> Thank you Gina, for this facilitation. I am reading everything, >>> between some meetings these days. I will send some sugestions/opinion >>> as soon I can. >>> >>> Gracias Gina, por la faciliación. Tengo leído todo, mientras tomo >>> parte de unos encuentros por esta semana. Voy a envyar mis >>> sugestiones/ opiniones muy pronto. On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:41 PM, >>> gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote: >>> > dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please respond >>> as soon >>> > as posible >>> > >>> > amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por >>> favor >>> > respondan pronto >>> > >>> > >>> > Gina >>> > >>> > >>> > 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...> >>> >> >>> >> (Inglès: ver abajo) >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo! >>> >> >>> >> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones >>> que >>> >> suscita. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas: >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> - El protocol >>> >> >>> >> - El plan de trabajo >>> >> >>> >> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir. >>> El >>> >> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro >>> grupo? >>> >> >>> >> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las >>> responsabilidades? >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos, >>> seria >>> >> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen >>> razon. >>> >> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las >>> >> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros >>> del CI >>> >> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un >>> >> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo … >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que >>> >> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos? >>> >> >>> >> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario? >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar … >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Esperando las noticias. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Francine >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done. >>> >> >>> >> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack >>> of >>> >> reactions … >>> >> >>> >> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals: >>> >> >>> >> - Protocol >>> >> >>> >> - A working plan >>> >> >>> >> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the >>> ‘rules >>> >> of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect? >>> >> >>> >> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with >>> >> responsibilities? >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different >>> >> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have >>> to >>> >> avoid, I think. >>> >> >>> >> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are >>> >> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all >>> messages >>> >> go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also is a >>> need >>> >> for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule be >>> a kind >>> >> of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing … >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to >>> >> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with >>> priority? >>> >> >>> >> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire? >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help … >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Waiting for more news, >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Francine >>> >> >>> >> Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...] >>> >> Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01 >>> >> Aan: wg-about-future@... >>> >> Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo. >>> >> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar. >>> >> >>> >> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue >>> >> working. Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work. >>> >> >>> >> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have >>> >> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that >>> know >>> >> both can check? >>> >> >>> >> besos >>> >> Gina >>> >> >>> >> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...> >>> >> >>> >> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de >>> >> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona. >>> >> >>> >> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list. >>> >> This is a prove to see if it functions. >>> >> >>> >> Gina >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345032103842 >>> >> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >>> >> wg-about-future@.... Please contact >>> >> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345385242518 >>> >> >>> >> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >>> >> wg-about-future@.... Please contact >>> >> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345495359711 >>> > >>> > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >>> > wg-about-future@.... Please contact >>> > wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Archive: >>> http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345497908544 >>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >>> wg-about-future@.... Please contact >>> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Giuseppe Caruso >> Post-Doctoral Researcher >> Erik Castrén Institute of International Law and Human Rights - University >> of Helsinki >> PO Box 4 (Yliopistonkatu, 3) >> 00014 Helsinki - Finland >> email: giu.caruso@... >> giuseppe.caruso@... >> tel. +358 9191 23525 >> Mobile: +358 (0) 44 2222 848 >> giuseppecaruso.wordpress.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345539901961<http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345539901961> >> >> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >> wg-about-future@.... Please contact >> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. >> > > > > -- > Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345553606314<http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345553606314> > > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to > wg-about-future@.... 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Meybe it can be useful to send the list with current names to the whole IC list, asking - Thos who are on the list, once again to confirm - A last time who possibly wants to be added, mentioning also that it is in order to really participate in the discussions Francine Van: Giuseppe Caruso [mailto:giu.caruso@...] Verzonden: 21 August 2012 20:36 Aan: wg-about-future@... Onderwerp: Re: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona ENGLISH thank pierre for the clarification but, le me repeat my question a little clearer: the link is a list of email addresses, in some cases there are no other names or there is just the name of an organization also, some time back it's been asked to all in the list to reply to the test message to see if they received the emails, of the almost 40 emails in the list we only received a few responses. what does this mean? are people getting the messages? are people rightly in this list or confusion has happened when signing up? or...? so again, i think that it would be nice if we clarified to each other who is in this group, how much time do we have, what we would like to contribute in terms of the tasks that we discussed (or any tasks we might want to add to the current discussion etc). CASTELLANO pierre gracias por la clarificacion pero, yo repito mi cuestion aclarando un poco mas: la lista del link es una lista de correos, en algunos casos hay nombres en otros no, en alguno el nombre de una organizacion ademas, hace algun tiempo pedimos que tod@s contestaran para ver si recibian los correos, de las casi 40 direcciones de correo solo recibimos unas cuantas respuestas. que quiere decir esto? entonce otra vez, seria bueno si aclarariamos quien esta en este grupo,, cuanto tiempo tiene, y cual serian sus deseos en terminos de la tareas que vamos discutiendo (o de cualquiera tarea les parezca se necesite anadir a la discusion). g On 21 August 2012 15:53, Pierre George <pierregrg@...> wrote: Hello everyone EN - As an answer to Giuseppe basic question "who is on the group ?" check this link- if other people want to come either gina helio or me can include them with their email adress http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/membership As Gina said in her facilitating text, am working on /around a review protocol inside IC Hope to release something in the coming days ES respondiendo a Giuseppe sobre "quien esta en el grupo " http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/membership si hay mas personas que quieren participar gina helio y yo podemos incluirlas con su correo electronico Como dice Gina en su texto de facilitacion, estoy "dandole vueltas" a un protocolo de revista en el CI - espero mandar algo en los proximos dias :-) Pierre 2012/8/21 Giuseppe Caruso <giu.caruso@...> Only in English Perdon a todas pero no puedo traducir al castellano esta vez, estoy agotado con el trabajo gina thank you so much for this, it is a great way to put what has happened so far into a workable agenda. i find the three moments a good way to start working. so let us indeed. i write below few questions and my understanding of what needs to be done in practice to respond to your input: my questions are: 1. it is not clear yet to me who is in this group and the languages spoken: how many are we? how much work can anyone put into this? 2. subgroups are perhaps the only way in which we can carry out the tasks that you highlight gina: single language groups can work fast and effectively and later share material that will be translated 3. on the detailed points you sent us: a. it is possible to compile from your report of the working group in monastir, what are the issues people want this group to address. so we could list them and draft possible approaches to them (of course more can be added by members of this group at any time) b. membership, very basic task: is helio happy to do this as you suggest? is there anyway any of us can help you Helio c. rules! well i perhaps prefer to call them guidelines... Chico's document is dense of the memory of the IC and how protocols of participation and inclusion had been formalised (who sits where, who speaks when etc.). I add that our movements have an extraordinary tradition of democratic meeting and decision-making, their experiences could be gleaned to contribute to how we run our meetings etc. (my general impression is that we have discarded a couple of centuries of experience in that sense... and tried to reinvent the wheel at times...) 4. collecting and discussing the core documents of the process and discuss them (and perhaps formulate one document that is a distilled of those and can work as premise or something to the document we are producing) In Practice it seems that these are the things that could be done to respond to your input Gina a. collecting membership information (to do what with it? perhaps engage each member at a time, call them ask them why they are or are not participating and what would they like to see changed in the IC? this could be fun indeed), b. draft guidelines for meetings, decision making, sub-groups etc. (to do this perhaps research decision-making among activist groups across the globe), c. compile the "culture of the ic" through its main documents (perhaps with in mind to draft a unique document to add to our final piece of work) d. list all the things people have listed so far in terms of limitations of the IC organisational architecture and dynamics e. imagine a possible architecture for the IC that according to us responds to all the above work I am prepared to put work in these tasks of course... and i may have more time than others (as i am unemployed - i guess you say in between projects nowadays - at the moment) abrazos giuseppe P.S. i am finishing to edit my book on the wsf (long overdue). the manuscript for the editor (INTO publishing) will be ready soon. There are several sections that are relevant to the work of this group... should you be interested in reading it i can send anyone who so wishes a copy. the book will be soon available in a free soft format (free as in free speech and as in free beer) on the publishers website, more on this later... On 21 August 2012 00:24, rita freire <ritafreir@...> wrote: Thank you Gina, for this facilitation. I am reading everything, between some meetings these days. I will send some sugestions/opinion as soon I can. Gracias Gina, por la faciliación. Tengo leído todo, mientras tomo parte de unos encuentros por esta semana. Voy a envyar mis sugestiones/ opiniones muy pronto. On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:41 PM, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote: > dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please respond as soon > as posible > > amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por favor > respondan pronto > > > Gina > > > 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...> >> >> (Inglès: ver abajo) >> >> >> >> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo! >> >> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones que >> suscita. >> >> >> >> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas: >> >> >> >> - El protocol >> >> - El plan de trabajo >> >> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir. El >> protocol: se trata de establecer las reglas del juego de nuestro grupo? >> >> Y el plan de trabajo: las distintas tareas con las responsabilidades? >> >> >> >> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos, seria >> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar. >> >> >> >> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen razon. >> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las >> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros del CI >> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un >> ejercicio de catarsis, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo >> >> >> >> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que >> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos? >> >> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario? >> >> >> >> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar >> >> >> >> Esperando las noticias. >> >> >> >> Francine >> >> >> >> >> >> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done. >> >> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack of >> reactions >> >> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals: >> >> - Protocol >> >> - A working plan >> >> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the rules >> of the game our working-group has to follow and respect? >> >> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with >> responsibilities? >> >> >> >> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different >> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have to >> avoid, I think. >> >> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are >> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all messages >> go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also is a need >> for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule be a kind >> of catharsis, though I am not sure they will do this in writing >> >> >> >> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to >> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with priority? >> >> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire? >> >> >> >> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help >> >> >> >> Waiting for more news, >> >> >> >> Francine >> >> Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...] >> Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01 >> Aan: wg-about-future@... >> Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona >> >> >> >> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo. >> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar. >> >> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue >> working. Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work. >> >> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have >> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that know >> both can check? >> >> besos >> Gina >> >> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...> >> >> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de >> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona. >> >> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list. >> This is a prove to see if it functions. >> >> Gina >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[ <http://openfsm.net/%5B> ]/1345032103842 >> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >> wg-about-future@.... Please contact >> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. >> >> >> >> -- >> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[ <http://openfsm.net/%5B> ]/1345385242518 >> >> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >> wg-about-future@.... 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Dear Gina my sincerest apologies for not being present these past days in these discussions, after my last task of sending you my notes. Thank you for taking over & carrying the load. I am sure you, with the rest of the world, witnessed the recent killings of striking mine workers at the Lonmin Mine here in Marikane, it has shocked the world & here in South Africa we are trying to come to grips with the loss of lives and to make sense of this brutality. But for now I will follow the discussions & continue participating actively in the group shortly. In solidarity wilhelmina On 20 August 2012 22:41, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote: > dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please respond as > soon as posible > > amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por favor > respondan pronto > > > Gina > > > 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...> > >> (Inglès: ver abajo)**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo!**** >> >> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones que >> suscita.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas:*** >> * >> >> ** ** >> >> **- **El protocol**** >> >> **- **El plan de trabajo**** >> >> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir. El >> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro grupo? >> **** >> >> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las responsabilidades?** >> ** >> >> ** ** >> >> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos, seria >> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen razon. >> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las >> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros del CI >> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un >> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo … ** >> ** >> >> ** ** >> >> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que >> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos?**** >> >> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar …**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Esperando las noticias.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Francine**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done.**** >> >> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack of >> reactions …**** >> >> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals:**** >> >> **- **Protocol**** >> >> **- **A working plan**** >> >> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the >> ‘rules of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect?**** >> >> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with >> responsibilities?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different >> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have to >> avoid, I think.**** >> >> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are >> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all >> messages go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also >> is a need for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule >> be a kind of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing >> …**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to >> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with priority? >> **** >> >> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help …**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Waiting for more news,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Francine**** >> >> *Van:* gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@... <ginvargas@...>] >> *Verzonden:* 15 August 2012 14:01 >> *Aan:* wg-about-future@... >> *Onderwerp:* [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo. >> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar. >> >> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue >> working. Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work. >> >> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have >> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that know >> both can check? >> >> besos >> Gina**** >> >> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...>**** >> >> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de >> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona. >> >> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list. >> This is a prove to see if it functions. >> >> Gina**** >> >> ** ** >> >> >> >> -- >> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345032103842<http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345032103842> >> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >> wg-about-future@.... 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Wilhelmina, our solidarity with the familie, friends of the mine workers and the people in Marikane. Let us to now how to join you/them to express our protest against this brutality. PORTUGUESE SOON ENGLISH: Gina and compas, I sugest some tasks we need to face those should to be added in the Working plan The first one is to define more clearly the diferentiation of the roles in the process WSF 1) IC body/meetings 2) WSF process itself 3) WSF editions We need to make it clear in order to don't give to the WSF IC meeting the same sense of one small WSF's edition. We should preserve the presential opportunity of the expensive IC meetings to be usefull for the process, (eg, taking the decisions and making the crucial debates that WSF process put on the table of the WSF IC), Some definition should be taken, in my opinion: 1) IC body (as facilitation body, with rules about who and why and for what are in the body), 2) WSF process (all the activities and movement and commitments under the Principles of the WSF. / People should to be actively part of it, before to come to the IC membership), 3) WSF editions (workd, regional, local or thematic events, as moments of meeting, joint, struggles expression, exchange of agenda and to doorway the WSF process, with some clear criteria of metodology and transparence to part of the WSF process). IC POLITICAL TASKS We have also some roles, at this moment under reponsability of IC commissions, those we should to define how to do and to be made better than now (in the new dynamic or protocol) 1) Receive, discuss, formulate and offer strategies (eg where and how strengthen the resistance movement and struggles to transform the world?), 2) Receive and discuss methodological contributions coming from events, meetings, and the process, formulate and provide inputs. Also help the organizing committes to put them into practice 3) To communicate and Mobilize comunication (adopt policies communication compatible with the struggle for this right in the world) 4) Take the sustainability of the IC as collective responsibility, establishing transparent forms of mobilizing and managing resources to support the international process 5) Assure the expansion of the IC as an expression of the map of resistences in the world 6) Make all the process open, visible, interactive with documents and accounts open, clear decision making process, 7) interconnect the work concerning the IC decisions and prepare the meetings of the IC (some tasks that were in the hands of the liason group WSF Office) Regards Rita On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Wilhelmina Trout WMW <wilhelmina@...> wrote: > Dear Gina > my sincerest apologies for not being present these past days in these > discussions, after my last task of sending you my notes. Thank you for > taking over & carrying the load. > > I am sure you, with the rest of the world, witnessed the recent killings of > striking mine workers at the Lonmin Mine here in Marikane, it has shocked > the world & here in South Africa we are trying to come to grips with the > loss of lives and to make sense of this brutality. > > But for now I will follow the discussions & continue participating actively > in the group shortly. > > In solidarity > wilhelmina > > On 20 August 2012 22:41, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote: >> >> dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please respond as >> soon as posible >> >> amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por favor >> respondan pronto >> >> >> Gina >> >> >> 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...> >>> >>> (Inglès: ver abajo) >>> >>> >>> >>> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo! >>> >>> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones que >>> suscita. >>> >>> >>> >>> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas: >>> >>> >>> >>> - El protocol >>> >>> - El plan de trabajo >>> >>> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir. El >>> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro grupo? >>> >>> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las responsabilidades? >>> >>> >>> >>> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos, seria >>> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar. >>> >>> >>> >>> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen razon. >>> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las >>> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros del CI >>> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un >>> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo … >>> >>> >>> >>> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que >>> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos? >>> >>> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario? >>> >>> >>> >>> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar … >>> >>> >>> >>> Esperando las noticias. >>> >>> >>> >>> Francine >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done. >>> >>> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack of >>> reactions … >>> >>> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals: >>> >>> - Protocol >>> >>> - A working plan >>> >>> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the >>> ‘rules of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect? >>> >>> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with >>> responsibilities? >>> >>> >>> >>> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different >>> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have to >>> avoid, I think. >>> >>> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are >>> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all messages >>> go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also is a need >>> for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule be a kind >>> of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing … >>> >>> >>> >>> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to >>> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with priority? >>> >>> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire? >>> >>> >>> >>> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help … >>> >>> >>> >>> Waiting for more news, >>> >>> >>> >>> Francine >>> >>> Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...] >>> Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01 >>> Aan: wg-about-future@... >>> Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona >>> >>> >>> >>> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo. >>> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar. >>> >>> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue >>> working. Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work. >>> >>> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have >>> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that know >>> both can check? >>> >>> besos >>> Gina >>> >>> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...> >>> >>> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de >>> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona. >>> >>> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list. >>> This is a prove to see if it functions. >>> >>> Gina >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345032103842 >>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >>> wg-about-future@.... Please contact >>> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345385242518 >>> >>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >>> wg-about-future@.... Please contact >>> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345495359711 >> >> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >> wg-about-future@.... Please contact >> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. > > > > > -- > Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345560692277 > > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to > wg-about-future@.... Please contact > wg-about-future-manager@... for questions.
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(Na mensagem em inglês, primeiro, manifestei solidariedade no caso dos mineiros assassinados em Marikane, sobre os quais Wilhelmina falou em sua mensagem. A brutalidade chocou a Africa do Sul e o mundo. Perguntei como podemos nos somar às manifestações de protesto) ENGLISH IN THE LAST MESSAGE PORTUGUES: Gina e compas, sugiro algumas tarefas que precisamos enfrentar, e que deveriam ser adicionadas ao plano de trabalho Primeiro é preciso definir mais claramente a diferenciação de papéis no processo FSM 1) O CI e seus encontros 2) O processo FSM propriamente dito 3) As edições do FSM Precisamos deixar claro, a fim de não dar 'a reunião do CI do FSM o mesmo sentido de uma edição reduzida do FSM. Devemos preservar a oportunidade presencial das reuniões caros IC para que sejam uteis ao o processo (por exemplo, tomando as decisões e fazendo os debates cruciais que o processo do FSM coloca na mesa do CI), Alguma definições devem ser tomadas, na minha opinião: 1) O IC (corpo da facilitação, com regras sobre quem e por que e para o que é parte dele), 2) O processo FSM (todas as atividades e movimentos e compromissos no âmbito Princípios do FSM. / As pessoas/organizações devem participar ativamente do processo antes de vir para a adesão IC), 3) As edições do FSM (eventos mundiais, regionais, locais ou temáticas, como momentos de encontro, soma, expressão de lutas e intercampio de agendas, e porta de entrada ao processo do FSM, com alguns de critérios claros de metodologia e transparência para ser considerado parte do processo do FSM). Tarefos políticas do CI Temos também alguns papéis, neste momento sob responsilidade do CI + comissões, e sobre os quais devemos definir como fazer e e tornar melhor do que agora (na nova dinâmica ou protocolo) 1) Receber, discutir, formular e oferecer estratégias (por exemplo, onde e como fortalecer o movimento de resistência e luta para transformar o mundo?), 2) Receber e discutir as contribuições metodológicas provenientes de eventos, reuniões, e no processo, formular e fornecer insumos. Também ajudar os comitês organizadores de colocá-los em prática 3) Comunicar e mobilizar a comunicação (adotar políticas comunicação compatíveis com a luta por este direito no mundo) 4) Tomar a sustentabilidade do IC como responsabilidade coletiva, estabelecer formas transparentes de mobilização e gestão de recursos para apoiar o processo internacional 5) Assegurar a expansão da IC como uma expressão do mapa de resistências no mundo 6) Fazer todo o processo aberto, visível e interativo, com os documentos e contas abertas e processos claros de decisões 7) interligar o trabalho concernente às decisões tomadas pelo CI e preparar o reuniões do CI (algumas tarefas que estavam nas mãos do Grupo de Enlace e do grupo Escritório FSM) Atenciosamente On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 1:03 PM, rita freire <ritafreir@...> wrote: > Wilhelmina, our solidarity with the familie, friends of the mine > workers and the people in Marikane. Let us to now how to join you/them > to express our protest against this brutality. > > PORTUGUESE SOON > > ENGLISH: > > Gina and compas, I sugest some tasks we need to face those should to > be added in the Working plan > > The first one is to define more clearly the diferentiation of the > roles in the process WSF > > 1) IC body/meetings > 2) WSF process itself > 3) WSF editions > > We need to make it clear in order to don't give to the WSF IC meeting > the same sense of one small WSF's edition. We should preserve the > presential opportunity of the expensive IC meetings to be usefull for > the process, (eg, taking the decisions and making the crucial debates > that WSF process put on the table of the WSF IC), > > Some definition should be taken, in my opinion: > > 1) IC body (as facilitation body, with rules about who and why and > for what are in the body), > > 2) WSF process (all the activities and movement and commitments under > the Principles of the WSF. / People should to be actively part of it, > before to come to the IC membership), > > 3) WSF editions (workd, regional, local or thematic events, as moments > of meeting, joint, struggles expression, exchange of agenda and to > doorway the WSF process, with some clear criteria of metodology and > transparence to part of the WSF process). > > IC POLITICAL TASKS > > We have also some roles, at this moment under reponsability of IC > commissions, those we should to define how to do and to be made better > than now (in the new dynamic or protocol) > > 1) Receive, discuss, formulate and offer strategies (eg where and how > strengthen the resistance movement and struggles to transform the > world?), > > 2) Receive and discuss methodological contributions coming from > events, meetings, and the process, formulate and provide inputs. Also > help the organizing committes to put them into practice > > 3) To communicate and Mobilize comunication (adopt policies > communication compatible with the struggle for this right in the > world) > > 4) Take the sustainability of the IC as collective responsibility, > establishing transparent forms of mobilizing and managing resources to > support the international process > > 5) Assure the expansion of the IC as an expression of the map of > resistences in the world > > 6) Make all the process open, visible, interactive with documents and > accounts open, clear decision making process, > > 7) interconnect the work concerning the IC decisions and prepare the > meetings of the IC (some tasks that were in the hands of the liason > group WSF Office) > > Regards > Rita > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Wilhelmina Trout WMW > <wilhelmina@...> wrote: >> Dear Gina >> my sincerest apologies for not being present these past days in these >> discussions, after my last task of sending you my notes. Thank you for >> taking over & carrying the load. >> >> I am sure you, with the rest of the world, witnessed the recent killings of >> striking mine workers at the Lonmin Mine here in Marikane, it has shocked >> the world & here in South Africa we are trying to come to grips with the >> loss of lives and to make sense of this brutality. >> >> But for now I will follow the discussions & continue participating actively >> in the group shortly. >> >> In solidarity >> wilhelmina >> >> On 20 August 2012 22:41, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote: >>> >>> dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please respond as >>> soon as posible >>> >>> amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por favor >>> respondan pronto >>> >>> >>> Gina >>> >>> >>> 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...> >>>> >>>> (Inglès: ver abajo) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo! >>>> >>>> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones que >>>> suscita. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - El protocol >>>> >>>> - El plan de trabajo >>>> >>>> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir. El >>>> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro grupo? >>>> >>>> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las responsabilidades? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos, seria >>>> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen razon. >>>> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las >>>> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros del CI >>>> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un >>>> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo … >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que >>>> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos? >>>> >>>> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar … >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Esperando las noticias. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Francine >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done. >>>> >>>> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack of >>>> reactions … >>>> >>>> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals: >>>> >>>> - Protocol >>>> >>>> - A working plan >>>> >>>> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the >>>> ‘rules of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect? >>>> >>>> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with >>>> responsibilities? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different >>>> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have to >>>> avoid, I think. >>>> >>>> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are >>>> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all messages >>>> go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also is a need >>>> for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule be a kind >>>> of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing … >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to >>>> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with priority? >>>> >>>> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help … >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Waiting for more news, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Francine >>>> >>>> Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...] >>>> Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01 >>>> Aan: wg-about-future@... >>>> Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo. >>>> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar. >>>> >>>> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue >>>> working. Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work. >>>> >>>> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have >>>> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that know >>>> both can check? >>>> >>>> besos >>>> Gina >>>> >>>> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...> >>>> >>>> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de >>>> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona. >>>> >>>> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list. >>>> This is a prove to see if it functions. >>>> >>>> Gina >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345032103842 >>>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >>>> wg-about-future@.... Please contact >>>> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345385242518 >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >>>> wg-about-future@.... 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Wilhelmina, Condolences on the heartless killings of miners leaving behind widows without means for their livelihoods! FUTURE OF WSF/IC: Thanks Gina for summary of Monastir Working Group & discussion summary. Below is my contribution on both summaries: 1) STUCTURE: IC must be a horizontal collective of activists to facilitate bi-annual WSF editions (ie selecting forum themes & issues & constituting working groups as need be); 2) MEMBERSHIP: All attendants @ each six-monthly IC meetings shall be considered as members for that particular meeting to participate on equal footing with previous participants; 3) AGENDA: Draft must be shared beforehand & adjusted accordingly & adhered to in the IC meeting; 4) IC/CHAIR: Co-Chairs & Co-Rapporteurs of IC sessions should be on regional rotation basis & responsible for summary reports @ final plenary session & sharing final reports online; 5) SPEAKERS: Speaking time should be ten minutes maximum per speaker & no repetition (withdraw microphone if exceeds) regardless of speaker in order to have more speakers, save time & adhere to the Agenda; 6) BACKGROUND: Previous IC attendants shall provide background/historical memory for continuity & cohesion in transparent manner in the main meetings & working groups; 7) DOCUMENTS: Summary minutes & reports from previous working groups must be shared together with the Agenda (prior to the IC meeting dates) in English & author's language at least. 8) GUIDING Principles: These are principles but not rules. These include: WSF Charter & policies adopted by IC for its operational purpose, working groups & global regional social forum chapters. 9) THIS WORKING GROUP: 9a) I agree with Gina that the core-members are those persons that attended the Monastir working group BUT open to interested individuals NOT entire membership; 9b) Gina must continue to make periodic summaries of points made; 9c) A deadline is needed to bring to an end the debate, followed by an analysis of the inputs & share with this membership for comments & revise accordingly as a zero draft report; 9d) Submit the zero draft report to IC members online for their comments BUT present final report & priory comments received @ IC meeting for decision on proposals therein. Warm regards Sara Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone provided by Airtel Zambia. -----Original Message----- From: Wilhelmina Trout WMW <wilhelmina@...> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 16:51:26 To: <wg-about-future@...> Reply-To: wg-about-future@... Subject: Re: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona Dear Gina my sincerest apologies for not being present these past days in these discussions, after my last task of sending you my notes. Thank you for taking over & carrying the load. I am sure you, with the rest of the world, witnessed the recent killings of striking mine workers at the Lonmin Mine here in Marikane, it has shocked the world & here in South Africa we are trying to come to grips with the loss of lives and to make sense of this brutality. But for now I will follow the discussions & continue participating actively in the group shortly. In solidarity wilhelmina On 20 August 2012 22:41, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote: > dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please respond as > soon as posible > > amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por favor > respondan pronto > > > Gina > > > 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...> > >> (Inglès: ver abajo)**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo!**** >> >> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones que >> suscita.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas:*** >> * >> >> ** ** >> >> **- **El protocol**** >> >> **- **El plan de trabajo**** >> >> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir. El >> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro grupo? >> **** >> >> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las responsabilidades?** >> ** >> >> ** ** >> >> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos, seria >> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen razon. >> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las >> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros del CI >> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un >> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo … ** >> ** >> >> ** ** >> >> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que >> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos?**** >> >> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar …**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Esperando las noticias.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Francine**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done.**** >> >> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack of >> reactions …**** >> >> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals:**** >> >> **- **Protocol**** >> >> **- **A working plan**** >> >> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the >> ‘rules of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect?**** >> >> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with >> responsibilities?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different >> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have to >> avoid, I think.**** >> >> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are >> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all >> messages go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also >> is a need for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule >> be a kind of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing >> …**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to >> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with priority? >> **** >> >> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help …**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Waiting for more news,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Francine**** >> >> *Van:* gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@... <ginvargas@...>] >> *Verzonden:* 15 August 2012 14:01 >> *Aan:* wg-about-future@... >> *Onderwerp:* [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo. >> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar. >> >> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue >> working. Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work. >> >> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have >> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that know >> both can check? >> >> besos >> Gina**** >> >> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...>**** >> >> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de >> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona. >> >> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list. >> This is a prove to see if it functions. >> >> Gina**** >> >> ** ** >> >> >> >> -- >> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345032103842<http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345032103842> >> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >> wg-about-future@.... Please contact >> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions.**** >> >> >> >> -- >> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345385242518<http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345385242518> >> >> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >> wg-about-future@.... Please contact >> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. >> > > > > -- > Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345495359711<http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345495359711> > > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to > wg-about-future@.... Please contact > wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. > -- Archive: http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345560692277 To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to wg-about-future@.... Please contact wg-about-future-manager@... for questions.
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Dear Wilhermina, yes, we all know about the killings! it is really shocking. Mantain us informed. besos Gina 2012/8/21 Wilhelmina Trout WMW <wilhelmina@...> > Dear Gina > my sincerest apologies for not being present these past days in these > discussions, after my last task of sending you my notes. Thank you for > taking over & carrying the load. > > I am sure you, with the rest of the world, witnessed the recent killings > of striking mine workers at the Lonmin Mine here in Marikane, it has > shocked the world & here in South Africa we are trying to come to grips > with the loss of lives and to make sense of this brutality. > > But for now I will follow the discussions & continue participating > actively in the group shortly. > > In solidarity > wilhelmina > > On 20 August 2012 22:41, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote: > >> dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please respond as >> soon as posible >> >> amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por favor >> respondan pronto >> >> >> Gina >> >> >> 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...> >> >>> (Inglès: ver abajo)**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo!**** >>> >>> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones >>> que suscita.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas:** >>> ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> **- **El protocol**** >>> >>> **- **El plan de trabajo**** >>> >>> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir. El >>> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro grupo? >>> **** >>> >>> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las responsabilidades?* >>> *** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos, seria >>> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen >>> razon. Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las >>> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros del CI >>> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un >>> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo … * >>> *** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que >>> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos?**** >>> >>> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario?**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar …**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Esperando las noticias.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Francine**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done.**** >>> >>> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack of >>> reactions …**** >>> >>> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals:**** >>> >>> **- **Protocol**** >>> >>> **- **A working plan**** >>> >>> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the >>> ‘rules of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect?**** >>> >>> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with >>> responsibilities?**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different >>> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have to >>> avoid, I think.**** >>> >>> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are >>> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all >>> messages go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also >>> is a need for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule >>> be a kind of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing >>> …**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to >>> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with priority? >>> **** >>> >>> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire?**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help …**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Waiting for more news,**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Francine**** >>> >>> *Van:* gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@... <ginvargas@...>] >>> *Verzonden:* 15 August 2012 14:01 >>> *Aan:* wg-about-future@... >>> *Onderwerp:* [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo. >>> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar. >>> >>> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue >>> working. Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work. >>> >>> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have >>> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that know >>> both can check? >>> >>> besos >>> Gina**** >>> >>> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...>**** >>> >>> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de >>> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona. >>> >>> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list. >>> This is a prove to see if it functions. >>> >>> Gina**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345032103842<http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345032103842> >>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >>> wg-about-future@.... Please contact >>> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions.**** >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345385242518<http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345385242518> >>> >>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >>> wg-about-future@.... Please contact >>> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345495359711<http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345495359711> >> >> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >> wg-about-future@.... Please contact >> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. >> > > > > -- > Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345560692277<http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345560692277> > > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to > wg-about-future@.... Please contact > wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. >
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Dear Wilhermina we are with you in solidarity and with all the workers of striking mine we are sure that social justice will be on the road of this fundamental struggle In solidarity gustave massiah representative of CRID at the IC of WSF Le 21/08/2012 16:51, Wilhelmina Trout WMW a écrit : > Dear Gina > my sincerest apologies for not being present these past days in these > discussions, after my last task of sending you my notes. Thank you > for taking over & carrying the load. > I am sure you, with the rest of the world, witnessed the recent > killings of striking mine workers at the Lonmin Mine here in Marikane, > it has shocked the world & here in South Africa we are trying to come > to grips with the loss of lives and to make sense of this brutality. > But for now I will follow the discussions & continue participating > actively in the group shortly. > In solidarity > wilhelmina > > On 20 August 2012 22:41, gina vargas <ginvargas@... > <mailto:ginvargas@...>> wrote: > > dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please > respond as soon as posible > > amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por > favor respondan pronto > > > Gina > > > 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@... > <mailto:mestrum@...>> > > (Inglès: ver abajo) > > Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo! > > Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas > reacciones que suscita. > > Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos > propuestas: > > -El protocol > > -El plan de trabajo > > Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere > decir. El protocol: se trata de establecer las 'reglas del > juego' de nuestro grupo? > > Y el 'plan de trabajo': las distintas tareas con las > responsabilidades? > > No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos > grupos, seria una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que > evitar. > > En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege > tienen razon. Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si > mandamos todas las infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro > lado, pienso que los miembros del CI tienen una > necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un > ejercicio de 'catarsis', pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso > lo dudo ... > > Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo > tendrian que mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que > ser discutidos? > > Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario? > > No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar ... > > Esperando las noticias. > > Francine > > Thank you very much Gina for all the work done. > > Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about > the lack of reactions ... > > I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two > proposals: > > -Protocol > > -A working plan > > I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think > of the 'rules of the game' our working-group has to follow and > respect? > > Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with > responsibilities? > > I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in > different sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, > something we have to avoid, I think. > > Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and > Liege are right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a > working group if all messages go to the whole of the IC. On > the other hand, I think there also is a need for all members > of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule be a kind of > 'catharsis', though I am not sure they will do this in writing ... > > Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the > working-group to send a list of points they think will have to > be discussed with priority? > > Maybe we should work with a questionnaire? > > Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help ... > > Waiting for more news, > > Francine > > *Van:*gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...] > *Verzonden:* 15 August 2012 14:01 > *Aan:* wg-about-future@... > <mailto:wg-about-future@...> > *Onderwerp:* [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona > > Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro > trabajo. Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar. > > Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can > continue working. Waiting for your comments and propsals to > began to work. > > the traslation to english have been done in google; although I > have correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some > of you that know both can check? > > besos > Gina > > 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@... > <mailto:ginvargas@...>> > > Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de > esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona. > > Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this > list. > This is a prove to see if it functions. > > Gina > > > > -- > Archive: http://openfsm.net/[...]/1345032103842 > <http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345032103842> > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to > wg-about-future@... > <mailto:wg-about-future@...>. 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Agree Also the list of the IC members/organizations in this group, If it can help, bellow you find the list of members of the IC Rita 50 Years is Enough! 50years@... www.50years.org Associação Brasileira de ONGs (ABONG) abong@... www.abong.org.br Action Aid International (AAI) mail.jhb@... www.actionaid.org Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU) mailbox@... www.actu.asn.au American Federation of Labor-Congress of Industrial Organizations (AFL-CIO) feedback@... www.aflcio.org/home.htm Africa Trade Network aidc@... http://africatradenetwork.com Alternative Information on Development Center (AIDC) aidc@... http://aidc.org.za Agencia Latinoamericana de Información (AIDC) info@... www.alainet.org Associação Latino Americana de Pequenos e Médios Empresários (ALAMPYME) apyme@... www.apyme.com.ar Aliança Por Um Mundo Responsável e Solidário lille@... www.alliance21.org All Arab Peasants & Agricultural Co-operatives Union F76arab@... Associação Latino Americana de Organismos de Promoção (ALOP) info@... www.alop.or.cr Alternatives Information Center yahni@... www.alternativenews.org Alternatives alternatives@...< /a> www.alternatives.ca Alternative International www.alternatives.ca Alternatives Rússia dhrr@... Amigos da Terra/Friends of the Earth foe@... www.foei.org APRODEV aprodev@... www.aprodev.net Arab NGO Network for Development annd@... www.annd.org Asian Regional Exchange for New Alternatives (ARENA) arena@... www.asianexchange.org Articulación Feminista Marco Sur mujeresdelsur@... www.mujeresdelsur.org.uy Aliança Social Continental (ASC) sri_cut@... www.ascahsa.org Asemblea de los Pueblos del Caribe (APC) habitatcarib@..., pedroarg@... http://movimientos.org/caribe/ Assemblée Europeenne dês Citoyens cedetim@... www.cedetim.org/AEC Assembléia das Nações Unidas dos Povos flavio@... Associação para o Progresso das Comunicações anriette@... www.apc.org ATTAC- Brasil attacsaopaulo@... www.attac.org/brasil ATTAC France attac@... http://attac.org Babels wsfsm@... Bankwatch Network jozseff@... www.bankwatch.org Comité pour l’Annulation de la Dette du Tiers Monde (CADTM) cadtm@... http://users.skynet.be/cadtm Canadian Council Jdunn@... Coordinación Andina de Organizaciones Indigenas (CAOI) coordinadorandinacaoi@... www.minkandina.org Caritas Internacionalis caritas.internationalis@... www.caritas.org Comissão Brasileira de Justiça e Paz (CBJP ) intercom@... www.cbjp.org.br Consejo de Educación de Adultos de América Latina (CEAAL) ceaal@... www.ceaal.org CEDAR Internacional cedar@... www.cedarinternational.net Centre dEtudes et d Initiatives de Solidarité Internationale (CEDETIM) cedetim@... www.cedetim.org Central de Trabajadores Argentinos cta@... www.cta.org.ar European Trade Union Confederation (CES) etuc@... www.etuc.org CETRI cetri@... www.cetri.be CIDSE postmaster@... www.cidse.org Confederação Internacional de Organizações Sindicais Livres (CIOSL) internetpo@... www.cioslorit.org Ciranda Internacional da Comunicação Compatilhada ciranda@... www.ciranda.net CIVES cives@... www.cives.org.br Conselho Latino Americano de Ciências Sociais (CLACSO) clacsofsm@... www.clacso.org Canadian Labour Congress (CLC) sbenedict@... www.clc-ctc.ca Confederação Mundial do Trabalho (CMT) info@... www.cmt-wcl.org Coalición Internacional para el Hábitat hic-al@... http://www.hic-net.org/ Coligação para a Justiça Econômica viriatot@... Convergência de los Movimientos de los Pueblos de las Américas (COMPA) colectivoredom_@... rgf@... http://www.sitiocompa.org/compa/index.php CONAIE info@... http://conaie.org Congresso Nacional Indígena do México ceatl@... Conselho Mundial de Igrejas info@... www.wcc-coe.org Coordenación del Foro “El Otro Davos” Page2@... Coordenadora de Centrais Sindicais do Cone Sul eduardof@... http://www.sindicatomercosul.com.br/ Corpwatch corpwatch@... www.corpwatch.org Congress of South African Trade Unions (COSATU) cosatu@... www.cosatu.org.za Centre de Recherche et d´Information pour le Développment (CRID) info@... www.crid.asso.fr Confederación Sindical Internacional (CSI) claire.courteille@... http://www.ituc-csi.org Central Única dos Trabalhadores (CUT) sri-cut@... www.cut.org.br E-joussour www.e-joussour.net Encuentros Hemisféricos contra el ALCA joel@... ENDA taoufik@... www.enda.sn Euralat Criera@... Euromarches euromarches@... www.euromarches.org FAMES rabia@... Frente Continental de Organizações Comunitárias (FECOC) mlongoria@... Federación Mundial de Juventudes Democráticas wfdy@... www.wfdy.org Féderation démocratique internationale des femmes (FDIF) fdif@... www.fdif.eu.org Fundación per la Pau/International Peace Bureau (IPB) mailbox@... www.ipb.org Food First International Action Network (FIAN) fian@... www.fian.org Federeação Internacional Direitos Humanos (FIDH) rsanchez@... www.fidh.org Freedom Legality And Rights in Europe (FLARE) info@... www.flarenetwork.org Focus on the Global South admin@... http://focusweb.org Fondation Frantz Fanon http://frantzfanonfoundation-fondationfrantzfanon.com/ Forum des Organisations de Solidarité Internationale issues des Migrations (FORIM) forim@... forim@... Fórum Dakar Residel.kaolack@... Forum Mondial des Alternatives ftm@... www.alternatives-action.org/fma Forum of the Poors fopthai@... Fórum Social Italiano vagnoleto@... Foundation for Socio-Economic Justice (FSEJ) fsej@... General Union of Oil Employees in Southern Iraq Contact: Farouk M. Sadiq Ismaa'l 101small@... GLBT South-South Dialogue dialogo@... Global Commons Foundation www.www.globalcommonsfoundation.org Global Exchange admin@... www.globalexchange.org Global Policy Network gpn-listowner@... www.globalpolicynetwork.org Global Progressive Fórum info@... www.globalprogressiveforum.org Grassroots Global Justice ggj@... www.ggjalliance.org Greenpeace greenpeace.brazil@... http://www.greenpeace.org/ Grito dos Excluídos gritoexcluidos@... www.movimientos.org Grupo de Trabalho Amazônico www. gta.org.br Habitat Internation Coalition maite.martinez-pardo@... www.habitat-international-coalition.org Helsinki Citizens Assembly Herriak Aske international@... Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy (IATP) khoff@... www.iatp.org IBASE ibase@... www.ibase.br Conselho Internacional de Educação de Adultos (ICAE) icae@... http://www.icae.org.uy/spa/sindex.html International Federationof Alternative Trade (IFAT) info@... www.ifat.org International Forum on Globalization (IFG) ifg@... www.ifg.org International Alliance of Habitants info@... www.habitants.org International drama and education association (IDEA) www.idea-org.net International Gender and Trade Network secretariat@... www.igtn.org International Network of Street Papers (INSP) l.maclean@... irn@... www.irn.org International Sport and Culture Association (ISCA) info@... www.isca-web.org Instituto Paulo Freire ipf@... www.paulofreire.org Institut Panos Afrique de l’Ouest (IPAO) info@... www.panos-ao.org Inter Press Service (IPS) kosi@... www.ips.org Union of Arab Community Based Organisations(Ittijah) ittijah@... www.ittijah.org Jubilee South – Asia vinod.raina@... www.jubileesouth.org Jubileo South – África aidc@... www.jubileesouth.org Jubileu 2000 kitazawa@... Jubileu Sul América Latina keeneba@... www.jubileusul.hpg.com.br KCTU - Korean Confederation of Trade Unions inter@... www.kctu.org Kenya Debt Network sodnet@... KOPA kopa@... http://antiwto.jinbo.net/eroom/index.html Kurdish Network kurdishnetwork@... Land Research Action Network wellington@... May First/People Link info@... www.mayfirst.org Movimento dos Trabalhadores Sem Terra (MST) srimst@... www.mst.org.br Narmada subbu@... www.narmada.org National Network of Autonomous Women’s Groups shahnandita@... Network Institute for Global Democratization (NIGD) katarina@... www.nigd.org No Vox International no-vox@... www.no-vox.org North-South Centre Fifi.BENABOUD@... www.coe.int/T/E/North-South_Centre Continental Organization of Latin America and Caribbean Students (OCLAE) oclae@... www.oclae.org Organization of African Trade Unions Unity oatuu@... Organização Regional Interamericana de Trabalhadores (ORIT) info@... www.orit-ciosl.org Organization de la Jeunesse Africaine http://www.ojafrique.org/ OXFAM Internacional information@... www.oxfam.org Palestinian grassroots Anti-Apartheid Wall Campaign mobilize@... www.stopthewall.org Peace Boat y-nami@... www.peaceboat.org Peoples Health Movement secretariat@... http://www.phmovement.org Plataforma Interamericana de Derechos Humanos, Democracia y Desarrollo regional@... www.pidhdd.org PPEHRC – Poor People’s Economic Human Rights Campaign kwru@... www.economichumanrights.org www.kwru.org Projeto K Salvatore.cannavo@... ilpanelerose@... Public Citizen tgerson@... www.citizen.org Red Latinoamericana Mulheres Transformando a Economia mleon@... remte@... http://movimientos.org/remte Rede APM – Agricultures paysannes, sociétés et mondialisation pvuarin@... www.zooide.com/apm Rede CONSEU (Conferencia de Naciones sin Estado de Europa) activitats@... Rede Dawn de Mulheres dawn@... www.dawn.org.fj Rede de Solidariedade Ásia Pacífico intl@... Rede Latino-Americana e Caribenha de Mulheres Negras criola@... www.criola.ong.org Rede Mulher e Habitat gem@... http://www.redmujer.org.ar Rede Mundial de Mulheres pelos Direitos Reprodutivos office@... www.wgnrr.org Rede Palestina de ONGs bisanrd@... www.pngo.net Rede Social de Justiça e Direitos Humanos rede@... www.social.org.br Rede Transforme! elgauthi@... Redes Socioeconomia Solidaria creintjes@... www.reasnet.com Rede de Educação Popular entre Mulheres (REPEM) repem@... www.repem.org.uy Réseau Ouest Africain des Alternatives pour le Developpement (ROAD) jubilecad-mali@..., barryaminatou@... Southern Initiative on Globalisation and Trade Union Rights (SIGTUR) rlambert@... Social Movement Indaba Social Watch socwatch@... www.socialwatch.org Social Development Network (SODNET) sodnet@... http://www.sodnet.or.ke Solidar solidar@... www.solidar.org Solidarity Africa Network in Action njoki@... The International Federation Terre des Hommes (IFTDH) info@... www.terredeshommes.org Transnational Information Exchange (TIE) tie@... http://www.tie-brasil.org/tie.php Transnational Institute (TNI) tni@... www.tni.org Third World Network (TWN) twn@... www.twnside.org.sg UBUNTU - Foro Mundial de Redes de la Sociedad Civil ubuntu@... www.ubuntu.upc.es Union Internacional de Estudiantes ius@... www.ius-uie.org Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam Network vk-finland@... www.democracydialogues.org/ www.demokratiafoorumi.fi/wsf.html Via Campesina viacam@... http://ns.rds.org.hn/via/ World Association of Community Radio Broadcasters (Amarc) amarc@... http://www.amarc.org World March of Women www.ffq.qc.ca/marche2000/en/index.html dmatte@... Zanzibar International Film Festival Of Dhow Contato: Fatma ALLOO falloo@... Znet sysop@... www.zmag.org Observadores Comitê Organizador do Fórum Mundial de Educação Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Africano taoufik@... Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Américas fsmcontinental@... www.forosocialamericas.org Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Europeu wsf@... www.fse-esf.org Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Mediterrâneo activitats@... fsmedi@... Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social de Migrações Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Pan-Amazônico cri-pmb@... www.fspanamazonico.com.br Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Tematico: Democracia, Direitos Humanos, Guerras e Narcotráfico forosocialtematico@... www.fsmt.org.co Funders Network on Trade & Globalization (FNTG) mark@... www.fntg.org Fórum Social São Paulo http://forumsocialsp.org.br On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Gustavo Massiah <massiah@...> wrote: > > Dear Wilhermina > > we are with you in solidarity > and with all the workers of striking mine > > we are sure that social justice will be on the road of this fundamental > struggle > > In solidarity > > gustave massiah > representative of CRID at the IC of WSF > > > > > > > Le 21/08/2012 16:51, Wilhelmina Trout WMW a écrit : > > Dear Gina > my sincerest apologies for not being present these past days in these > discussions, after my last task of sending you my notes. Thank you for > taking over & carrying the load. > > I am sure you, with the rest of the world, witnessed the recent killings of > striking mine workers at the Lonmin Mine here in Marikane, it has shocked > the world & here in South Africa we are trying to come to grips with the > loss of lives and to make sense of this brutality. > > But for now I will follow the discussions & continue participating actively > in the group shortly. > > In solidarity > wilhelmina > > On 20 August 2012 22:41, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote: >> >> dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please respond as >> soon as posible >> >> amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por favor >> respondan pronto >> >> >> Gina >> >> >> 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...> >>> >>> (Inglès: ver abajo) >>> >>> >>> >>> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo! >>> >>> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones que >>> suscita. >>> >>> >>> >>> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas: >>> >>> >>> >>> - El protocol >>> >>> - El plan de trabajo >>> >>> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir. El >>> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro grupo? >>> >>> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las responsabilidades? >>> >>> >>> >>> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos, seria >>> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar. >>> >>> >>> >>> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen razon. >>> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las >>> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros del CI >>> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un >>> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo … >>> >>> >>> >>> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que >>> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos? >>> >>> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario? >>> >>> >>> >>> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar … >>> >>> >>> >>> Esperando las noticias. >>> >>> >>> >>> Francine >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done. >>> >>> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack of >>> reactions … >>> >>> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals: >>> >>> - Protocol >>> >>> - A working plan >>> >>> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the >>> ‘rules of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect? >>> >>> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with >>> responsibilities? >>> >>> >>> >>> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different >>> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have to >>> avoid, I think. >>> >>> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are >>> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all messages >>> go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also is a need >>> for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule be a kind >>> of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing … >>> >>> >>> >>> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to >>> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with priority? >>> >>> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire? >>> >>> >>> >>> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help … >>> >>> >>> >>> Waiting for more news, >>> >>> >>> >>> Francine >>> >>> Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...] >>> Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01 >>> Aan: wg-about-future@... >>> Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona >>> >>> >>> >>> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo. >>> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar. >>> >>> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue >>> working. Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work. >>> >>> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have >>> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that know >>> both can check? >>> >>> besos >>> Gina >>> >>> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...> >>> >>> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de >>> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona. >>> >>> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list. >>> This is a prove to see if it functions. >>> >>> Gina >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345032103842 >>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >>> wg-about-future@.... Please contact >>> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345385242518 >>> >>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >>> wg-about-future@.... 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Dear all, I've been following and read most of the messages up to now. I haven't had time to write my contribution yet (I just came back from my summer vacation). But I'm happy to see that something is moving... I like Sara's approach and agree that we should have more frequent online meetings. Rita - the list you sent is old, in fact very old. Is it possible to have an updated one? In a short time? ciao from a very warm Italy Jason On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:59 PM, rita freire <ritafreir@...> wrote: > Agree > > Also the list of the IC members/organizations in this group, > If it can help, bellow you find the list of members of the IC > > Rita > > > 50 Years is Enough! > 50years@... > www.50years.org > > Associação Brasileira de ONGs (ABONG) > abong@... > www.abong.org.br > > > Action Aid International (AAI) > mail.jhb@... > www.actionaid.org > > Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU) > mailbox@... > www.actu.asn.au > > American Federation of Labor-Congress of Industrial Organizations (AFL-CIO) > feedback@... > www.aflcio.org/home.htm > > Africa Trade Network > aidc@... > http://africatradenetwork.com > > Alternative Information on Development Center (AIDC) > aidc@... > http://aidc.org.za > > Agencia Latinoamericana de Información (AIDC) > info@... > www.alainet.org > > Associação Latino Americana de Pequenos e Médios Empresários (ALAMPYME) > apyme@... > www.apyme.com.ar > > Aliança Por Um Mundo Responsável e Solidário > lille@... > www.alliance21.org > > All Arab Peasants & Agricultural Co-operatives Union > F76arab@... > > Associação Latino Americana de Organismos de Promoção (ALOP) > info@... > www.alop.or.cr > > Alternatives Information Center > yahni@... > www.alternativenews.org > > Alternatives > alternatives@...< /a> > www.alternatives.ca > > Alternative International > www.alternatives.ca > > Alternatives Rússia > dhrr@... > > Amigos da Terra/Friends of the Earth > foe@... > www.foei.org > > APRODEV > aprodev@... > www.aprodev.net > > Arab NGO Network for Development > annd@... > www.annd.org > > Asian Regional Exchange for New Alternatives (ARENA) > arena@... > www.asianexchange.org > > Articulación Feminista Marco Sur > mujeresdelsur@... > www.mujeresdelsur.org.uy > > Aliança Social Continental (ASC) > sri_cut@... > www.ascahsa.org > > Asemblea de los Pueblos del Caribe (APC) > habitatcarib@..., pedroarg@... > http://movimientos.org/caribe/ > > Assemblée Europeenne dês Citoyens > cedetim@... > www.cedetim.org/AEC > > Assembléia das Nações Unidas dos Povos > flavio@... > > Associação para o Progresso das Comunicações > anriette@... > www.apc.org > > ATTAC- Brasil > attacsaopaulo@... > www.attac.org/brasil > > ATTAC France > attac@... > http://attac.org > > Babels > wsfsm@... > > Bankwatch Network > jozseff@... > www.bankwatch.org > > Comité pour l’Annulation de la Dette du Tiers Monde (CADTM) > cadtm@... > http://users.skynet.be/cadtm > > Canadian Council > Jdunn@... > > Coordinación Andina de Organizaciones Indigenas (CAOI) > coordinadorandinacaoi@... > www.minkandina.org > > Caritas Internacionalis > caritas.internationalis@... > www.caritas.org > > Comissão Brasileira de Justiça e Paz (CBJP ) > intercom@... > www.cbjp.org.br > > Consejo de Educación de Adultos de América Latina (CEAAL) > ceaal@... > www.ceaal.org > > CEDAR Internacional > cedar@... > www.cedarinternational.net > > Centre dEtudes et d Initiatives de Solidarité Internationale (CEDETIM) > cedetim@... > www.cedetim.org > > Central de Trabajadores Argentinos > cta@... > www.cta.org.ar > > European Trade Union Confederation (CES) > etuc@... > www.etuc.org > > CETRI > cetri@... > www.cetri.be > > CIDSE > postmaster@... > www.cidse.org > > Confederação Internacional de Organizações Sindicais Livres (CIOSL) > internetpo@... > www.cioslorit.org > > Ciranda Internacional da Comunicação Compatilhada > ciranda@... > www.ciranda.net > > CIVES > cives@... > www.cives.org.br > > Conselho Latino Americano de Ciências Sociais (CLACSO) > clacsofsm@... > www.clacso.org > > Canadian Labour Congress (CLC) > sbenedict@... > www.clc-ctc.ca > > Confederação Mundial do Trabalho (CMT) > info@... > www.cmt-wcl.org > > Coalición Internacional para el Hábitat > hic-al@... > http://www.hic-net.org/ > > Coligação para a Justiça Econômica > viriatot@... > > Convergência de los Movimientos de los Pueblos de las Américas (COMPA) > colectivoredom_@... > rgf@... > http://www.sitiocompa.org/compa/index.php > > CONAIE > info@... > http://conaie.org > > Congresso Nacional Indígena do México > ceatl@... > > Conselho Mundial de Igrejas > info@... > www.wcc-coe.org > > Coordenación del Foro “El Otro Davos” > Page2@... > > Coordenadora de Centrais Sindicais do Cone Sul > eduardof@... > http://www.sindicatomercosul.com.br/ > > Corpwatch > corpwatch@... > www.corpwatch.org > > Congress of South African Trade Unions (COSATU) > cosatu@... > www.cosatu.org.za > > Centre de Recherche et d´Information pour le Développment (CRID) > info@... > www.crid.asso.fr > > Confederación Sindical Internacional (CSI) > claire.courteille@... > http://www.ituc-csi.org > > Central Única dos Trabalhadores (CUT) > sri-cut@... > www.cut.org.br > > E-joussour > www.e-joussour.net > > Encuentros Hemisféricos contra el ALCA > joel@... > > ENDA > taoufik@... > www.enda.sn > > Euralat > Criera@... > > Euromarches > euromarches@... > 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Forum of the Poors > fopthai@... > > Fórum Social Italiano > vagnoleto@... > > Foundation for Socio-Economic Justice (FSEJ) > fsej@... > > General Union of Oil Employees in Southern Iraq > Contact: Farouk M. 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> elgauthi@... > > Redes Socioeconomia Solidaria > creintjes@... > www.reasnet.com > > Rede de Educação Popular entre Mulheres (REPEM) > repem@... > www.repem.org.uy > > Réseau Ouest Africain des Alternatives pour le Developpement (ROAD) > jubilecad-mali@..., barryaminatou@... > > Southern Initiative on Globalisation and Trade Union Rights (SIGTUR) > rlambert@... > > Social Movement Indaba > > Social Watch > socwatch@... > www.socialwatch.org > > Social Development Network (SODNET) > sodnet@... > http://www.sodnet.or.ke > > Solidar > solidar@... > www.solidar.org > > Solidarity Africa Network in Action > njoki@... > > The International Federation Terre des Hommes (IFTDH) > info@... > www.terredeshommes.org > > Transnational Information Exchange (TIE) > tie@... > http://www.tie-brasil.org/tie.php > > Transnational Institute (TNI) > tni@... > www.tni.org > > Third World Network (TWN) > twn@... > www.twnside.org.sg > > UBUNTU - Foro Mundial de Redes de la Sociedad Civil > ubuntu@... > www.ubuntu.upc.es > > Union Internacional de Estudiantes > ius@... > www.ius-uie.org > > Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam Network > vk-finland@... > www.democracydialogues.org/ > www.demokratiafoorumi.fi/wsf.html > > Via Campesina > viacam@... > http://ns.rds.org.hn/via/ > > World Association of Community Radio Broadcasters (Amarc) > amarc@... > http://www.amarc.org > > World March of Women > www.ffq.qc.ca/marche2000/en/index.html > dmatte@... > > Zanzibar International Film Festival Of Dhow > Contato: Fatma ALLOO > falloo@... > > Znet > sysop@... > www.zmag.org > > > > > Observadores > > > Comitê Organizador do Fórum Mundial de Educação > > Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Africano > taoufik@... > > Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Américas > fsmcontinental@... > www.forosocialamericas.org > > Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Europeu > wsf@... > www.fse-esf.org > > Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Mediterrâneo > activitats@... > fsmedi@... > > Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social de Migrações > > Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Pan-Amazônico > cri-pmb@... > www.fspanamazonico.com.br > > Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Tematico: Democracia, Direitos > Humanos, Guerras e Narcotráfico > forosocialtematico@... > www.fsmt.org.co > > Funders Network on Trade & Globalization (FNTG) > mark@... > www.fntg.org > > Fórum Social São Paulo > http://forumsocialsp.org.br > > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Gustavo Massiah <massiah@...> > wrote: > > > > Dear Wilhermina > > > > we are with you in solidarity > > and with all the workers of striking mine > > > > we are sure that social justice will be on the road of this fundamental > > struggle > > > > In solidarity > > > > gustave massiah > > representative of CRID at the IC of WSF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Le 21/08/2012 16:51, Wilhelmina Trout WMW a écrit : > > > > Dear Gina > > my sincerest apologies for not being present these past days in these > > discussions, after my last task of sending you my notes. Thank you for > > taking over & carrying the load. > > > > I am sure you, with the rest of the world, witnessed the recent killings > of > > striking mine workers at the Lonmin Mine here in Marikane, it has shocked > > the world & here in South Africa we are trying to come to grips with the > > loss of lives and to make sense of this brutality. > > > > But for now I will follow the discussions & continue participating > actively > > in the group shortly. > > > > In solidarity > > wilhelmina > > > > On 20 August 2012 22:41, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote: > >> > >> dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please respond as > >> soon as posible > >> > >> amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por favor > >> respondan pronto > >> > >> > >> Gina > >> > >> > >> 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...> > >>> > >>> (Inglès: ver abajo) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo! > >>> > >>> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones > que > >>> suscita. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> - El protocol > >>> > >>> - El plan de trabajo > >>> > >>> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir. > El > >>> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro > grupo? > >>> > >>> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las responsabilidades? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos, > seria > >>> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen > razon. > >>> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las > >>> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros > del CI > >>> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un > >>> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo … > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que > >>> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos? > >>> > >>> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar … > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Esperando las noticias. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Francine > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done. > >>> > >>> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack > of > >>> reactions … > >>> > >>> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals: > >>> > >>> - Protocol > >>> > >>> - A working plan > >>> > >>> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the > >>> ‘rules of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect? > >>> > >>> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with > >>> responsibilities? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different > >>> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have to > >>> avoid, I think. > >>> > >>> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are > >>> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all > messages > >>> go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also is a > need > >>> for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule be a > kind > >>> of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing … > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to > >>> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with > priority? > >>> > >>> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help … > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Waiting for more news, > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Francine > >>> > >>> Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...] > >>> Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01 > >>> Aan: wg-about-future@... > >>> Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo. > >>> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar. > >>> > >>> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue > >>> working. Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work. > >>> > >>> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have > >>> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that > know > >>> both can check? > >>> > >>> besos > >>> Gina > >>> > >>> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...> > >>> > >>> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de > >>> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona. > >>> > >>> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list. > >>> This is a prove to see if it functions. > >>> > >>> Gina > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345032103842 > >>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to > >>> wg-about-future@.... 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Jason This list is not mine, it is the list open in the institutional website, wich needs to be updated Rita On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Jason Nardi <jason.nardi@...> wrote: > Dear all, > > I've been following and read most of the messages up to now. I haven't had > time to write my contribution yet (I just came back from my summer > vacation). But I'm happy to see that something is moving... > > I like Sara's approach and agree that we should have more frequent online > meetings. > > Rita - the list you sent is old, in fact very old. Is it possible to have > an updated one? In a short time? > > ciao from a very warm Italy > Jason > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:59 PM, rita freire <ritafreir@...> wrote: >> >> Agree >> >> Also the list of the IC members/organizations in this group, >> If it can help, bellow you find the list of members of the IC >> >> Rita >> >> >> 50 Years is Enough! >> 50years@... >> www.50years.org >> >> Associação Brasileira de ONGs (ABONG) >> abong@... >> www.abong.org.br >> >> >> Action Aid International (AAI) >> mail.jhb@... >> www.actionaid.org >> >> Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU) >> mailbox@... >> www.actu.asn.au >> >> American Federation of Labor-Congress of Industrial Organizations >> (AFL-CIO) >> feedback@... >> www.aflcio.org/home.htm >> >> Africa Trade Network >> aidc@... >> http://africatradenetwork.com >> >> Alternative Information on Development Center (AIDC) >> aidc@... >> http://aidc.org.za >> >> Agencia Latinoamericana de Información (AIDC) >> info@... >> www.alainet.org >> >> Associação Latino Americana de Pequenos e Médios Empresários (ALAMPYME) >> apyme@... >> www.apyme.com.ar >> >> Aliança Por Um Mundo Responsável e Solidário >> lille@... >> www.alliance21.org >> >> All Arab Peasants & Agricultural Co-operatives Union >> F76arab@... >> >> Associação Latino Americana de Organismos de Promoção (ALOP) >> info@... >> www.alop.or.cr >> >> Alternatives Information Center >> yahni@... >> www.alternativenews.org >> >> Alternatives >> alternatives@...< /a> >> www.alternatives.ca >> >> Alternative International >> www.alternatives.ca >> >> Alternatives Rússia >> dhrr@... >> >> Amigos da Terra/Friends of the Earth >> foe@... >> www.foei.org >> >> APRODEV >> aprodev@... >> www.aprodev.net >> >> Arab NGO Network for Development >> annd@... >> www.annd.org >> >> Asian Regional Exchange for New Alternatives (ARENA) >> arena@... >> www.asianexchange.org >> >> Articulación Feminista Marco Sur >> mujeresdelsur@... >> www.mujeresdelsur.org.uy >> >> Aliança Social Continental (ASC) >> sri_cut@... >> www.ascahsa.org >> >> Asemblea de los Pueblos del Caribe (APC) >> habitatcarib@..., pedroarg@... >> http://movimientos.org/caribe/ >> >> Assemblée Europeenne dês Citoyens >> cedetim@... >> www.cedetim.org/AEC >> >> Assembléia das Nações Unidas dos Povos >> flavio@... >> >> Associação para o Progresso das Comunicações >> anriette@... >> www.apc.org >> >> ATTAC- Brasil >> attacsaopaulo@... >> www.attac.org/brasil >> >> ATTAC France >> attac@... >> http://attac.org >> >> Babels >> wsfsm@... >> >> Bankwatch Network >> jozseff@... >> www.bankwatch.org >> >> Comité pour l’Annulation de la Dette du Tiers Monde (CADTM) >> cadtm@... >> http://users.skynet.be/cadtm >> >> Canadian Council >> Jdunn@... >> >> Coordinación Andina de Organizaciones Indigenas (CAOI) >> coordinadorandinacaoi@... >> www.minkandina.org >> >> Caritas Internacionalis >> caritas.internationalis@... >> www.caritas.org >> >> Comissão Brasileira de Justiça e Paz (CBJP ) >> intercom@... >> www.cbjp.org.br >> >> Consejo de Educación de Adultos de América Latina (CEAAL) >> ceaal@... >> www.ceaal.org >> >> CEDAR Internacional >> cedar@... >> www.cedarinternational.net >> >> Centre dEtudes et d Initiatives de Solidarité Internationale (CEDETIM) >> cedetim@... >> www.cedetim.org >> >> Central de Trabajadores Argentinos >> cta@... >> www.cta.org.ar >> >> European Trade Union Confederation (CES) >> etuc@... >> www.etuc.org >> >> CETRI >> cetri@... >> www.cetri.be >> >> CIDSE >> postmaster@... >> www.cidse.org >> >> Confederação Internacional de Organizações Sindicais Livres (CIOSL) >> internetpo@... >> www.cioslorit.org >> >> Ciranda Internacional da Comunicação Compatilhada >> ciranda@... >> www.ciranda.net >> >> CIVES >> cives@... >> www.cives.org.br >> >> Conselho Latino Americano de Ciências Sociais (CLACSO) >> clacsofsm@... >> www.clacso.org >> >> Canadian Labour Congress (CLC) >> sbenedict@... >> www.clc-ctc.ca >> >> Confederação Mundial do Trabalho (CMT) >> info@... >> www.cmt-wcl.org >> >> Coalición Internacional para el Hábitat >> hic-al@... >> http://www.hic-net.org/ >> >> Coligação para a Justiça Econômica >> viriatot@... >> >> Convergência de los Movimientos de los Pueblos de las Américas (COMPA) >> colectivoredom_@... >> rgf@... >> http://www.sitiocompa.org/compa/index.php >> >> CONAIE >> info@... >> http://conaie.org >> >> Congresso Nacional Indígena do México >> ceatl@... >> >> Conselho Mundial de Igrejas >> info@... >> www.wcc-coe.org >> >> Coordenación del Foro “El Otro Davos” >> Page2@... >> >> Coordenadora de Centrais Sindicais do Cone Sul >> eduardof@... >> http://www.sindicatomercosul.com.br/ >> >> Corpwatch >> corpwatch@... >> www.corpwatch.org >> >> Congress of South African Trade Unions (COSATU) >> cosatu@... >> www.cosatu.org.za >> >> Centre de Recherche et d´Information pour le Développment (CRID) >> info@... >> www.crid.asso.fr >> >> Confederación Sindical Internacional (CSI) >> claire.courteille@... >> http://www.ituc-csi.org >> >> Central Única dos 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Thank you for >> > taking over & carrying the load. >> > >> > I am sure you, with the rest of the world, witnessed the recent killings >> > of >> > striking mine workers at the Lonmin Mine here in Marikane, it has >> > shocked >> > the world & here in South Africa we are trying to come to grips with the >> > loss of lives and to make sense of this brutality. >> > >> > But for now I will follow the discussions & continue participating >> > actively >> > in the group shortly. >> > >> > In solidarity >> > wilhelmina >> > >> > On 20 August 2012 22:41, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote: >> >> >> >> dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please respond as >> >> soon as posible >> >> >> >> amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por favor >> >> respondan pronto >> >> >> >> >> >> Gina >> >> >> >> >> >> 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...> >> >>> >> >>> (Inglès: ver abajo) >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo! >> >>> >> >>> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones >> >>> que >> >>> suscita. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> - El protocol >> >>> >> >>> - El plan de trabajo >> >>> >> >>> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir. >> >>> El >> >>> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro >> >>> grupo? >> >>> >> >>> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las >> >>> responsabilidades? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos, >> >>> seria >> >>> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen >> >>> razon. >> >>> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las >> >>> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros >> >>> del CI >> >>> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un >> >>> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo … >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que >> >>> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos? >> >>> >> >>> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar … >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Esperando las noticias. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Francine >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done. >> >>> >> >>> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack >> >>> of >> >>> reactions … >> >>> >> >>> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals: >> >>> >> >>> - Protocol >> >>> >> >>> - A working plan >> >>> >> >>> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the >> >>> ‘rules of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect? >> >>> >> >>> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with >> >>> responsibilities? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different >> >>> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have >> >>> to >> >>> avoid, I think. >> >>> >> >>> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are >> >>> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all >> >>> messages >> >>> go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also is a >> >>> need >> >>> for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule be a >> >>> kind >> >>> of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing … >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to >> >>> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with >> >>> priority? >> >>> >> >>> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help … >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Waiting for more news, >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Francine >> >>> >> >>> Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...] >> >>> Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01 >> >>> Aan: wg-about-future@... >> >>> Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo. >> >>> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar. >> >>> >> >>> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue >> >>> working. Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work. >> >>> >> >>> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have >> >>> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that >> >>> know >> >>> both can check? >> >>> >> >>> besos >> >>> Gina >> >>> >> >>> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...> >> >>> >> >>> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de >> >>> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona. >> >>> >> >>> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list. >> >>> This is a prove to see if it functions. >> >>> >> >>> Gina >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345032103842 >> >>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >> >>> wg-about-future@.... 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Hi Rita, I know... that's why also the institutional website badly needs to be updated altogether and we are waiting for some signal of life from Helio... since we already have discussed for a long time in the communication commission - as you know - to have a new portal website, collecting together all the functions and information needed for a modern communication. But apparently we cannot proceed unless "the office" says ok... Which brings up the issue of who is responsible for what and who takes decisions of this sort (I have raised this countless times in the IC). But I don't want to be polemic here ;-) ciao Jason On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:57 PM, rita freire <ritafreir@...> wrote: > Jason > This list is not mine, it is the list open in the institutional > website, wich needs to be updated > Rita > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Jason Nardi <jason.nardi@...> > wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > I've been following and read most of the messages up to now. I haven't > had > > time to write my contribution yet (I just came back from my summer > > vacation). But I'm happy to see that something is moving... > > > > I like Sara's approach and agree that we should have more frequent online > > meetings. > > > > Rita - the list you sent is old, in fact very old. Is it possible to > have > > an updated one? In a short time? > > > > ciao from a very warm Italy > > Jason > > > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:59 PM, rita freire <ritafreir@...> > wrote: > >> > >> Agree > >> > >> Also the list of the IC members/organizations in this group, > >> If it can help, bellow you find the list of members of the IC > >> > >> Rita > >> > >> > >> 50 Years is Enough! > >> 50years@... > >> www.50years.org > >> > >> Associação Brasileira de ONGs (ABONG) > >> abong@... > >> www.abong.org.br > >> > >> > >> Action Aid International (AAI) > >> mail.jhb@... > >> www.actionaid.org > >> > >> Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU) > >> mailbox@... > >> www.actu.asn.au > >> > >> American Federation of Labor-Congress of Industrial Organizations > >> (AFL-CIO) > >> feedback@... > >> www.aflcio.org/home.htm > >> > >> Africa Trade Network > >> aidc@... > >> http://africatradenetwork.com > >> > >> Alternative Information on Development Center (AIDC) > >> aidc@... > >> http://aidc.org.za > >> > >> Agencia Latinoamericana de Información (AIDC) > >> info@... > >> www.alainet.org > >> > >> Associação Latino Americana de Pequenos e Médios Empresários (ALAMPYME) > >> apyme@... > >> www.apyme.com.ar > >> > >> Aliança Por Um Mundo Responsável e Solidário > >> lille@... > >> www.alliance21.org > >> > >> All Arab Peasants & Agricultural Co-operatives Union > >> F76arab@... > >> > >> Associação Latino Americana de Organismos de Promoção (ALOP) > >> info@... > >> www.alop.or.cr > >> > >> Alternatives Information Center > >> yahni@... > >> www.alternativenews.org > >> > >> Alternatives > >> alternatives@...< /a> > >> www.alternatives.ca > >> > >> Alternative International > >> www.alternatives.ca > >> > >> Alternatives Rússia > >> dhrr@... > >> > >> Amigos da Terra/Friends of the Earth > >> foe@... > >> www.foei.org > >> > >> APRODEV > >> aprodev@... > >> www.aprodev.net > >> > >> Arab NGO Network for Development > >> annd@... > >> www.annd.org > >> > >> Asian Regional Exchange for New Alternatives (ARENA) > >> arena@... > >> www.asianexchange.org > >> > >> Articulación Feminista Marco Sur > >> mujeresdelsur@... > >> www.mujeresdelsur.org.uy > >> > >> Aliança Social Continental (ASC) > >> sri_cut@... > >> www.ascahsa.org > >> > >> Asemblea de los Pueblos del Caribe (APC) > >> habitatcarib@..., pedroarg@... > >> http://movimientos.org/caribe/ > >> > >> Assemblée Europeenne dês Citoyens > >> cedetim@... > >> www.cedetim.org/AEC > >> > >> Assembléia das Nações Unidas dos Povos > >> flavio@... > >> > >> Associação para o Progresso das Comunicações > >> anriette@... > >> www.apc.org > >> > >> ATTAC- Brasil > >> attacsaopaulo@... > >> www.attac.org/brasil > >> > >> ATTAC France > >> attac@... > >> http://attac.org > >> > >> Babels > >> wsfsm@... > >> > >> Bankwatch Network > >> jozseff@... > >> www.bankwatch.org > >> > >> Comité pour l’Annulation de la Dette du Tiers Monde (CADTM) > >> cadtm@... > >> http://users.skynet.be/cadtm > >> > >> Canadian Council > >> Jdunn@... > >> > >> Coordinación Andina de Organizaciones Indigenas (CAOI) > >> coordinadorandinacaoi@... > >> www.minkandina.org > >> > >> Caritas Internacionalis > >> caritas.internationalis@... > >> www.caritas.org > >> > >> Comissão Brasileira de Justiça e Paz (CBJP ) > >> intercom@... > >> www.cbjp.org.br > >> > >> Consejo de Educación de Adultos de América Latina (CEAAL) > >> ceaal@... > >> www.ceaal.org > >> > >> CEDAR Internacional > >> cedar@... > >> www.cedarinternational.net > >> > >> Centre dEtudes et d Initiatives de Solidarité Internationale (CEDETIM) > >> cedetim@... > >> www.cedetim.org > >> > >> Central de Trabajadores Argentinos > >> cta@... > >> www.cta.org.ar > >> > >> European Trade Union Confederation (CES) > >> etuc@... > >> www.etuc.org > >> > >> CETRI > >> cetri@... > >> www.cetri.be > >> > >> CIDSE > >> postmaster@... > >> www.cidse.org > >> > >> Confederação Internacional de Organizações Sindicais Livres (CIOSL) > >> internetpo@... > >> www.cioslorit.org > >> > >> Ciranda Internacional da Comunicação Compatilhada > >> ciranda@... > >> www.ciranda.net > >> > >> CIVES > >> cives@... > >> www.cives.org.br > >> > >> Conselho Latino Americano de Ciências Sociais (CLACSO) > >> clacsofsm@... > >> www.clacso.org > >> > >> Canadian Labour Congress (CLC) > >> sbenedict@... > >> www.clc-ctc.ca > >> > >> Confederação Mundial do Trabalho (CMT) > >> info@... > >> www.cmt-wcl.org > >> > >> Coalición Internacional para el Hábitat > >> hic-al@... > >> http://www.hic-net.org/ > >> > >> Coligação para a Justiça Econômica > >> viriatot@... > >> > >> Convergência de los Movimientos de los Pueblos de las Américas (COMPA) > >> colectivoredom_@... > >> rgf@... > >> http://www.sitiocompa.org/compa/index.php > >> > >> CONAIE > >> info@... > >> http://conaie.org > >> > >> Congresso Nacional Indígena do México > >> ceatl@... > >> > >> Conselho Mundial de Igrejas > >> info@... > >> www.wcc-coe.org > >> > >> Coordenación del Foro “El Otro Davos” > >> Page2@... > >> > >> Coordenadora de Centrais Sindicais do Cone Sul > >> eduardof@... > >> http://www.sindicatomercosul.com.br/ > >> > >> Corpwatch > >> corpwatch@... > >> www.corpwatch.org > >> > >> Congress of South African Trade Unions (COSATU) > >> cosatu@... > >> www.cosatu.org.za > >> > >> Centre de Recherche et d´Information pour le Développment (CRID) > >> info@... > >> www.crid.asso.fr > >> > >> Confederación Sindical Internacional (CSI) > >> claire.courteille@... > >> http://www.ituc-csi.org > >> > >> Central Única dos Trabalhadores (CUT) > >> sri-cut@... > >> www.cut.org.br > >> > >> E-joussour > >> www.e-joussour.net > >> > >> Encuentros Hemisféricos contra el ALCA > >> joel@... > >> > >> ENDA > >> taoufik@... > >> www.enda.sn > >> > >> Euralat > >> Criera@... > >> > >> Euromarches > >> euromarches@... > >> www.euromarches.org > >> > >> FAMES > >> rabia@... > >> > >> Frente Continental de Organizações Comunitárias (FECOC) > >> mlongoria@... > >> > >> Federación Mundial de Juventudes Democráticas > >> wfdy@... > >> 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Foro Mundial de Redes de la Sociedad Civil > >> ubuntu@... > >> www.ubuntu.upc.es > >> > >> Union Internacional de Estudiantes > >> ius@... > >> www.ius-uie.org > >> > >> Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam Network > >> vk-finland@... > >> www.democracydialogues.org/ > >> www.demokratiafoorumi.fi/wsf.html > >> > >> Via Campesina > >> viacam@... > >> http://ns.rds.org.hn/via/ > >> > >> World Association of Community Radio Broadcasters (Amarc) > >> amarc@... > >> http://www.amarc.org > >> > >> World March of Women > >> www.ffq.qc.ca/marche2000/en/index.html > >> dmatte@... > >> > >> Zanzibar International Film Festival Of Dhow > >> Contato: Fatma ALLOO > >> falloo@... > >> > >> Znet > >> sysop@... > >> www.zmag.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Observadores > >> > >> > >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Mundial de Educação > >> > >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Africano > >> taoufik@... > >> > >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Américas > >> fsmcontinental@... > >> www.forosocialamericas.org > >> > >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Europeu > >> wsf@... > >> www.fse-esf.org > >> > >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Mediterrâneo > >> activitats@... > >> fsmedi@... > >> > >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social de Migrações > >> > >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Pan-Amazônico > >> cri-pmb@... > >> www.fspanamazonico.com.br > >> > >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Tematico: Democracia, Direitos > >> Humanos, Guerras e Narcotráfico > >> forosocialtematico@... > >> www.fsmt.org.co > >> > >> Funders Network on Trade & Globalization (FNTG) > >> mark@... > >> www.fntg.org > >> > >> Fórum Social São Paulo > >> http://forumsocialsp.org.br > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Gustavo Massiah <massiah@...> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > Dear Wilhermina > >> > > >> > we are with you in solidarity > >> > and with all the workers of striking mine > >> > > >> > we are sure that social justice will be on the road of this > fundamental > >> > struggle > >> > > >> > In solidarity > >> > > >> > gustave massiah > >> > representative of CRID at the IC of WSF > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Le 21/08/2012 16:51, Wilhelmina Trout WMW a écrit : > >> > > >> > Dear Gina > >> > my sincerest apologies for not being present these past days in these > >> > discussions, after my last task of sending you my notes. Thank you > for > >> > taking over & carrying the load. > >> > > >> > I am sure you, with the rest of the world, witnessed the recent > killings > >> > of > >> > striking mine workers at the Lonmin Mine here in Marikane, it has > >> > shocked > >> > the world & here in South Africa we are trying to come to grips with > the > >> > loss of lives and to make sense of this brutality. > >> > > >> > But for now I will follow the discussions & continue participating > >> > actively > >> > in the group shortly. > >> > > >> > In solidarity > >> > wilhelmina > >> > > >> > On 20 August 2012 22:41, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please respond > as > >> >> soon as posible > >> >> > >> >> amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por > favor > >> >> respondan pronto > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Gina > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...> > >> >>> > >> >>> (Inglès: ver abajo) > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo! > >> >>> > >> >>> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas > reacciones > >> >>> que > >> >>> suscita. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos > propuestas: > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> - El protocol > >> >>> > >> >>> - El plan de trabajo > >> >>> > >> >>> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere > decir. > >> >>> El > >> >>> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro > >> >>> grupo? > >> >>> > >> >>> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las > >> >>> responsabilidades? > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos, > >> >>> seria > >> >>> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen > >> >>> razon. > >> >>> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las > >> >>> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros > >> >>> del CI > >> >>> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria > un > >> >>> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo > dudo … > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que > >> >>> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos? > >> >>> > >> >>> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario? > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar … > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> Esperando las noticias. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> Francine > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done. > >> >>> > >> >>> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the > lack > >> >>> of > >> >>> reactions … > >> >>> > >> >>> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals: > >> >>> > >> >>> - Protocol > >> >>> > >> >>> - A working plan > >> >>> > >> >>> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the > >> >>> ‘rules of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect? > >> >>> > >> >>> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with > >> >>> responsibilities? > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different > >> >>> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have > >> >>> to > >> >>> avoid, I think. > >> >>> > >> >>> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are > >> >>> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all > >> >>> messages > >> >>> go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also is > a > >> >>> need > >> >>> for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule > be a > >> >>> kind > >> >>> of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing … > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group > to > >> >>> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with > >> >>> priority? > >> >>> > >> >>> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire? > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help … > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> Waiting for more news, > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> Francine > >> >>> > >> >>> Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...] > >> >>> Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01 > >> >>> Aan: wg-about-future@... > >> >>> Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro > trabajo. > >> >>> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar. > >> >>> > >> >>> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can > continue > >> >>> working. Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work. > >> >>> > >> >>> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have > >> >>> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you > that > >> >>> know > >> >>> both can check? > >> >>> > >> >>> besos > >> >>> Gina > >> >>> > >> >>> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...> > >> >>> > >> >>> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de > >> >>> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona. > >> >>> > >> >>> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list. > >> >>> This is a prove to see if it functions. > >> >>> > >> >>> Gina > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> -- > >> >>> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345032103842 > >> >>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to > >> >>> wg-about-future@.... 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Please see the attachments and we comunicate soon! We have to organise also a team for traslation.! Por favor lean los adjuntos y nos comunicamos pronto Y tenemos que organizar un equipo de traduccion! Gina 2012/8/22 Jason Nardi <jason.nardi@...> > Hi Rita, > > I know... that's why also the institutional website badly needs to be > updated altogether and we are waiting for some signal of life from Helio... > since we already have discussed for a long time in the communication > commission - as you know - to have a new portal website, collecting > together all the functions and information needed for a modern > communication. But apparently we cannot proceed unless "the office" says > ok... > Which brings up the issue of who is responsible for what and who takes > decisions of this sort (I have raised this countless times in the IC). > > But I don't want to be polemic here ;-) > > ciao > Jason > > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:57 PM, rita freire <ritafreir@...> wrote: > >> Jason >> This list is not mine, it is the list open in the institutional >> website, wich needs to be updated >> Rita >> >> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Jason Nardi <jason.nardi@...> >> wrote: >> > Dear all, >> > >> > I've been following and read most of the messages up to now. I haven't >> had >> > time to write my contribution yet (I just came back from my summer >> > vacation). But I'm happy to see that something is moving... >> > >> > I like Sara's approach and agree that we should have more frequent >> online >> > meetings. >> > >> > Rita - the list you sent is old, in fact very old. Is it possible to >> have >> > an updated one? In a short time? >> > >> > ciao from a very warm Italy >> > Jason >> > >> > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:59 PM, rita freire <ritafreir@...> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Agree >> >> >> >> Also the list of the IC members/organizations in this group, >> >> If it can help, bellow you find the list of members of the IC >> >> >> >> Rita >> >> >> >> >> >> 50 Years is Enough! >> >> 50years@... >> >> www.50years.org >> >> >> >> Associação Brasileira de ONGs (ABONG) >> >> abong@... >> >> www.abong.org.br >> >> >> >> >> >> Action Aid International (AAI) >> >> mail.jhb@... >> >> www.actionaid.org >> >> >> >> Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU) >> >> mailbox@... >> >> www.actu.asn.au >> >> >> >> American Federation of Labor-Congress of Industrial Organizations >> >> (AFL-CIO) >> >> feedback@... >> >> www.aflcio.org/home.htm >> >> >> >> Africa Trade Network >> >> aidc@... >> >> http://africatradenetwork.com >> >> >> >> Alternative Information on Development Center (AIDC) >> >> aidc@... >> >> http://aidc.org.za >> >> >> >> Agencia Latinoamericana de Información (AIDC) >> >> info@... >> >> www.alainet.org >> >> >> >> Associação Latino Americana de Pequenos e Médios Empresários (ALAMPYME) >> >> apyme@... >> >> www.apyme.com.ar >> >> >> >> Aliança Por Um Mundo Responsável e Solidário >> >> lille@... >> >> www.alliance21.org >> >> >> >> All Arab Peasants & Agricultural Co-operatives Union >> >> F76arab@... >> >> >> >> Associação Latino Americana de Organismos de Promoção (ALOP) >> >> info@... >> >> www.alop.or.cr >> >> >> >> Alternatives Information Center >> >> yahni@... >> >> www.alternativenews.org >> >> >> >> Alternatives >> >> alternatives@...< /a> >> >> www.alternatives.ca >> >> >> >> Alternative International >> >> www.alternatives.ca >> >> >> >> Alternatives Rússia >> >> dhrr@... >> >> >> >> Amigos da Terra/Friends of the Earth >> >> foe@... >> >> www.foei.org >> >> >> >> APRODEV >> >> aprodev@... >> >> www.aprodev.net >> >> >> >> Arab NGO Network for Development >> >> annd@... >> >> www.annd.org >> >> >> >> Asian Regional Exchange for New Alternatives (ARENA) >> >> arena@... >> >> www.asianexchange.org >> >> >> >> Articulación Feminista Marco Sur >> >> mujeresdelsur@... >> >> www.mujeresdelsur.org.uy >> >> >> >> Aliança Social Continental (ASC) >> >> sri_cut@... >> >> www.ascahsa.org >> >> >> >> Asemblea de los Pueblos del Caribe (APC) >> >> habitatcarib@..., pedroarg@... >> >> http://movimientos.org/caribe/ >> >> >> >> Assemblée Europeenne dês Citoyens >> >> cedetim@... >> >> www.cedetim.org/AEC >> >> >> >> Assembléia das Nações Unidas dos Povos >> >> flavio@... >> >> >> >> Associação para o Progresso das Comunicações >> >> anriette@... >> >> www.apc.org >> >> >> >> ATTAC- Brasil >> >> attacsaopaulo@... >> >> www.attac.org/brasil >> >> >> >> ATTAC France >> >> attac@... >> >> http://attac.org >> >> >> >> Babels >> >> wsfsm@... >> >> >> >> Bankwatch Network >> >> jozseff@... >> >> www.bankwatch.org >> >> >> >> Comité pour l’Annulation de la Dette du Tiers Monde (CADTM) >> >> cadtm@... >> >> http://users.skynet.be/cadtm >> >> >> >> Canadian Council >> >> Jdunn@... >> >> >> >> Coordinación Andina de Organizaciones Indigenas (CAOI) >> >> coordinadorandinacaoi@... >> >> www.minkandina.org >> >> >> >> Caritas Internacionalis >> >> caritas.internationalis@... >> >> www.caritas.org >> >> >> >> Comissão Brasileira de Justiça e Paz (CBJP ) >> >> intercom@... >> >> www.cbjp.org.br >> >> >> >> Consejo de Educación de Adultos de América Latina (CEAAL) >> >> ceaal@... >> >> www.ceaal.org >> >> >> >> CEDAR Internacional >> >> cedar@... >> >> www.cedarinternational.net >> >> >> >> Centre dEtudes et d Initiatives de Solidarité Internationale (CEDETIM) >> >> cedetim@... >> >> www.cedetim.org >> >> >> >> Central de Trabajadores Argentinos >> >> cta@... >> >> www.cta.org.ar >> >> >> >> European Trade Union Confederation (CES) >> >> etuc@... >> >> www.etuc.org >> >> >> >> CETRI >> >> cetri@... >> >> www.cetri.be >> >> >> >> CIDSE >> >> postmaster@... 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Nacional Indígena do México >> >> ceatl@... >> >> >> >> Conselho Mundial de Igrejas >> >> info@... >> >> www.wcc-coe.org >> >> >> >> Coordenación del Foro “El Otro Davos” >> >> Page2@... >> >> >> >> Coordenadora de Centrais Sindicais do Cone Sul >> >> eduardof@... >> >> http://www.sindicatomercosul.com.br/ >> >> >> >> Corpwatch >> >> corpwatch@... >> >> www.corpwatch.org >> >> >> >> Congress of South African Trade Unions (COSATU) >> >> cosatu@... >> >> www.cosatu.org.za >> >> >> >> Centre de Recherche et d´Information pour le Développment (CRID) >> >> info@... >> >> www.crid.asso.fr >> >> >> >> Confederación Sindical Internacional (CSI) >> >> claire.courteille@... >> >> http://www.ituc-csi.org >> >> >> >> Central Única dos Trabalhadores (CUT) >> >> sri-cut@... >> >> www.cut.org.br >> >> >> >> E-joussour >> >> www.e-joussour.net >> >> >> >> Encuentros Hemisféricos contra el ALCA >> >> joel@... >> >> >> >> ENDA >> >> taoufik@... >> >> www.enda.sn >> >> >> >> Euralat >> >> Criera@... >> >> >> >> Euromarches >> >> euromarches@... >> >> www.euromarches.org >> >> >> >> FAMES >> >> rabia@... >> >> >> >> Frente Continental de Organizações Comunitárias (FECOC) >> >> mlongoria@... >> >> >> >> Federación Mundial de Juventudes Democráticas >> >> wfdy@... >> >> www.wfdy.org >> >> >> >> Féderation démocratique internationale des femmes (FDIF) >> >> fdif@... >> >> www.fdif.eu.org >> >> >> >> Fundación per la Pau/International Peace Bureau (IPB) >> >> mailbox@... >> >> www.ipb.org >> >> >> >> Food First International Action Network (FIAN) >> >> fian@... >> >> www.fian.org >> >> >> >> Federeação Internacional Direitos Humanos (FIDH) >> >> rsanchez@... >> >> www.fidh.org >> >> >> >> Freedom Legality And Rights in Europe (FLARE) >> >> info@... >> >> www.flarenetwork.org >> >> >> >> Focus on the Global South >> >> admin@... >> >> http://focusweb.org >> >> >> >> Fondation Frantz Fanon >> >> http://frantzfanonfoundation-fondationfrantzfanon.com/ >> >> >> >> Forum des Organisations de Solidarité Internationale issues des >> >> Migrations (FORIM) >> >> forim@... >> >> forim@... >> >> >> >> Fórum Dakar >> >> Residel.kaolack@... >> >> >> >> Forum Mondial des Alternatives >> >> ftm@... >> >> www.alternatives-action.org/fma >> >> >> >> Forum of the Poors >> >> fopthai@... >> >> >> >> Fórum Social Italiano >> >> vagnoleto@... >> >> >> >> Foundation for Socio-Economic Justice (FSEJ) >> >> fsej@... >> >> >> >> General Union of Oil Employees in Southern Iraq >> >> Contact: Farouk M. Sadiq Ismaa'l >> >> 101small@... >> >> >> >> GLBT South-South Dialogue >> >> dialogo@... >> >> >> >> Global Commons Foundation >> >> www.www.globalcommonsfoundation.org >> >> >> >> Global Exchange >> >> admin@... >> >> www.globalexchange.org >> >> >> >> Global Policy Network >> >> gpn-listowner@... >> >> www.globalpolicynetwork.org >> >> >> >> Global Progressive Fórum >> >> info@... >> >> www.globalprogressiveforum.org >> >> >> >> Grassroots Global Justice >> >> ggj@... >> >> www.ggjalliance.org >> >> >> >> Greenpeace >> >> greenpeace.brazil@... >> >> http://www.greenpeace.org/ >> >> >> >> Grito dos Excluídos >> >> gritoexcluidos@... >> >> www.movimientos.org >> >> >> >> Grupo de Trabalho Amazônico >> >> www. gta.org.br >> >> >> >> Habitat Internation Coalition >> >> maite.martinez-pardo@... >> >> www.habitat-international-coalition.org >> >> >> >> Helsinki Citizens Assembly >> >> >> >> Herriak Aske >> >> international@... >> >> >> >> Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy (IATP) >> >> khoff@... >> >> www.iatp.org >> >> >> >> IBASE >> >> ibase@... >> >> www.ibase.br >> >> >> >> Conselho Internacional de Educação de Adultos (ICAE) >> >> icae@... >> >> http://www.icae.org.uy/spa/sindex.html >> >> >> >> International Federationof Alternative Trade (IFAT) >> >> info@... >> >> www.ifat.org >> >> >> >> International Forum on Globalization (IFG) >> >> ifg@... >> >> www.ifg.org >> >> >> >> International Alliance of Habitants >> >> info@... >> >> www.habitants.org >> >> >> >> International drama and education association (IDEA) >> >> www.idea-org.net >> >> >> >> International Gender and Trade Network >> >> secretariat@... >> >> www.igtn.org >> >> >> >> International Network of Street Papers (INSP) >> >> l.maclean@... >> >> irn@... >> >> www.irn.org >> >> >> >> International Sport and Culture Association (ISCA) >> >> info@... >> >> www.isca-web.org >> >> >> >> Instituto Paulo Freire >> >> ipf@... >> >> www.paulofreire.org >> >> >> >> Institut Panos Afrique de l’Ouest (IPAO) >> >> info@... >> >> www.panos-ao.org >> >> >> >> Inter Press Service (IPS) >> >> kosi@... >> >> www.ips.org >> >> >> >> Union of Arab Community Based Organisations(Ittijah) >> >> ittijah@... >> >> www.ittijah.org >> >> >> >> Jubilee South – Asia >> >> vinod.raina@... >> >> www.jubileesouth.org >> >> >> >> Jubileo South – África >> >> aidc@... >> >> www.jubileesouth.org >> >> >> >> Jubileu 2000 >> >> kitazawa@... >> >> >> >> Jubileu Sul América Latina >> >> keeneba@... >> >> www.jubileusul.hpg.com.br >> >> >> >> KCTU - Korean Confederation of Trade Unions >> >> inter@... >> >> www.kctu.org >> >> >> >> Kenya Debt Network >> >> sodnet@... >> >> >> >> KOPA >> >> kopa@... >> >> http://antiwto.jinbo.net/eroom/index.html >> >> >> >> Kurdish Network >> >> kurdishnetwork@... >> >> >> >> Land Research Action Network >> >> wellington@... >> >> >> >> May First/People Link >> >> info@... >> >> www.mayfirst.org >> >> >> >> Movimento dos Trabalhadores Sem Terra (MST) >> >> srimst@... >> >> www.mst.org.br >> >> >> >> Narmada >> >> subbu@... >> >> www.narmada.org >> >> >> >> National Network of Autonomous Women’s Groups >> >> shahnandita@... >> >> >> >> Network Institute for Global Democratization (NIGD) >> >> katarina@... >> >> www.nigd.org >> >> >> >> No Vox International >> >> no-vox@... >> >> www.no-vox.org >> >> >> >> North-South Centre >> >> Fifi.BENABOUD@... >> >> www.coe.int/T/E/North-South_Centre >> >> >> >> Continental Organization of Latin America and Caribbean Students >> (OCLAE) >> >> oclae@... >> >> www.oclae.org >> >> >> >> Organization of African Trade Unions Unity >> >> oatuu@... >> >> >> >> Organização Regional Interamericana de Trabalhadores (ORIT) >> >> info@... >> >> www.orit-ciosl.org >> >> >> >> Organization de la Jeunesse Africaine >> >> http://www.ojafrique.org/ >> >> >> >> OXFAM Internacional >> >> information@... >> >> www.oxfam.org >> >> >> >> Palestinian grassroots Anti-Apartheid Wall Campaign >> >> mobilize@... >> >> www.stopthewall.org >> >> >> >> Peace Boat >> >> y-nami@... >> >> www.peaceboat.org >> >> >> >> Peoples Health Movement >> >> secretariat@... >> >> http://www.phmovement.org >> >> >> >> Plataforma Interamericana de Derechos Humanos, Democracia y Desarrollo >> >> regional@... >> >> www.pidhdd.org >> >> >> >> PPEHRC – Poor People’s Economic Human Rights Campaign >> >> kwru@... >> >> www.economichumanrights.org >> >> www.kwru.org >> >> >> >> Projeto K >> >> Salvatore.cannavo@... >> >> ilpanelerose@... >> >> >> >> Public Citizen >> >> tgerson@... >> >> www.citizen.org >> >> >> >> Red Latinoamericana Mulheres Transformando a Economia >> >> mleon@... >> >> remte@... >> >> http://movimientos.org/remte >> >> >> >> Rede APM – Agricultures paysannes, sociétés et mondialisation >> >> pvuarin@... >> >> www.zooide.com/apm >> >> >> >> Rede CONSEU (Conferencia de Naciones sin Estado de Europa) >> >> activitats@... >> >> >> >> Rede Dawn de Mulheres >> >> dawn@... >> >> www.dawn.org.fj >> >> >> >> Rede de Solidariedade Ásia Pacífico >> >> intl@... >> >> >> >> Rede Latino-Americana e Caribenha de Mulheres Negras >> >> criola@... >> >> www.criola.ong.org >> >> >> >> Rede Mulher e Habitat >> >> gem@... >> >> http://www.redmujer.org.ar >> >> >> >> Rede Mundial de Mulheres pelos Direitos Reprodutivos >> >> office@... >> >> www.wgnrr.org >> >> >> >> Rede Palestina de ONGs >> >> bisanrd@... >> >> www.pngo.net >> >> >> >> Rede Social de Justiça e Direitos Humanos >> >> rede@... >> >> www.social.org.br >> >> >> >> Rede Transforme! >> >> elgauthi@... >> >> >> >> Redes Socioeconomia Solidaria >> >> creintjes@... >> >> www.reasnet.com >> >> >> >> Rede de Educação Popular entre Mulheres (REPEM) >> >> repem@... >> >> www.repem.org.uy >> >> >> >> Réseau Ouest Africain des Alternatives pour le Developpement (ROAD) >> >> jubilecad-mali@..., barryaminatou@... >> >> >> >> Southern Initiative on Globalisation and Trade Union Rights (SIGTUR) >> >> rlambert@... >> >> >> >> Social Movement Indaba >> >> >> >> Social Watch >> >> socwatch@... >> >> www.socialwatch.org >> >> >> >> Social Development Network (SODNET) >> >> sodnet@... >> >> http://www.sodnet.or.ke >> >> >> >> Solidar >> >> solidar@... >> >> www.solidar.org >> >> >> >> Solidarity Africa Network in Action >> >> njoki@... >> >> >> >> The International Federation Terre des Hommes (IFTDH) >> >> info@... >> >> www.terredeshommes.org >> >> >> >> Transnational Information Exchange (TIE) >> >> tie@... >> >> http://www.tie-brasil.org/tie.php >> >> >> >> Transnational Institute (TNI) >> >> tni@... >> >> www.tni.org >> >> >> >> Third World Network (TWN) >> >> twn@... >> >> www.twnside.org.sg >> >> >> >> UBUNTU - Foro Mundial de Redes de la Sociedad Civil >> >> ubuntu@... >> >> www.ubuntu.upc.es >> >> >> >> Union Internacional de Estudiantes >> >> ius@... >> >> www.ius-uie.org >> >> >> >> Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam Network >> >> vk-finland@... >> >> www.democracydialogues.org/ >> >> www.demokratiafoorumi.fi/wsf.html >> >> >> >> Via Campesina >> >> viacam@... >> >> http://ns.rds.org.hn/via/ >> >> >> >> World Association of Community Radio Broadcasters (Amarc) >> >> amarc@... >> >> http://www.amarc.org >> >> >> >> World March of Women >> >> www.ffq.qc.ca/marche2000/en/index.html >> >> dmatte@... >> >> >> >> Zanzibar International Film Festival Of Dhow >> >> Contato: Fatma ALLOO >> >> falloo@... >> >> >> >> Znet >> >> sysop@... >> >> www.zmag.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Observadores >> >> >> >> >> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Mundial de Educação >> >> >> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Africano >> >> taoufik@... >> >> >> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Américas >> >> fsmcontinental@... >> >> www.forosocialamericas.org >> >> >> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Europeu >> >> wsf@... >> >> www.fse-esf.org >> >> >> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Mediterrâneo >> >> activitats@... >> >> fsmedi@... >> >> >> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social de Migrações >> >> >> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Pan-Amazônico >> >> cri-pmb@... >> >> www.fspanamazonico.com.br >> >> >> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Tematico: Democracia, Direitos >> >> Humanos, Guerras e Narcotráfico >> >> forosocialtematico@... >> >> www.fsmt.org.co >> >> >> >> Funders Network on Trade & Globalization (FNTG) >> >> mark@... >> >> www.fntg.org >> >> >> >> Fórum Social São Paulo >> >> http://forumsocialsp.org.br >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Gustavo Massiah <massiah@...> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Dear Wilhermina >> >> > >> >> > we are with you in solidarity >> >> > and with all the workers of striking mine >> >> > >> >> > we are sure that social justice will be on the road of this >> fundamental >> >> > struggle >> >> > >> >> > In solidarity >> >> > >> >> > gustave massiah >> >> > representative of CRID at the IC of WSF >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Le 21/08/2012 16:51, Wilhelmina Trout WMW a écrit : >> >> > >> >> > Dear Gina >> >> > my sincerest apologies for not being present these past days in these >> >> > discussions, after my last task of sending you my notes. Thank you >> for >> >> > taking over & carrying the load. >> >> > >> >> > I am sure you, with the rest of the world, witnessed the recent >> killings >> >> > of >> >> > striking mine workers at the Lonmin Mine here in Marikane, it has >> >> > shocked >> >> > the world & here in South Africa we are trying to come to grips with >> the >> >> > loss of lives and to make sense of this brutality. >> >> > >> >> > But for now I will follow the discussions & continue participating >> >> > actively >> >> > in the group shortly. >> >> > >> >> > In solidarity >> >> > wilhelmina >> >> > >> >> > On 20 August 2012 22:41, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please >> respond as >> >> >> soon as posible >> >> >> >> >> >> amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por >> favor >> >> >> respondan pronto >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Gina >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> (Inglès: ver abajo) >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo! >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas >> reacciones >> >> >>> que >> >> >>> suscita. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos >> propuestas: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> - El protocol >> >> >>> >> >> >>> - El plan de trabajo >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere >> decir. >> >> >>> El >> >> >>> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro >> >> >>> grupo? >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las >> >> >>> responsabilidades? >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos, >> >> >>> seria >> >> >>> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen >> >> >>> razon. >> >> >>> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las >> >> >>> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los >> miembros >> >> >>> del CI >> >> >>> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria >> un >> >> >>> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo >> dudo … >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian >> que >> >> >>> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos? >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario? >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar … >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Esperando las noticias. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Francine >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the >> lack >> >> >>> of >> >> >>> reactions … >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> - Protocol >> >> >>> >> >> >>> - A working plan >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the >> >> >>> ‘rules of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect? >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with >> >> >>> responsibilities? >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different >> >> >>> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we >> have >> >> >>> to >> >> >>> avoid, I think. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege >> are >> >> >>> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all >> >> >>> messages >> >> >>> go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also >> is a >> >> >>> need >> >> >>> for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule >> be a >> >> >>> kind >> >> >>> of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing … >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the >> working-group to >> >> >>> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with >> >> >>> priority? >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire? >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help … >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Waiting for more news, >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Francine >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...] >> >> >>> Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01 >> >> >>> Aan: wg-about-future@... >> >> >>> Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro >> trabajo. >> >> >>> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can >> continue >> >> >>> working. Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have >> >> >>> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you >> that >> >> >>> know >> >> >>> both can check? >> >> >>> >> >> >>> besos >> >> >>> Gina >> >> >>> >> >> >>> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de >> >> >>> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list. >> >> >>> This is a prove to see if it functions. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Gina >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> -- >> >> >>> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345032103842 >> >> >>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >> >> >>> wg-about-future@.... 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Gina, thank you! i think this is perfect to start and i'm thrilled by the chance to work with winod and whoever wishes to join in! how long do we wait for people to join the four subgroups? gina gracias! esto me parece perfecto para iniciar y me encanta la idea de trabajar con vinod y cualquier persona mas! cual va a ser el tiempo adecuado para que tod@s se junten a los cuatro grupos? abrazos g On 27 August 2012 05:23, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote: > > Please see the attachments and we comunicate soon! > We have to organise also a team for traslation.! > > Por favor lean los adjuntos y nos comunicamos pronto > Y tenemos que organizar un equipo de traduccion! > > Gina > > > > > 2012/8/22 Jason Nardi <jason.nardi@...> > >> Hi Rita, >> >> I know... that's why also the institutional website badly needs to be >> updated altogether and we are waiting for some signal of life from Helio... >> since we already have discussed for a long time in the communication >> commission - as you know - to have a new portal website, collecting >> together all the functions and information needed for a modern >> communication. But apparently we cannot proceed unless "the office" says >> ok... >> Which brings up the issue of who is responsible for what and who takes >> decisions of this sort (I have raised this countless times in the IC). >> >> But I don't want to be polemic here ;-) >> >> ciao >> Jason >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:57 PM, rita freire <ritafreir@...> wrote: >> >>> Jason >>> This list is not mine, it is the list open in the institutional >>> website, wich needs to be updated >>> Rita >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Jason Nardi <jason.nardi@...> >>> wrote: >>> > Dear all, >>> > >>> > I've been following and read most of the messages up to now. I haven't >>> had >>> > time to write my contribution yet (I just came back from my summer >>> > vacation). But I'm happy to see that something is moving... >>> > >>> > I like Sara's approach and agree that we should have more frequent >>> online >>> > meetings. >>> > >>> > Rita - the list you sent is old, in fact very old. Is it possible to >>> have >>> > an updated one? In a short time? >>> > >>> > ciao from a very warm Italy >>> > Jason >>> > >>> > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:59 PM, rita freire <ritafreir@...> >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Agree >>> >> >>> >> Also the list of the IC members/organizations in this group, >>> >> If it can help, bellow you find the list of members of the IC >>> >> >>> >> Rita >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> 50 Years is Enough! >>> >> 50years@... >>> >> www.50years.org >>> >> >>> >> Associação Brasileira de ONGs (ABONG) >>> >> abong@... >>> >> www.abong.org.br >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Action Aid International (AAI) >>> >> mail.jhb@... >>> >> www.actionaid.org >>> >> >>> >> Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU) >>> >> mailbox@... >>> >> www.actu.asn.au >>> >> >>> >> American Federation of Labor-Congress of Industrial Organizations >>> >> (AFL-CIO) >>> >> feedback@... >>> >> www.aflcio.org/home.htm >>> >> >>> >> Africa Trade Network >>> >> aidc@... >>> >> http://africatradenetwork.com >>> >> >>> >> Alternative Information on Development Center (AIDC) >>> >> aidc@... >>> >> http://aidc.org.za >>> >> >>> >> Agencia Latinoamericana de Información (AIDC) >>> >> info@... >>> >> www.alainet.org >>> >> >>> >> Associação Latino Americana de Pequenos e Médios Empresários >>> (ALAMPYME) >>> >> apyme@... >>> >> www.apyme.com.ar >>> >> >>> >> Aliança Por Um Mundo Responsável e Solidário >>> >> lille@... >>> >> www.alliance21.org >>> >> >>> >> All Arab Peasants & Agricultural Co-operatives Union >>> >> F76arab@... >>> >> >>> >> Associação Latino Americana de Organismos de Promoção (ALOP) >>> >> info@... >>> >> www.alop.or.cr >>> >> >>> >> Alternatives Information Center >>> >> yahni@... >>> >> www.alternativenews.org >>> >> >>> >> Alternatives >>> >> alternatives@...< /a> >>> >> www.alternatives.ca >>> >> >>> >> Alternative International >>> >> www.alternatives.ca >>> >> >>> >> Alternatives Rússia >>> >> dhrr@... >>> >> >>> >> Amigos da Terra/Friends of the Earth >>> >> foe@... >>> >> www.foei.org >>> >> >>> >> APRODEV >>> >> aprodev@... >>> >> www.aprodev.net >>> >> >>> >> Arab NGO Network for Development >>> >> annd@... >>> >> www.annd.org >>> >> >>> >> Asian Regional Exchange for New Alternatives (ARENA) >>> >> arena@... >>> >> www.asianexchange.org >>> >> >>> >> Articulación Feminista Marco Sur >>> >> mujeresdelsur@... >>> >> www.mujeresdelsur.org.uy >>> >> >>> >> Aliança Social Continental (ASC) >>> >> sri_cut@... >>> >> www.ascahsa.org >>> >> >>> >> Asemblea de los Pueblos del Caribe (APC) >>> >> habitatcarib@..., pedroarg@... >>> >> http://movimientos.org/caribe/ >>> >> >>> >> Assemblée Europeenne dês Citoyens >>> >> cedetim@... >>> >> www.cedetim.org/AEC >>> >> >>> >> Assembléia das Nações Unidas dos Povos >>> >> flavio@... >>> >> >>> >> Associação para o Progresso das Comunicações >>> >> anriette@... >>> >> www.apc.org >>> >> >>> >> ATTAC- Brasil >>> >> attacsaopaulo@... >>> >> www.attac.org/brasil >>> >> >>> >> ATTAC France >>> >> attac@... >>> >> http://attac.org >>> >> >>> >> Babels >>> >> wsfsm@... >>> >> >>> >> Bankwatch Network >>> >> jozseff@... >>> >> www.bankwatch.org >>> >> >>> >> Comité pour l’Annulation de la Dette du Tiers Monde (CADTM) >>> >> cadtm@... >>> >> http://users.skynet.be/cadtm >>> >> >>> >> Canadian Council >>> >> Jdunn@... >>> >> >>> >> Coordinación Andina de Organizaciones Indigenas (CAOI) >>> >> coordinadorandinacaoi@... >>> >> www.minkandina.org >>> >> >>> >> Caritas Internacionalis >>> >> caritas.internationalis@... >>> >> www.caritas.org >>> >> >>> >> Comissão Brasileira de Justiça e Paz (CBJP ) >>> >> intercom@... >>> >> www.cbjp.org.br >>> >> >>> >> Consejo de Educación de Adultos de América Latina (CEAAL) >>> >> ceaal@... >>> >> www.ceaal.org >>> >> >>> >> CEDAR Internacional >>> >> cedar@... >>> >> www.cedarinternational.net >>> >> >>> >> Centre dEtudes et d Initiatives de Solidarité Internationale (CEDETIM) >>> >> cedetim@... >>> >> www.cedetim.org >>> >> >>> >> Central de Trabajadores Argentinos >>> >> cta@... >>> >> www.cta.org.ar >>> >> >>> >> European Trade Union Confederation (CES) >>> >> etuc@... >>> >> www.etuc.org >>> >> >>> >> CETRI >>> >> cetri@... >>> >> www.cetri.be >>> >> >>> >> CIDSE >>> >> postmaster@... >>> >> www.cidse.org >>> >> >>> >> Confederação Internacional de Organizações Sindicais Livres (CIOSL) >>> >> internetpo@... >>> >> www.cioslorit.org >>> >> >>> >> Ciranda Internacional da Comunicação Compatilhada >>> >> ciranda@... >>> >> www.ciranda.net >>> >> >>> >> CIVES >>> >> cives@... >>> >> www.cives.org.br >>> >> >>> >> Conselho Latino Americano de Ciências Sociais (CLACSO) >>> >> clacsofsm@... >>> >> www.clacso.org >>> >> >>> >> Canadian Labour Congress (CLC) >>> >> sbenedict@... >>> >> www.clc-ctc.ca >>> >> >>> >> Confederação Mundial do Trabalho (CMT) >>> >> info@... >>> >> www.cmt-wcl.org >>> >> >>> >> Coalición Internacional para el Hábitat >>> >> hic-al@... >>> >> http://www.hic-net.org/ >>> >> >>> >> Coligação para a Justiça Econômica >>> >> viriatot@... >>> >> >>> >> Convergência de los Movimientos de los Pueblos de las Américas (COMPA) >>> >> colectivoredom_@... >>> >> rgf@... >>> >> http://www.sitiocompa.org/compa/index.php >>> >> >>> >> CONAIE >>> >> info@... >>> >> http://conaie.org >>> >> >>> >> Congresso Nacional Indígena do México >>> >> ceatl@... >>> >> >>> >> Conselho Mundial de Igrejas >>> >> info@... >>> >> www.wcc-coe.org >>> >> >>> >> Coordenación del Foro “El Otro Davos” >>> >> Page2@... >>> >> >>> >> Coordenadora de Centrais Sindicais do Cone Sul >>> >> eduardof@... >>> >> http://www.sindicatomercosul.com.br/ >>> >> >>> >> Corpwatch >>> >> corpwatch@... >>> >> www.corpwatch.org >>> >> >>> >> Congress of South African Trade Unions (COSATU) >>> >> cosatu@... >>> >> www.cosatu.org.za >>> >> >>> >> Centre de Recherche et d´Information pour le Développment (CRID) >>> >> info@... >>> >> www.crid.asso.fr >>> >> >>> >> Confederación Sindical Internacional (CSI) >>> >> claire.courteille@... >>> >> http://www.ituc-csi.org >>> >> >>> >> Central Única dos Trabalhadores (CUT) >>> >> sri-cut@... >>> >> www.cut.org.br >>> >> >>> >> E-joussour >>> >> www.e-joussour.net >>> >> >>> >> Encuentros Hemisféricos contra el ALCA >>> >> joel@... >>> >> >>> >> ENDA >>> >> taoufik@... >>> >> www.enda.sn >>> >> >>> >> Euralat >>> >> Criera@... >>> >> >>> >> Euromarches >>> >> euromarches@... >>> >> www.euromarches.org >>> >> >>> >> FAMES >>> >> rabia@... >>> >> >>> >> Frente Continental de Organizações Comunitárias (FECOC) >>> >> mlongoria@... >>> >> >>> >> Federación Mundial de Juventudes Democráticas >>> >> wfdy@... >>> >> www.wfdy.org >>> >> >>> >> Féderation démocratique internationale des femmes (FDIF) >>> >> fdif@... >>> >> www.fdif.eu.org >>> >> >>> >> Fundación per la Pau/International Peace Bureau (IPB) >>> >> mailbox@... >>> >> www.ipb.org >>> >> >>> >> Food First International Action Network (FIAN) >>> >> fian@... >>> >> www.fian.org >>> >> >>> >> Federeação Internacional Direitos Humanos (FIDH) >>> >> rsanchez@... >>> >> www.fidh.org >>> >> >>> >> Freedom Legality And Rights in Europe (FLARE) >>> >> info@... >>> >> www.flarenetwork.org >>> >> >>> >> Focus on the Global South >>> >> admin@... >>> >> http://focusweb.org >>> >> >>> >> Fondation Frantz Fanon >>> >> http://frantzfanonfoundation-fondationfrantzfanon.com/ >>> >> >>> >> Forum des Organisations de Solidarité Internationale issues des >>> >> Migrations (FORIM) >>> >> forim@... >>> >> forim@... >>> >> >>> >> Fórum Dakar >>> >> Residel.kaolack@... >>> >> >>> >> Forum Mondial des Alternatives >>> >> ftm@... >>> >> www.alternatives-action.org/fma >>> >> >>> >> Forum of the Poors >>> >> fopthai@... >>> >> >>> >> Fórum Social Italiano >>> >> vagnoleto@... >>> >> >>> >> Foundation for Socio-Economic Justice (FSEJ) >>> >> fsej@... >>> >> >>> >> General Union of Oil Employees in Southern Iraq >>> >> Contact: Farouk M. Sadiq Ismaa'l >>> >> 101small@... >>> >> >>> >> GLBT South-South Dialogue >>> >> dialogo@... >>> >> >>> >> Global Commons Foundation >>> >> www.www.globalcommonsfoundation.org >>> >> >>> >> Global Exchange >>> >> admin@... >>> >> www.globalexchange.org >>> >> >>> >> Global Policy Network >>> >> gpn-listowner@... >>> >> www.globalpolicynetwork.org >>> >> >>> >> Global Progressive Fórum >>> >> info@... >>> >> www.globalprogressiveforum.org >>> >> >>> >> Grassroots Global Justice >>> >> ggj@... >>> >> www.ggjalliance.org >>> >> >>> >> Greenpeace >>> >> greenpeace.brazil@... >>> >> http://www.greenpeace.org/ >>> >> >>> >> Grito dos Excluídos >>> >> gritoexcluidos@... >>> >> www.movimientos.org >>> >> >>> >> Grupo de Trabalho Amazônico >>> >> www. gta.org.br >>> >> >>> >> Habitat Internation Coalition >>> >> maite.martinez-pardo@... >>> >> www.habitat-international-coalition.org >>> >> >>> >> Helsinki Citizens Assembly >>> >> >>> >> Herriak Aske >>> >> international@... >>> >> >>> >> Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy (IATP) >>> >> khoff@... >>> >> www.iatp.org >>> >> >>> >> IBASE >>> >> ibase@... >>> >> www.ibase.br >>> >> >>> >> Conselho Internacional de Educação de Adultos (ICAE) >>> >> icae@... >>> >> http://www.icae.org.uy/spa/sindex.html >>> >> >>> >> International Federationof Alternative Trade (IFAT) >>> >> info@... >>> >> www.ifat.org >>> >> >>> >> International Forum on Globalization (IFG) >>> >> ifg@... >>> >> www.ifg.org >>> >> >>> >> International Alliance of Habitants >>> >> info@... >>> >> www.habitants.org >>> >> >>> >> International drama and education association (IDEA) >>> >> www.idea-org.net >>> >> >>> >> International Gender and Trade Network >>> >> secretariat@... >>> >> www.igtn.org >>> >> >>> >> International Network of Street Papers (INSP) >>> >> l.maclean@... >>> >> irn@... >>> >> www.irn.org >>> >> >>> >> International Sport and Culture Association (ISCA) >>> >> info@... >>> >> www.isca-web.org >>> >> >>> >> Instituto Paulo Freire >>> >> ipf@... >>> >> www.paulofreire.org >>> >> >>> >> Institut Panos Afrique de l’Ouest (IPAO) >>> >> info@... >>> >> www.panos-ao.org >>> >> >>> >> Inter Press Service (IPS) >>> >> kosi@... >>> >> www.ips.org >>> >> >>> >> Union of Arab Community Based Organisations(Ittijah) >>> >> ittijah@... >>> >> www.ittijah.org >>> >> >>> >> Jubilee South – Asia >>> >> vinod.raina@... >>> >> www.jubileesouth.org >>> >> >>> >> Jubileo South – África >>> >> aidc@... >>> >> www.jubileesouth.org >>> >> >>> >> Jubileu 2000 >>> >> kitazawa@... >>> >> >>> >> Jubileu Sul América Latina >>> >> keeneba@... >>> >> www.jubileusul.hpg.com.br >>> >> >>> >> KCTU - Korean Confederation of Trade Unions >>> >> inter@... >>> >> www.kctu.org >>> >> >>> >> Kenya Debt Network >>> >> sodnet@... >>> >> >>> >> KOPA >>> >> kopa@... >>> >> http://antiwto.jinbo.net/eroom/index.html >>> >> >>> >> Kurdish Network >>> >> kurdishnetwork@... >>> >> >>> >> Land Research Action Network >>> >> wellington@... >>> >> >>> >> May First/People Link >>> >> info@... >>> >> www.mayfirst.org >>> >> >>> >> Movimento dos Trabalhadores Sem Terra (MST) >>> >> srimst@... >>> >> www.mst.org.br >>> >> >>> >> Narmada >>> >> subbu@... >>> >> www.narmada.org >>> >> >>> >> National Network of Autonomous Women’s Groups >>> >> shahnandita@... >>> >> >>> >> Network Institute for Global Democratization (NIGD) >>> >> katarina@... >>> >> www.nigd.org >>> >> >>> >> No Vox International >>> >> no-vox@... >>> >> www.no-vox.org >>> >> >>> >> North-South Centre >>> >> Fifi.BENABOUD@... >>> >> www.coe.int/T/E/North-South_Centre >>> >> >>> >> Continental Organization of Latin America and Caribbean Students >>> (OCLAE) >>> >> oclae@... >>> >> www.oclae.org >>> >> >>> >> Organization of African Trade Unions Unity >>> >> oatuu@... >>> >> >>> >> Organização Regional Interamericana de Trabalhadores (ORIT) >>> >> info@... >>> >> www.orit-ciosl.org >>> >> >>> >> Organization de la Jeunesse Africaine >>> >> http://www.ojafrique.org/ >>> >> >>> >> OXFAM Internacional >>> >> information@... >>> >> www.oxfam.org >>> >> >>> >> Palestinian grassroots Anti-Apartheid Wall Campaign >>> >> mobilize@... >>> >> www.stopthewall.org >>> >> >>> >> Peace Boat >>> >> y-nami@... >>> >> www.peaceboat.org >>> >> >>> >> Peoples Health Movement >>> >> secretariat@... >>> >> http://www.phmovement.org >>> >> >>> >> Plataforma Interamericana de Derechos Humanos, Democracia y Desarrollo >>> >> regional@... >>> >> www.pidhdd.org >>> >> >>> >> PPEHRC – Poor People’s Economic Human Rights Campaign >>> >> kwru@... >>> >> www.economichumanrights.org >>> >> www.kwru.org >>> >> >>> >> Projeto K >>> >> Salvatore.cannavo@... >>> >> ilpanelerose@... >>> >> >>> >> Public Citizen >>> >> tgerson@... >>> >> www.citizen.org >>> >> >>> >> Red Latinoamericana Mulheres Transformando a Economia >>> >> mleon@... >>> >> remte@... >>> >> http://movimientos.org/remte >>> >> >>> >> Rede APM – Agricultures paysannes, sociétés et mondialisation >>> >> pvuarin@... >>> >> www.zooide.com/apm >>> >> >>> >> Rede CONSEU (Conferencia de Naciones sin Estado de Europa) >>> >> activitats@... >>> >> >>> >> Rede Dawn de Mulheres >>> >> dawn@... >>> >> www.dawn.org.fj >>> >> >>> >> Rede de Solidariedade Ásia Pacífico >>> >> intl@... >>> >> >>> >> Rede Latino-Americana e Caribenha de Mulheres Negras >>> >> criola@... >>> >> www.criola.ong.org >>> >> >>> >> Rede Mulher e Habitat >>> >> gem@... >>> >> http://www.redmujer.org.ar >>> >> >>> >> Rede Mundial de Mulheres pelos Direitos Reprodutivos >>> >> office@... >>> >> www.wgnrr.org >>> >> >>> >> Rede Palestina de ONGs >>> >> bisanrd@... >>> >> www.pngo.net >>> >> >>> >> Rede Social de Justiça e Direitos Humanos >>> >> rede@... >>> >> www.social.org.br >>> >> >>> >> Rede Transforme! >>> >> elgauthi@... >>> >> >>> >> Redes Socioeconomia Solidaria >>> >> creintjes@... >>> >> www.reasnet.com >>> >> >>> >> Rede de Educação Popular entre Mulheres (REPEM) >>> >> repem@... >>> >> www.repem.org.uy >>> >> >>> >> Réseau Ouest Africain des Alternatives pour le Developpement (ROAD) >>> >> jubilecad-mali@..., barryaminatou@... >>> >> >>> >> Southern Initiative on Globalisation and Trade Union Rights (SIGTUR) >>> >> rlambert@... >>> >> >>> >> Social Movement Indaba >>> >> >>> >> Social Watch >>> >> socwatch@... >>> >> www.socialwatch.org >>> >> >>> >> Social Development Network (SODNET) >>> >> sodnet@... >>> >> http://www.sodnet.or.ke >>> >> >>> >> Solidar >>> >> solidar@... >>> >> www.solidar.org >>> >> >>> >> Solidarity Africa Network in Action >>> >> njoki@... >>> >> >>> >> The International Federation Terre des Hommes (IFTDH) >>> >> info@... >>> >> www.terredeshommes.org >>> >> >>> >> Transnational Information Exchange (TIE) >>> >> tie@... >>> >> http://www.tie-brasil.org/tie.php >>> >> >>> >> Transnational Institute (TNI) >>> >> tni@... >>> >> www.tni.org >>> >> >>> >> Third World Network (TWN) >>> >> twn@... >>> >> www.twnside.org.sg >>> >> >>> >> UBUNTU - Foro Mundial de Redes de la Sociedad Civil >>> >> ubuntu@... >>> >> www.ubuntu.upc.es >>> >> >>> >> Union Internacional de Estudiantes >>> >> ius@... >>> >> www.ius-uie.org >>> >> >>> >> Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam Network >>> >> vk-finland@... >>> >> www.democracydialogues.org/ >>> >> www.demokratiafoorumi.fi/wsf.html >>> >> >>> >> Via Campesina >>> >> viacam@... >>> >> http://ns.rds.org.hn/via/ >>> >> >>> >> World Association of Community Radio Broadcasters (Amarc) >>> >> amarc@... >>> >> http://www.amarc.org >>> >> >>> >> World March of Women >>> >> www.ffq.qc.ca/marche2000/en/index.html >>> >> dmatte@... >>> >> >>> >> Zanzibar International Film Festival Of Dhow >>> >> Contato: Fatma ALLOO >>> >> falloo@... >>> >> >>> >> Znet >>> >> sysop@... >>> >> www.zmag.org >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Observadores >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Mundial de Educação >>> >> >>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Africano >>> >> taoufik@... >>> >> >>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Américas >>> >> fsmcontinental@... >>> >> www.forosocialamericas.org >>> >> >>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Europeu >>> >> wsf@... >>> >> www.fse-esf.org >>> >> >>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Mediterrâneo >>> >> activitats@... >>> >> fsmedi@... >>> >> >>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social de Migrações >>> >> >>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Pan-Amazônico >>> >> cri-pmb@... >>> >> www.fspanamazonico.com.br >>> >> >>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Tematico: Democracia, Direitos >>> >> Humanos, Guerras e Narcotráfico >>> >> forosocialtematico@... >>> >> www.fsmt.org.co >>> >> >>> >> Funders Network on Trade & Globalization (FNTG) >>> >> mark@... >>> >> www.fntg.org >>> >> >>> >> Fórum Social São Paulo >>> >> http://forumsocialsp.org.br >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Gustavo Massiah <massiah@...> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> > Dear Wilhermina >>> >> > >>> >> > we are with you in solidarity >>> >> > and with all the workers of striking mine >>> >> > >>> >> > we are sure that social justice will be on the road of this >>> fundamental >>> >> > struggle >>> >> > >>> >> > In solidarity >>> >> > >>> >> > gustave massiah >>> >> > representative of CRID at the IC of WSF >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > Le 21/08/2012 16:51, Wilhelmina Trout WMW a écrit : >>> >> > >>> >> > Dear Gina >>> >> > my sincerest apologies for not being present these past days in >>> these >>> >> > discussions, after my last task of sending you my notes. Thank you >>> for >>> >> > taking over & carrying the load. >>> >> > >>> >> > I am sure you, with the rest of the world, witnessed the recent >>> killings >>> >> > of >>> >> > striking mine workers at the Lonmin Mine here in Marikane, it has >>> >> > shocked >>> >> > the world & here in South Africa we are trying to come to grips >>> with the >>> >> > loss of lives and to make sense of this brutality. >>> >> > >>> >> > But for now I will follow the discussions & continue participating >>> >> > actively >>> >> > in the group shortly. >>> >> > >>> >> > In solidarity >>> >> > wilhelmina >>> >> > >>> >> > On 20 August 2012 22:41, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please >>> respond as >>> >> >> soon as posible >>> >> >> >>> >> >> amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por >>> favor >>> >> >> respondan pronto >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Gina >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> (Inglès: ver abajo) >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo! >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas >>> reacciones >>> >> >>> que >>> >> >>> suscita. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos >>> propuestas: >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> - El protocol >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> - El plan de trabajo >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere >>> decir. >>> >> >>> El >>> >> >>> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro >>> >> >>> grupo? >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las >>> >> >>> responsabilidades? >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos, >>> >> >>> seria >>> >> >>> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen >>> >> >>> razon. >>> >> >>> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas >>> las >>> >> >>> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los >>> miembros >>> >> >>> del CI >>> >> >>> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, >>> seria un >>> >> >>> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo >>> dudo … >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian >>> que >>> >> >>> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos? >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario? >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar … >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Esperando las noticias. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Francine >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the >>> lack >>> >> >>> of >>> >> >>> reactions … >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two >>> proposals: >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> - Protocol >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> - A working plan >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of >>> the >>> >> >>> ‘rules of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect? >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with >>> >> >>> responsibilities? >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different >>> >> >>> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we >>> have >>> >> >>> to >>> >> >>> avoid, I think. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege >>> are >>> >> >>> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if >>> all >>> >> >>> messages >>> >> >>> go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also >>> is a >>> >> >>> need >>> >> >>> for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule >>> be a >>> >> >>> kind >>> >> >>> of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing >>> … >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the >>> working-group to >>> >> >>> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with >>> >> >>> priority? >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire? >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help … >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Waiting for more news, >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Francine >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...] >>> >> >>> Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01 >>> >> >>> Aan: wg-about-future@... >>> >> >>> Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro >>> trabajo. >>> >> >>> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can >>> continue >>> >> >>> working. Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I >>> have >>> >> >>> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you >>> that >>> >> >>> know >>> >> >>> both can check? >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> besos >>> >> >>> Gina >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de >>> >> >>> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this >>> list. >>> >> >>> This is a prove to see if it functions. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Gina >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> -- >>> >> >>> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345032103842 >>> >> >>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >>> >> >>> wg-about-future@.... 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Dear Jason, As you might remember, the person so far responsable for the website no longer works in the office since january - and NO SINGLE solution or alternative was taken to replace her or think on another way of managing the institutional communication (as well as many other tasks...). It is completely out of sense to think that a complex process like the WSF and the IC dynamics could be supported by an office composed by one only person, with almost no collaboration from the process itself - except from a few but active people from the IC that have been trying hard to give me a hand and accomplish the tasks. The IC is in a moment of deep reflexion to reestructure itself, and certainly the role and responsabilities of the office should be an issue on its agenda - so, in this sense, I completely agree with you that the issue of who is responsable for what should again be brought up. What I dont understand at all in your message is the phrase "apparenty we cannot proceed unless "the office" says ok..." - what kind of "ok" should "the office" adress to you or any instance of the process? (I dont understant either what these quotation marks means... are they only for ironic purposes?). Does it make any sense externalizing responsabilities instead of recognizing the difficulties that all instances of the IC have, due to different reasons (and these are not only because of financial problems), of achieving its goals? So, please, lets work in the same sense of collective responsabilities that the WSF proclains, trying to bring up solutions and alternatives to the problems we *collectively* face - specially the issue of the website, which necessity of renewal has been pointed by all my communicators-colleagues in the office several times (Thaís, Vânia, Mariana, Thiago...), but again no solution was taken by the IC. It is not a surprise that no one works for a long period in the office... all the best, -- Hélio Menezes WSF Office / Escritório do FSM +55 11 3258 8914 www.forumsocialmundial.org.br 2012/8/27 Giuseppe Caruso <giu.caruso@...> > Gina, thank you! i think this is perfect to start and i'm thrilled by the > chance to work with winod and whoever wishes to join in! > > how long do we wait for people to join the four subgroups? > > gina gracias! esto me parece perfecto para iniciar y me encanta la idea de > trabajar con vinod y cualquier persona mas! > > cual va a ser el tiempo adecuado para que tod@s se junten a los cuatro > grupos? > > abrazos > g > > > On 27 August 2012 05:23, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote: > >> >> Please see the attachments and we comunicate soon! >> We have to organise also a team for traslation.! >> >> Por favor lean los adjuntos y nos comunicamos pronto >> Y tenemos que organizar un equipo de traduccion! >> >> Gina >> >> >> >> >> 2012/8/22 Jason Nardi <jason.nardi@...> >> >>> Hi Rita, >>> >>> I know... that's why also the institutional website badly needs to be >>> updated altogether and we are waiting for some signal of life from Helio... >>> since we already have discussed for a long time in the communication >>> commission - as you know - to have a new portal website, collecting >>> together all the functions and information needed for a modern >>> communication. But apparently we cannot proceed unless "the office" says >>> ok... >>> Which brings up the issue of who is responsible for what and who takes >>> decisions of this sort (I have raised this countless times in the IC). >>> >>> But I don't want to be polemic here ;-) >>> >>> ciao >>> Jason >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:57 PM, rita freire <ritafreir@...>wrote: >>> >>>> Jason >>>> This list is not mine, it is the list open in the institutional >>>> website, wich needs to be updated >>>> Rita >>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Jason Nardi <jason.nardi@...> >>>> wrote: >>>> > Dear all, >>>> > >>>> > I've been following and read most of the messages up to now. I >>>> haven't had >>>> > time to write my contribution yet (I just came back from my summer >>>> > vacation). But I'm happy to see that something is moving... >>>> > >>>> > I like Sara's approach and agree that we should have more frequent >>>> online >>>> > meetings. >>>> > >>>> > Rita - the list you sent is old, in fact very old. Is it possible to >>>> have >>>> > an updated one? In a short time? >>>> > >>>> > ciao from a very warm Italy >>>> > Jason >>>> > >>>> > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:59 PM, rita freire <ritafreir@...> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Agree >>>> >> >>>> >> Also the list of the IC members/organizations in this group, >>>> >> If it can help, bellow you find the list of members of the IC >>>> >> >>>> >> Rita >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> 50 Years is Enough! >>>> >> 50years@... >>>> >> www.50years.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Associação Brasileira de ONGs (ABONG) >>>> >> abong@... >>>> >> www.abong.org.br >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Action Aid International (AAI) >>>> >> mail.jhb@... >>>> >> www.actionaid.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU) >>>> >> mailbox@... >>>> >> www.actu.asn.au >>>> >> >>>> >> American Federation of Labor-Congress of Industrial Organizations >>>> >> (AFL-CIO) >>>> >> feedback@... >>>> >> www.aflcio.org/home.htm >>>> >> >>>> >> Africa Trade Network >>>> >> aidc@... >>>> >> http://africatradenetwork.com >>>> >> >>>> >> Alternative Information on Development Center (AIDC) >>>> >> aidc@... >>>> >> http://aidc.org.za >>>> >> >>>> >> Agencia Latinoamericana de Información (AIDC) >>>> >> info@... >>>> >> www.alainet.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Associação Latino Americana de Pequenos e Médios Empresários >>>> (ALAMPYME) >>>> >> apyme@... >>>> >> www.apyme.com.ar >>>> >> >>>> >> Aliança Por Um Mundo Responsável e Solidário >>>> >> lille@... >>>> >> www.alliance21.org >>>> >> >>>> >> All Arab Peasants & Agricultural Co-operatives Union >>>> >> F76arab@... >>>> >> >>>> >> Associação Latino Americana de Organismos de Promoção (ALOP) >>>> >> info@... >>>> >> www.alop.or.cr >>>> >> >>>> >> Alternatives Information Center >>>> >> yahni@... >>>> >> www.alternativenews.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Alternatives >>>> >> alternatives@...< /a> >>>> >> www.alternatives.ca >>>> >> >>>> >> Alternative International >>>> >> www.alternatives.ca >>>> >> >>>> >> Alternatives Rússia >>>> >> dhrr@... >>>> >> >>>> >> Amigos da Terra/Friends of the Earth >>>> >> foe@... >>>> >> www.foei.org >>>> >> >>>> >> APRODEV >>>> >> aprodev@... >>>> >> www.aprodev.net >>>> >> >>>> >> Arab NGO Network for Development >>>> >> annd@... >>>> >> www.annd.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Asian Regional Exchange for New Alternatives (ARENA) >>>> >> arena@... >>>> >> www.asianexchange.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Articulación Feminista Marco Sur >>>> >> mujeresdelsur@... >>>> >> www.mujeresdelsur.org.uy >>>> >> >>>> >> Aliança Social Continental (ASC) >>>> >> sri_cut@... >>>> >> www.ascahsa.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Asemblea de los Pueblos del Caribe (APC) >>>> >> habitatcarib@..., pedroarg@... >>>> >> http://movimientos.org/caribe/ >>>> >> >>>> >> Assemblée Europeenne dês Citoyens >>>> >> cedetim@... >>>> >> www.cedetim.org/AEC >>>> >> >>>> >> Assembléia das Nações Unidas dos Povos >>>> >> flavio@... >>>> >> >>>> >> Associação para o Progresso das Comunicações >>>> >> anriette@... >>>> >> www.apc.org >>>> >> >>>> >> ATTAC- Brasil >>>> >> attacsaopaulo@... >>>> >> www.attac.org/brasil >>>> >> >>>> >> ATTAC France >>>> >> attac@... >>>> >> http://attac.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Babels >>>> >> wsfsm@... >>>> >> >>>> >> Bankwatch Network >>>> >> jozseff@... >>>> >> www.bankwatch.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Comité pour l’Annulation de la Dette du Tiers Monde (CADTM) >>>> >> cadtm@... >>>> >> http://users.skynet.be/cadtm >>>> >> >>>> >> Canadian Council >>>> >> Jdunn@... >>>> >> >>>> >> Coordinación Andina de Organizaciones Indigenas (CAOI) >>>> >> coordinadorandinacaoi@... >>>> >> www.minkandina.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Caritas Internacionalis >>>> >> caritas.internationalis@... >>>> >> www.caritas.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Comissão Brasileira de Justiça e Paz (CBJP ) >>>> >> intercom@... >>>> >> www.cbjp.org.br >>>> >> >>>> >> Consejo de Educación de Adultos de América Latina (CEAAL) >>>> >> ceaal@... >>>> >> www.ceaal.org >>>> >> >>>> >> CEDAR Internacional >>>> >> cedar@... >>>> >> www.cedarinternational.net >>>> >> >>>> >> Centre dEtudes et d Initiatives de Solidarité Internationale >>>> (CEDETIM) >>>> >> cedetim@... >>>> >> www.cedetim.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Central de Trabajadores Argentinos >>>> >> cta@... >>>> >> www.cta.org.ar >>>> >> >>>> >> European Trade Union Confederation (CES) >>>> >> etuc@... >>>> >> www.etuc.org >>>> >> >>>> >> CETRI >>>> >> cetri@... >>>> >> www.cetri.be >>>> >> >>>> >> CIDSE >>>> >> postmaster@... >>>> >> www.cidse.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Confederação Internacional de Organizações Sindicais Livres (CIOSL) >>>> >> internetpo@... >>>> >> www.cioslorit.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Ciranda Internacional da Comunicação Compatilhada >>>> >> ciranda@... >>>> >> www.ciranda.net >>>> >> >>>> >> CIVES >>>> >> cives@... >>>> >> www.cives.org.br >>>> >> >>>> >> Conselho Latino Americano de Ciências Sociais (CLACSO) >>>> >> clacsofsm@... >>>> >> www.clacso.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Canadian Labour Congress (CLC) >>>> >> sbenedict@... >>>> >> www.clc-ctc.ca >>>> >> >>>> >> Confederação Mundial do Trabalho (CMT) >>>> >> info@... >>>> >> www.cmt-wcl.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Coalición Internacional para el Hábitat >>>> >> hic-al@... >>>> >> http://www.hic-net.org/ >>>> >> >>>> >> Coligação para a Justiça Econômica >>>> >> viriatot@... >>>> >> >>>> >> Convergência de los Movimientos de los Pueblos de las Américas >>>> (COMPA) >>>> >> colectivoredom_@... >>>> >> rgf@... >>>> >> http://www.sitiocompa.org/compa/index.php >>>> >> >>>> >> CONAIE >>>> >> info@... >>>> >> http://conaie.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Congresso Nacional Indígena do México >>>> >> ceatl@... >>>> >> >>>> >> Conselho Mundial de Igrejas >>>> >> info@... >>>> >> www.wcc-coe.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Coordenación del Foro “El Otro Davos” >>>> >> Page2@... >>>> >> >>>> >> Coordenadora de Centrais Sindicais do Cone Sul >>>> >> eduardof@... >>>> >> http://www.sindicatomercosul.com.br/ >>>> >> >>>> >> Corpwatch >>>> >> corpwatch@... >>>> >> www.corpwatch.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Congress of South African Trade Unions (COSATU) >>>> >> cosatu@... >>>> >> www.cosatu.org.za >>>> >> >>>> >> Centre de Recherche et d´Information pour le Développment (CRID) >>>> >> info@... >>>> >> www.crid.asso.fr >>>> >> >>>> >> Confederación Sindical Internacional (CSI) >>>> >> claire.courteille@... >>>> >> http://www.ituc-csi.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Central Única dos Trabalhadores (CUT) >>>> >> sri-cut@... >>>> >> www.cut.org.br >>>> >> >>>> >> E-joussour >>>> >> www.e-joussour.net >>>> >> >>>> >> Encuentros Hemisféricos contra el ALCA >>>> >> joel@... >>>> >> >>>> >> ENDA >>>> >> taoufik@... >>>> >> www.enda.sn >>>> >> >>>> >> Euralat >>>> >> Criera@... >>>> >> >>>> >> Euromarches >>>> >> euromarches@... >>>> >> www.euromarches.org >>>> >> >>>> >> FAMES >>>> >> rabia@... >>>> >> >>>> >> Frente Continental de Organizações Comunitárias (FECOC) >>>> >> mlongoria@... >>>> >> >>>> >> Federación Mundial de Juventudes Democráticas >>>> >> wfdy@... >>>> >> www.wfdy.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Féderation démocratique internationale des femmes (FDIF) >>>> >> fdif@... >>>> >> www.fdif.eu.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Fundación per la Pau/International Peace Bureau (IPB) >>>> >> mailbox@... >>>> >> www.ipb.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Food First International Action Network (FIAN) >>>> >> fian@... >>>> >> www.fian.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Federeação Internacional Direitos Humanos (FIDH) >>>> >> rsanchez@... >>>> >> www.fidh.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Freedom Legality And Rights in Europe (FLARE) >>>> >> info@... >>>> >> www.flarenetwork.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Focus on the Global South >>>> >> admin@... >>>> >> http://focusweb.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Fondation Frantz Fanon >>>> >> http://frantzfanonfoundation-fondationfrantzfanon.com/ >>>> >> >>>> >> Forum des Organisations de Solidarité Internationale issues des >>>> >> Migrations (FORIM) >>>> >> forim@... >>>> >> forim@... >>>> >> >>>> >> Fórum Dakar >>>> >> Residel.kaolack@... >>>> >> >>>> >> Forum Mondial des Alternatives >>>> >> ftm@... >>>> >> www.alternatives-action.org/fma >>>> >> >>>> >> Forum of the Poors >>>> >> fopthai@... >>>> >> >>>> >> Fórum Social Italiano >>>> >> vagnoleto@... >>>> >> >>>> >> Foundation for Socio-Economic Justice (FSEJ) >>>> >> fsej@... >>>> >> >>>> >> General Union of Oil Employees in Southern Iraq >>>> >> Contact: Farouk M. Sadiq Ismaa'l >>>> >> 101small@... >>>> >> >>>> >> GLBT South-South Dialogue >>>> >> dialogo@... >>>> >> >>>> >> Global Commons Foundation >>>> >> www.www.globalcommonsfoundation.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Global Exchange >>>> >> admin@... >>>> >> www.globalexchange.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Global Policy Network >>>> >> gpn-listowner@... >>>> >> www.globalpolicynetwork.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Global Progressive Fórum >>>> >> info@... >>>> >> www.globalprogressiveforum.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Grassroots Global Justice >>>> >> ggj@... >>>> >> www.ggjalliance.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Greenpeace >>>> >> greenpeace.brazil@... >>>> >> http://www.greenpeace.org/ >>>> >> >>>> >> Grito dos Excluídos >>>> >> gritoexcluidos@... >>>> >> www.movimientos.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Grupo de Trabalho Amazônico >>>> >> www. gta.org.br >>>> >> >>>> >> Habitat Internation Coalition >>>> >> maite.martinez-pardo@... >>>> >> www.habitat-international-coalition.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Helsinki Citizens Assembly >>>> >> >>>> >> Herriak Aske >>>> >> international@... >>>> >> >>>> >> Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy (IATP) >>>> >> khoff@... >>>> >> www.iatp.org >>>> >> >>>> >> IBASE >>>> >> ibase@... >>>> >> www.ibase.br >>>> >> >>>> >> Conselho Internacional de Educação de Adultos (ICAE) >>>> >> icae@... >>>> >> http://www.icae.org.uy/spa/sindex.html >>>> >> >>>> >> International Federationof Alternative Trade (IFAT) >>>> >> info@... >>>> >> www.ifat.org >>>> >> >>>> >> International Forum on Globalization (IFG) >>>> >> ifg@... >>>> >> www.ifg.org >>>> >> >>>> >> International Alliance of Habitants >>>> >> info@... >>>> >> www.habitants.org >>>> >> >>>> >> International drama and education association (IDEA) >>>> >> www.idea-org.net >>>> >> >>>> >> International Gender and Trade Network >>>> >> secretariat@... >>>> >> www.igtn.org >>>> >> >>>> >> International Network of Street Papers (INSP) >>>> >> l.maclean@... >>>> >> irn@... >>>> >> www.irn.org >>>> >> >>>> >> International Sport and Culture Association (ISCA) >>>> >> info@... >>>> >> www.isca-web.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Instituto Paulo Freire >>>> >> ipf@... >>>> >> www.paulofreire.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Institut Panos Afrique de l’Ouest (IPAO) >>>> >> info@... >>>> >> www.panos-ao.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Inter Press Service (IPS) >>>> >> kosi@... >>>> >> www.ips.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Union of Arab Community Based Organisations(Ittijah) >>>> >> ittijah@... >>>> >> www.ittijah.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Jubilee South – Asia >>>> >> vinod.raina@... >>>> >> www.jubileesouth.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Jubileo South – África >>>> >> aidc@... >>>> >> www.jubileesouth.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Jubileu 2000 >>>> >> kitazawa@... >>>> >> >>>> >> Jubileu Sul América Latina >>>> >> keeneba@... >>>> >> www.jubileusul.hpg.com.br >>>> >> >>>> >> KCTU - Korean Confederation of Trade Unions >>>> >> inter@... >>>> >> www.kctu.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Kenya Debt Network >>>> >> sodnet@... >>>> >> >>>> >> KOPA >>>> >> kopa@... >>>> >> http://antiwto.jinbo.net/eroom/index.html >>>> >> >>>> >> Kurdish Network >>>> >> kurdishnetwork@... >>>> >> >>>> >> Land Research Action Network >>>> >> wellington@... >>>> >> >>>> >> May First/People Link >>>> >> info@... >>>> >> www.mayfirst.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Movimento dos Trabalhadores Sem Terra (MST) >>>> >> srimst@... >>>> >> www.mst.org.br >>>> >> >>>> >> Narmada >>>> >> subbu@... >>>> >> www.narmada.org >>>> >> >>>> >> National Network of Autonomous Women’s Groups >>>> >> shahnandita@... >>>> >> >>>> >> Network Institute for Global Democratization (NIGD) >>>> >> katarina@... >>>> >> www.nigd.org >>>> >> >>>> >> No Vox International >>>> >> no-vox@... >>>> >> www.no-vox.org >>>> >> >>>> >> North-South Centre >>>> >> Fifi.BENABOUD@... >>>> >> www.coe.int/T/E/North-South_Centre >>>> >> >>>> >> Continental Organization of Latin America and Caribbean Students >>>> (OCLAE) >>>> >> oclae@... >>>> >> www.oclae.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Organization of African Trade Unions Unity >>>> >> oatuu@... >>>> >> >>>> >> Organização Regional Interamericana de Trabalhadores (ORIT) >>>> >> info@... >>>> >> www.orit-ciosl.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Organization de la Jeunesse Africaine >>>> >> http://www.ojafrique.org/ >>>> >> >>>> >> OXFAM Internacional >>>> >> information@... >>>> >> www.oxfam.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Palestinian grassroots Anti-Apartheid Wall Campaign >>>> >> mobilize@... >>>> >> www.stopthewall.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Peace Boat >>>> >> y-nami@... >>>> >> www.peaceboat.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Peoples Health Movement >>>> >> secretariat@... >>>> >> http://www.phmovement.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Plataforma Interamericana de Derechos Humanos, Democracia y >>>> Desarrollo >>>> >> regional@... >>>> >> www.pidhdd.org >>>> >> >>>> >> PPEHRC – Poor People’s Economic Human Rights Campaign >>>> >> kwru@... >>>> >> www.economichumanrights.org >>>> >> www.kwru.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Projeto K >>>> >> Salvatore.cannavo@... >>>> >> ilpanelerose@... >>>> >> >>>> >> Public Citizen >>>> >> tgerson@... >>>> >> www.citizen.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Red Latinoamericana Mulheres Transformando a Economia >>>> >> mleon@... >>>> >> remte@... >>>> >> http://movimientos.org/remte >>>> >> >>>> >> Rede APM – Agricultures paysannes, sociétés et mondialisation >>>> >> pvuarin@... >>>> >> www.zooide.com/apm >>>> >> >>>> >> Rede CONSEU (Conferencia de Naciones sin Estado de Europa) >>>> >> activitats@... >>>> >> >>>> >> Rede Dawn de Mulheres >>>> >> dawn@... >>>> >> www.dawn.org.fj >>>> >> >>>> >> Rede de Solidariedade Ásia Pacífico >>>> >> intl@... >>>> >> >>>> >> Rede Latino-Americana e Caribenha de Mulheres Negras >>>> >> criola@... >>>> >> www.criola.ong.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Rede Mulher e Habitat >>>> >> gem@... >>>> >> http://www.redmujer.org.ar >>>> >> >>>> >> Rede Mundial de Mulheres pelos Direitos Reprodutivos >>>> >> office@... >>>> >> www.wgnrr.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Rede Palestina de ONGs >>>> >> bisanrd@... >>>> >> www.pngo.net >>>> >> >>>> >> Rede Social de Justiça e Direitos Humanos >>>> >> rede@... >>>> >> www.social.org.br >>>> >> >>>> >> Rede Transforme! >>>> >> elgauthi@... >>>> >> >>>> >> Redes Socioeconomia Solidaria >>>> >> creintjes@... >>>> >> www.reasnet.com >>>> >> >>>> >> Rede de Educação Popular entre Mulheres (REPEM) >>>> >> repem@... >>>> >> www.repem.org.uy >>>> >> >>>> >> Réseau Ouest Africain des Alternatives pour le Developpement (ROAD) >>>> >> jubilecad-mali@..., barryaminatou@... >>>> >> >>>> >> Southern Initiative on Globalisation and Trade Union Rights (SIGTUR) >>>> >> rlambert@... >>>> >> >>>> >> Social Movement Indaba >>>> >> >>>> >> Social Watch >>>> >> socwatch@... >>>> >> www.socialwatch.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Social Development Network (SODNET) >>>> >> sodnet@... >>>> >> http://www.sodnet.or.ke >>>> >> >>>> >> Solidar >>>> >> solidar@... >>>> >> www.solidar.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Solidarity Africa Network in Action >>>> >> njoki@... >>>> >> >>>> >> The International Federation Terre des Hommes (IFTDH) >>>> >> info@... >>>> >> www.terredeshommes.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Transnational Information Exchange (TIE) >>>> >> tie@... >>>> >> http://www.tie-brasil.org/tie.php >>>> >> >>>> >> Transnational Institute (TNI) >>>> >> tni@... >>>> >> www.tni.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Third World Network (TWN) >>>> >> twn@... >>>> >> www.twnside.org.sg >>>> >> >>>> >> UBUNTU - Foro Mundial de Redes de la Sociedad Civil >>>> >> ubuntu@... >>>> >> www.ubuntu.upc.es >>>> >> >>>> >> Union Internacional de Estudiantes >>>> >> ius@... >>>> >> www.ius-uie.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam Network >>>> >> vk-finland@... >>>> >> www.democracydialogues.org/ >>>> >> www.demokratiafoorumi.fi/wsf.html >>>> >> >>>> >> Via Campesina >>>> >> viacam@... >>>> >> http://ns.rds.org.hn/via/ >>>> >> >>>> >> World Association of Community Radio Broadcasters (Amarc) >>>> >> amarc@... >>>> >> http://www.amarc.org >>>> >> >>>> >> World March of Women >>>> >> www.ffq.qc.ca/marche2000/en/index.html >>>> >> dmatte@... >>>> >> >>>> >> Zanzibar International Film Festival Of Dhow >>>> >> Contato: Fatma ALLOO >>>> >> falloo@... >>>> >> >>>> >> Znet >>>> >> sysop@... >>>> >> www.zmag.org >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Observadores >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Mundial de Educação >>>> >> >>>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Africano >>>> >> taoufik@... >>>> >> >>>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Américas >>>> >> fsmcontinental@... >>>> >> www.forosocialamericas.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Europeu >>>> >> wsf@... >>>> >> www.fse-esf.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Mediterrâneo >>>> >> activitats@... >>>> >> fsmedi@... >>>> >> >>>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social de Migrações >>>> >> >>>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Pan-Amazônico >>>> >> cri-pmb@... >>>> >> www.fspanamazonico.com.br >>>> >> >>>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Tematico: Democracia, Direitos >>>> >> Humanos, Guerras e Narcotráfico >>>> >> forosocialtematico@... >>>> >> www.fsmt.org.co >>>> >> >>>> >> Funders Network on Trade & Globalization (FNTG) >>>> >> mark@... >>>> >> www.fntg.org >>>> >> >>>> >> Fórum Social São Paulo >>>> >> http://forumsocialsp.org.br >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Gustavo Massiah <massiah@... >>>> > >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Dear Wilhermina >>>> >> > >>>> >> > we are with you in solidarity >>>> >> > and with all the workers of striking mine >>>> >> > >>>> >> > we are sure that social justice will be on the road of this >>>> fundamental >>>> >> > struggle >>>> >> > >>>> >> > In solidarity >>>> >> > >>>> >> > gustave massiah >>>> >> > representative of CRID at the IC of WSF >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Le 21/08/2012 16:51, Wilhelmina Trout WMW a écrit : >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Dear Gina >>>> >> > my sincerest apologies for not being present these past days in >>>> these >>>> >> > discussions, after my last task of sending you my notes. Thank >>>> you for >>>> >> > taking over & carrying the load. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > I am sure you, with the rest of the world, witnessed the recent >>>> killings >>>> >> > of >>>> >> > striking mine workers at the Lonmin Mine here in Marikane, it has >>>> >> > shocked >>>> >> > the world & here in South Africa we are trying to come to grips >>>> with the >>>> >> > loss of lives and to make sense of this brutality. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > But for now I will follow the discussions & continue participating >>>> >> > actively >>>> >> > in the group shortly. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > In solidarity >>>> >> > wilhelmina >>>> >> > >>>> >> > On 20 August 2012 22:41, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote: >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please >>>> respond as >>>> >> >> soon as posible >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; >>>> por favor >>>> >> >> respondan pronto >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Gina >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> (Inglès: ver abajo) >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo! >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas >>>> reacciones >>>> >> >>> que >>>> >> >>> suscita. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos >>>> propuestas: >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> - El protocol >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> - El plan de trabajo >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere >>>> decir. >>>> >> >>> El >>>> >> >>> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de >>>> nuestro >>>> >> >>> grupo? >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las >>>> >> >>> responsabilidades? >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos >>>> grupos, >>>> >> >>> seria >>>> >> >>> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege >>>> tienen >>>> >> >>> razon. >>>> >> >>> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas >>>> las >>>> >> >>> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los >>>> miembros >>>> >> >>> del CI >>>> >> >>> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, >>>> seria un >>>> >> >>> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo >>>> dudo … >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian >>>> que >>>> >> >>> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos? >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario? >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar … >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Esperando las noticias. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Francine >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the >>>> lack >>>> >> >>> of >>>> >> >>> reactions … >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two >>>> proposals: >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> - Protocol >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> - A working plan >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of >>>> the >>>> >> >>> ‘rules of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect? >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with >>>> >> >>> responsibilities? >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different >>>> >> >>> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we >>>> have >>>> >> >>> to >>>> >> >>> avoid, I think. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege >>>> are >>>> >> >>> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if >>>> all >>>> >> >>> messages >>>> >> >>> go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also >>>> is a >>>> >> >>> need >>>> >> >>> for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it >>>> coule be a >>>> >> >>> kind >>>> >> >>> of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in >>>> writing … >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the >>>> working-group to >>>> >> >>> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with >>>> >> >>> priority? >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire? >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help … >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Waiting for more news, >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Francine >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...] >>>> >> >>> Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01 >>>> >> >>> Aan: wg-about-future@... >>>> >> >>> Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro >>>> trabajo. >>>> >> >>> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can >>>> continue >>>> >> >>> working. Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to >>>> work. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I >>>> have >>>> >> >>> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you >>>> that >>>> >> >>> know >>>> >> >>> both can check? >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> besos >>>> >> >>> Gina >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves >>>> de >>>> >> >>> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this >>>> list. >>>> >> >>> This is a prove to see if it functions. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Gina >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> -- >>>> >> >>> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345032103842 >>>> >> >>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >>>> >> >>> wg-about-future@.... Please contact >>>> >> >>> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> -- >>>> >> >>> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345385242518 >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >>>> >> >>> wg-about-future@.... Please contact >>>> >> >>> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> -- >>>> >> >> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345495359711 >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >>>> >> >> wg-about-future@.... Please contact >>>> >> >> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > -- >>>> >> > Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345560692277 >>>> >> > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >>>> >> > wg-about-future@.... 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Dear Helio, I was about to answer your message when I read your email about you leaving the office. I am sorry about this, really. And as you recall in our last conversation in Monastir, I totally agreed with you about you being left alone, which I think was quite irresponsible - especially since we've been discussing this situation for a long time and even the few proposals that had been made (such as contributions by IC members and from Organising Committees) where not followed up. I also want to excuse myself if the tone of my previous message was too harsh or polemic. And sounded like a personal issue. My frustration comes from the fact that we continue to repeat the same dynamics, leading to a standstill and de facto non collaboration, for what reason I still don't undertand. The specific case I was addressing is about working on the website for 2013 as a project to renew the whole institutional website, sharing those parts (such as registration of participants, memory, multimedia, etc) which are common and making it a collaborative site, so it can be co-designed and co-edited by more people - and not be the sole responsibility of a person or two in an "office" (no irony intended). We've shared this in the IC (Hamouda, for instance, repeated it in several occasions) and created groups (well, Pierre created groups...) with the people who are concretely working on it. Who said they were waiting to have from the Office the domain they could use to work on it (eg. fsm2013.forumsocialmundial.org). And are still waiting. So who is supposed to decide on this very specific matter? Shouldn't it be a group (of the IC) dedicated to communication issues? Many attempts as Communication commission to share responsibilities in a collaborative way have been made in the past with your previous collegues (discussions and documents where generated, trying to list tasks to be shared and preserve the independence and professional work done by office staff) - but this is history and besides the point. The point is: who has to take certain decisions and where does the collective responsibility of the IC as such lie? Who is accountable to whom? And what forms of collaboration can be concretely practice and which are really viable? How much is it a matter of financial issues and how much of "control"? The Liason Group was supposed to be a solution - it ended up creating more problems. And now that most of its members were supposed to be renewed, no real assessment was done, and what happened in Monastir seemed to be a way to delay and defer again any possible different solution. I already expressed myself publicly about this. The Forum process has an incredible potential, and whenever it has been adopted in different contexts it has help dynamise and aggregate. But it has to evolve as it grows and moves, as the context changes, as some actors get "tired" and others perceive a closure; it needs to include new instances, change its dynamics, and become less improvised and more accountable. Learn from other "processes" - without making a myth out of them (occupy movement, for eg) - but especially, try not to repeat the same errors again and again. So if this working group (with 4 sub-groups of 1-2 people each??!!) wants to really explore how to get out of this mess in a creative, re-energizing, concrete and accountable way, I think it needs not just to theorize about the future, but to look at concrete ways to mobilise, clear the minimal rules and methods of participation in the IC (which IS a responsibility and not just another venue to meet each other - so non participant members should no longer be members). And find how to give continuity to a process, by renewing itself each time as the relay passes from one organising committee to the next (where the "office" could be based) and being very public and transparent (recording the meetings and making them available on the website; have "instant reports"; publish accounts; declare who is responsible for what). So... what next? Gina - thanks for your work. If I understand correctly, the task for each "sub-group" is to issue a document as a basis for further reflection on the different aspects. That is fine -- can it be done with collaborative "public" tools, instead of just exchanging versions on a mailing list? Openfsm "wiki" is available and as of today holds the "memory" of many discussions, documents, guidelines, etc. But there are many other tools out there... (and the "Occupy"ers are making an incredible use of them). I would add something I had already suggested for the post-Dakar evaluation, which involved asking all organisations and participants of the forum process to give their ideas, expectations, proposals, through a (simple) questionnaire - not just, but of course also, the IC members. To do this, we'd need to use the newsletter database and - possibly - the database of the Dakar forum. The questionnaire can be done online, in several languages. It doesn't take a huge technical effort. And we had already worked on it and agreed last year (I just re-read a few emails about it). But then it wasn't done [why?] - and we only received a few answers from IC members. [And please, Giuseppe, lets not repeat the discussion on open space methodology and questionnaires... ;-) ] Then of course - if successful - we'll have a lot of useful elements which can inform and stimulate and help the preparation of a more grounded debate in the next IC. I've been long (not as much as Francine and Chico), so I'll cut it here. Helio - I wish you the very best and hope you stay in touch. ciao Jason On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Escritorio FSM - Helio < escritorio@...> wrote: > Dear Jason, > > As you might remember, the person so far responsable for the website no > longer works in the office since january - and NO SINGLE solution or > alternative was taken to replace her or think on another way of managing > the institutional communication (as well as many other tasks...). It is > completely out of sense to think that a complex process like the WSF and > the IC dynamics could be supported by an office composed by one only > person, with almost no collaboration from the process itself - except from > a few but active people from the IC that have been trying hard to give me a > hand and accomplish the tasks. > > The IC is in a moment of deep reflexion to reestructure itself, and > certainly the role and responsabilities of the office should be an issue on > its agenda - so, in this sense, I completely agree with you that the issue > of who is responsable for what should again be brought up. What I dont > understand at all in your message is the phrase "apparenty we cannot > proceed unless "the office" says ok..." - what kind of "ok" should "the > office" adress to you or any instance of the process? (I dont understant > either what these quotation marks means... are they only for ironic > purposes?). Does it make any sense externalizing responsabilities instead > of recognizing the difficulties that all instances of the IC have, due to > different reasons (and these are not only because of financial problems), > of achieving its goals? So, please, lets work in the same sense of > collective responsabilities that the WSF proclains, trying to bring up > solutions and alternatives to the problems we *collectively* face - > specially the issue of the website, which necessity of renewal has been > pointed by all my communicators-colleagues in the office several times > (Thaís, Vânia, Mariana, Thiago...), but again no solution was taken by the > IC. It is not a surprise that no one works for a long period in the > office... > > all the best, > > -- > Hélio Menezes > WSF Office / Escritório do FSM > +55 11 3258 8914 > www.forumsocialmundial.org.br > > 2012/8/27 Giuseppe Caruso <giu.caruso@...> > >> Gina, thank you! i think this is perfect to start and i'm thrilled by the >> chance to work with winod and whoever wishes to join in! >> >> how long do we wait for people to join the four subgroups? >> >> gina gracias! esto me parece perfecto para iniciar y me encanta la idea >> de trabajar con vinod y cualquier persona mas! >> >> cual va a ser el tiempo adecuado para que tod@s se junten a los cuatro >> grupos? >> >> abrazos >> g >> >> >> On 27 August 2012 05:23, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote: >> >>> >>> Please see the attachments and we comunicate soon! >>> We have to organise also a team for traslation.! >>> >>> Por favor lean los adjuntos y nos comunicamos pronto >>> Y tenemos que organizar un equipo de traduccion! >>> >>> Gina >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2012/8/22 Jason Nardi <jason.nardi@...> >>> >>>> Hi Rita, >>>> >>>> I know... that's why also the institutional website badly needs to be >>>> updated altogether and we are waiting for some signal of life from Helio... >>>> since we already have discussed for a long time in the communication >>>> commission - as you know - to have a new portal website, collecting >>>> together all the functions and information needed for a modern >>>> communication. But apparently we cannot proceed unless "the office" says >>>> ok... >>>> Which brings up the issue of who is responsible for what and who takes >>>> decisions of this sort (I have raised this countless times in the IC). >>>> >>>> But I don't want to be polemic here ;-) >>>> >>>> ciao >>>> Jason >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:57 PM, rita freire <ritafreir@...>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jason >>>>> This list is not mine, it is the list open in the institutional >>>>> website, wich needs to be updated >>>>> Rita >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Jason Nardi <jason.nardi@...> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > Dear all, >>>>> > >>>>> > I've been following and read most of the messages up to now. I >>>>> haven't had >>>>> > time to write my contribution yet (I just came back from my summer >>>>> > vacation). But I'm happy to see that something is moving... >>>>> > >>>>> > I like Sara's approach and agree that we should have more frequent >>>>> online >>>>> > meetings. >>>>> > >>>>> > Rita - the list you sent is old, in fact very old. Is it possible >>>>> to have >>>>> > an updated one? In a short time? >>>>> > >>>>> > ciao from a very warm Italy >>>>> > Jason >>>>> > >>>>> > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:59 PM, rita freire <ritafreir@...> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Agree >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Also the list of the IC members/organizations in this group, >>>>> >> If it can help, bellow you find the list of members of the IC >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Rita >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> 50 Years is Enough! >>>>> >> 50years@... >>>>> >> www.50years.org >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Associação Brasileira de ONGs (ABONG) >>>>> >> abong@... >>>>> >> www.abong.org.br >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Action Aid International (AAI) >>>>> >> mail.jhb@... >>>>> >> www.actionaid.org >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU) >>>>> >> mailbox@... >>>>> >> www.actu.asn.au >>>>> >> >>>>> >> American Federation of Labor-Congress of Industrial Organizations >>>>> >> (AFL-CIO) >>>>> >> feedback@... >>>>> >> www.aflcio.org/home.htm >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Africa Trade Network >>>>> >> aidc@... >>>>> >> http://africatradenetwork.com >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Alternative Information on Development Center (AIDC) >>>>> >> aidc@... >>>>> >> http://aidc.org.za >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Agencia Latinoamericana de Información (AIDC) >>>>> >> info@... >>>>> >> www.alainet.org >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Associação Latino Americana de Pequenos e Médios Empresários >>>>> (ALAMPYME) >>>>> >> apyme@... >>>>> >> www.apyme.com.ar >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Aliança Por Um Mundo Responsável e Solidário >>>>> >> lille@... >>>>> >> www.alliance21.org >>>>> >> >>>>> >> All Arab Peasants & Agricultural Co-operatives Union >>>>> >> F76arab@... >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Associação Latino Americana de Organismos de Promoção (ALOP) >>>>> >> info@... >>>>> >> www.alop.or.cr >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Alternatives Information Center >>>>> >> yahni@... >>>>> >> www.alternativenews.org >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Alternatives >>>>> >> alternatives@...< /a> >>>>> >> www.alternatives.ca >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Alternative International >>>>> >> www.alternatives.ca >>>>> >> >>>>> 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Thank >>>>> you for >>>>> >> > taking over & carrying the load. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > I am sure you, with the rest of the world, witnessed the recent >>>>> killings >>>>> >> > of >>>>> >> > striking mine workers at the Lonmin Mine here in Marikane, it has >>>>> >> > shocked >>>>> >> > the world & here in South Africa we are trying to come to grips >>>>> with the >>>>> >> > loss of lives and to make sense of this brutality. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > But for now I will follow the discussions & continue participating >>>>> >> > actively >>>>> >> > in the group shortly. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > In solidarity >>>>> >> > wilhelmina >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > On 20 August 2012 22:41, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote: >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please >>>>> respond as >>>>> >> >> soon as posible >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; >>>>> por favor >>>>> >> >> respondan pronto >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> Gina >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> (Inglès: ver abajo) >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo! >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas >>>>> reacciones >>>>> >> >>> que >>>>> >> >>> suscita. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos >>>>> propuestas: >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> - El protocol >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> - El plan de trabajo >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere >>>>> decir. >>>>> >> >>> El >>>>> >> >>> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de >>>>> nuestro >>>>> >> >>> grupo? >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las >>>>> >> >>> responsabilidades? >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos >>>>> grupos, >>>>> >> >>> seria >>>>> >> >>> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege >>>>> tienen >>>>> >> >>> razon. >>>>> >> >>> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas >>>>> las >>>>> >> >>> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los >>>>> miembros >>>>> >> >>> del CI >>>>> >> >>> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, >>>>> seria un >>>>> >> >>> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo >>>>> dudo … >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo >>>>> tendrian que >>>>> >> >>> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos? >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario? >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar … >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Esperando las noticias. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Francine >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about >>>>> the lack >>>>> >> >>> of >>>>> >> >>> reactions … >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two >>>>> proposals: >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> - Protocol >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> - A working plan >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of >>>>> the >>>>> >> >>> ‘rules of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect? >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with >>>>> >> >>> responsibilities? >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different >>>>> >> >>> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we >>>>> have >>>>> >> >>> to >>>>> >> >>> avoid, I think. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and >>>>> Liege are >>>>> >> >>> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if >>>>> all >>>>> >> >>> messages >>>>> >> >>> go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there >>>>> also is a >>>>> >> >>> need >>>>> >> >>> for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it >>>>> coule be a >>>>> >> >>> kind >>>>> >> >>> of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in >>>>> writing … >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the >>>>> working-group to >>>>> >> >>> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with >>>>> >> >>> priority? >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire? >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help … >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Waiting for more news, >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Francine >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...] >>>>> >> >>> Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01 >>>>> >> >>> Aan: wg-about-future@... >>>>> >> >>> Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro >>>>> trabajo. >>>>> >> >>> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can >>>>> continue >>>>> >> >>> working. Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to >>>>> work. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I >>>>> have >>>>> >> >>> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of >>>>> you that >>>>> >> >>> know >>>>> >> >>> both can check? >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> besos >>>>> >> >>> Gina >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves >>>>> de >>>>> >> >>> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this >>>>> list. >>>>> >> >>> This is a prove to see if it functions. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Gina >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> -- >>>>> >> >>> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345032103842 >>>>> >> >>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >>>>> >> >>> wg-about-future@.... Please contact >>>>> >> >>> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> -- >>>>> >> >>> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345385242518 >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >>>>> >> >>> wg-about-future@.... 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español abaajo Dear Jason, if yu read my letter (maybe my english is not so clear on that?) the idea was that these persons are not the onlyones in the groups, but people from the working group that are interesret to contribute in some of them, has to do it, so please feel free to do so and I hope you can do it. Many of your criticisms are valid, but just now is the moment to come to see what we do with it; we can wait to have a perfect alternative, but time goes and reactions are not there. The other thing is that your question if there is a need of a communication group, I beleive that we certainly do, and it will be great is you can take charge of organizaing it, as part of theis process of reviewing and changing. warme regads Gina Querido Jason, si lees mi carta con atencion -quiza mi mal ingles no es muy claro- la idea es que las personas que estan en los grupos sean el primer referente para ehcarlos a andar y que otras personas del grupo de trabajo se unan , asi que sientete libre por favor de unirte al que mas te interesa.. Muchas de tus criticas son validas, pero ahora es el momento de ver que hacer con estas y otras criticas; podemos esperr hasta tener una alternativa pèrfecta, pero el tiempo pasa y las reacciones no estan. Lo otro es que sobre tu pregunta si necesitamos un grupo de comunicacion para las tareas que mencionas, ciertamente si, y seria regio si tu puedes encvargarte de organizarlo , comop parte de este esfuerzo de revisar y cambiar. con carño Gina 2012/8/28 Jason Nardi <jason.nardi@...> > Dear Helio, > > I was about to answer your message when I read your email about you > leaving the office. I am sorry about this, really. And as you recall in > our last conversation in Monastir, I totally agreed with you about you > being left alone, which I think was quite irresponsible - especially since > we've been discussing this situation for a long time and even the few > proposals that had been made (such as contributions by IC members and from > Organising Committees) where not followed up. > > I also want to excuse myself if the tone of my previous message was too > harsh or polemic. And sounded like a personal issue. My frustration comes > from the fact that we continue to repeat the same dynamics, leading to a > standstill and de facto non collaboration, for what reason I still don't > undertand. The specific case I was addressing is about working on the > website for 2013 as a project to renew the whole institutional website, > sharing those parts (such as registration of participants, memory, > multimedia, etc) which are common and making it a collaborative site, so it > can be co-designed and co-edited by more people - and not be the sole > responsibility of a person or two in an "office" (no irony intended). > We've shared this in the IC (Hamouda, for instance, repeated it in several > occasions) and created groups (well, Pierre created groups...) with the > people who are concretely working on it. Who said they were waiting to > have from the Office the domain they could use to work on it (eg. > fsm2013.forumsocialmundial.org). And are still waiting. So who is > supposed to decide on this very specific matter? Shouldn't it be a group > (of the IC) dedicated to communication issues? > > Many attempts as Communication commission to share responsibilities in a > collaborative way have been made in the past with your previous collegues > (discussions and documents where generated, trying to list tasks to be > shared and preserve the independence and professional work done by office > staff) - but this is history and besides the point. > > The point is: who has to take certain decisions and where does the > collective responsibility of the IC as such lie? Who is accountable to > whom? And what forms of collaboration can be concretely practice and which > are really viable? How much is it a matter of financial issues and how > much of "control"? > > The Liason Group was supposed to be a solution - it ended up creating more > problems. And now that most of its members were supposed to be renewed, no > real assessment was done, and what happened in Monastir seemed to be a way > to delay and defer again any possible different solution. I already > expressed myself publicly about this. > > The Forum process has an incredible potential, and whenever it has been > adopted in different contexts it has help dynamise and aggregate. But it > has to evolve as it grows and moves, as the context changes, as some actors > get "tired" and others perceive a closure; it needs to include new > instances, change its dynamics, and become less improvised and more > accountable. Learn from other "processes" - without making a myth out of > them (occupy movement, for eg) - but especially, try not to repeat the same > errors again and again. > > So if this working group (with 4 sub-groups of 1-2 people each??!!) wants > to really explore how to get out of this mess in a creative, re-energizing, > concrete and accountable way, I think it needs not just to theorize about > the future, but to look at concrete ways to mobilise, clear the minimal > rules and methods of participation in the IC (which IS a responsibility and > not just another venue to meet each other - so non participant members > should no longer be members). And find how to give continuity to a > process, by renewing itself each time as the relay passes from one > organising committee to the next (where the "office" could be based) and > being very public and transparent (recording the meetings and making them > available on the website; have "instant reports"; publish accounts; declare > who is responsible for what). > > So... what next? > > Gina - thanks for your work. If I understand correctly, the task for each > "sub-group" is to issue a document as a basis for further reflection on the > different aspects. That is fine -- can it be done with collaborative > "public" tools, instead of just exchanging versions on a mailing list? > Openfsm "wiki" is available and as of today holds the "memory" of many > discussions, documents, guidelines, etc. But there are many other tools out > there... (and the "Occupy"ers are making an incredible use of them). > > I would add something I had already suggested for the post-Dakar > evaluation, which involved asking all organisations and participants of the > forum process to give their ideas, expectations, proposals, through a > (simple) questionnaire - not just, but of course also, the IC members. To > do this, we'd need to use the newsletter database and - possibly - the > database of the Dakar forum. The questionnaire can be done online, in > several languages. It doesn't take a huge technical effort. And we had > already worked on it and agreed last year (I just re-read a few emails > about it). But then it wasn't done [why?] - and we only received a few > answers from IC members. > > [And please, Giuseppe, lets not repeat the discussion on open space > methodology and questionnaires... ;-) ] > > Then of course - if successful - we'll have a lot of useful elements which > can inform and stimulate and help the preparation of a more grounded debate > in the next IC. > > I've been long (not as much as Francine and Chico), so I'll cut it here. > > Helio - I wish you the very best and hope you stay in touch. > > ciao > Jason > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Escritorio FSM - Helio < > escritorio@...> wrote: > >> Dear Jason, >> >> As you might remember, the person so far responsable for the website no >> longer works in the office since january - and NO SINGLE solution or >> alternative was taken to replace her or think on another way of managing >> the institutional communication (as well as many other tasks...). It is >> completely out of sense to think that a complex process like the WSF and >> the IC dynamics could be supported by an office composed by one only >> person, with almost no collaboration from the process itself - except from >> a few but active people from the IC that have been trying hard to give me a >> hand and accomplish the tasks. >> >> The IC is in a moment of deep reflexion to reestructure itself, and >> certainly the role and responsabilities of the office should be an issue on >> its agenda - so, in this sense, I completely agree with you that the issue >> of who is responsable for what should again be brought up. What I dont >> understand at all in your message is the phrase "apparenty we cannot >> proceed unless "the office" says ok..." - what kind of "ok" should "the >> office" adress to you or any instance of the process? (I dont understant >> either what these quotation marks means... are they only for ironic >> purposes?). Does it make any sense externalizing responsabilities instead >> of recognizing the difficulties that all instances of the IC have, due to >> different reasons (and these are not only because of financial problems), >> of achieving its goals? So, please, lets work in the same sense of >> collective responsabilities that the WSF proclains, trying to bring up >> solutions and alternatives to the problems we *collectively* face - >> specially the issue of the website, which necessity of renewal has been >> pointed by all my communicators-colleagues in the office several times >> (Thaís, Vânia, Mariana, Thiago...), but again no solution was taken by the >> IC. It is not a surprise that no one works for a long period in the >> office... >> >> all the best, >> >> -- >> Hélio Menezes >> WSF Office / Escritório do FSM >> +55 11 3258 8914 >> www.forumsocialmundial.org.br >> >> 2012/8/27 Giuseppe Caruso <giu.caruso@...> >> >>> Gina, thank you! i think this is perfect to start and i'm thrilled by >>> the chance to work with winod and whoever wishes to join in! >>> >>> how long do we wait for people to join the four subgroups? >>> >>> gina gracias! esto me parece perfecto para iniciar y me encanta la idea >>> de trabajar con vinod y cualquier persona mas! >>> >>> cual va a ser el tiempo adecuado para que tod@s se junten a los cuatro >>> grupos? >>> >>> abrazos >>> g >>> >>> >>> On 27 August 2012 05:23, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Please see the attachments and we comunicate soon! >>>> We have to organise also a team for traslation.! >>>> >>>> Por favor lean los adjuntos y nos comunicamos pronto >>>> Y tenemos que organizar un equipo de traduccion! >>>> >>>> Gina >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2012/8/22 Jason Nardi <jason.nardi@...> >>>> >>>>> Hi Rita, >>>>> >>>>> I know... that's why also the institutional website badly needs to be >>>>> updated altogether and we are waiting for some signal of life from Helio... >>>>> since we already have discussed for a long time in the communication >>>>> commission - as you know - to have a new portal website, collecting >>>>> together all the functions and information needed for a modern >>>>> communication. But apparently we cannot proceed unless "the office" says >>>>> ok... >>>>> Which brings up the issue of who is responsible for what and who takes >>>>> decisions of this sort (I have raised this countless times in the IC). >>>>> >>>>> But I don't want to be polemic here ;-) >>>>> >>>>> ciao >>>>> Jason >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:57 PM, rita freire <ritafreir@...>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Jason >>>>>> This list is not mine, it is the list open in the institutional >>>>>> website, wich needs to be updated >>>>>> Rita >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Jason Nardi <jason.nardi@...> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > Dear all, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I've been following and read most of the messages up to now. I >>>>>> haven't had >>>>>> > time to write my contribution yet (I just came back from my summer >>>>>> > vacation). But I'm happy to see that something is moving... >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I like Sara's approach and agree that we should have more frequent >>>>>> online >>>>>> > meetings. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Rita - the list you sent is old, in fact very old. Is it possible >>>>>> to have >>>>>> > an updated one? In a short time? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > ciao from a very warm Italy >>>>>> > Jason >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:59 PM, rita freire <ritafreir@...> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Agree >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Also the list of the IC members/organizations in this group, >>>>>> >> If it can help, bellow you find the list of members of the IC >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Rita >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> 50 Years is Enough! >>>>>> >> 50years@... >>>>>> >> www.50years.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Associação Brasileira de ONGs (ABONG) >>>>>> >> abong@... >>>>>> >> www.abong.org.br >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Action Aid International (AAI) >>>>>> >> mail.jhb@... >>>>>> >> www.actionaid.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU) >>>>>> >> mailbox@... >>>>>> >> www.actu.asn.au >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> American Federation of Labor-Congress of Industrial Organizations >>>>>> >> (AFL-CIO) >>>>>> >> feedback@... >>>>>> >> www.aflcio.org/home.htm >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Africa Trade Network >>>>>> >> aidc@... >>>>>> >> http://africatradenetwork.com >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Alternative Information on Development Center (AIDC) >>>>>> >> aidc@... >>>>>> >> http://aidc.org.za >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Agencia Latinoamericana de Información (AIDC) >>>>>> >> info@... >>>>>> >> www.alainet.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Associação Latino Americana de Pequenos e Médios Empresários >>>>>> (ALAMPYME) >>>>>> >> apyme@... >>>>>> >> www.apyme.com.ar >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Aliança Por Um Mundo Responsável e Solidário >>>>>> >> lille@... >>>>>> >> www.alliance21.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> All Arab Peasants & Agricultural Co-operatives Union >>>>>> >> F76arab@... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Associação Latino Americana de Organismos de Promoção (ALOP) >>>>>> >> info@... >>>>>> >> www.alop.or.cr >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Alternatives Information Center >>>>>> >> yahni@... >>>>>> >> www.alternativenews.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Alternatives >>>>>> >> alternatives@...< /a> >>>>>> >> www.alternatives.ca >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Alternative International >>>>>> >> www.alternatives.ca >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Alternatives Rússia >>>>>> >> dhrr@... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Amigos da Terra/Friends of the Earth >>>>>> >> foe@... >>>>>> >> www.foei.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> APRODEV >>>>>> >> aprodev@... >>>>>> >> www.aprodev.net >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Arab NGO Network for Development >>>>>> >> annd@... >>>>>> >> www.annd.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Asian Regional Exchange for New Alternatives (ARENA) >>>>>> >> arena@... >>>>>> >> www.asianexchange.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Articulación Feminista Marco Sur >>>>>> >> mujeresdelsur@... >>>>>> >> www.mujeresdelsur.org.uy >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Aliança Social Continental (ASC) >>>>>> >> sri_cut@... >>>>>> >> www.ascahsa.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Asemblea de los Pueblos del Caribe (APC) >>>>>> >> habitatcarib@..., pedroarg@... >>>>>> >> http://movimientos.org/caribe/ >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Assemblée Europeenne dês Citoyens >>>>>> >> cedetim@... >>>>>> >> www.cedetim.org/AEC >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Assembléia das Nações Unidas dos Povos >>>>>> >> flavio@... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Associação para o Progresso das Comunicações >>>>>> >> anriette@... >>>>>> >> www.apc.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> ATTAC- Brasil >>>>>> >> attacsaopaulo@... >>>>>> >> www.attac.org/brasil >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> ATTAC France >>>>>> >> attac@... >>>>>> >> http://attac.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Babels >>>>>> >> wsfsm@... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Bankwatch Network >>>>>> >> jozseff@... >>>>>> >> www.bankwatch.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Comité pour l’Annulation de la Dette du Tiers Monde (CADTM) >>>>>> >> cadtm@... >>>>>> >> http://users.skynet.be/cadtm >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Canadian Council >>>>>> >> Jdunn@... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Coordinación Andina de Organizaciones Indigenas (CAOI) >>>>>> >> coordinadorandinacaoi@... >>>>>> >> www.minkandina.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Caritas Internacionalis >>>>>> >> caritas.internationalis@... >>>>>> >> www.caritas.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Comissão Brasileira de Justiça e Paz (CBJP ) >>>>>> >> intercom@... >>>>>> >> www.cbjp.org.br >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Consejo de Educación de Adultos de América Latina (CEAAL) >>>>>> >> ceaal@... >>>>>> >> www.ceaal.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> CEDAR Internacional >>>>>> >> cedar@... >>>>>> >> www.cedarinternational.net >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Centre dEtudes et d Initiatives de Solidarité Internationale >>>>>> (CEDETIM) >>>>>> >> cedetim@... >>>>>> >> www.cedetim.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Central de Trabajadores Argentinos >>>>>> >> cta@... >>>>>> >> www.cta.org.ar >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> European Trade Union Confederation (CES) >>>>>> >> etuc@... >>>>>> >> www.etuc.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> CETRI >>>>>> >> cetri@... >>>>>> >> www.cetri.be >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> CIDSE >>>>>> >> postmaster@... >>>>>> >> www.cidse.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Confederação Internacional de Organizações Sindicais Livres (CIOSL) >>>>>> >> internetpo@... >>>>>> >> www.cioslorit.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Ciranda Internacional da Comunicação Compatilhada >>>>>> >> ciranda@... >>>>>> >> www.ciranda.net >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> CIVES >>>>>> >> cives@... >>>>>> >> www.cives.org.br >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Conselho Latino Americano de Ciências Sociais (CLACSO) >>>>>> >> clacsofsm@... >>>>>> >> www.clacso.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Canadian Labour Congress (CLC) >>>>>> >> sbenedict@... >>>>>> >> www.clc-ctc.ca >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Confederação Mundial do Trabalho (CMT) >>>>>> >> info@... >>>>>> >> www.cmt-wcl.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Coalición Internacional para el Hábitat >>>>>> >> hic-al@... >>>>>> >> http://www.hic-net.org/ >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Coligação para a Justiça Econômica >>>>>> >> viriatot@... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Convergência de los Movimientos de los Pueblos de las Américas >>>>>> (COMPA) >>>>>> >> colectivoredom_@... >>>>>> >> rgf@... >>>>>> >> http://www.sitiocompa.org/compa/index.php >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> CONAIE >>>>>> >> info@... >>>>>> >> http://conaie.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Congresso Nacional Indígena do México >>>>>> >> ceatl@... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Conselho Mundial de Igrejas >>>>>> >> info@... >>>>>> >> www.wcc-coe.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Coordenación del Foro “El Otro Davos” >>>>>> >> Page2@... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Coordenadora de Centrais Sindicais do Cone Sul >>>>>> >> eduardof@... >>>>>> >> http://www.sindicatomercosul.com.br/ >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Corpwatch >>>>>> >> corpwatch@... >>>>>> >> www.corpwatch.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Congress of South African Trade Unions (COSATU) >>>>>> >> cosatu@... >>>>>> >> www.cosatu.org.za >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Centre de Recherche et d´Information pour le Développment (CRID) >>>>>> >> info@... >>>>>> >> www.crid.asso.fr >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Confederación Sindical Internacional (CSI) >>>>>> >> claire.courteille@... >>>>>> >> http://www.ituc-csi.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Central Única dos Trabalhadores (CUT) >>>>>> >> sri-cut@... >>>>>> >> www.cut.org.br >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> E-joussour >>>>>> >> www.e-joussour.net >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Encuentros Hemisféricos contra el ALCA >>>>>> >> joel@... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> ENDA >>>>>> >> taoufik@... >>>>>> >> www.enda.sn >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Euralat >>>>>> >> Criera@... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Euromarches >>>>>> >> euromarches@... >>>>>> >> www.euromarches.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> FAMES >>>>>> >> rabia@... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Frente Continental de Organizações Comunitárias (FECOC) >>>>>> >> mlongoria@... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Federación Mundial de Juventudes Democráticas >>>>>> >> wfdy@... >>>>>> >> www.wfdy.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Féderation démocratique internationale des femmes (FDIF) >>>>>> >> fdif@... >>>>>> >> www.fdif.eu.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Fundación per la Pau/International Peace Bureau (IPB) >>>>>> >> mailbox@... >>>>>> >> www.ipb.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Food First International Action Network (FIAN) >>>>>> >> fian@... >>>>>> >> www.fian.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Federeação Internacional Direitos Humanos (FIDH) >>>>>> >> rsanchez@... >>>>>> >> www.fidh.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Freedom Legality And Rights in Europe (FLARE) >>>>>> >> info@... >>>>>> >> www.flarenetwork.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Focus on the Global South >>>>>> >> admin@... >>>>>> >> http://focusweb.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Fondation Frantz Fanon >>>>>> >> http://frantzfanonfoundation-fondationfrantzfanon.com/ >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Forum des Organisations de Solidarité Internationale issues des >>>>>> >> Migrations (FORIM) >>>>>> >> forim@... >>>>>> >> forim@... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Fórum Dakar >>>>>> >> Residel.kaolack@... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Forum Mondial des Alternatives >>>>>> >> ftm@... >>>>>> >> www.alternatives-action.org/fma >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Forum of the Poors >>>>>> >> fopthai@... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Fórum Social Italiano >>>>>> >> vagnoleto@... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Foundation for Socio-Economic Justice (FSEJ) >>>>>> >> fsej@... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> General Union of Oil Employees in Southern Iraq >>>>>> >> Contact: Farouk M. Sadiq Ismaa'l >>>>>> >> 101small@... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> GLBT South-South Dialogue >>>>>> >> dialogo@... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Global Commons Foundation >>>>>> >> www.www.globalcommonsfoundation.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Global Exchange >>>>>> >> admin@... >>>>>> >> www.globalexchange.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Global Policy Network >>>>>> >> gpn-listowner@... >>>>>> >> www.globalpolicynetwork.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Global Progressive Fórum >>>>>> >> info@... >>>>>> >> www.globalprogressiveforum.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Grassroots Global Justice >>>>>> >> ggj@... >>>>>> >> www.ggjalliance.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Greenpeace >>>>>> >> greenpeace.brazil@... >>>>>> >> http://www.greenpeace.org/ >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Grito dos Excluídos >>>>>> >> gritoexcluidos@... >>>>>> >> www.movimientos.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Grupo de Trabalho Amazônico >>>>>> >> www. gta.org.br >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Habitat Internation Coalition >>>>>> >> maite.martinez-pardo@... >>>>>> >> www.habitat-international-coalition.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Helsinki Citizens Assembly >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Herriak Aske >>>>>> >> international@... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy (IATP) >>>>>> >> khoff@... >>>>>> >> www.iatp.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> IBASE >>>>>> >> ibase@... >>>>>> >> www.ibase.br >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Conselho Internacional de Educação de Adultos (ICAE) >>>>>> >> icae@... >>>>>> >> http://www.icae.org.uy/spa/sindex.html >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> International Federationof Alternative Trade (IFAT) >>>>>> >> info@... >>>>>> >> www.ifat.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> International Forum on Globalization (IFG) >>>>>> >> ifg@... >>>>>> >> www.ifg.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> International Alliance of Habitants >>>>>> >> info@... >>>>>> >> www.habitants.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> International drama and education association (IDEA) >>>>>> >> www.idea-org.net >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> International Gender and Trade Network >>>>>> >> secretariat@... >>>>>> >> www.igtn.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> International Network of Street Papers (INSP) >>>>>> >> l.maclean@... >>>>>> >> irn@... >>>>>> >> www.irn.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> International Sport and Culture Association (ISCA) >>>>>> >> info@... >>>>>> >> www.isca-web.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Instituto Paulo Freire >>>>>> >> ipf@... >>>>>> >> www.paulofreire.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Institut Panos Afrique de l’Ouest (IPAO) >>>>>> >> info@... >>>>>> >> www.panos-ao.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Inter Press Service (IPS) >>>>>> >> kosi@... >>>>>> >> www.ips.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Union of Arab Community Based Organisations(Ittijah) >>>>>> >> ittijah@... >>>>>> >> www.ittijah.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Jubilee South – Asia >>>>>> >> vinod.raina@... >>>>>> >> www.jubileesouth.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Jubileo South – África >>>>>> >> aidc@... >>>>>> >> www.jubileesouth.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Jubileu 2000 >>>>>> >> kitazawa@... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Jubileu Sul América Latina >>>>>> >> keeneba@... >>>>>> >> www.jubileusul.hpg.com.br >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> KCTU - Korean Confederation of Trade Unions >>>>>> >> inter@... >>>>>> >> www.kctu.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Kenya Debt Network >>>>>> >> sodnet@... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> KOPA >>>>>> >> kopa@... >>>>>> >> http://antiwto.jinbo.net/eroom/index.html >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Kurdish Network >>>>>> >> kurdishnetwork@... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Land Research Action Network >>>>>> >> wellington@... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> May First/People Link >>>>>> >> info@... >>>>>> >> www.mayfirst.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Movimento dos Trabalhadores Sem Terra (MST) >>>>>> >> srimst@... >>>>>> >> www.mst.org.br >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Narmada >>>>>> >> subbu@... >>>>>> >> www.narmada.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> National Network of Autonomous Women’s Groups >>>>>> >> shahnandita@... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Network Institute for Global Democratization (NIGD) >>>>>> >> katarina@... >>>>>> >> www.nigd.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> No Vox International >>>>>> >> no-vox@... >>>>>> >> www.no-vox.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> North-South Centre >>>>>> >> Fifi.BENABOUD@... >>>>>> >> www.coe.int/T/E/North-South_Centre >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Continental Organization of Latin America and Caribbean Students >>>>>> (OCLAE) >>>>>> >> oclae@... >>>>>> >> www.oclae.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Organization of African Trade Unions Unity >>>>>> >> oatuu@... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Organização Regional Interamericana de Trabalhadores (ORIT) >>>>>> >> info@... >>>>>> >> www.orit-ciosl.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Organization de la Jeunesse Africaine >>>>>> >> http://www.ojafrique.org/ >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> OXFAM Internacional >>>>>> >> information@... >>>>>> >> www.oxfam.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Palestinian grassroots Anti-Apartheid Wall Campaign >>>>>> >> mobilize@... >>>>>> >> www.stopthewall.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Peace Boat >>>>>> >> y-nami@... >>>>>> >> www.peaceboat.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Peoples Health Movement >>>>>> >> secretariat@... >>>>>> >> http://www.phmovement.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Plataforma Interamericana de Derechos Humanos, Democracia y >>>>>> Desarrollo >>>>>> >> regional@... >>>>>> >> www.pidhdd.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> PPEHRC – Poor People’s Economic Human Rights Campaign >>>>>> >> kwru@... >>>>>> >> www.economichumanrights.org >>>>>> >> www.kwru.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Projeto K >>>>>> >> Salvatore.cannavo@... >>>>>> >> ilpanelerose@... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Public Citizen >>>>>> >> tgerson@... >>>>>> >> www.citizen.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Red Latinoamericana Mulheres Transformando a Economia >>>>>> >> mleon@... >>>>>> >> remte@... >>>>>> >> http://movimientos.org/remte >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Rede APM – Agricultures paysannes, sociétés et mondialisation >>>>>> >> pvuarin@... >>>>>> >> www.zooide.com/apm >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Rede CONSEU (Conferencia de Naciones sin Estado de Europa) >>>>>> >> activitats@... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Rede Dawn de Mulheres >>>>>> >> dawn@... >>>>>> >> www.dawn.org.fj >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Rede de Solidariedade Ásia Pacífico >>>>>> >> intl@... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Rede Latino-Americana e Caribenha de Mulheres Negras >>>>>> >> criola@... >>>>>> >> www.criola.ong.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Rede Mulher e Habitat >>>>>> >> gem@... >>>>>> >> http://www.redmujer.org.ar >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Rede Mundial de Mulheres pelos Direitos Reprodutivos >>>>>> >> office@... >>>>>> >> www.wgnrr.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Rede Palestina de ONGs >>>>>> >> bisanrd@... >>>>>> >> www.pngo.net >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Rede Social de Justiça e Direitos Humanos >>>>>> >> rede@... >>>>>> >> www.social.org.br >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Rede Transforme! >>>>>> >> elgauthi@... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Redes Socioeconomia Solidaria >>>>>> >> creintjes@... >>>>>> >> www.reasnet.com >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Rede de Educação Popular entre Mulheres (REPEM) >>>>>> >> repem@... >>>>>> >> www.repem.org.uy >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Réseau Ouest Africain des Alternatives pour le Developpement (ROAD) >>>>>> >> jubilecad-mali@..., barryaminatou@... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Southern Initiative on Globalisation and Trade Union Rights >>>>>> (SIGTUR) >>>>>> >> rlambert@... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Social Movement Indaba >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Social Watch >>>>>> >> socwatch@... >>>>>> >> www.socialwatch.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Social Development Network (SODNET) >>>>>> >> sodnet@... >>>>>> >> http://www.sodnet.or.ke >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Solidar >>>>>> >> solidar@... >>>>>> >> www.solidar.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Solidarity Africa Network in Action >>>>>> >> njoki@... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> The International Federation Terre des Hommes (IFTDH) >>>>>> >> info@... >>>>>> >> www.terredeshommes.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Transnational Information Exchange (TIE) >>>>>> >> tie@... >>>>>> >> http://www.tie-brasil.org/tie.php >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Transnational Institute (TNI) >>>>>> >> tni@... >>>>>> >> www.tni.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Third World Network (TWN) >>>>>> >> twn@... >>>>>> >> www.twnside.org.sg >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> UBUNTU - 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Thank >>>>>> you for >>>>>> >> > taking over & carrying the load. >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > I am sure you, with the rest of the world, witnessed the recent >>>>>> killings >>>>>> >> > of >>>>>> >> > striking mine workers at the Lonmin Mine here in Marikane, it has >>>>>> >> > shocked >>>>>> >> > the world & here in South Africa we are trying to come to grips >>>>>> with the >>>>>> >> > loss of lives and to make sense of this brutality. >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > But for now I will follow the discussions & continue >>>>>> participating >>>>>> >> > actively >>>>>> >> > in the group shortly. >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > In solidarity >>>>>> >> > wilhelmina >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > On 20 August 2012 22:41, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please >>>>>> respond as >>>>>> >> >> soon as posible >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; >>>>>> por favor >>>>>> >> >> respondan pronto >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> Gina >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> (Inglès: ver abajo) >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo! >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas >>>>>> reacciones >>>>>> >> >>> que >>>>>> >> >>> suscita. >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos >>>>>> propuestas: >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> - El protocol >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> - El plan de trabajo >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere >>>>>> decir. >>>>>> >> >>> El >>>>>> >> >>> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de >>>>>> nuestro >>>>>> >> >>> grupo? >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las >>>>>> >> >>> responsabilidades? >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos >>>>>> grupos, >>>>>> >> >>> seria >>>>>> >> >>> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar. >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege >>>>>> tienen >>>>>> >> >>> razon. >>>>>> >> >>> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos >>>>>> todas las >>>>>> >> >>> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los >>>>>> miembros >>>>>> >> >>> del CI >>>>>> >> >>> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, >>>>>> seria un >>>>>> >> >>> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso >>>>>> lo dudo … >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo >>>>>> tendrian que >>>>>> >> >>> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos? >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario? >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar … >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> Esperando las noticias. >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> Francine >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done. >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about >>>>>> the lack >>>>>> >> >>> of >>>>>> >> >>> reactions … >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two >>>>>> proposals: >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> - Protocol >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> - A working plan >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think >>>>>> of the >>>>>> >> >>> ‘rules of the game’ our working-group has to follow and >>>>>> respect? >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with >>>>>> >> >>> responsibilities? >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different >>>>>> >> >>> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something >>>>>> we have >>>>>> >> >>> to >>>>>> >> >>> avoid, I think. >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and >>>>>> Liege are >>>>>> >> >>> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group >>>>>> if all >>>>>> >> >>> messages >>>>>> >> >>> go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there >>>>>> also is a >>>>>> >> >>> need >>>>>> >> >>> for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it >>>>>> coule be a >>>>>> >> >>> kind >>>>>> >> >>> of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in >>>>>> writing … >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the >>>>>> working-group to >>>>>> >> >>> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with >>>>>> >> >>> priority? >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire? >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help … >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> Waiting for more news, >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> Francine >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...] >>>>>> >> >>> Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01 >>>>>> >> >>> Aan: wg-about-future@... >>>>>> >> >>> Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro >>>>>> trabajo. >>>>>> >> >>> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar. >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can >>>>>> continue >>>>>> >> >>> working. Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to >>>>>> work. >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I >>>>>> have >>>>>> >> >>> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of >>>>>> you that >>>>>> >> >>> know >>>>>> >> >>> both can check? >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> besos >>>>>> >> >>> Gina >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a >>>>>> traves de >>>>>> >> >>> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona. >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this >>>>>> list. >>>>>> >> >>> This is a prove to see if it functions. >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> Gina >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> -- >>>>>> >> >>> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345032103842 >>>>>> >> >>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >>>>>> >> >>> wg-about-future@.... Please contact >>>>>> >> >>> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions. >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> -- >>>>>> >> >>> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345385242518 >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >>>>>> >> >>> wg-about-future@.... 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(English below) Muchisimas gracias Gina, espero lo mejor para tu madre! La propuesta me parece bien, aunque tengo algunas dudas sobre grupos de trabajo que siempre tienen el riesgo de fragmentacion y que muchas veces quedan muy poco espacio para otros para enmiendas mas tarde. No sé como van a funcionar? Con una comunicacion a tod@s del grupo o no? Pienso también que Helio hizo unos puntos muy relevantes en su ultimo mail - gracias Helio eso esta incluida en el punto 4? Y tienes toda la razon Gina, ya hemos hecho muho trabajo en el pasado. Por eso que temo que nuestro problema mas grande no esta en las estructuras, sino en las relaciones personales, falta de responsabilidad y accountability, etc Ya veremos. Esperando que nuestro trabajo pueda ser util para el futuro. Qué hacer con todas las personas que estan en la lista y nunca reaccionaron a ningun mensaje? Francine May thanks Gina, I hope your mother is going better. Wishing you and her all the best. I think your proposal is ok, even if I have some doubts on working groups that always have a risk of frgmentation and very often do not leave any space for other to amend the results as soon as they are there . How are these groups going to work? With communication to all other members of our group? I also think Helio made somevery relevant points in his last e-mail thanks Helio is this going to be included in point 4? And yes, you are right Gina, we already did quite some work in the past. That is why I am afraid that our main problemis with personal relationships, more than with structures. There is a lack of responsibilities, of accountability, etc. But ok, we will see. I do hope our work can be useful for the future. By the way, what to do with all the people who are on our list but never reacted to any message? Francine Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...] Verzonden: 27 August 2012 04:24 Aan: wg-about-future@... Onderwerp: Re: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona Please see the attachments and we comunicate soon! We have to organise also a team for traslation.! Por favor lean los adjuntos y nos comunicamos pronto Y tenemos que organizar un equipo de traduccion! Gina 2012/8/22 Jason Nardi <jason.nardi@...> Hi Rita, I know... that's why also the institutional website badly needs to be updated altogether and we are waiting for some signal of life from Helio... since we already have discussed for a long time in the communication commission - as you know - to have a new portal website, collecting together all the functions and information needed for a modern communication. But apparently we cannot proceed unless "the office" says ok... Which brings up the issue of who is responsible for what and who takes decisions of this sort (I have raised this countless times in the IC). But I don't want to be polemic here ;-) ciao Jason On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:57 PM, rita freire <ritafreir@...> wrote: Jason This list is not mine, it is the list open in the institutional website, wich needs to be updated Rita On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Jason Nardi <jason.nardi@...> wrote: > Dear all, > > I've been following and read most of the messages up to now. I haven't had > time to write my contribution yet (I just came back from my summer > vacation). But I'm happy to see that something is moving... > > I like Sara's approach and agree that we should have more frequent online > meetings. > > Rita - the list you sent is old, in fact very old. Is it possible to have > an updated one? In a short time? > > ciao from a very warm Italy > Jason > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:59 PM, rita freire <ritafreir@...> wrote: >> >> Agree >> >> Also the list of the IC members/organizations in this group, >> If it can help, bellow you find the list of members of the IC >> >> Rita >> >> >> 50 Years is Enough! >> 50years@... >> www.50years.org >> >> Associação Brasileira de ONGs (ABONG) >> abong@... >> www.abong.org.br >> >> >> Action Aid International (AAI) >> mail.jhb@... >> www.actionaid.org >> >> Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU) >> mailbox@... >> www.actu.asn.au >> >> American Federation of Labor-Congress of Industrial Organizations >> (AFL-CIO) >> feedback@... >> www.aflcio.org/home.htm >> >> Africa Trade Network >> aidc@... >> http://africatradenetwork.com >> >> Alternative Information on Development Center (AIDC) >> aidc@... >> http://aidc.org.za >> >> Agencia Latinoamericana de Información (AIDC) >>
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