OK,
works for me. thanks!
Micha
On 12-08-13 06:08 PM, Jennifer Cox wrote:
> ok
> Besos, kisses to all
> Jen
>
> *From:* Vinod Raina <vinodraina@...>
> *To:* wg-about-future@...
> *Sent:* Monday, August 13, 2012 11:38 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [WG about future] confirmando que funciona
>
> okay.
> Vinod
>
> On 13 August 2012 19:09, Chico - Intercom <intercom@... 
> <mailto:intercom@...>> wrote:
>
>     ok, Chico W.
>
>
>     rita freire escreveu:
>>
>>
>>     On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:42 PM, gina vargas
>>     <ginvargas@... <mailto:ginvargas@...>> wrote:
>>     > Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
>>     > esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
>>     >
>>     > Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list.
>>     > This is a prove to see if it functions.
>>     >
>>     > Gina
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > --
>>     > Archive:
>>     http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1344786197684
>>     > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to
>>     wg-about-future@...
>>     <mailto:wg-about-future@...>.  Please contact
>>     wg-about-future-manager@...
>>     <mailto:wg-about-future-manager@...> for questions.
>>
>>
>>
>>     --
>>     Archive:
>>     http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1344831103491
>>     To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to
>>     wg-about-future@...
>>     <mailto:wg-about-future@...>. Please contact
>>     wg-about-future-manager@...
>>     <mailto:wg-about-future-manager@...> for questions.
>
>
>
>     --
>     Archive:
>     http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1344865234975
>     To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to
>     wg-about-future@...
>     <mailto:wg-about-future@...>. Please contact
>     wg-about-future-manager@...
>     <mailto:wg-about-future-manager@...> for questions.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Archive: 
> http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1344872324274
> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to 
> wg-about-future@.... Please contact 
> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[...]/1344874138238 
> <http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1344874138238>
> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to 
> wg-about-future@... 
> <mailto:wg-about-future@...>. Please contact 
> wg-about-future-manager@... 
> <mailto:wg-about-future-manager@...> for questions.

Attachments

text.html (text/html) 8.7 kB

image.gif (image/gif) 1 kB

test

On 13 August 2012 19:08, Jennifer Cox <jenkwru@...> wrote:

> ok
> Besos, kisses to all
> Jen
>
>    *From:* Vinod Raina <vinodraina@...>
> *To:* wg-about-future@...
> *Sent:* Monday, August 13, 2012 11:38 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [WG about future] confirmando que funciona
>
> okay.
> Vinod
>
> On 13 August 2012 19:09, Chico - Intercom <intercom@...>wrote:
>
> **
> ok, Chico W.
>
>
> rita freire escreveu:
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:42 PM, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote:
> > Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
> > esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
> >
> > Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list.
> > This is a prove to see if it functions.
> >
> > Gina
> >
> >
> > --
> > Archive:
> http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1344786197684
> > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to
> wg-about-future@....  Please contact
> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions.
>
>
>
> --
> Archive:
> http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1344831103491
>
> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to
> wg-about-future@.... Please contact
> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Archive:
> http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1344865234975
>
> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to
> wg-about-future@.... Please contact
> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Archive:
> http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1344872324274
>
> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to
> wg-about-future@.... Please contact
> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1344874138238<http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1344874138238>
>
> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to
> wg-about-future@.... Please contact
> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions.
>



-- 
Dr. Giuseppe Caruso
Post-Doctoral Researcher
Erik Castrén Institute of International Law and Human Rights - University
of Helsinki
PO Box 4 (Yliopistonkatu, 3)
00014 Helsinki - Finland
email: giu.caruso@...
giuseppe.caruso@...
tel. +358 9191 23525
Mobile: +358 (0) 44 2222 848
giuseppecaruso.wordpress.com

Attachments

text.html (text/html) 6.0 kB

Only in English

Perdon a todas pero no puedo traducir al castellano esta vez, estoy agotado
con el trabajo


gina thank you so much for this, it is a great way to put what has happened
so far into a workable agenda. i find the three moments a good way to start
working. so let us indeed. i write below few questions and my understanding
of what needs to be done in practice to respond to your input:

my questions are:

1. it is not clear yet to me who is in this group and the languages spoken:
how many are we? how much work can anyone put into this?

2. subgroups are perhaps the only way in which we can carry out the tasks
that you highlight gina: single language groups can work fast and
effectively and later share material that will be translated

3. on the detailed points you sent us:

            a. it is possible to compile from your report of the working
group in monastir, what are the issues people want this group to address.
so we could list them and draft possible approaches to them (of course more
can be added by members of this group at any time)

             b. membership, very basic task: is helio happy to do this as
you suggest? is there anyway any of us can help you Helio

             c. rules! well i perhaps prefer to call them guidelines...
Chico's document is dense of the memory of the IC and how protocols of
participation and inclusion had been formalised (who sits where, who speaks
when etc.). I add that our movements have an extraordinary tradition of
democratic meeting and decision-making, their experiences could be gleaned
to contribute to how we run our meetings etc. (my general impression is
that we have discarded a couple of centuries of experience in that sense...
and tried to reinvent the wheel at times...)

4. collecting and discussing the core documents of the process and discuss
them (and perhaps formulate one document that is a distilled of those and
can work as premise or something to the document we are producing)

*In Practice*
it seems that these are the things that could be done to respond to your
input Gina

*a.* collecting membership information (to do what with it? perhaps engage
each member at a time, call them ask them why they are or are not
participating and what would they like to see changed in the IC? this could
be fun indeed),
*
*
*b*. draft guidelines for meetings, decision making, sub-groups etc. (to do
this perhaps research decision-making among activist groups across the
globe),
*
*
*c*. compile the "culture of the ic" through its main documents (perhaps
with in mind to draft a unique document to add to our final piece of work)

*d*. list all the things people have listed so far in terms of limitations
of the IC organisational architecture and dynamics

*e*. imagine a possible architecture for the IC that according to us
responds to all the above work

I am prepared to put work in these tasks of course... and i may have more
time than others (as i am unemployed - i guess you say in between projects
nowadays - at the moment)

abrazos
giuseppe

P.S. i am finishing to edit my book on the wsf (long overdue). the
manuscript for the editor (INTO publishing) will be ready soon. There are
several sections that are relevant to the work of this group... should you
be interested in reading it i can send anyone who so wishes a copy. the
book will be soon available in a free soft format (free as in free speech
and as in free beer) on the publishers website, more on this later...





On 21 August 2012 00:24, rita freire <ritafreir@...> wrote:

> Thank you Gina, for this facilitation. I am reading everything,
> between some meetings these days. I will send some sugestions/opinion
> as soon I can.
>
> Gracias Gina, por la faciliación. Tengo leído todo, mientras tomo
> parte de unos encuentros por esta semana. Voy a envyar mis
> sugestiones/ opiniones muy pronto. On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:41 PM,
> gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote:
> >  dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please respond as
> soon
> > as posible
> >
> > amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por favor
> > respondan pronto
> >
> >
> > Gina
> >
> >
> > 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...>
> >>
> >> (Inglès: ver abajo)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo!
> >>
> >> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones
> que
> >> suscita.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -          El protocol
> >>
> >> -          El plan de trabajo
> >>
> >> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir. El
> >> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro
> grupo?
> >>
> >> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las responsabilidades?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos, seria
> >> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen
> razon.
> >> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las
> >> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros
> del CI
> >> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un
> >> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo …
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que
> >> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos?
> >>
> >> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar …
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Esperando las noticias.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Francine
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done.
> >>
> >> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack of
> >> reactions …
> >>
> >> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals:
> >>
> >> -          Protocol
> >>
> >> -          A working plan
> >>
> >> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the
> ‘rules
> >> of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect?
> >>
> >> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with
> >> responsibilities?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different
> >> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have to
> >> avoid, I think.
> >>
> >> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are
> >> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all
> messages
> >> go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also is a
> need
> >> for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule be a
> kind
> >> of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing …
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to
> >> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with
> priority?
> >>
> >> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help …
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Waiting for more news,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Francine
> >>
> >> Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...]
> >> Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01
> >> Aan: wg-about-future@...
> >> Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo.
> >> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar.
> >>
> >> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue
> >> working.  Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work.
> >>
> >> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have
> >> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that
> know
> >> both can check?
> >>
> >> besos
> >> Gina
> >>
> >> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...>
> >>
> >> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
> >> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
> >>
> >> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list.
> >> This is a prove to see if it functions.
> >>
> >> Gina
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345032103842
> >> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to
> >> wg-about-future@.... Please contact
> >> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345385242518
> >>
> >> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to
> >> wg-about-future@.... Please contact
> >> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345495359711
> >
> > To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to
> > wg-about-future@.... Please contact
> > wg-about-future-manager@... for questions.
>
>
> --
> Archive:
> http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345497908544
> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to
> wg-about-future@....  Please contact
> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions.
>



-- 
Dr. Giuseppe Caruso
Post-Doctoral Researcher
Erik Castrén Institute of International Law and Human Rights - University
of Helsinki
PO Box 4 (Yliopistonkatu, 3)
00014 Helsinki - Finland
email: giu.caruso@...
giuseppe.caruso@...
tel. +358 9191 23525
Mobile: +358 (0) 44 2222 848
giuseppecaruso.wordpress.com

Attachments

text.html (text/html) 13.0 kB

Wilhelmina, our solidarity with the familie, friends of the mine
workers and the people in Marikane. Let us to now how to join you/them
to express our protest against this brutality.

PORTUGUESE SOON

ENGLISH:

Gina and compas, I sugest some tasks we need to face those should to
be added in the Working plan

The first one is to define more clearly the diferentiation of the
roles in the process WSF

1)  IC body/meetings
2) WSF process itself
3) WSF editions

We need to make it clear in order to don't give to the WSF IC meeting
the same sense of one small WSF's edition. We should preserve the
presential opportunity of the expensive IC meetings to be usefull for
the process, (eg, taking the decisions and making the crucial debates
that WSF process put on the table of the WSF IC),

Some definition should be taken, in my opinion:

1)  IC body (as facilitation body, with rules about who and why and
for what are in the body),

2) WSF process (all the activities and movement and commitments under
the Principles of the WSF. / People should to be actively part of it,
before to come to the IC membership),

3) WSF editions (workd, regional, local or thematic events, as moments
of meeting, joint, struggles expression, exchange of agenda and to
doorway the WSF process, with some clear criteria of metodology and
transparence to part of the WSF process).

IC POLITICAL TASKS

We have also some roles, at this moment under reponsability of IC
commissions, those we should to define how to do and to be made better
than now (in the new dynamic or protocol)

1) Receive, discuss, formulate and offer strategies (eg where and how
strengthen the resistance movement and struggles to transform the
world?),

2)  Receive and discuss methodological contributions coming from
events, meetings, and the process, formulate and provide inputs. Also
help the organizing committes to put them into practice

3) To communicate and Mobilize comunication (adopt policies
communication compatible with the struggle for this right in the
world)

4) Take the sustainability of the IC as collective responsibility,
establishing transparent forms of mobilizing and managing resources to
support the international process

5) Assure the expansion of the IC as an expression of the map of
resistences in the world

6) Make all the process open, visible, interactive with documents and
accounts open, clear decision making process,

7) interconnect the work concerning the IC decisions and prepare the
meetings of the IC (some tasks that were in the hands of the liason
group   WSF Office)

Regards
Rita

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Wilhelmina Trout WMW
<wilhelmina@...> wrote:
> Dear Gina
> my sincerest apologies for not being present these past days in these
> discussions, after my last task of sending you my notes.  Thank you for
> taking over & carrying the load.
>
> I am sure you, with the rest of the world, witnessed the recent killings of
> striking mine workers at the Lonmin Mine here in Marikane, it has shocked
> the world & here in South Africa we are trying to come to grips with the
> loss of lives and to make sense of this brutality.
>
> But for now I will follow the discussions & continue participating actively
> in the group shortly.
>
> In solidarity
> wilhelmina
>
> On 20 August 2012 22:41, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote:
>>
>>  dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please respond as
>> soon as posible
>>
>> amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por favor
>> respondan pronto
>>
>>
>> Gina
>>
>>
>> 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...>
>>>
>>> (Inglès: ver abajo)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo!
>>>
>>> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones que
>>> suscita.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -          El protocol
>>>
>>> -          El plan de trabajo
>>>
>>> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir. El
>>> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro grupo?
>>>
>>> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las responsabilidades?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos, seria
>>> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen razon.
>>> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las
>>> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros del CI
>>> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un
>>> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo …
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que
>>> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos?
>>>
>>> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar …
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Esperando las noticias.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Francine
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done.
>>>
>>> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack of
>>> reactions …
>>>
>>> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals:
>>>
>>> -          Protocol
>>>
>>> -          A working plan
>>>
>>> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the
>>> ‘rules of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect?
>>>
>>> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with
>>> responsibilities?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different
>>> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have to
>>> avoid, I think.
>>>
>>> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are
>>> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all messages
>>> go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also is a need
>>> for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule be a kind
>>> of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing …
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to
>>> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with priority?
>>>
>>> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help …
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Waiting for more news,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Francine
>>>
>>> Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...]
>>> Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01
>>> Aan: wg-about-future@...
>>> Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo.
>>> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar.
>>>
>>> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue
>>> working.  Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work.
>>>
>>> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have
>>> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that know
>>> both can check?
>>>
>>> besos
>>> Gina
>>>
>>> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...>
>>>
>>> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
>>> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
>>>
>>> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list.
>>> This is a prove to see if it functions.
>>>
>>> Gina
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345032103842
>>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to
>>> wg-about-future@.... Please contact
>>> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345385242518
>>>
>>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to
>>> wg-about-future@.... Please contact
>>> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345495359711
>>
>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to
>> wg-about-future@.... Please contact
>> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345560692277
>
> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to
> wg-about-future@.... Please contact
> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions.

Wilhelmina, Condolences on the heartless killings of miners leaving behind widows without means for their livelihoods!

FUTURE OF WSF/IC: 

Thanks Gina for summary of Monastir Working Group & discussion summary. 

Below is my contribution on both summaries:

1) STUCTURE: IC must be a horizontal collective of activists to facilitate bi-annual WSF editions (ie selecting forum themes & issues & constituting working groups as need be); 

2) MEMBERSHIP: All attendants @ each six-monthly IC meetings shall be considered as members for that particular meeting to participate on equal footing with previous participants; 

3) AGENDA: Draft must be shared beforehand & adjusted accordingly & adhered to in the IC meeting; 

4) IC/CHAIR: Co-Chairs & Co-Rapporteurs of IC sessions should be on regional rotation basis & responsible for summary reports @ final plenary session & sharing final reports online;

5) SPEAKERS: Speaking time should be ten minutes maximum per speaker & no repetition (withdraw microphone if exceeds) regardless of speaker in order to have more speakers, save time & adhere to the Agenda; 

6) BACKGROUND: Previous IC attendants shall provide background/historical memory for continuity & cohesion in transparent manner in the main meetings & working groups; 

7) DOCUMENTS: Summary minutes & reports from previous working groups must be shared together with the Agenda (prior to the IC meeting dates) in English & author's language at least.

8) GUIDING Principles: These are principles but not rules. These include: WSF Charter & policies adopted by IC for its operational purpose, working groups & global regional social forum chapters. 

9) THIS WORKING GROUP:

9a) I agree with Gina that the core-members are those persons that attended the Monastir working group BUT open to interested individuals NOT entire membership;

9b) Gina must continue to make periodic summaries of points made;

9c) A deadline is needed to bring to an end the debate, followed by an analysis of the inputs & share with this membership for comments & revise accordingly as a zero draft report;

9d) Submit the zero draft report to IC members online for their comments BUT present final report & priory comments received @ IC meeting for decision on proposals therein.

Warm regards

Sara

Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone provided by Airtel Zambia.

-----Original Message-----
From: Wilhelmina Trout WMW <wilhelmina@...>
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 16:51:26 
To: <wg-about-future@...>
Reply-To: wg-about-future@...
Subject: Re: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona

Dear Gina
my sincerest apologies for not being present these past days in these
discussions, after my last task of sending you my notes.  Thank you for
taking over & carrying the load.

I am sure you, with the rest of the world, witnessed the recent killings of
striking mine workers at the Lonmin Mine here in Marikane, it has shocked
the world & here in South Africa we are trying to come to grips with the
loss of lives and to make sense of this brutality.

But for now I will follow the discussions & continue participating actively
in the group shortly.

In solidarity
wilhelmina

On 20 August 2012 22:41, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote:

>  dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please respond as
> soon as posible
>
> amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por favor
> respondan pronto
>
>
> Gina
>
>
> 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...>
>
>> (Inglès: ver abajo)****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo!****
>>
>> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones que
>> suscita.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas:***
>> *
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> **-          **El protocol****
>>
>> **-          **El plan de trabajo****
>>
>> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir. El
>> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro grupo?
>> ****
>>
>> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las responsabilidades?**
>> **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos, seria
>> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen razon.
>> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las
>> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros del CI
>> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un
>> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo … **
>> **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que
>> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos?****
>>
>> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario?****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar …****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Esperando las noticias.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Francine****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done.****
>>
>> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack of
>> reactions …****
>>
>> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals:****
>>
>> **-          **Protocol****
>>
>> **-          **A working plan****
>>
>> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the
>> ‘rules of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect?****
>>
>> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with
>> responsibilities?****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different
>> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have to
>> avoid, I think.****
>>
>> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are
>> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all
>> messages go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also
>> is a need for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule
>> be a kind of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing
>> …****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to
>> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with priority?
>> ****
>>
>> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire?****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help …****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Waiting for more news,****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Francine****
>>
>> *Van:* gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@... <ginvargas@...>]
>> *Verzonden:* 15 August 2012 14:01
>> *Aan:* wg-about-future@...
>> *Onderwerp:* [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo.
>> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar.
>>
>> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue
>> working.  Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work.
>>
>> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have
>> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that know
>> both can check?
>>
>> besos
>> Gina****
>>
>> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...>****
>>
>> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
>> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
>>
>> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list.
>> This is a prove to see if it functions.
>>
>> Gina****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345032103842<http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345032103842>
>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to
>> wg-about-future@.... Please contact
>> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions.****
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345385242518<http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345385242518>
>>
>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to
>> wg-about-future@.... Please contact
>> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345495359711<http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345495359711>
>
> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to
> wg-about-future@.... Please contact
> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions.
>


--
Archive: http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345560692277
To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to wg-about-future@....  Please contact wg-about-future-manager@... for questions.

Attachments

text.html (text/html) 19.5 kB

Dear Wilhermina, yes, we all know about the killings! it is really
shocking. Mantain us informed.

besos

Gina

2012/8/21 Wilhelmina Trout WMW <wilhelmina@...>

> Dear Gina
> my sincerest apologies for not being present these past days in these
> discussions, after my last task of sending you my notes.  Thank you for
> taking over & carrying the load.
>
> I am sure you, with the rest of the world, witnessed the recent killings
> of striking mine workers at the Lonmin Mine here in Marikane, it has
> shocked the world & here in South Africa we are trying to come to grips
> with the loss of lives and to make sense of this brutality.
>
> But for now I will follow the discussions & continue participating
> actively in the group shortly.
>
> In solidarity
> wilhelmina
>
> On 20 August 2012 22:41, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote:
>
>>  dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please respond as
>> soon as posible
>>
>> amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por favor
>> respondan pronto
>>
>>
>> Gina
>>
>>
>> 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...>
>>
>>> (Inglès: ver abajo)****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo!****
>>>
>>> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones
>>> que suscita.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas:**
>>> **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> **-          **El protocol****
>>>
>>> **-          **El plan de trabajo****
>>>
>>> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir. El
>>> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro grupo?
>>> ****
>>>
>>> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las responsabilidades?*
>>> ***
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos, seria
>>> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen
>>> razon. Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las
>>> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros del CI
>>> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un
>>> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo … *
>>> ***
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que
>>> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos?****
>>>
>>> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario?****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar …****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Esperando las noticias.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Francine****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done.****
>>>
>>> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack of
>>> reactions …****
>>>
>>> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals:****
>>>
>>> **-          **Protocol****
>>>
>>> **-          **A working plan****
>>>
>>> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the
>>> ‘rules of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect?****
>>>
>>> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with
>>> responsibilities?****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different
>>> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have to
>>> avoid, I think.****
>>>
>>> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are
>>> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all
>>> messages go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also
>>> is a need for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule
>>> be a kind of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing
>>> …****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to
>>> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with priority?
>>> ****
>>>
>>> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire?****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help …****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Waiting for more news,****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Francine****
>>>
>>> *Van:* gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@... <ginvargas@...>]
>>> *Verzonden:* 15 August 2012 14:01
>>> *Aan:* wg-about-future@...
>>> *Onderwerp:* [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo.
>>> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar.
>>>
>>> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue
>>> working.  Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work.
>>>
>>> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have
>>> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that know
>>> both can check?
>>>
>>> besos
>>> Gina****
>>>
>>> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...>****
>>>
>>> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
>>> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
>>>
>>> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list.
>>> This is a prove to see if it functions.
>>>
>>> Gina****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345032103842<http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345032103842>
>>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to
>>> wg-about-future@.... Please contact
>>> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions.****
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345385242518<http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345385242518>
>>>
>>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to
>>> wg-about-future@.... Please contact
>>> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345495359711<http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345495359711>
>>
>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to
>> wg-about-future@.... Please contact
>> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345560692277<http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345560692277>
>
> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to
> wg-about-future@.... Please contact
> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions.
>

Attachments

text.html (text/html) 16.9 kB

Dear Wilhermina

we are with you in solidarity
and with all the workers of striking mine

we are sure that social justice will be on the road of this fundamental 
struggle

In solidarity

gustave massiah
representative of CRID at the IC of WSF






Le 21/08/2012 16:51, Wilhelmina Trout WMW a écrit :
> Dear Gina
> my sincerest apologies for not being present these past days in these 
> discussions, after my last task of sending you my notes.  Thank you 
> for taking over & carrying the load.
> I am sure you, with the rest of the world, witnessed the recent 
> killings of striking mine workers at the Lonmin Mine here in Marikane, 
> it has shocked the world & here in South Africa we are trying to come 
> to grips with the loss of lives and to make sense of this brutality.
> But for now I will follow the discussions & continue participating 
> actively in the group shortly.
> In solidarity
> wilhelmina
>
> On 20 August 2012 22:41, gina vargas <ginvargas@... 
> <mailto:ginvargas@...>> wrote:
>
>      dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please
>     respond as soon as posible
>
>     amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por
>     favor respondan pronto
>
>
>     Gina
>
>
>     2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...
>     <mailto:mestrum@...>>
>
>         (Inglès: ver abajo)
>
>         Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo!
>
>         Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas
>         reacciones que suscita.
>
>         Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos
>         propuestas:
>
>         -El protocol
>
>         -El plan de trabajo
>
>         Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere
>         decir. El protocol: se trata de establecer las 'reglas del
>         juego' de nuestro grupo?
>
>         Y el 'plan de trabajo': las distintas tareas con las
>         responsabilidades?
>
>         No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos
>         grupos, seria una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que
>         evitar.
>
>         En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege
>         tienen razon. Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si
>         mandamos todas las infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro
>         lado, pienso que los miembros del CI tienen una
>         necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un
>         ejercicio de 'catarsis', pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso
>         lo dudo ...
>
>         Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo
>         tendrian que mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que
>         ser discutidos?
>
>         Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario?
>
>         No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar ...
>
>         Esperando las noticias.
>
>         Francine
>
>         Thank you very much Gina for all the work done.
>
>         Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about
>         the lack of reactions ...
>
>         I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two
>         proposals:
>
>         -Protocol
>
>         -A working plan
>
>         I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think
>         of the 'rules of the game' our working-group has to follow and
>         respect?
>
>         Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with
>         responsibilities?
>
>         I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in
>         different sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation,
>         something we have to avoid, I think.
>
>         Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and
>         Liege are right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a
>         working group if all messages go to the whole of the IC. On
>         the other hand, I think there also is a need for all members
>         of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule be a kind of
>         'catharsis', though I am not sure they will do this in writing ...
>
>         Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the
>         working-group to send a list of points they think will have to
>         be discussed with priority?
>
>         Maybe we should work with a questionnaire?
>
>         Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help ...
>
>         Waiting for more news,
>
>         Francine
>
>         *Van:*gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...]
>         *Verzonden:* 15 August 2012 14:01
>         *Aan:* wg-about-future@...
>         <mailto:wg-about-future@...>
>         *Onderwerp:* [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona
>
>         Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro
>         trabajo. Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar.
>
>         Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can
>         continue working.  Waiting for your comments and propsals to
>         began to work.
>
>         the traslation to english have been done in google; although I
>         have correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some
>         of you that know both can check?
>
>         besos
>         Gina
>
>         2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...
>         <mailto:ginvargas@...>>
>
>         Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
>         esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
>
>         Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this
>         list.
>         This is a prove to see if it functions.
>
>         Gina
>
>
>
>         --
>         Archive: http://openfsm.net/[...]/1345032103842
>         <http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345032103842>
>         To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to
>         wg-about-future@...
>         <mailto:wg-about-future@...>. Please contact
>         wg-about-future-manager@...
>         <mailto:wg-about-future-manager@...> for questions.
>
>
>         --
>         Archive: http://openfsm.net/[...]/1345385242518
>         <http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345385242518>
>
>
>         To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to
>         wg-about-future@...
>         <mailto:wg-about-future@...>. Please contact
>         wg-about-future-manager@...
>         <mailto:wg-about-future-manager@...> for questions.
>
>
>
>
>     --
>     Archive: http://openfsm.net/[...]/1345495359711
>     <http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345495359711>
>
>
>     To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to
>     wg-about-future@...
>     <mailto:wg-about-future@...>. Please contact
>     wg-about-future-manager@...
>     <mailto:wg-about-future-manager@...> for questions.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[...]/1345560692277 
> <http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/archive/2012/08/1345560692277>
> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to 
> wg-about-future@... 
> <mailto:wg-about-future@...>. Please contact 
> wg-about-future-manager@... 
> <mailto:wg-about-future-manager@...> for questions.

Attachments

text.html (text/html) 23.6 kB