• WG about future

  • confirmando que funciona

    from gina on Aug 12, 2012 03:43 PM
    Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
    esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
    
    Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list.
    This is a prove to see if it functions.
    
    Gina
    
    
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  • Re: confirmando que funciona

    from rita freire on Aug 13, 2012 04:11 AM
    [?]
    
    On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:42 PM, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote:
    > Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
    > esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
    >
    > Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list.
    > This is a prove to see if it functions.
    >
    > Gina
    >
    >
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    • Re: confirmando que funciona

      from Chico - Intercom on Aug 13, 2012 01:40 PM
      ok, Chico W.
      
      
      rita freire escreveu:
      >
      >
      > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:42 PM, gina vargas <ginvargas@... 
      > <mailto:ginvargas@...>> wrote:
      > > Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
      > > esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
      > >
      > > Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list.
      > > This is a prove to see if it functions.
      > >
      > > Gina
      > >
      > >
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      • Re: confirmando que funciona

        from vinodraina on Aug 13, 2012 03:38 PM
        okay.
        Vinod
        
        On 13 August 2012 19:09, Chico - Intercom <intercom@...> wrote:
        
        > **
        > ok, Chico W.
        >
        >
        > rita freire escreveu:
        >
        > [?]
        >
        > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:42 PM, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote:
        > > Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
        > > esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
        > >
        > > Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list.
        > > This is a prove to see if it functions.
        > >
        > > Gina
        > >
        > >
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        • Re: confirmando que funciona

          from PPEHRC on Aug 13, 2012 04:08 PM
          ok
          Besos, kisses to all
          Jen
           
          
          ________________________________
           From: Vinod Raina <vinodraina@...>
          To: wg-about-future@... 
          Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 11:38 AM
          Subject: Re: [WG about future] confirmando que funciona
            
          
          okay.
          Vinod
          
          
          On 13 August 2012 19:09, Chico - Intercom <intercom@...> wrote:
          
           
          >ok, Chico W.
          >
          >
          >rita freire escreveu: 
          >
          >>
          >>On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:42 PM, gina vargas <ginvargas@...>
          wrote:
          >>> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
          >>> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
          >>>
          >>> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list.
          >>> This is a prove to see if it functions.
          >>>
          >>> Gina
          >>>
          >>>
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          • Re: confirmando que funciona

            from Micha Fiedlschuster on Aug 14, 2012 03:34 PM
            OK,
            works for me. thanks!
            Micha
            On 12-08-13 06:08 PM, Jennifer Cox wrote:
            > ok
            > Besos, kisses to all
            > Jen
            >
            > *From:* Vinod Raina <vinodraina@...>
            > *To:* wg-about-future@...
            > *Sent:* Monday, August 13, 2012 11:38 AM
            > *Subject:* Re: [WG about future] confirmando que funciona
            >
            > okay.
            > Vinod
            >
            > On 13 August 2012 19:09, Chico - Intercom <intercom@... 
            > <mailto:intercom@...>> wrote:
            >
            >     ok, Chico W.
            >
            >
            >     rita freire escreveu:
            >>
            >>
            >>     On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:42 PM, gina vargas
            >>     <ginvargas@... <mailto:ginvargas@...>> wrote:
            >>     > Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
            >>     > esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
            >>     >
            >>     > Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list.
            >>     > This is a prove to see if it functions.
            >>     >
            >>     > Gina
            >>     >
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          • Re: confirmando que funciona

            from giuseppe on Aug 13, 2012 04:21 PM
            test
            
            On 13 August 2012 19:08, Jennifer Cox <jenkwru@...> wrote:
            
            > ok
            > Besos, kisses to all
            > Jen
            >
            >    *From:* Vinod Raina <vinodraina@...>
            > *To:* wg-about-future@...
            > *Sent:* Monday, August 13, 2012 11:38 AM
            > *Subject:* Re: [WG about future] confirmando que funciona
            >
            > okay.
            > Vinod
            >
            > On 13 August 2012 19:09, Chico - Intercom <intercom@...>wrote:
            >
            > **
            > ok, Chico W.
            >
            >
            > rita freire escreveu:
            >
            >
            >
            > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:42 PM, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote:
            > > Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
            > > esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
            > >
            > > Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list.
            > > This is a prove to see if it functions.
            > >
            > > Gina
            > >
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  • Re: confirmando que funciona

    from gina on Aug 15, 2012 12:01 PM
    Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo.
    Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar.
    
    Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue
    working.  Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work.
    
    the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have correct
    it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that know both can
    check?
    
    besos
    Gina
    
    2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...>
    
    > Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
    > esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
    >
    > Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list.
    > This is a prove to see if it functions.
    >
    > Gina
    >
    
    
    
    • Re: Re: confirmando que funciona

      from Chico - Intercom on Aug 15, 2012 02:37 PM
      Muy buena tu propuesta, Gina. Sigamos.
      Pregunto: no seria bueno que toda esta discusion pueda ser seguida por 
      todo el CI?  Esta lista por la cual has mandado este mail es la del 
      openfsm de Pierre? Ella incluye todo el CI? Como un bueno subversivo, 
      por la duda ya la agrego entre los destinatarios la lista del CI 
      (abertura y transparencia)... Abrazos, Chico W.
      PS. Gina, te escribo desde la casa de mi hija Silvia, que te manda saludos.
      
      Very good your proposal, Gina. Let's move on.
      May I ask: would be not good that this discussion can be followed by the 
      entire IC? Does this list through which you have sent this email is the 
      one from Pierre openfsm? Does it includes all the IC? As a good 
      subversive, in the doubt I have added already in this mail the IC list. 
      Openess and trasparency...
      All the best, Chico W.
      
      
      
      gina vargas escreveu:
      > Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo. 
      > Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar.
      >
      > Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue 
      > working.  Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work.
      >
      > the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have 
      > correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that 
      > know both can check?
      >
      > besos
      > Gina
      >
      > 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@... <mailto:ginvargas@...>>
      >
      >     Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
      >     esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
      >
      >     Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list.
      >     This is a prove to see if it functions.
      >
      >     Gina
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > --
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      • Re: [Wsfic_fsmci] Re: confirmando que funciona

        from Liege on Aug 15, 2012 05:04 PM
        Gina
        De qual proposta se está falando? É aquele primeiro e-mail que vocês nos
        enviou coma proposta de grupos?
        Não sei se o meu nome está na lista.
        Um abraço
        Liège Rocha
        
        2012/8/15 Chico - Intercom <intercom@...>
        
        > **
        > Muy buena tu propuesta, Gina. Sigamos.
        > Pregunto: no seria bueno que toda esta discusion pueda ser seguida por
        > todo el CI?  Esta lista por la cual has mandado este mail es la del openfsm
        > de Pierre? Ella incluye todo el CI? Como un bueno subversivo, por la dudaya la agrego entre los destinatarios la lista del CI (abertura y
        > transparencia)... Abrazos, Chico W.
        > PS. Gina, te escribo desde la casa de mi hija Silvia, que te manda saludos.
        >
        > Very good your proposal, Gina. Let's move on.
        > May I ask: would be not good that this discussion can be followed by the entire
        > IC? Does this list through which you have sent this email is the one from
        > Pierre openfsm? Does it includes all the IC? As a good subversive, in the
        > doubt I have added already in this mail the IC list. Openess and
        > trasparency...
        > All the best, Chico W.
        >
        >
        >
        > gina vargas escreveu:
        >
        > Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo.
        > Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar.
        >
        > Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue
        > working.  Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work.
        >
        > the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have
        > correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that know
        > both can check?
        >
        > besos
        > Gina
        >
        > 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...>
        >
        >> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
        >> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
        >>
        >> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list.
        >> This is a prove to see if it functions.
        >>
        >> Gina
        >>
        >
        >
        >
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        • Re: [Wsfic_fsmci] Re: confirmando que funciona

          from gina on Aug 15, 2012 07:05 PM
          2012/8/15 Maria Liège Rocha <liegerocha@...>
          
          > Gina
          > De qual proposta se está falando? É aquele primeiro e-mail que vocês nos
          > enviou coma proposta de grupos?
          > Não sei se o meu nome está na lista.
          > Um abraço
          > Liège Rocha
          >
          > 2012/8/15 Chico - Intercom <intercom@...>
          >
          >> **
          >> Muy buena tu propuesta, Gina. Sigamos.
          >> Pregunto: no seria bueno que toda esta discusion pueda ser seguida por
          >> todo el CI?  Esta lista por la cual has mandado este mail es la del openfsm
          >> de Pierre? Ella incluye todo el CI? Como un bueno subversivo, por la dudaya la agrego entre los destinatarios la lista del CI (abertura y
          >> transparencia)... Abrazos, Chico W.
          >> PS. Gina, te escribo desde la casa de mi hija Silvia, que te manda
          >> saludos.
          >>
          >> Very good your proposal, Gina. Let's move on.
          >> May I ask: would be not good that this discussion can be followed by the entire
          >> IC? Does this list through which you have sent this email is the one from
          >> Pierre openfsm? Does it includes all the IC? As a good subversive, in the
          >> doubt I have added already in this mail the IC list. Openess and
          >> trasparency...
          >> All the best, Chico W.
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >> gina vargas escreveu:
          >>
          >> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo.
          >> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar.
          >>
          >> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue
          >> working.  Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work.
          >>
          >> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have
          >> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that know
          >> both can check?
          >>
          >> besos
          >> Gina
          >>
          >> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...>
          >>
          >>> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
          >>> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
          >>>
          >>> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list.
          >>> This is a prove to see if it functions.
          >>>
          >>> Gina
          >>>
          >>
          >>
          >>
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      • Re: [Wsfic_fsmci] Re: confirmando que funciona

        from Liege on Aug 16, 2012 06:23 PM
        Prezados
        Penso que, inicialmente, a discussão deve se dar no âmbito do GT, depois de
        consolidada uma posição no GT, aí sim, devemos circular por todo o CI.
        Qual então o significado de criarmos um GT no CI para elaborar uma proposta?
        Um abraço
        Liège rocha
        
        2012/8/15 Chico - Intercom <intercom@...>
        
        > **
        > Muy buena tu propuesta, Gina. Sigamos.
        > Pregunto: no seria bueno que toda esta discusion pueda ser seguida por
        > todo el CI?  Esta lista por la cual has mandado este mail es la del openfsm
        > de Pierre? Ella incluye todo el CI? Como un bueno subversivo, por la dudaya la agrego entre los destinatarios la lista del CI (abertura y
        > transparencia)... Abrazos, Chico W.
        > PS. Gina, te escribo desde la casa de mi hija Silvia, que te manda saludos.
        >
        > Very good your proposal, Gina. Let's move on.
        > May I ask: would be not good that this discussion can be followed by the entire
        > IC? Does this list through which you have sent this email is the one from
        > Pierre openfsm? Does it includes all the IC? As a good subversive, in the
        > doubt I have added already in this mail the IC list. Openess and
        > trasparency...
        > All the best, Chico W.
        >
        >
        >
        > gina vargas escreveu:
        >
        > Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo.
        > Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar.
        >
        > Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue
        > working.  Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work.
        >
        > the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have
        > correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that know
        > both can check?
        >
        > besos
        > Gina
        >
        > 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...>
        >
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        >> This is a prove to see if it functions.
        >>
        >> Gina
        >>
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    • RE: Re: confirmando que funciona

      from mestrum on Aug 19, 2012 02:07 PM
      (Inglès: ver abajo)
      
       
      
      Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo!
      
      Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones que
      suscita.
      
       
      
      Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas:
      
       
      
      -          El protocol
      
      -          El plan de trabajo
      
      Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir. El
      protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro grupo?
      
      Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las responsabilidades?
      
       
      
      No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos, seria una
      fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar.
      
       
      
      En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen razon.
      Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las
      infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros del CI
      tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un
      ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo … 
      
       
      
      Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que
      mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos?
      
      Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario?
      
       
      
      No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar …
      
       
      
      Esperando las noticias.
      
       
      
      Francine
      
       
      
       
      
      Thank you very much Gina for all the work done.
      
      Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack of
      reactions …
      
      I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals:
      
      -          Protocol
      
      -          A working plan
      
      I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the ‘rules
      of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect?
      
      Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with
      responsibilities?
      
       
      
      I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different sub-groups,
      this would me even more fragmentation, something we have to avoid, I think.
      
      Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are right.
      On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all messages go to
      the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also is a need for all
      members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule be a kind of
      ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing …
      
       
      
      Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to send
      a list of points they think will have to be discussed with priority?
      
      Maybe we should work with a questionnaire?
      
       
      
      Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help …
      
       
      
      Waiting for more news,
      
       
      
      Francine
      
      Van: gina vargas [ <mailto:ginvargas@...> mailto:ginvargas@...] 
      Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01
      Aan:  <mailto:wg-about-future@...>
      wg-about-future@...
      Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona
      
       
      
      Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo. Espero
      sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar.
      
      Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue
      working.  Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work.
      
      the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have correct
      it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that know both can
      check?
      
      besos
      Gina
      
      2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...>
      
      Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
      esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
      
      Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list.
      This is a prove to see if it functions.
      
      Gina
      
       
      
      
      
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      • Re: Re: confirmando que funciona

        from gina on Aug 19, 2012 02:29 PM
        2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...>
        
        > (Inglès: ver abajo)****
        >
        > ** **
        >
        > Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo!****
        >
        > Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones que
        > suscita.****
        >
        > ** **
        >
        > Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas:****
        >
        > ** **
        >
        > **-          **El protocol****
        >
        > **-          **El plan de trabajo****
        >
        > Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir. El
        > protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro grupo?*
        > ***
        >
        > Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las responsabilidades?***
        > *
        >
        > ** **
        >
        > No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos, seria
        > una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar.****
        >
        > ** **
        >
        > En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen razon.
        > Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las
        > infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros del CI
        > tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un
        > ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo … ***
        > *
        >
        > ** **
        >
        > Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que
        > mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos?****
        >
        > Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario?****
        >
        > ** **
        >
        > No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar …****
        >
        > ** **
        >
        > Esperando las noticias.****
        >
        > ** **
        >
        > Francine****
        >
        > ** **
        >
        > ** **
        >
        > Thank you very much Gina for all the work done.****
        >
        > Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack of
        > reactions …****
        >
        > I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals:****
        >
        > **-          **Protocol****
        >
        > **-          **A working plan****
        >
        > I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the ‘rules
        > of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect?****
        >
        > Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with
        > responsibilities?****
        >
        > ** **
        >
        > I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different
        > sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have to
        > avoid, I think.****
        >
        > Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are
        > right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all
        > messages go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also
        > is a need for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule
        > be a kind of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing
        > …****
        >
        > ** **
        >
        > Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to
        > send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with priority?*
        > ***
        >
        > Maybe we should work with a questionnaire?****
        >
        > ** **
        >
        > Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help …****
        >
        > ** **
        >
        > Waiting for more news,****
        >
        > ** **
        >
        > Francine****
        >
        > *Van:* gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@... <ginvargas@...>]
        > *Verzonden:* 15 August 2012 14:01
        > *Aan:* wg-about-future@...
        > *Onderwerp:* [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona****
        >
        > ** **
        >
        > Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo.
        > Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar.
        >
        > Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue
        > working.  Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work.
        >
        > the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have
        > correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that know
        > both can check?
        >
        > besos
        > Gina****
        >
        > 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...>****
        >
        > Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
        > esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
        >
        > Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list.
        > This is a prove to see if it functions.
        >
        > Gina****
        >
        > ** **
        >
        >
        >
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      • Re: Re: confirmando que funciona

        from gina on Aug 20, 2012 08:42 PM
         dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please respond as
        soon as posible
        
        amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por favor
        respondan pronto
        
        
        Gina
        
        
        2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...>
        
        > (Inglès: ver abajo)****
        >
        > ** **
        >
        > Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo!****
        >
        > Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones que
        > suscita.****
        >
        > ** **
        >
        > Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas:****
        >
        > ** **
        >
        > **-          **El protocol****
        >
        > **-          **El plan de trabajo****
        >
        > Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir. El
        > protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro grupo?*
        > ***
        >
        > Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las responsabilidades?***
        > *
        >
        > ** **
        >
        > No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos, seria
        > una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar.****
        >
        > ** **
        >
        > En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen razon.
        > Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las
        > infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros del CI
        > tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un
        > ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo … ***
        > *
        >
        > ** **
        >
        > Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que
        > mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos?****
        >
        > Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario?****
        >
        > ** **
        >
        > No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar …****
        >
        > ** **
        >
        > Esperando las noticias.****
        >
        > ** **
        >
        > Francine****
        >
        > ** **
        >
        > ** **
        >
        > Thank you very much Gina for all the work done.****
        >
        > Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack of
        > reactions …****
        >
        > I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals:****
        >
        > **-          **Protocol****
        >
        > **-          **A working plan****
        >
        > I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the ‘rules
        > of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect?****
        >
        > Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with
        > responsibilities?****
        >
        > ** **
        >
        > I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different
        > sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have to
        > avoid, I think.****
        >
        > Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are
        > right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all
        > messages go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also
        > is a need for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule
        > be a kind of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing
        > …****
        >
        > ** **
        >
        > Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to
        > send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with priority?*
        > ***
        >
        > Maybe we should work with a questionnaire?****
        >
        > ** **
        >
        > Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help …****
        >
        > ** **
        >
        > Waiting for more news,****
        >
        > ** **
        >
        > Francine****
        >
        > *Van:* gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@... <ginvargas@...>]
        > *Verzonden:* 15 August 2012 14:01
        > *Aan:* wg-about-future@...
        > *Onderwerp:* [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona****
        >
        > ** **
        >
        > Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo.
        > Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar.
        >
        > Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue
        > working.  Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work.
        >
        > the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have
        > correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that know
        > both can check?
        >
        > besos
        > Gina****
        >
        > 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...>****
        >
        > Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
        > esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
        >
        > Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list.
        > This is a prove to see if it functions.
        >
        > Gina****
        >
        > ** **
        >
        >
        >
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        • Re: Re: confirmando que funciona

          from rita freire on Aug 20, 2012 09:25 PM
          Thank you Gina, for this facilitation. I am reading everything,
          between some meetings these days. I will send some sugestions/opinion
          as soon I can.
          
          Gracias Gina, por la faciliación. Tengo leído todo, mientras tomo
          parte de unos encuentros por esta semana. Voy a envyar mis
          sugestiones/ opiniones muy pronto. On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:41 PM,
          gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote:
          >  dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please respond as soon
          > as posible
          >
          > amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por favor
          > respondan pronto
          >
          >
          > Gina
          >
          >
          > 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...>
          >>
          >> (Inglès: ver abajo)
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo!
          >>
          >> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones que
          >> suscita.
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas:
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >> -          El protocol
          >>
          >> -          El plan de trabajo
          >>
          >> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir. El
          >> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro grupo?
          >>
          >> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las responsabilidades?
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos, seria
          >> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar.
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen razon.
          >> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las
          >> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros del CI
          >> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un
          >> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo …
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que
          >> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos?
          >>
          >> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario?
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar …
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >> Esperando las noticias.
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >> Francine
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done.
          >>
          >> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack of
          >> reactions …
          >>
          >> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals:
          >>
          >> -          Protocol
          >>
          >> -          A working plan
          >>
          >> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the ‘rules
          >> of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect?
          >>
          >> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with
          >> responsibilities?
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different
          >> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have to
          >> avoid, I think.
          >>
          >> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are
          >> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all messages
          >> go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also is a need
          >> for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule be a kind
          >> of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing …
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to
          >> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with priority?
          >>
          >> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire?
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help …
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >> Waiting for more news,
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >> Francine
          >>
          >> Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...]
          >> Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01
          >> Aan: wg-about-future@...
          >> Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo.
          >> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar.
          >>
          >> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue
          >> working.  Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work.
          >>
          >> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have
          >> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that know
          >> both can check?
          >>
          >> besos
          >> Gina
          >>
          >> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...>
          >>
          >> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
          >> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
          >>
          >> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list.
          >> This is a prove to see if it functions.
          >>
          >> Gina
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >> --
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          >> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to
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          • Re: Re: confirmando que funciona

            from giuseppe on Aug 21, 2012 09:05 AM
            Only in English
            
            Perdon a todas pero no puedo traducir al castellano esta vez, estoy agotado
            con el trabajo
            
            
            gina thank you so much for this, it is a great way to put what has happened
            so far into a workable agenda. i find the three moments a good way to start
            working. so let us indeed. i write below few questions and my understanding
            of what needs to be done in practice to respond to your input:
            
            my questions are:
            
            1. it is not clear yet to me who is in this group and the languages spoken:
            how many are we? how much work can anyone put into this?
            
            2. subgroups are perhaps the only way in which we can carry out the tasks
            that you highlight gina: single language groups can work fast and
            effectively and later share material that will be translated
            
            3. on the detailed points you sent us:
            
                        a. it is possible to compile from your report of the working
            group in monastir, what are the issues people want this group to address.
            so we could list them and draft possible approaches to them (of course more
            can be added by members of this group at any time)
            
                         b. membership, very basic task: is helio happy to do this as
            you suggest? is there anyway any of us can help you Helio
            
                         c. rules! well i perhaps prefer to call them guidelines...
            Chico's document is dense of the memory of the IC and how protocols of
            participation and inclusion had been formalised (who sits where, who speaks
            when etc.). I add that our movements have an extraordinary tradition of
            democratic meeting and decision-making, their experiences could be gleaned
            to contribute to how we run our meetings etc. (my general impression is
            that we have discarded a couple of centuries of experience in that sense...
            and tried to reinvent the wheel at times...)
            
            4. collecting and discussing the core documents of the process and discuss
            them (and perhaps formulate one document that is a distilled of those and
            can work as premise or something to the document we are producing)
            
            *In Practice*
            it seems that these are the things that could be done to respond to your
            input Gina
            
            *a.* collecting membership information (to do what with it? perhaps engage
            each member at a time, call them ask them why they are or are not
            participating and what would they like to see changed in the IC? this could
            be fun indeed),
            *
            *
            *b*. draft guidelines for meetings, decision making, sub-groups etc. (to do
            this perhaps research decision-making among activist groups across the
            globe),
            *
            *
            *c*. compile the "culture of the ic" through its main documents (perhaps
            with in mind to draft a unique document to add to our final piece of work)
            
            *d*. list all the things people have listed so far in terms of limitations
            of the IC organisational architecture and dynamics
            
            *e*. imagine a possible architecture for the IC that according to us
            responds to all the above work
            
            I am prepared to put work in these tasks of course... and i may have more
            time than others (as i am unemployed - i guess you say in between projects
            nowadays - at the moment)
            
            abrazos
            giuseppe
            
            P.S. i am finishing to edit my book on the wsf (long overdue). the
            manuscript for the editor (INTO publishing) will be ready soon. There are
            several sections that are relevant to the work of this group... should you
            be interested in reading it i can send anyone who so wishes a copy. the
            book will be soon available in a free soft format (free as in free speech
            and as in free beer) on the publishers website, more on this later...
            
            
            
            
            
            On 21 August 2012 00:24, rita freire <ritafreir@...> wrote:
            
            > Thank you Gina, for this facilitation. I am reading everything,
            > between some meetings these days. I will send some sugestions/opinion
            > as soon I can.
            >
            > Gracias Gina, por la faciliación. Tengo leído todo, mientras tomo
            > parte de unos encuentros por esta semana. Voy a envyar mis
            > sugestiones/ opiniones muy pronto. On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:41 PM,
            > gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote:
            > >  dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please respond as
            > soon
            > > as posible
            > >
            > > amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por favor
            > > respondan pronto
            > >
            > >
            > > Gina
            > >
            > >
            > > 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...>
            > >>
            > >> (Inglès: ver abajo)
            > >>
            > >>
            > >>
            > >> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo!
            > >>
            > >> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones
            > que
            > >> suscita.
            > >>
            > >>
            > >>
            > >> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas:
            > >>
            > >>
            > >>
            > >> -          El protocol
            > >>
            > >> -          El plan de trabajo
            > >>
            > >> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir. El
            > >> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro
            > grupo?
            > >>
            > >> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las responsabilidades?
            > >>
            > >>
            > >>
            > >> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos, seria
            > >> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar.
            > >>
            > >>
            > >>
            > >> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen
            > razon.
            > >> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las
            > >> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros
            > del CI
            > >> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un
            > >> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo …
            > >>
            > >>
            > >>
            > >> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que
            > >> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos?
            > >>
            > >> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario?
            > >>
            > >>
            > >>
            > >> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar …
            > >>
            > >>
            > >>
            > >> Esperando las noticias.
            > >>
            > >>
            > >>
            > >> Francine
            > >>
            > >>
            > >>
            > >>
            > >>
            > >> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done.
            > >>
            > >> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack of
            > >> reactions …
            > >>
            > >> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals:
            > >>
            > >> -          Protocol
            > >>
            > >> -          A working plan
            > >>
            > >> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the
            > ‘rules
            > >> of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect?
            > >>
            > >> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with
            > >> responsibilities?
            > >>
            > >>
            > >>
            > >> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different
            > >> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have to
            > >> avoid, I think.
            > >>
            > >> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are
            > >> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all
            > messages
            > >> go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also is a
            > need
            > >> for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule be a
            > kind
            > >> of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing …
            > >>
            > >>
            > >>
            > >> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to
            > >> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with
            > priority?
            > >>
            > >> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire?
            > >>
            > >>
            > >>
            > >> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help …
            > >>
            > >>
            > >>
            > >> Waiting for more news,
            > >>
            > >>
            > >>
            > >> Francine
            > >>
            > >> Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...]
            > >> Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01
            > >> Aan: wg-about-future@...
            > >> Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona
            > >>
            > >>
            > >>
            > >> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo.
            > >> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar.
            > >>
            > >> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue
            > >> working.  Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work.
            > >>
            > >> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have
            > >> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that
            > know
            > >> both can check?
            > >>
            > >> besos
            > >> Gina
            > >>
            > >> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...>
            > >>
            > >> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
            > >> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
            > >>
            > >> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list.
            > >> This is a prove to see if it functions.
            > >>
            > >> Gina
            > >>
            > >>
            > >>
            > >>
            > >>
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            • Re: Re: confirmando que funciona

              from pierre on Aug 21, 2012 12:53 PM
              Hello everyone
              
              EN - As an answer to Giuseppe basic question "who is on the group ?"
              check this link- if other people want to come  either gina  helio or me can
              include them with their email adress
              http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/membership
              
              As Gina said in her facilitating text, am working on /around a  review
              protocol inside IC
              Hope to release something in the coming days
              
              ES respondiendo a Giuseppe  sobre "quien esta en el grupo "
              http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/membership
              si hay mas personas que quieren participar gina helio y yo podemos
              incluirlas con su correo electronico
              
              Como dice Gina en su texto de facilitacion, estoy "dandole vueltas" a un
              protocolo de revista en el CI - espero mandar algo  en los proximos dias
              
              :-)
              Pierre
              
              
              2012/8/21 Giuseppe Caruso <giu.caruso@...>
              
              > Only in English
              >
              > Perdon a todas pero no puedo traducir al castellano esta vez, estoy
              > agotado con el trabajo
              >
              >
              > gina thank you so much for this, it is a great way to put what has
              > happened so far into a workable agenda. i find the three moments a good way
              > to start working. so let us indeed. i write below few questions and my
              > understanding of what needs to be done in practice to respond to your
              > input:
              >
              > my questions are:
              >
              > 1. it is not clear yet to me who is in this group and the languages
              > spoken: how many are we? how much work can anyone put into this?
              >
              > 2. subgroups are perhaps the only way in which we can carry out the tasks
              > that you highlight gina: single language groups can work fast and
              > effectively and later share material that will be translated
              >
              > 3. on the detailed points you sent us:
              >
              >             a. it is possible to compile from your report of the working
              > group in monastir, what are the issues people want this group to address.
              > so we could list them and draft possible approaches to them (of course more
              > can be added by members of this group at any time)
              >
              >              b. membership, very basic task: is helio happy to do this as
              > you suggest? is there anyway any of us can help you Helio
              >
              >              c. rules! well i perhaps prefer to call them guidelines...
              > Chico's document is dense of the memory of the IC and how protocols of
              > participation and inclusion had been formalised (who sits where, who speaks
              > when etc.). I add that our movements have an extraordinary tradition of
              > democratic meeting and decision-making, their experiences could be gleaned
              > to contribute to how we run our meetings etc. (my general impression is
              > that we have discarded a couple of centuries of experience in that sense...
              > and tried to reinvent the wheel at times...)
              >
              > 4. collecting and discussing the core documents of the process and discuss
              > them (and perhaps formulate one document that is a distilled of those and
              > can work as premise or something to the document we are producing)
              >
              > *In Practice*
              > it seems that these are the things that could be done to respond to your
              > input Gina
              >
              > *a.* collecting membership information (to do what with it? perhaps
              > engage each member at a time, call them ask them why they are or are not
              > participating and what would they like to see changed in the IC? this could
              > be fun indeed),
              > *
              > *
              > *b*. draft guidelines for meetings, decision making, sub-groups etc. (to
              > do this perhaps research decision-making among activist groups across the
              > globe),
              > *
              > *
              > *c*. compile the "culture of the ic" through its main documents (perhaps
              > with in mind to draft a unique document to add to our final piece of work)
              >
              > *d*. list all the things people have listed so far in terms of
              > limitations of the IC organisational architecture and dynamics
              >
              > *e*. imagine a possible architecture for the IC that according to us
              > responds to all the above work
              >
              > I am prepared to put work in these tasks of course... and i may have more
              > time than others (as i am unemployed - i guess you say in between projects
              > nowadays - at the moment)
              >
              > abrazos
              > giuseppe
              >
              > P.S. i am finishing to edit my book on the wsf (long overdue). the
              > manuscript for the editor (INTO publishing) will be ready soon. There are
              > several sections that are relevant to the work of this group... should you
              > be interested in reading it i can send anyone who so wishes a copy. the
              > book will be soon available in a free soft format (free as in free speech
              > and as in free beer) on the publishers website, more on this later...
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > On 21 August 2012 00:24, rita freire <ritafreir@...> wrote:
              >
              >> Thank you Gina, for this facilitation. I am reading everything,
              >> between some meetings these days. I will send some sugestions/opinion
              >> as soon I can.
              >>
              >> Gracias Gina, por la faciliación. Tengo leído todo, mientras tomo
              >> parte de unos encuentros por esta semana. Voy a envyar mis
              >> sugestiones/ opiniones muy pronto. On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:41 PM,
              >>  gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote:
              >> >  dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please respond as
              >> soon
              >> > as posible
              >> >
              >> > amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por favor
              >> > respondan pronto
              >> >
              >> >
              >> > Gina
              >> >
              >> >
              >> > 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...>
              >> >>
              >> >> (Inglès: ver abajo)
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo!
              >> >>
              >> >> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones
              >> que
              >> >> suscita.
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas:
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >> -          El protocol
              >> >>
              >> >> -          El plan de trabajo
              >> >>
              >> >> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir.
              >> El
              >> >> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro
              >> grupo?
              >> >>
              >> >> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las responsabilidades?
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos,
              >> seria
              >> >> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar.
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen
              >> razon.
              >> >> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las
              >> >> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros
              >> del CI
              >> >> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un
              >> >> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo …
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que
              >> >> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos?
              >> >>
              >> >> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario?
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar …
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >> Esperando las noticias.
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >> Francine
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done.
              >> >>
              >> >> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack
              >> of
              >> >> reactions …
              >> >>
              >> >> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals:
              >> >>
              >> >> -          Protocol
              >> >>
              >> >> -          A working plan
              >> >>
              >> >> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the
              >> ‘rules
              >> >> of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect?
              >> >>
              >> >> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with
              >> >> responsibilities?
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different
              >> >> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have to
              >> >> avoid, I think.
              >> >>
              >> >> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are
              >> >> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all
              >> messages
              >> >> go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also is a
              >> need
              >> >> for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule be a
              >> kind
              >> >> of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing …
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to
              >> >> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with
              >> priority?
              >> >>
              >> >> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire?
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help …
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >> Waiting for more news,
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >> Francine
              >> >>
              >> >> Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...]
              >> >> Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01
              >> >> Aan: wg-about-future@...
              >> >> Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo.
              >> >> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar.
              >> >>
              >> >> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue
              >> >> working.  Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work.
              >> >>
              >> >> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have
              >> >> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that
              >> know
              >> >> both can check?
              >> >>
              >> >> besos
              >> >> Gina
              >> >>
              >> >> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...>
              >> >>
              >> >> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
              >> >> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
              >> >>
              >> >> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list.
              >> >> This is a prove to see if it functions.
              >> >>
              >> >> Gina
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >>
              >> >> --
              >> >> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345032103842
              >> >> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to
              >> >> wg-about-future@.... Please contact
              >> >> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions.
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              >> >>
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              > of Helsinki
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              • Re: Re: confirmando que funciona

                from giuseppe on Aug 21, 2012 06:35 PM
                ENGLISH
                thank pierre for the clarification
                
                but, le me repeat my question a little clearer:
                
                the link is a list of email addresses, in some cases there are no other
                names or there is just the name of an organization
                
                also, some time back it's been asked to all in the list to reply to the
                test message to see if they received the emails, of the almost 40 emails in
                the list we only received a few responses. what does this mean? are people
                getting the messages? are people rightly in this list or confusion has
                happened when signing up? or...?
                
                so again, i think that it would be nice if we clarified to each other who
                is in this group, how much time do we have, what we would like to
                contribute in terms of the tasks that we discussed (or any tasks we might
                want to add to the current discussion etc).
                
                
                CASTELLANO
                pierre gracias por la clarificacion
                
                pero, yo repito mi cuestion aclarando un poco mas:
                
                la lista del link es una lista de correos, en algunos casos hay nombres en
                otros no, en alguno el nombre de una organizacion
                
                ademas, hace algun tiempo pedimos que tod@s contestaran para ver si
                recibian los correos, de las casi 40 direcciones de correo solo recibimos
                unas cuantas respuestas. que quiere decir esto?
                
                entonce otra vez, seria bueno si aclarariamos quien esta en este grupo,,
                cuanto tiempo tiene, y cual serian sus deseos en terminos de la tareas que
                vamos discutiendo (o de cualquiera tarea les parezca se necesite anadir a
                la discusion).
                
                g
                
                
                On 21 August 2012 15:53, Pierre George <pierregrg@...> wrote:
                
                > Hello everyone
                >
                > EN - As an answer to Giuseppe basic question "who is on the group ?"
                > check this link- if other people want to come  either gina  helio or me
                > can include them with their email adress
                > http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/membership
                >
                > As Gina said in her facilitating text, am working on /around a  review
                > protocol inside IC
                > Hope to release something in the coming days
                >
                > ES respondiendo a Giuseppe  sobre "quien esta en el grupo "
                > http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/membership
                > si hay mas personas que quieren participar gina helio y yo podemos
                > incluirlas con su correo electronico
                >
                > Como dice Gina en su texto de facilitacion, estoy "dandole vueltas" a un
                > protocolo de revista en el CI - espero mandar algo  en los proximos dias
                >
                > :-)
                > Pierre
                >
                >
                > 2012/8/21 Giuseppe Caruso <giu.caruso@...>
                >
                >> Only in English
                >>
                >> Perdon a todas pero no puedo traducir al castellano esta vez, estoy
                >> agotado con el trabajo
                >>
                >>
                >> gina thank you so much for this, it is a great way to put what has
                >> happened so far into a workable agenda. i find the three moments a good way
                >> to start working. so let us indeed. i write below few questions and my
                >> understanding of what needs to be done in practice to respond to your
                >> input:
                >>
                >> my questions are:
                >>
                >> 1. it is not clear yet to me who is in this group and the languages
                >> spoken: how many are we? how much work can anyone put into this?
                >>
                >> 2. subgroups are perhaps the only way in which we can carry out the tasks
                >> that you highlight gina: single language groups can work fast and
                >> effectively and later share material that will be translated
                >>
                >> 3. on the detailed points you sent us:
                >>
                >>             a. it is possible to compile from your report of the working
                >> group in monastir, what are the issues people want this group to address.
                >> so we could list them and draft possible approaches to them (of course more
                >> can be added by members of this group at any time)
                >>
                >>              b. membership, very basic task: is helio happy to do this as
                >> you suggest? is there anyway any of us can help you Helio
                >>
                >>              c. rules! well i perhaps prefer to call them guidelines...
                >> Chico's document is dense of the memory of the IC and how protocols of
                >> participation and inclusion had been formalised (who sits where, who speaks
                >> when etc.). I add that our movements have an extraordinary tradition of
                >> democratic meeting and decision-making, their experiences could be gleaned
                >> to contribute to how we run our meetings etc. (my general impression is
                >> that we have discarded a couple of centuries of experience in that sense...
                >> and tried to reinvent the wheel at times...)
                >>
                >> 4. collecting and discussing the core documents of the process and
                >> discuss them (and perhaps formulate one document that is a distilled of
                >> those and can work as premise or something to the document we are producing)
                >>
                >> *In Practice*
                >> it seems that these are the things that could be done to respond to your
                >> input Gina
                >>
                >> *a.* collecting membership information (to do what with it? perhaps
                >> engage each member at a time, call them ask them why they are or are not
                >> participating and what would they like to see changed in the IC? this could
                >> be fun indeed),
                >> *
                >> *
                >> *b*. draft guidelines for meetings, decision making, sub-groups etc. (to
                >> do this perhaps research decision-making among activist groups across the
                >> globe),
                >> *
                >> *
                >> *c*. compile the "culture of the ic" through its main documents (perhaps
                >> with in mind to draft a unique document to add to our final piece of work)
                >>
                >> *d*. list all the things people have listed so far in terms of
                >> limitations of the IC organisational architecture and dynamics
                >>
                >> *e*. imagine a possible architecture for the IC that according to us
                >> responds to all the above work
                >>
                >> I am prepared to put work in these tasks of course... and i may have more
                >> time than others (as i am unemployed - i guess you say in between projects
                >> nowadays - at the moment)
                >>
                >> abrazos
                >> giuseppe
                >>
                >> P.S. i am finishing to edit my book on the wsf (long overdue). the
                >> manuscript for the editor (INTO publishing) will be ready soon. There are
                >> several sections that are relevant to the work of this group... should you
                >> be interested in reading it i can send anyone who so wishes a copy. the
                >> book will be soon available in a free soft format (free as in free speech
                >> and as in free beer) on the publishers website, more on this later...
                >>
                >>
                >>
                >>
                >>
                >> On 21 August 2012 00:24, rita freire <ritafreir@...> wrote:
                >>
                >>> Thank you Gina, for this facilitation. I am reading everything,
                >>> between some meetings these days. I will send some sugestions/opinion
                >>> as soon I can.
                >>>
                >>> Gracias Gina, por la faciliación. Tengo leído todo, mientras tomo
                >>> parte de unos encuentros por esta semana. Voy a envyar mis
                >>> sugestiones/ opiniones muy pronto. On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:41 PM,
                >>>  gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote:
                >>> >  dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please respond
                >>> as soon
                >>> > as posible
                >>> >
                >>> > amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por
                >>> favor
                >>> > respondan pronto
                >>> >
                >>> >
                >>> > Gina
                >>> >
                >>> >
                >>> > 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...>
                >>> >>
                >>> >> (Inglès: ver abajo)
                >>> >>
                >>> >>
                >>> >>
                >>> >> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo!
                >>> >>
                >>> >> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones
                >>> que
                >>> >> suscita.
                >>> >>
                >>> >>
                >>> >>
                >>> >> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas:
                >>> >>
                >>> >>
                >>> >>
                >>> >> -          El protocol
                >>> >>
                >>> >> -          El plan de trabajo
                >>> >>
                >>> >> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir.
                >>> El
                >>> >> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro
                >>> grupo?
                >>> >>
                >>> >> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las
                >>> responsabilidades?
                >>> >>
                >>> >>
                >>> >>
                >>> >> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos,
                >>> seria
                >>> >> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar.
                >>> >>
                >>> >>
                >>> >>
                >>> >> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen
                >>> razon.
                >>> >> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las
                >>> >> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros
                >>> del CI
                >>> >> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un
                >>> >> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo …
                >>> >>
                >>> >>
                >>> >>
                >>> >> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que
                >>> >> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos?
                >>> >>
                >>> >> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario?
                >>> >>
                >>> >>
                >>> >>
                >>> >> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar …
                >>> >>
                >>> >>
                >>> >>
                >>> >> Esperando las noticias.
                >>> >>
                >>> >>
                >>> >>
                >>> >> Francine
                >>> >>
                >>> >>
                >>> >>
                >>> >>
                >>> >>
                >>> >> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done.
                >>> >>
                >>> >> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack
                >>> of
                >>> >> reactions …
                >>> >>
                >>> >> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals:
                >>> >>
                >>> >> -          Protocol
                >>> >>
                >>> >> -          A working plan
                >>> >>
                >>> >> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the
                >>> ‘rules
                >>> >> of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect?
                >>> >>
                >>> >> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with
                >>> >> responsibilities?
                >>> >>
                >>> >>
                >>> >>
                >>> >> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different
                >>> >> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have
                >>> to
                >>> >> avoid, I think.
                >>> >>
                >>> >> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are
                >>> >> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all
                >>> messages
                >>> >> go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also is a
                >>> need
                >>> >> for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule be
                >>> a kind
                >>> >> of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing …
                >>> >>
                >>> >>
                >>> >>
                >>> >> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to
                >>> >> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with
                >>> priority?
                >>> >>
                >>> >> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire?
                >>> >>
                >>> >>
                >>> >>
                >>> >> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help …
                >>> >>
                >>> >>
                >>> >>
                >>> >> Waiting for more news,
                >>> >>
                >>> >>
                >>> >>
                >>> >> Francine
                >>> >>
                >>> >> Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...]
                >>> >> Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01
                >>> >> Aan: wg-about-future@...
                >>> >> Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona
                >>> >>
                >>> >>
                >>> >>
                >>> >> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo.
                >>> >> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar.
                >>> >>
                >>> >> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue
                >>> >> working.  Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work.
                >>> >>
                >>> >> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have
                >>> >> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that
                >>> know
                >>> >> both can check?
                >>> >>
                >>> >> besos
                >>> >> Gina
                >>> >>
                >>> >> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...>
                >>> >>
                >>> >> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
                >>> >> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
                >>> >>
                >>> >> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list.
                >>> >> This is a prove to see if it functions.
                >>> >>
                >>> >> Gina
                >>> >>
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                • RE: Re: confirmando que funciona

                  from mestrum on Aug 22, 2012 05:38 AM
                  Meybe it can be useful to send the list with current names to the whole IC
                  list, asking
                  
                  -          Thos who are on the list, once again to confirm
                  
                  -          A last time who possibly wants to be added, mentioning also that
                  it is in order to really participate in the discussions
                  
                  Francine
                  
                   
                  
                  Van: Giuseppe Caruso [mailto:giu.caruso@...] 
                  Verzonden: 21 August 2012 20:36
                  Aan: wg-about-future@...
                  Onderwerp: Re: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona
                  
                   
                  
                  ENGLISH
                  
                  thank pierre for the clarification
                  
                   
                  
                  but, le me repeat my question a little clearer:
                  
                   
                  
                  the link is a list of email addresses, in some cases there are no other
                  names or there is just the name of an organization
                  
                   
                  
                  also, some time back it's been asked to all in the list to reply to the test
                  message to see if they received the emails, of the almost 40 emails in the
                  list we only received a few responses. what does this mean? are people
                  getting the messages? are people rightly in this list or confusion has
                  happened when signing up? or...?
                  
                   
                  
                  so again, i think that it would be nice if we clarified to each other who is
                  in this group, how much time do we have, what we would like to contribute in
                  terms of the tasks that we discussed (or any tasks we might want to add to
                  the current discussion etc).
                  
                   
                  
                   
                  
                  CASTELLANO
                  
                  pierre gracias por la clarificacion
                  
                   
                  
                  pero, yo repito mi cuestion aclarando un poco mas: 
                  
                   
                  
                  la lista del link es una lista de correos, en algunos casos hay nombres en
                  otros no, en alguno el nombre de una organizacion
                  
                   
                  
                  ademas, hace algun tiempo pedimos que tod@s contestaran para ver si recibian
                  los correos, de las casi 40 direcciones de correo solo recibimos unas
                  cuantas respuestas. que quiere decir esto? 
                  
                   
                  
                  entonce otra vez, seria bueno si aclarariamos quien esta en este grupo,,
                  cuanto tiempo tiene, y cual serian sus deseos en terminos de la tareas que
                  vamos discutiendo (o de cualquiera tarea les parezca se necesite anadir a la
                  discusion). 
                  
                   
                  
                  g
                  
                   
                  
                   
                  
                  On 21 August 2012 15:53, Pierre George <pierregrg@...> wrote:
                  
                  Hello everyone 
                  
                   
                  
                  EN - As an answer to Giuseppe basic question "who is on the group ?"
                  
                  check this link- if other people want to come  either gina  helio or me can
                  include them with their email adress
                  
                  http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/membership
                  
                  
                  As Gina said in her facilitating text, am working on /around a  review
                  protocol inside IC
                  
                  Hope to release something in the coming days 
                  
                   
                  
                  ES respondiendo a Giuseppe  sobre "quien esta en el grupo "
                  
                  http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/lists/wg-about-future/membership
                  
                  si hay mas personas que quieren participar gina helio y yo podemos
                  incluirlas con su correo electronico
                  
                   
                  
                  Como dice Gina en su texto de facilitacion, estoy "dandole vueltas" a un
                  protocolo de revista en el CI - espero mandar algo  en los proximos dias 
                  
                   
                  
                  :-)
                  
                  Pierre
                  
                   
                  
                   
                  
                  2012/8/21 Giuseppe Caruso <giu.caruso@...>
                  
                  Only in English
                  
                   
                  
                  Perdon a todas pero no puedo traducir al castellano esta vez, estoy agotado
                  con el trabajo
                  
                   
                  
                   
                  
                  gina thank you so much for this, it is a great way to put what has happened
                  so far into a workable agenda. i find the three moments a good way to start
                  working. so let us indeed. i write below few questions and my understanding
                  of what needs to be done in practice to respond to your input: 
                  
                   
                  
                  my questions are: 
                  
                   
                  
                  1. it is not clear yet to me who is in this group and the languages spoken:
                  how many are we? how much work can anyone put into this? 
                  
                   
                  
                  2. subgroups are perhaps the only way in which we can carry out the tasks
                  that you highlight gina: single language groups can work fast and
                  effectively and later share material that will be translated
                  
                   
                  
                  3. on the detailed points you sent us:
                  
                            
                  
                              a. it is possible to compile from your report of the working
                  group in monastir, what are the issues people want this group to address. so
                  we could list them and draft possible approaches to them (of course more can
                  be added by members of this group at any time)
                  
                              
                  
                               b. membership, very basic task: is helio happy to do this as
                  you suggest? is there anyway any of us can help you Helio
                  
                   
                  
                               c. rules! well i perhaps prefer to call them guidelines...
                  Chico's document is dense of the memory of the IC and how protocols of
                  participation and inclusion had been formalised (who sits where, who speaks
                  when etc.). I add that our movements have an extraordinary tradition of
                  democratic meeting and decision-making, their experiences could be gleaned
                  to contribute to how we run our meetings etc. (my general impression is that
                  we have discarded a couple of centuries of experience in that sense... and
                  tried to reinvent the wheel at times...)
                  
                   
                  
                  4. collecting and discussing the core documents of the process and discuss
                  them (and perhaps formulate one document that is a distilled of those and
                  can work as premise or something to the document we are producing)
                  
                   
                  
                  In Practice
                  
                  it seems that these are the things that could be done to respond to your
                  input Gina
                  
                   
                  
                  a. collecting membership information (to do what with it? perhaps engage
                  each member at a time, call them ask them why they are or are not
                  participating and what would they like to see changed in the IC? this could
                  be fun indeed), 
                  
                   
                  
                  b. draft guidelines for meetings, decision making, sub-groups etc. (to do
                  this perhaps research decision-making among activist groups across the
                  globe), 
                  
                   
                  
                  c. compile the "culture of the ic" through its main documents (perhaps with
                  in mind to draft a unique document to add to our final piece of work)
                  
                   
                  
                  d. list all the things people have listed so far in terms of limitations of
                  the IC organisational architecture and dynamics
                  
                   
                  
                  e. imagine a possible architecture for the IC that according to us responds
                  to all the above work
                  
                   
                  
                  I am prepared to put work in these tasks of course... and i may have more
                  time than others (as i am unemployed - i guess you say in between projects
                  nowadays - at the moment)
                  
                   
                  
                  abrazos
                  
                  giuseppe
                  
                   
                  
                  P.S. i am finishing to edit my book on the wsf (long overdue). the
                  manuscript for the editor (INTO publishing) will be ready soon. There are
                  several sections that are relevant to the work of this group... should you
                  be interested in reading it i can send anyone who so wishes a copy. the book
                  will be soon available in a free soft format (free as in free speech and as
                  in free beer) on the publishers website, more on this later...
                  
                   
                  
                   
                  
                   
                  
                   
                  
                  On 21 August 2012 00:24, rita freire <ritafreir@...> wrote:
                  
                  Thank you Gina, for this facilitation. I am reading everything,
                  between some meetings these days. I will send some sugestions/opinion
                  as soon I can.
                  
                  Gracias Gina, por la faciliación. Tengo leído todo, mientras tomo
                  parte de unos encuentros por esta semana. Voy a envyar mis
                  sugestiones/ opiniones muy pronto. On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:41 PM,
                  
                  gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote:
                  >  dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please respond as
                  soon
                  > as posible
                  >
                  > amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por favor
                  > respondan pronto
                  >
                  >
                  > Gina
                  >
                  >
                  > 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...>
                  >>
                  >> (Inglès: ver abajo)
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo!
                  >>
                  >> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones que
                  >> suscita.
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas:
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> -          El protocol
                  >>
                  >> -          El plan de trabajo
                  >>
                  >> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir. El
                  >> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro grupo?
                  >>
                  >> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las responsabilidades?
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos, seria
                  >> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar.
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen razon.
                  >> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las
                  >> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros del
                  CI
                  >> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un
                  >> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo …
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que
                  >> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos?
                  >>
                  >> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario?
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar …
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> Esperando las noticias.
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> Francine
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done.
                  >>
                  >> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack of
                  >> reactions …
                  >>
                  >> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals:
                  >>
                  >> -          Protocol
                  >>
                  >> -          A working plan
                  >>
                  >> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the
                  ‘rules
                  >> of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect?
                  >>
                  >> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with
                  >> responsibilities?
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different
                  >> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have to
                  >> avoid, I think.
                  >>
                  >> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are
                  >> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all
                  messages
                  >> go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also is a
                  need
                  >> for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule be a
                  kind
                  >> of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing …
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to
                  >> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with priority?
                  >>
                  >> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire?
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help …
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> Waiting for more news,
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> Francine
                  >>
                  >> Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...]
                  >> Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01
                  >> Aan: wg-about-future@...
                  >> Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo.
                  >> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar.
                  >>
                  >> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue
                  >> working.  Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work.
                  >>
                  >> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have
                  >> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that
                  know
                  >> both can check?
                  >>
                  >> besos
                  >> Gina
                  >>
                  >> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...>
                  >>
                  >> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
                  >> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
                  >>
                  >> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list.
                  >> This is a prove to see if it functions.
                  >>
                  >> Gina
                  >>
                  >>
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        • Re: Re: confirmando que funciona

          from wilhelmina on Aug 21, 2012 02:51 PM
          Dear Gina
          my sincerest apologies for not being present these past days in these
          discussions, after my last task of sending you my notes.  Thank you for
          taking over & carrying the load.
          
          I am sure you, with the rest of the world, witnessed the recent killings of
          striking mine workers at the Lonmin Mine here in Marikane, it has shocked
          the world & here in South Africa we are trying to come to grips with the
          loss of lives and to make sense of this brutality.
          
          But for now I will follow the discussions & continue participating actively
          in the group shortly.
          
          In solidarity
          wilhelmina
          
          On 20 August 2012 22:41, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote:
          
          >  dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please respond as
          > soon as posible
          >
          > amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por favor
          > respondan pronto
          >
          >
          > Gina
          >
          >
          > 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...>
          >
          >> (Inglès: ver abajo)****
          >>
          >> ** **
          >>
          >> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo!****
          >>
          >> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones que
          >> suscita.****
          >>
          >> ** **
          >>
          >> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas:***
          >> *
          >>
          >> ** **
          >>
          >> **-          **El protocol****
          >>
          >> **-          **El plan de trabajo****
          >>
          >> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir. El
          >> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro grupo?
          >> ****
          >>
          >> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las responsabilidades?**
          >> **
          >>
          >> ** **
          >>
          >> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos, seria
          >> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar.****
          >>
          >> ** **
          >>
          >> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen razon.
          >> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las
          >> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros del CI
          >> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un
          >> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo … **
          >> **
          >>
          >> ** **
          >>
          >> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que
          >> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos?****
          >>
          >> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario?****
          >>
          >> ** **
          >>
          >> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar …****
          >>
          >> ** **
          >>
          >> Esperando las noticias.****
          >>
          >> ** **
          >>
          >> Francine****
          >>
          >> ** **
          >>
          >> ** **
          >>
          >> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done.****
          >>
          >> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack of
          >> reactions …****
          >>
          >> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals:****
          >>
          >> **-          **Protocol****
          >>
          >> **-          **A working plan****
          >>
          >> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the
          >> ‘rules of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect?****
          >>
          >> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with
          >> responsibilities?****
          >>
          >> ** **
          >>
          >> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different
          >> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have to
          >> avoid, I think.****
          >>
          >> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are
          >> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all
          >> messages go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also
          >> is a need for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule
          >> be a kind of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing
          >> …****
          >>
          >> ** **
          >>
          >> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to
          >> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with priority?
          >> ****
          >>
          >> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire?****
          >>
          >> ** **
          >>
          >> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help …****
          >>
          >> ** **
          >>
          >> Waiting for more news,****
          >>
          >> ** **
          >>
          >> Francine****
          >>
          >> *Van:* gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@... <ginvargas@...>]
          >> *Verzonden:* 15 August 2012 14:01
          >> *Aan:* wg-about-future@...
          >> *Onderwerp:* [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona****
          >>
          >> ** **
          >>
          >> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo.
          >> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar.
          >>
          >> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue
          >> working.  Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work.
          >>
          >> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have
          >> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that know
          >> both can check?
          >>
          >> besos
          >> Gina****
          >>
          >> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...>****
          >>
          >> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
          >> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
          >>
          >> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list.
          >> This is a prove to see if it functions.
          >>
          >> Gina****
          >>
          >> ** **
          >>
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          • Re: Re: confirmando que funciona

            from rita freire on Aug 21, 2012 04:03 PM
            Wilhelmina, our solidarity with the familie, friends of the mine
            workers and the people in Marikane. Let us to now how to join you/them
            to express our protest against this brutality.
            
            PORTUGUESE SOON
            
            ENGLISH:
            
            Gina and compas, I sugest some tasks we need to face those should to
            be added in the Working plan
            
            The first one is to define more clearly the diferentiation of the
            roles in the process WSF
            
            1)  IC body/meetings
            2) WSF process itself
            3) WSF editions
            
            We need to make it clear in order to don't give to the WSF IC meeting
            the same sense of one small WSF's edition. We should preserve the
            presential opportunity of the expensive IC meetings to be usefull for
            the process, (eg, taking the decisions and making the crucial debates
            that WSF process put on the table of the WSF IC),
            
            Some definition should be taken, in my opinion:
            
            1)  IC body (as facilitation body, with rules about who and why and
            for what are in the body),
            
            2) WSF process (all the activities and movement and commitments under
            the Principles of the WSF. / People should to be actively part of it,
            before to come to the IC membership),
            
            3) WSF editions (workd, regional, local or thematic events, as moments
            of meeting, joint, struggles expression, exchange of agenda and to
            doorway the WSF process, with some clear criteria of metodology and
            transparence to part of the WSF process).
            
            IC POLITICAL TASKS
            
            We have also some roles, at this moment under reponsability of IC
            commissions, those we should to define how to do and to be made better
            than now (in the new dynamic or protocol)
            
            1) Receive, discuss, formulate and offer strategies (eg where and how
            strengthen the resistance movement and struggles to transform the
            world?),
            
            2)  Receive and discuss methodological contributions coming from
            events, meetings, and the process, formulate and provide inputs. Also
            help the organizing committes to put them into practice
            
            3) To communicate and Mobilize comunication (adopt policies
            communication compatible with the struggle for this right in the
            world)
            
            4) Take the sustainability of the IC as collective responsibility,
            establishing transparent forms of mobilizing and managing resources to
            support the international process
            
            5) Assure the expansion of the IC as an expression of the map of
            resistences in the world
            
            6) Make all the process open, visible, interactive with documents and
            accounts open, clear decision making process,
            
            7) interconnect the work concerning the IC decisions and prepare the
            meetings of the IC (some tasks that were in the hands of the liason
            group   WSF Office)
            
            Regards
            Rita
            
            On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Wilhelmina Trout WMW
            <wilhelmina@...> wrote:
            > Dear Gina
            > my sincerest apologies for not being present these past days in these
            > discussions, after my last task of sending you my notes.  Thank you for
            > taking over & carrying the load.
            >
            > I am sure you, with the rest of the world, witnessed the recent killings of
            > striking mine workers at the Lonmin Mine here in Marikane, it has shocked
            > the world & here in South Africa we are trying to come to grips with the
            > loss of lives and to make sense of this brutality.
            >
            > But for now I will follow the discussions & continue participating actively
            > in the group shortly.
            >
            > In solidarity
            > wilhelmina
            >
            > On 20 August 2012 22:41, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote:
            >>
            >>  dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please respond as
            >> soon as posible
            >>
            >> amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por favor
            >> respondan pronto
            >>
            >>
            >> Gina
            >>
            >>
            >> 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...>
            >>>
            >>> (Inglès: ver abajo)
            >>>
            >>>
            >>>
            >>> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo!
            >>>
            >>> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones que
            >>> suscita.
            >>>
            >>>
            >>>
            >>> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas:
            >>>
            >>>
            >>>
            >>> -          El protocol
            >>>
            >>> -          El plan de trabajo
            >>>
            >>> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir. El
            >>> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro grupo?
            >>>
            >>> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las responsabilidades?
            >>>
            >>>
            >>>
            >>> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos, seria
            >>> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar.
            >>>
            >>>
            >>>
            >>> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen razon.
            >>> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las
            >>> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros del CI
            >>> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un
            >>> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo …
            >>>
            >>>
            >>>
            >>> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que
            >>> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos?
            >>>
            >>> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario?
            >>>
            >>>
            >>>
            >>> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar …
            >>>
            >>>
            >>>
            >>> Esperando las noticias.
            >>>
            >>>
            >>>
            >>> Francine
            >>>
            >>>
            >>>
            >>>
            >>>
            >>> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done.
            >>>
            >>> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack of
            >>> reactions …
            >>>
            >>> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals:
            >>>
            >>> -          Protocol
            >>>
            >>> -          A working plan
            >>>
            >>> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the
            >>> ‘rules of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect?
            >>>
            >>> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with
            >>> responsibilities?
            >>>
            >>>
            >>>
            >>> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different
            >>> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have to
            >>> avoid, I think.
            >>>
            >>> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are
            >>> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all messages
            >>> go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also is a need
            >>> for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule be a kind
            >>> of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing …
            >>>
            >>>
            >>>
            >>> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to
            >>> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with priority?
            >>>
            >>> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire?
            >>>
            >>>
            >>>
            >>> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help …
            >>>
            >>>
            >>>
            >>> Waiting for more news,
            >>>
            >>>
            >>>
            >>> Francine
            >>>
            >>> Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...]
            >>> Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01
            >>> Aan: wg-about-future@...
            >>> Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona
            >>>
            >>>
            >>>
            >>> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo.
            >>> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar.
            >>>
            >>> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue
            >>> working.  Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work.
            >>>
            >>> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have
            >>> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that know
            >>> both can check?
            >>>
            >>> besos
            >>> Gina
            >>>
            >>> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...>
            >>>
            >>> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
            >>> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
            >>>
            >>> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list.
            >>> This is a prove to see if it functions.
            >>>
            >>> Gina
            >>>
            >>>
            >>>
            >>>
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            • Re: Re: confirmando que funciona

              from rita freire on Aug 21, 2012 04:35 PM
              (Na mensagem em inglês, primeiro, manifestei solidariedade no caso dos
              mineiros assassinados em Marikane, sobre os quais Wilhelmina falou em
              sua mensagem. A brutalidade chocou a Africa do Sul e o mundo.
              Perguntei como podemos nos somar às manifestações de protesto)
              
              ENGLISH IN THE LAST MESSAGE
              
              PORTUGUES:
              
              Gina e compas, sugiro algumas tarefas que precisamos enfrentar, e que
              deveriam ser adicionadas ao plano de trabalho
              
              Primeiro é preciso definir mais claramente a diferenciação de papéis
              no processo FSM
              
              1) O CI e seus encontros
              2) O processo FSM propriamente dito
              3) As edições do FSM
              
              Precisamos deixar claro, a fim de não dar 'a reunião do CI do FSM o
              mesmo sentido de uma edição reduzida do FSM. Devemos preservar a
              oportunidade presencial das reuniões caros IC para que sejam uteis ao
              o processo (por exemplo, tomando as decisões e fazendo os debates
              cruciais
              que o processo do FSM coloca na mesa do CI),
              
              Alguma definições devem ser tomadas, na minha opinião:
              
              1) O IC (corpo da facilitação, com regras sobre quem e por que e para
              o que é parte dele),
              
              2) O processo FSM (todas as atividades e movimentos e compromissos no
              âmbito Princípios do FSM. / As pessoas/organizações devem participar
              ativamente  do processo antes de vir para a adesão IC),
              
              3) As edições do FSM (eventos mundiais, regionais, locais ou
              temáticas, como momentos de encontro, soma, expressão de lutas e
              intercampio de agendas, e porta de entrada ao processo do FSM, com
              alguns de critérios claros de metodologia e transparência para ser
              considerado parte do processo do FSM).
              
              Tarefos políticas do CI
              
              Temos também alguns papéis, neste momento sob responsilidade do CI +
              comissões, e sobre os quais devemos definir como fazer e e tornar
              melhor
              do que agora (na nova dinâmica ou protocolo)
              
              1) Receber, discutir, formular e oferecer estratégias (por exemplo,
              onde e como fortalecer o movimento de resistência e luta para
              transformar o
              mundo?),
              
              2) Receber e discutir as contribuições metodológicas provenientes de
              eventos, reuniões, e no processo, formular e fornecer insumos. Também
              ajudar os comitês organizadores de colocá-los em prática
              
              3) Comunicar e mobilizar a comunicação (adotar políticas comunicação
              compatíveis com a luta por este direito no mundo)
              
              4) Tomar a sustentabilidade do IC como responsabilidade coletiva,
              estabelecer formas transparentes de mobilização e gestão de recursos
              para
              apoiar o processo internacional
              
              5) Assegurar a expansão da IC como uma expressão do mapa de
              resistências no mundo
              
              6) Fazer todo o processo aberto, visível e interativo, com os
              documentos e contas abertas e processos claros de decisões
              
              7) interligar o trabalho concernente às decisões tomadas pelo CI e
              preparar o reuniões do CI (algumas tarefas que estavam nas mãos do
              Grupo de Enlace e do grupo Escritório FSM)
              
              Atenciosamente
              
              On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 1:03 PM, rita freire <ritafreir@...> wrote:
              > Wilhelmina, our solidarity with the familie, friends of the mine
              > workers and the people in Marikane. Let us to now how to join you/them
              > to express our protest against this brutality.
              >
              > PORTUGUESE SOON
              >
              > ENGLISH:
              >
              > Gina and compas, I sugest some tasks we need to face those should to
              > be added in the Working plan
              >
              > The first one is to define more clearly the diferentiation of the
              > roles in the process WSF
              >
              > 1)  IC body/meetings
              > 2) WSF process itself
              > 3) WSF editions
              >
              > We need to make it clear in order to don't give to the WSF IC meeting
              > the same sense of one small WSF's edition. We should preserve the
              > presential opportunity of the expensive IC meetings to be usefull for
              > the process, (eg, taking the decisions and making the crucial debates
              > that WSF process put on the table of the WSF IC),
              >
              > Some definition should be taken, in my opinion:
              >
              > 1)  IC body (as facilitation body, with rules about who and why and
              > for what are in the body),
              >
              > 2) WSF process (all the activities and movement and commitments under
              > the Principles of the WSF. / People should to be actively part of it,
              > before to come to the IC membership),
              >
              > 3) WSF editions (workd, regional, local or thematic events, as moments
              > of meeting, joint, struggles expression, exchange of agenda and to
              > doorway the WSF process, with some clear criteria of metodology and
              > transparence to part of the WSF process).
              >
              > IC POLITICAL TASKS
              >
              > We have also some roles, at this moment under reponsability of IC
              > commissions, those we should to define how to do and to be made better
              > than now (in the new dynamic or protocol)
              >
              > 1) Receive, discuss, formulate and offer strategies (eg where and how
              > strengthen the resistance movement and struggles to transform the
              > world?),
              >
              > 2)  Receive and discuss methodological contributions coming from
              > events, meetings, and the process, formulate and provide inputs. Also
              > help the organizing committes to put them into practice
              >
              > 3) To communicate and Mobilize comunication (adopt policies
              > communication compatible with the struggle for this right in the
              > world)
              >
              > 4) Take the sustainability of the IC as collective responsibility,
              > establishing transparent forms of mobilizing and managing resources to
              > support the international process
              >
              > 5) Assure the expansion of the IC as an expression of the map of
              > resistences in the world
              >
              > 6) Make all the process open, visible, interactive with documents and
              > accounts open, clear decision making process,
              >
              > 7) interconnect the work concerning the IC decisions and prepare the
              > meetings of the IC (some tasks that were in the hands of the liason
              > group   WSF Office)
              >
              > Regards
              > Rita
              >
              > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Wilhelmina Trout WMW
              > <wilhelmina@...> wrote:
              >> Dear Gina
              >> my sincerest apologies for not being present these past days in these
              >> discussions, after my last task of sending you my notes.  Thank you for
              >> taking over & carrying the load.
              >>
              >> I am sure you, with the rest of the world, witnessed the recent killings of
              >> striking mine workers at the Lonmin Mine here in Marikane, it has shocked
              >> the world & here in South Africa we are trying to come to grips with the
              >> loss of lives and to make sense of this brutality.
              >>
              >> But for now I will follow the discussions & continue participating actively
              >> in the group shortly.
              >>
              >> In solidarity
              >> wilhelmina
              >>
              >> On 20 August 2012 22:41, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote:
              >>>
              >>>  dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please respond as
              >>> soon as posible
              >>>
              >>> amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por favor
              >>> respondan pronto
              >>>
              >>>
              >>> Gina
              >>>
              >>>
              >>> 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...>
              >>>>
              >>>> (Inglès: ver abajo)
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo!
              >>>>
              >>>> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones que
              >>>> suscita.
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas:
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>> -          El protocol
              >>>>
              >>>> -          El plan de trabajo
              >>>>
              >>>> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir. El
              >>>> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro grupo?
              >>>>
              >>>> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las responsabilidades?
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos, seria
              >>>> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar.
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen razon.
              >>>> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las
              >>>> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros del CI
              >>>> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un
              >>>> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo …
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que
              >>>> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos?
              >>>>
              >>>> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario?
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar …
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>> Esperando las noticias.
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>> Francine
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done.
              >>>>
              >>>> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack of
              >>>> reactions …
              >>>>
              >>>> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals:
              >>>>
              >>>> -          Protocol
              >>>>
              >>>> -          A working plan
              >>>>
              >>>> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the
              >>>> ‘rules of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect?
              >>>>
              >>>> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with
              >>>> responsibilities?
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different
              >>>> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have to
              >>>> avoid, I think.
              >>>>
              >>>> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are
              >>>> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all messages
              >>>> go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also is a need
              >>>> for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule be a kind
              >>>> of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing …
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to
              >>>> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with priority?
              >>>>
              >>>> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire?
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help …
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>> Waiting for more news,
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>> Francine
              >>>>
              >>>> Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...]
              >>>> Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01
              >>>> Aan: wg-about-future@...
              >>>> Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo.
              >>>> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar.
              >>>>
              >>>> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue
              >>>> working.  Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work.
              >>>>
              >>>> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have
              >>>> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that know
              >>>> both can check?
              >>>>
              >>>> besos
              >>>> Gina
              >>>>
              >>>> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...>
              >>>>
              >>>> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
              >>>> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
              >>>>
              >>>> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list.
              >>>> This is a prove to see if it functions.
              >>>>
              >>>> Gina
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>>
              >>>>
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          • Re: Re: confirmando que funciona

            from longwe5000 on Aug 21, 2012 10:08 PM
            Wilhelmina, Condolences on the heartless killings of miners leaving behind widows without means for their livelihoods!
            
            FUTURE OF WSF/IC: 
            
            Thanks Gina for summary of Monastir Working Group & discussion summary. 
            
            Below is my contribution on both summaries:
            
            1) STUCTURE: IC must be a horizontal collective of activists to facilitate bi-annual WSF editions (ie selecting forum themes & issues & constituting working groups as need be); 
            
            2) MEMBERSHIP: All attendants @ each six-monthly IC meetings shall be considered as members for that particular meeting to participate on equal footing with previous participants; 
            
            3) AGENDA: Draft must be shared beforehand & adjusted accordingly & adhered to in the IC meeting; 
            
            4) IC/CHAIR: Co-Chairs & Co-Rapporteurs of IC sessions should be on regional rotation basis & responsible for summary reports @ final plenary session & sharing final reports online;
            
            5) SPEAKERS: Speaking time should be ten minutes maximum per speaker & no repetition (withdraw microphone if exceeds) regardless of speaker in order to have more speakers, save time & adhere to the Agenda; 
            
            6) BACKGROUND: Previous IC attendants shall provide background/historical memory for continuity & cohesion in transparent manner in the main meetings & working groups; 
            
            7) DOCUMENTS: Summary minutes & reports from previous working groups must be shared together with the Agenda (prior to the IC meeting dates) in English & author's language at least.
            
            8) GUIDING Principles: These are principles but not rules. These include: WSF Charter & policies adopted by IC for its operational purpose, working groups & global regional social forum chapters. 
            
            9) THIS WORKING GROUP:
            
            9a) I agree with Gina that the core-members are those persons that attended the Monastir working group BUT open to interested individuals NOT entire membership;
            
            9b) Gina must continue to make periodic summaries of points made;
            
            9c) A deadline is needed to bring to an end the debate, followed by an analysis of the inputs & share with this membership for comments & revise accordingly as a zero draft report;
            
            9d) Submit the zero draft report to IC members online for their comments BUT present final report & priory comments received @ IC meeting for decision on proposals therein.
            
            Warm regards
            
            Sara
            
            Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone provided by Airtel Zambia.
            
            -----Original Message-----
            From: Wilhelmina Trout WMW <wilhelmina@...>
            Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 16:51:26 
            To: <wg-about-future@...>
            Reply-To: wg-about-future@...
            Subject: Re: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona
            
            Dear Gina
            my sincerest apologies for not being present these past days in these
            discussions, after my last task of sending you my notes.  Thank you for
            taking over & carrying the load.
            
            I am sure you, with the rest of the world, witnessed the recent killings of
            striking mine workers at the Lonmin Mine here in Marikane, it has shocked
            the world & here in South Africa we are trying to come to grips with the
            loss of lives and to make sense of this brutality.
            
            But for now I will follow the discussions & continue participating actively
            in the group shortly.
            
            In solidarity
            wilhelmina
            
            On 20 August 2012 22:41, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote:
            
            >  dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please respond as
            > soon as posible
            >
            > amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por favor
            > respondan pronto
            >
            >
            > Gina
            >
            >
            > 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...>
            >
            >> (Inglès: ver abajo)****
            >>
            >> ** **
            >>
            >> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo!****
            >>
            >> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones que
            >> suscita.****
            >>
            >> ** **
            >>
            >> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas:***
            >> *
            >>
            >> ** **
            >>
            >> **-          **El protocol****
            >>
            >> **-          **El plan de trabajo****
            >>
            >> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir. El
            >> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro grupo?
            >> ****
            >>
            >> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las responsabilidades?**
            >> **
            >>
            >> ** **
            >>
            >> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos, seria
            >> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar.****
            >>
            >> ** **
            >>
            >> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen razon.
            >> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las
            >> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros del CI
            >> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un
            >> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo … **
            >> **
            >>
            >> ** **
            >>
            >> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que
            >> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos?****
            >>
            >> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario?****
            >>
            >> ** **
            >>
            >> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar …****
            >>
            >> ** **
            >>
            >> Esperando las noticias.****
            >>
            >> ** **
            >>
            >> Francine****
            >>
            >> ** **
            >>
            >> ** **
            >>
            >> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done.****
            >>
            >> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack of
            >> reactions …****
            >>
            >> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals:****
            >>
            >> **-          **Protocol****
            >>
            >> **-          **A working plan****
            >>
            >> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the
            >> ‘rules of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect?****
            >>
            >> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with
            >> responsibilities?****
            >>
            >> ** **
            >>
            >> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different
            >> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have to
            >> avoid, I think.****
            >>
            >> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are
            >> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all
            >> messages go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also
            >> is a need for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule
            >> be a kind of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing
            >> …****
            >>
            >> ** **
            >>
            >> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to
            >> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with priority?
            >> ****
            >>
            >> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire?****
            >>
            >> ** **
            >>
            >> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help …****
            >>
            >> ** **
            >>
            >> Waiting for more news,****
            >>
            >> ** **
            >>
            >> Francine****
            >>
            >> *Van:* gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@... <ginvargas@...>]
            >> *Verzonden:* 15 August 2012 14:01
            >> *Aan:* wg-about-future@...
            >> *Onderwerp:* [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona****
            >>
            >> ** **
            >>
            >> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo.
            >> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar.
            >>
            >> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue
            >> working.  Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work.
            >>
            >> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have
            >> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that know
            >> both can check?
            >>
            >> besos
            >> Gina****
            >>
            >> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...>****
            >>
            >> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
            >> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
            >>
            >> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list.
            >> This is a prove to see if it functions.
            >>
            >> Gina****
            >>
            >> ** **
            >>
            >>
            >>
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          • Re: Re: confirmando que funciona

            from gina on Aug 21, 2012 04:49 PM
            Dear Wilhermina, yes, we all know about the killings! it is really
            shocking. Mantain us informed.
            
            besos
            
            Gina
            
            2012/8/21 Wilhelmina Trout WMW <wilhelmina@...>
            
            > Dear Gina
            > my sincerest apologies for not being present these past days in these
            > discussions, after my last task of sending you my notes.  Thank you for
            > taking over & carrying the load.
            >
            > I am sure you, with the rest of the world, witnessed the recent killings
            > of striking mine workers at the Lonmin Mine here in Marikane, it has
            > shocked the world & here in South Africa we are trying to come to grips
            > with the loss of lives and to make sense of this brutality.
            >
            > But for now I will follow the discussions & continue participating
            > actively in the group shortly.
            >
            > In solidarity
            > wilhelmina
            >
            > On 20 August 2012 22:41, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote:
            >
            >>  dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please respond as
            >> soon as posible
            >>
            >> amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por favor
            >> respondan pronto
            >>
            >>
            >> Gina
            >>
            >>
            >> 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...>
            >>
            >>> (Inglès: ver abajo)****
            >>>
            >>> ** **
            >>>
            >>> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo!****
            >>>
            >>> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones
            >>> que suscita.****
            >>>
            >>> ** **
            >>>
            >>> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas:**
            >>> **
            >>>
            >>> ** **
            >>>
            >>> **-          **El protocol****
            >>>
            >>> **-          **El plan de trabajo****
            >>>
            >>> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir. El
            >>> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro grupo?
            >>> ****
            >>>
            >>> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las responsabilidades?*
            >>> ***
            >>>
            >>> ** **
            >>>
            >>> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos, seria
            >>> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar.****
            >>>
            >>> ** **
            >>>
            >>> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen
            >>> razon. Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las
            >>> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros del CI
            >>> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un
            >>> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo … *
            >>> ***
            >>>
            >>> ** **
            >>>
            >>> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que
            >>> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos?****
            >>>
            >>> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario?****
            >>>
            >>> ** **
            >>>
            >>> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar …****
            >>>
            >>> ** **
            >>>
            >>> Esperando las noticias.****
            >>>
            >>> ** **
            >>>
            >>> Francine****
            >>>
            >>> ** **
            >>>
            >>> ** **
            >>>
            >>> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done.****
            >>>
            >>> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack of
            >>> reactions …****
            >>>
            >>> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals:****
            >>>
            >>> **-          **Protocol****
            >>>
            >>> **-          **A working plan****
            >>>
            >>> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the
            >>> ‘rules of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect?****
            >>>
            >>> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with
            >>> responsibilities?****
            >>>
            >>> ** **
            >>>
            >>> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different
            >>> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have to
            >>> avoid, I think.****
            >>>
            >>> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are
            >>> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all
            >>> messages go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also
            >>> is a need for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule
            >>> be a kind of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing
            >>> …****
            >>>
            >>> ** **
            >>>
            >>> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to
            >>> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with priority?
            >>> ****
            >>>
            >>> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire?****
            >>>
            >>> ** **
            >>>
            >>> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help …****
            >>>
            >>> ** **
            >>>
            >>> Waiting for more news,****
            >>>
            >>> ** **
            >>>
            >>> Francine****
            >>>
            >>> *Van:* gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@... <ginvargas@...>]
            >>> *Verzonden:* 15 August 2012 14:01
            >>> *Aan:* wg-about-future@...
            >>> *Onderwerp:* [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona****
            >>>
            >>> ** **
            >>>
            >>> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo.
            >>> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar.
            >>>
            >>> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue
            >>> working.  Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work.
            >>>
            >>> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have
            >>> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that know
            >>> both can check?
            >>>
            >>> besos
            >>> Gina****
            >>>
            >>> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...>****
            >>>
            >>> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
            >>> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
            >>>
            >>> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list.
            >>> This is a prove to see if it functions.
            >>>
            >>> Gina****
            >>>
            >>> ** **
            >>>
            >>>
            >>>
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          • Re: Re: confirmando que funciona

            from Gustavo Massiah on Aug 22, 2012 12:00 PM
            Dear Wilhermina
            
            we are with you in solidarity
            and with all the workers of striking mine
            
            we are sure that social justice will be on the road of this fundamental 
            struggle
            
            In solidarity
            
            gustave massiah
            representative of CRID at the IC of WSF
            
            
            
            
            
            
            Le 21/08/2012 16:51, Wilhelmina Trout WMW a écrit :
            > Dear Gina
            > my sincerest apologies for not being present these past days in these 
            > discussions, after my last task of sending you my notes.  Thank you 
            > for taking over & carrying the load.
            > I am sure you, with the rest of the world, witnessed the recent 
            > killings of striking mine workers at the Lonmin Mine here in Marikane, 
            > it has shocked the world & here in South Africa we are trying to come 
            > to grips with the loss of lives and to make sense of this brutality.
            > But for now I will follow the discussions & continue participating 
            > actively in the group shortly.
            > In solidarity
            > wilhelmina
            >
            > On 20 August 2012 22:41, gina vargas <ginvargas@... 
            > <mailto:ginvargas@...>> wrote:
            >
            >      dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please
            >     respond as soon as posible
            >
            >     amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por
            >     favor respondan pronto
            >
            >
            >     Gina
            >
            >
            >     2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...
            >     <mailto:mestrum@...>>
            >
            >         (Inglès: ver abajo)
            >
            >         Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo!
            >
            >         Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas
            >         reacciones que suscita.
            >
            >         Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos
            >         propuestas:
            >
            >         -El protocol
            >
            >         -El plan de trabajo
            >
            >         Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere
            >         decir. El protocol: se trata de establecer las 'reglas del
            >         juego' de nuestro grupo?
            >
            >         Y el 'plan de trabajo': las distintas tareas con las
            >         responsabilidades?
            >
            >         No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos
            >         grupos, seria una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que
            >         evitar.
            >
            >         En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege
            >         tienen razon. Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si
            >         mandamos todas las infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro
            >         lado, pienso que los miembros del CI tienen una
            >         necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un
            >         ejercicio de 'catarsis', pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso
            >         lo dudo ...
            >
            >         Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo
            >         tendrian que mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que
            >         ser discutidos?
            >
            >         Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario?
            >
            >         No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar ...
            >
            >         Esperando las noticias.
            >
            >         Francine
            >
            >         Thank you very much Gina for all the work done.
            >
            >         Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about
            >         the lack of reactions ...
            >
            >         I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two
            >         proposals:
            >
            >         -Protocol
            >
            >         -A working plan
            >
            >         I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think
            >         of the 'rules of the game' our working-group has to follow and
            >         respect?
            >
            >         Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with
            >         responsibilities?
            >
            >         I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in
            >         different sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation,
            >         something we have to avoid, I think.
            >
            >         Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and
            >         Liege are right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a
            >         working group if all messages go to the whole of the IC. On
            >         the other hand, I think there also is a need for all members
            >         of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule be a kind of
            >         'catharsis', though I am not sure they will do this in writing ...
            >
            >         Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the
            >         working-group to send a list of points they think will have to
            >         be discussed with priority?
            >
            >         Maybe we should work with a questionnaire?
            >
            >         Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help ...
            >
            >         Waiting for more news,
            >
            >         Francine
            >
            >         *Van:*gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...]
            >         *Verzonden:* 15 August 2012 14:01
            >         *Aan:* wg-about-future@...
            >         <mailto:wg-about-future@...>
            >         *Onderwerp:* [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona
            >
            >         Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro
            >         trabajo. Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar.
            >
            >         Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can
            >         continue working.  Waiting for your comments and propsals to
            >         began to work.
            >
            >         the traslation to english have been done in google; although I
            >         have correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some
            >         of you that know both can check?
            >
            >         besos
            >         Gina
            >
            >         2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...
            >         <mailto:ginvargas@...>>
            >
            >         Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
            >         esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
            >
            >         Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this
            >         list.
            >         This is a prove to see if it functions.
            >
            >         Gina
            >
            >
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            • Re: Re: confirmando que funciona

              from rita freire on Aug 22, 2012 01:59 PM
              Agree
              
              Also the list of the IC  members/organizations in this group,
              If it can help, bellow you find the list of members of the IC
              
              Rita
              
              
              50 Years is Enough!
              50years@...
              www.50years.org
              
              Associação Brasileira de ONGs (ABONG)
              abong@...
              www.abong.org.br
              
              
              Action Aid International (AAI)
              mail.jhb@...
              www.actionaid.org
              
              Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU)
              mailbox@...
              www.actu.asn.au
              
              American Federation of Labor-Congress of Industrial Organizations (AFL-CIO)
              feedback@...
              www.aflcio.org/home.htm
              
              Africa Trade Network
              aidc@...
              http://africatradenetwork.com
              
              Alternative Information on Development Center (AIDC)
              aidc@...
              http://aidc.org.za
              
              Agencia Latinoamericana de Información (AIDC)
              info@...
              www.alainet.org
              
              Associação Latino Americana de Pequenos e Médios Empresários (ALAMPYME)
              apyme@...
              www.apyme.com.ar
              
              Aliança Por Um Mundo Responsável e Solidário
              lille@...
              www.alliance21.org
              
              All Arab Peasants & Agricultural Co-operatives Union
              F76arab@...
              
              Associação Latino Americana de Organismos de Promoção (ALOP)
              info@...
              www.alop.or.cr
              
              Alternatives Information Center
              yahni@...
              www.alternativenews.org
              
              Alternatives
              alternatives@...< /a>
              www.alternatives.ca
              
              Alternative International
              www.alternatives.ca
              
              Alternatives Rússia
              dhrr@...
              
              Amigos da Terra/Friends of the Earth
              foe@...
              www.foei.org
              
              APRODEV
              aprodev@...
              www.aprodev.net
              
              Arab NGO Network for Development
              annd@...
              www.annd.org
              
              Asian Regional Exchange for New Alternatives (ARENA)
              arena@...
              www.asianexchange.org
              
              Articulación Feminista Marco Sur
              mujeresdelsur@...
              www.mujeresdelsur.org.uy
              
              Aliança Social Continental (ASC)
              sri_cut@...
              www.ascahsa.org
              
              Asemblea de los Pueblos del Caribe (APC)
              habitatcarib@..., pedroarg@...
              http://movimientos.org/caribe/
              
              Assemblée Europeenne dês Citoyens
              cedetim@...
              www.cedetim.org/AEC
              
              Assembléia das Nações Unidas dos Povos
              flavio@...
              
              Associação para o Progresso das Comunicações
              anriette@...
              www.apc.org
              
              ATTAC- Brasil
              attacsaopaulo@...
              www.attac.org/brasil
              
              ATTAC France
              attac@...
              http://attac.org
              
              Babels
              wsfsm@...
              
              Bankwatch Network
              jozseff@...
              www.bankwatch.org
              
              Comité pour l’Annulation de la Dette du Tiers Monde (CADTM)
              cadtm@...
              http://users.skynet.be/cadtm
              
              Canadian Council
              Jdunn@...
              
              Coordinación Andina de Organizaciones Indigenas (CAOI)
              coordinadorandinacaoi@...
              www.minkandina.org
              
              Caritas Internacionalis
              caritas.internationalis@...
              www.caritas.org
              
              Comissão Brasileira de Justiça e Paz (CBJP )
              intercom@...
              www.cbjp.org.br
              
              Consejo de Educación de Adultos de América Latina (CEAAL)
              ceaal@...
              www.ceaal.org
              
              CEDAR Internacional
              cedar@...
              www.cedarinternational.net
              
              Centre dEtudes et d Initiatives de Solidarité Internationale (CEDETIM)
              cedetim@...
              www.cedetim.org
              
              Central de Trabajadores Argentinos
              cta@...
              www.cta.org.ar
              
              European Trade Union Confederation (CES)
              etuc@...
              www.etuc.org
              
              CETRI
              cetri@...
              www.cetri.be
              
              CIDSE
              postmaster@...
              www.cidse.org
              
              Confederação Internacional de Organizações Sindicais Livres (CIOSL)
              internetpo@...
              www.cioslorit.org
              
              Ciranda Internacional da Comunicação Compatilhada
              ciranda@...
              www.ciranda.net
              
              CIVES
              cives@...
              www.cives.org.br
              
              Conselho Latino Americano de Ciências Sociais (CLACSO)
              clacsofsm@...
              www.clacso.org
              
              Canadian Labour Congress (CLC)
              sbenedict@...
              www.clc-ctc.ca
              
              Confederação Mundial do Trabalho (CMT)
              info@...
              www.cmt-wcl.org
              
              Coalición Internacional para el Hábitat
              hic-al@...
              http://www.hic-net.org/
              
              Coligação para a Justiça Econômica
              viriatot@...
              
              Convergência de los Movimientos de los Pueblos de las Américas (COMPA)
              colectivoredom_@...
              rgf@...
              http://www.sitiocompa.org/compa/index.php
              
              CONAIE
              info@...
              http://conaie.org
              
              Congresso Nacional Indígena do México
              ceatl@...
              
              Conselho Mundial de Igrejas
              info@...
              www.wcc-coe.org
              
              Coordenación del Foro “El Otro Davos”
              Page2@...
              
              Coordenadora de Centrais Sindicais do Cone Sul
              eduardof@...
              http://www.sindicatomercosul.com.br/
              
              Corpwatch
              corpwatch@...
              www.corpwatch.org
              
              Congress of South African Trade Unions (COSATU)
              cosatu@...
              www.cosatu.org.za
              
              Centre de Recherche et d´Information pour le Développment (CRID)
              info@...
              www.crid.asso.fr
              
              Confederación Sindical Internacional (CSI)
              claire.courteille@...
              http://www.ituc-csi.org
              
              Central Única dos Trabalhadores (CUT)
              sri-cut@...
              www.cut.org.br
              
              E-joussour
              www.e-joussour.net
              
              Encuentros Hemisféricos contra el ALCA
              joel@...
              
              ENDA
              taoufik@...
              www.enda.sn
              
              Euralat
              Criera@...
              
              Euromarches
              euromarches@...
              www.euromarches.org
              
              FAMES
              rabia@...
              
              Frente Continental de Organizações Comunitárias (FECOC)
              mlongoria@...
              
              Federación Mundial de Juventudes Democráticas
              wfdy@...
              www.wfdy.org
              
              Féderation démocratique internationale des femmes (FDIF)
              fdif@...
              www.fdif.eu.org
              
              Fundación per la Pau/International Peace Bureau (IPB)
              mailbox@...
              www.ipb.org
              
              Food First International Action Network (FIAN)
              fian@...
              www.fian.org
              
              Federeação Internacional Direitos Humanos (FIDH)
              rsanchez@...
              www.fidh.org
              
              Freedom Legality And Rights in Europe (FLARE)
              info@...
              www.flarenetwork.org
              
              Focus on the Global South
              admin@...
              http://focusweb.org
              
              Fondation Frantz Fanon
              http://frantzfanonfoundation-fondationfrantzfanon.com/
              
              Forum des Organisations de Solidarité Internationale issues des
              Migrations (FORIM)
              forim@...
              forim@...
              
              Fórum Dakar
              Residel.kaolack@...
              
              Forum Mondial des Alternatives
              ftm@...
              www.alternatives-action.org/fma
              
              Forum of the Poors
              fopthai@...
              
              Fórum Social Italiano
              vagnoleto@...
              
              Foundation for Socio-Economic Justice (FSEJ)
              fsej@...
              
              General Union of Oil Employees in Southern Iraq
              Contact: Farouk M. Sadiq Ismaa'l
              101small@...
              
              GLBT South-South Dialogue
              dialogo@...
              
              Global Commons Foundation
              www.www.globalcommonsfoundation.org
              
              Global Exchange
              admin@...
              www.globalexchange.org
              
              Global Policy Network
              gpn-listowner@...
              www.globalpolicynetwork.org
              
              Global Progressive Fórum
              info@...
              www.globalprogressiveforum.org
              
              Grassroots Global Justice
              ggj@...
              www.ggjalliance.org
              
              Greenpeace
              greenpeace.brazil@...
              http://www.greenpeace.org/
              
              Grito dos Excluídos
              gritoexcluidos@...
              www.movimientos.org
              
              Grupo de Trabalho Amazônico
              www. gta.org.br
              
              Habitat Internation Coalition
              maite.martinez-pardo@...
              www.habitat-international-coalition.org
              
              Helsinki Citizens Assembly
              
              Herriak Aske
              international@...
              
              Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy (IATP)
              khoff@...
              www.iatp.org
              
              IBASE
              ibase@...
              www.ibase.br
              
              Conselho Internacional de Educação de Adultos (ICAE)
              icae@...
              http://www.icae.org.uy/spa/sindex.html
              
              International Federationof Alternative Trade (IFAT)
              info@...
              www.ifat.org
              
              International Forum on Globalization (IFG)
              ifg@...
              www.ifg.org
              
              International Alliance of Habitants
              info@...
              www.habitants.org
              
              International drama and education association (IDEA)
              www.idea-org.net
              
              International Gender and Trade Network
              secretariat@...
              www.igtn.org
              
              International Network of Street Papers (INSP)
              l.maclean@...
              irn@...
              www.irn.org
              
              International Sport and Culture Association (ISCA)
              info@...
              www.isca-web.org
              
              Instituto Paulo Freire
              ipf@...
              www.paulofreire.org
              
              Institut Panos Afrique de l’Ouest (IPAO)
              info@...
              www.panos-ao.org
              
              Inter Press Service (IPS)
              kosi@...
              www.ips.org
              
              Union of Arab Community Based Organisations(Ittijah)
              ittijah@...
              www.ittijah.org
              
              Jubilee South – Asia
              vinod.raina@...
              www.jubileesouth.org
              
              Jubileo South – África
              aidc@...
              www.jubileesouth.org
              
              Jubileu 2000
              kitazawa@...
              
              Jubileu Sul América Latina
              keeneba@...
              www.jubileusul.hpg.com.br
              
              KCTU - Korean Confederation of Trade Unions
              inter@...
              www.kctu.org
              
              Kenya Debt Network
              sodnet@...
              
              KOPA
              kopa@...
              http://antiwto.jinbo.net/eroom/index.html
              
              Kurdish Network
              kurdishnetwork@...
              
              Land Research Action Network
              wellington@...
              
              May First/People Link
              info@...
              www.mayfirst.org
              
              Movimento dos Trabalhadores Sem Terra (MST)
              srimst@...
              www.mst.org.br
              
              Narmada
              subbu@...
              www.narmada.org
              
              National Network of Autonomous Women’s Groups
              shahnandita@...
              
              Network Institute for Global Democratization (NIGD)
              katarina@...
              www.nigd.org
              
              No Vox International
              no-vox@...
              www.no-vox.org
              
              North-South Centre
              Fifi.BENABOUD@...
              www.coe.int/T/E/North-South_Centre
              
              Continental Organization of Latin America and Caribbean Students (OCLAE)
              oclae@...
              www.oclae.org
              
              Organization of African Trade Unions Unity
              oatuu@...
              
              Organização Regional Interamericana de Trabalhadores (ORIT)
              info@...
              www.orit-ciosl.org
              
              Organization de la Jeunesse Africaine
              http://www.ojafrique.org/
              
              OXFAM Internacional
              information@...
              www.oxfam.org
              
              Palestinian grassroots Anti-Apartheid Wall Campaign
              mobilize@...
              www.stopthewall.org
              
              Peace Boat
              y-nami@...
              www.peaceboat.org
              
              Peoples Health Movement
              secretariat@...
              http://www.phmovement.org
              
              Plataforma Interamericana de Derechos Humanos, Democracia y Desarrollo
              regional@...
              www.pidhdd.org
              
              PPEHRC – Poor People’s Economic Human Rights Campaign
              kwru@...
              www.economichumanrights.org
              www.kwru.org
              
              Projeto K
              Salvatore.cannavo@...
              ilpanelerose@...
              
              Public Citizen
              tgerson@...
              www.citizen.org
              
              Red Latinoamericana Mulheres Transformando a Economia
              mleon@...
              remte@...
              http://movimientos.org/remte
              
              Rede APM – Agricultures paysannes, sociétés et mondialisation
              pvuarin@...
              www.zooide.com/apm
              
              Rede CONSEU (Conferencia de Naciones sin Estado de Europa)
              activitats@...
              
              Rede Dawn de Mulheres
              dawn@...
              www.dawn.org.fj
              
              Rede de Solidariedade Ásia Pacífico
              intl@...
              
              Rede Latino-Americana e Caribenha de Mulheres Negras
              criola@...
              www.criola.ong.org
              
              Rede Mulher e Habitat
              gem@...
              http://www.redmujer.org.ar
              
              Rede Mundial de Mulheres pelos Direitos Reprodutivos
              office@...
              www.wgnrr.org
              
              Rede Palestina de ONGs
              bisanrd@...
              www.pngo.net
              
              Rede Social de Justiça e Direitos Humanos
              rede@...
              www.social.org.br
              
              Rede Transforme!
              elgauthi@...
              
              Redes Socioeconomia Solidaria
              creintjes@...
              www.reasnet.com
              
              Rede de Educação Popular entre Mulheres (REPEM)
              repem@...
              www.repem.org.uy
              
              Réseau Ouest Africain des Alternatives pour le Developpement (ROAD)
              jubilecad-mali@..., barryaminatou@...
              
              Southern Initiative on Globalisation and Trade Union Rights (SIGTUR)
              rlambert@...
              
              Social Movement Indaba
              
              Social Watch
              socwatch@...
              www.socialwatch.org
              
              Social Development Network (SODNET)
              sodnet@...
              http://www.sodnet.or.ke
              
              Solidar
              solidar@...
              www.solidar.org
              
              Solidarity Africa Network in Action
              njoki@...
              
              The International Federation Terre des Hommes (IFTDH)
              info@...
              www.terredeshommes.org
              
              Transnational Information Exchange (TIE)
              tie@...
              http://www.tie-brasil.org/tie.php
              
              Transnational Institute (TNI)
              tni@...
              www.tni.org
              
              Third World Network (TWN)
              twn@...
              www.twnside.org.sg
              
              UBUNTU - Foro Mundial de Redes de la Sociedad Civil
              ubuntu@...
              www.ubuntu.upc.es
              
              Union Internacional de Estudiantes
              ius@...
              www.ius-uie.org
              
              Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam Network
              vk-finland@...
              www.democracydialogues.org/
              www.demokratiafoorumi.fi/wsf.html
              
              Via Campesina
              viacam@...
              http://ns.rds.org.hn/via/
              
              World Association of Community Radio Broadcasters (Amarc)
              amarc@...
              http://www.amarc.org
              
              World March of Women
              www.ffq.qc.ca/marche2000/en/index.html
              dmatte@...
              
              Zanzibar International Film Festival Of Dhow
              Contato: Fatma ALLOO
              falloo@...
              
              Znet
              sysop@...
              www.zmag.org
              
              
              
              
              Observadores
              
              
              Comitê Organizador do Fórum Mundial de Educação
              
              Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Africano
              taoufik@...
              
              Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Américas
              fsmcontinental@...
              www.forosocialamericas.org
              
              Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Europeu
              wsf@...
              www.fse-esf.org
              
              Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Mediterrâneo
              activitats@...
              fsmedi@...
              
              Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social de Migrações
              
              Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Pan-Amazônico
              cri-pmb@...
              www.fspanamazonico.com.br
              
              Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Tematico: Democracia, Direitos
              Humanos, Guerras e Narcotráfico
              forosocialtematico@...
              www.fsmt.org.co
              
              Funders Network on Trade & Globalization (FNTG)
              mark@...
              www.fntg.org
              
              Fórum Social São Paulo
              http://forumsocialsp.org.br
              
              
              On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Gustavo Massiah <massiah@...> wrote:
              >
              > Dear Wilhermina
              >
              > we are with you in solidarity
              > and with all the workers of striking mine
              >
              > we are sure that social justice will be on the road of this fundamental
              > struggle
              >
              > In solidarity
              >
              > gustave massiah
              > representative of CRID at the IC of WSF
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > Le 21/08/2012 16:51, Wilhelmina Trout WMW a écrit :
              >
              > Dear Gina
              > my sincerest apologies for not being present these past days in these
              > discussions, after my last task of sending you my notes.  Thank you for
              > taking over & carrying the load.
              >
              > I am sure you, with the rest of the world, witnessed the recent killings of
              > striking mine workers at the Lonmin Mine here in Marikane, it has shocked
              > the world & here in South Africa we are trying to come to grips with the
              > loss of lives and to make sense of this brutality.
              >
              > But for now I will follow the discussions & continue participating actively
              > in the group shortly.
              >
              > In solidarity
              > wilhelmina
              >
              > On 20 August 2012 22:41, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote:
              >>
              >>  dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please respond as
              >> soon as posible
              >>
              >> amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por favor
              >> respondan pronto
              >>
              >>
              >> Gina
              >>
              >>
              >> 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...>
              >>>
              >>> (Inglès: ver abajo)
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>
              >>> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo!
              >>>
              >>> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones que
              >>> suscita.
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>
              >>> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas:
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>
              >>> -          El protocol
              >>>
              >>> -          El plan de trabajo
              >>>
              >>> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir. El
              >>> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro grupo?
              >>>
              >>> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las responsabilidades?
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>
              >>> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos, seria
              >>> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar.
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>
              >>> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen razon.
              >>> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las
              >>> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros del CI
              >>> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un
              >>> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo …
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>
              >>> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que
              >>> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos?
              >>>
              >>> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario?
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>
              >>> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar …
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>
              >>> Esperando las noticias.
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>
              >>> Francine
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>
              >>> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done.
              >>>
              >>> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack of
              >>> reactions …
              >>>
              >>> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals:
              >>>
              >>> -          Protocol
              >>>
              >>> -          A working plan
              >>>
              >>> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the
              >>> ‘rules of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect?
              >>>
              >>> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with
              >>> responsibilities?
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>
              >>> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different
              >>> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have to
              >>> avoid, I think.
              >>>
              >>> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are
              >>> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all messages
              >>> go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also is a need
              >>> for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule be a kind
              >>> of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing …
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>
              >>> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to
              >>> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with priority?
              >>>
              >>> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire?
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>
              >>> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help …
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>
              >>> Waiting for more news,
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>
              >>> Francine
              >>>
              >>> Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...]
              >>> Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01
              >>> Aan: wg-about-future@...
              >>> Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>
              >>> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo.
              >>> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar.
              >>>
              >>> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue
              >>> working.  Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work.
              >>>
              >>> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have
              >>> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that know
              >>> both can check?
              >>>
              >>> besos
              >>> Gina
              >>>
              >>> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...>
              >>>
              >>> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
              >>> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
              >>>
              >>> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list.
              >>> This is a prove to see if it functions.
              >>>
              >>> Gina
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>
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              • Re: Re: confirmando que funciona

                from jnardi on Aug 22, 2012 02:07 PM
                Dear all,
                
                I've been following and read most of the messages up to now. I haven't had
                time to write my contribution yet (I just came back from my summer
                vacation).  But I'm happy to see that something is moving...
                
                I like Sara's approach and agree that we should have more frequent online
                meetings.
                
                Rita - the list you sent is old, in fact very old.  Is it possible to have
                an updated one?  In a short time?
                
                ciao from a very warm Italy
                Jason
                
                On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:59 PM, rita freire <ritafreir@...> wrote:
                
                > Agree
                >
                > Also the list of the IC  members/organizations in this group,
                > If it can help, bellow you find the list of members of the IC
                >
                > Rita
                >
                >
                > 50 Years is Enough!
                > 50years@...
                > www.50years.org
                >
                > Associação Brasileira de ONGs (ABONG)
                > abong@...
                > www.abong.org.br
                >
                >
                > Action Aid International (AAI)
                > mail.jhb@...
                > www.actionaid.org
                >
                > Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU)
                > mailbox@...
                > www.actu.asn.au
                >
                > American Federation of Labor-Congress of Industrial Organizations (AFL-CIO)
                > feedback@...
                > www.aflcio.org/home.htm
                >
                > Africa Trade Network
                > aidc@...
                > http://africatradenetwork.com
                >
                > Alternative Information on Development Center (AIDC)
                > aidc@...
                > http://aidc.org.za
                >
                > Agencia Latinoamericana de Información (AIDC)
                > info@...
                > www.alainet.org
                >
                > Associação Latino Americana de Pequenos e Médios Empresários (ALAMPYME)
                > apyme@...
                > www.apyme.com.ar
                >
                > Aliança Por Um Mundo Responsável e Solidário
                > lille@...
                > www.alliance21.org
                >
                > All Arab Peasants & Agricultural Co-operatives Union
                > F76arab@...
                >
                > Associação Latino Americana de Organismos de Promoção (ALOP)
                > info@...
                > www.alop.or.cr
                >
                > Alternatives Information Center
                > yahni@...
                > www.alternativenews.org
                >
                > Alternatives
                > alternatives@...< /a>
                > www.alternatives.ca
                >
                > Alternative International
                > www.alternatives.ca
                >
                > Alternatives Rússia
                > dhrr@...
                >
                > Amigos da Terra/Friends of the Earth
                > foe@...
                > www.foei.org
                >
                > APRODEV
                > aprodev@...
                > www.aprodev.net
                >
                > Arab NGO Network for Development
                > annd@...
                > www.annd.org
                >
                > Asian Regional Exchange for New Alternatives (ARENA)
                > arena@...
                > www.asianexchange.org
                >
                > Articulación Feminista Marco Sur
                > mujeresdelsur@...
                > www.mujeresdelsur.org.uy
                >
                > Aliança Social Continental (ASC)
                > sri_cut@...
                > www.ascahsa.org
                >
                > Asemblea de los Pueblos del Caribe (APC)
                > habitatcarib@..., pedroarg@...
                > http://movimientos.org/caribe/
                >
                > Assemblée Europeenne dês Citoyens
                > cedetim@...
                > www.cedetim.org/AEC
                >
                > Assembléia das Nações Unidas dos Povos
                > flavio@...
                >
                > Associação para o Progresso das Comunicações
                > anriette@...
                > www.apc.org
                >
                > ATTAC- Brasil
                > attacsaopaulo@...
                > www.attac.org/brasil
                >
                > ATTAC France
                > attac@...
                > http://attac.org
                >
                > Babels
                > wsfsm@...
                >
                > Bankwatch Network
                > jozseff@...
                > www.bankwatch.org
                >
                > Comité pour l’Annulation de la Dette du Tiers Monde (CADTM)
                > cadtm@...
                > http://users.skynet.be/cadtm
                >
                > Canadian Council
                > Jdunn@...
                >
                > Coordinación Andina de Organizaciones Indigenas (CAOI)
                > coordinadorandinacaoi@...
                > www.minkandina.org
                >
                > Caritas Internacionalis
                > caritas.internationalis@...
                > www.caritas.org
                >
                > Comissão Brasileira de Justiça e Paz (CBJP )
                > intercom@...
                > www.cbjp.org.br
                >
                > Consejo de Educación de Adultos de América Latina (CEAAL)
                > ceaal@...
                > www.ceaal.org
                >
                > CEDAR Internacional
                > cedar@...
                > www.cedarinternational.net
                >
                > Centre dEtudes et d Initiatives de Solidarité Internationale (CEDETIM)
                > cedetim@...
                > www.cedetim.org
                >
                > Central de Trabajadores Argentinos
                > cta@...
                > www.cta.org.ar
                >
                > European Trade Union Confederation (CES)
                > etuc@...
                > www.etuc.org
                >
                > CETRI
                > cetri@...
                > www.cetri.be
                >
                > CIDSE
                > postmaster@...
                > www.cidse.org
                >
                > Confederação Internacional de Organizações Sindicais Livres (CIOSL)
                > internetpo@...
                > www.cioslorit.org
                >
                > Ciranda Internacional da Comunicação Compatilhada
                > ciranda@...
                > www.ciranda.net
                >
                > CIVES
                > cives@...
                > www.cives.org.br
                >
                > Conselho Latino Americano de Ciências Sociais (CLACSO)
                > clacsofsm@...
                > www.clacso.org
                >
                > Canadian Labour Congress (CLC)
                > sbenedict@...
                > www.clc-ctc.ca
                >
                > Confederação Mundial do Trabalho (CMT)
                > info@...
                > www.cmt-wcl.org
                >
                > Coalición Internacional para el Hábitat
                > hic-al@...
                > http://www.hic-net.org/
                >
                > Coligação para a Justiça Econômica
                > viriatot@...
                >
                > Convergência de los Movimientos de los Pueblos de las Américas (COMPA)
                > colectivoredom_@...
                > rgf@...
                > http://www.sitiocompa.org/compa/index.php
                >
                > CONAIE
                > info@...
                > http://conaie.org
                >
                > Congresso Nacional Indígena do México
                > ceatl@...
                >
                > Conselho Mundial de Igrejas
                > info@...
                > www.wcc-coe.org
                >
                > Coordenación del Foro “El Otro Davos”
                > Page2@...
                >
                > Coordenadora de Centrais Sindicais do Cone Sul
                > eduardof@...
                > http://www.sindicatomercosul.com.br/
                >
                > Corpwatch
                > corpwatch@...
                > www.corpwatch.org
                >
                > Congress of South African Trade Unions (COSATU)
                > cosatu@...
                > www.cosatu.org.za
                >
                > Centre de Recherche et d´Information pour le Développment (CRID)
                > info@...
                > www.crid.asso.fr
                >
                > Confederación Sindical Internacional (CSI)
                > claire.courteille@...
                > http://www.ituc-csi.org
                >
                > Central Única dos Trabalhadores (CUT)
                > sri-cut@...
                > www.cut.org.br
                >
                > E-joussour
                > www.e-joussour.net
                >
                > Encuentros Hemisféricos contra el ALCA
                > joel@...
                >
                > ENDA
                > taoufik@...
                > www.enda.sn
                >
                > Euralat
                > Criera@...
                >
                > Euromarches
                > euromarches@...
                > www.euromarches.org
                >
                > FAMES
                > rabia@...
                >
                > Frente Continental de Organizações Comunitárias (FECOC)
                > mlongoria@...
                >
                > Federación Mundial de Juventudes Democráticas
                > wfdy@...
                > www.wfdy.org
                >
                > Féderation démocratique internationale des femmes (FDIF)
                > fdif@...
                > www.fdif.eu.org
                >
                > Fundación per la Pau/International Peace Bureau (IPB)
                > mailbox@...
                > www.ipb.org
                >
                > Food First International Action Network (FIAN)
                > fian@...
                > www.fian.org
                >
                > Federeação Internacional Direitos Humanos (FIDH)
                > rsanchez@...
                > www.fidh.org
                >
                > Freedom Legality And Rights in Europe (FLARE)
                > info@...
                > www.flarenetwork.org
                >
                > Focus on the Global South
                > admin@...
                > http://focusweb.org
                >
                > Fondation Frantz Fanon
                > http://frantzfanonfoundation-fondationfrantzfanon.com/
                >
                > Forum des Organisations de Solidarité Internationale issues des
                > Migrations (FORIM)
                > forim@...
                > forim@...
                >
                > Fórum Dakar
                > Residel.kaolack@...
                >
                > Forum Mondial des Alternatives
                > ftm@...
                > www.alternatives-action.org/fma
                >
                > Forum of the Poors
                > fopthai@...
                >
                > Fórum Social Italiano
                > vagnoleto@...
                >
                > Foundation for Socio-Economic Justice (FSEJ)
                > fsej@...
                >
                > General Union of Oil Employees in Southern Iraq
                > Contact: Farouk M. Sadiq Ismaa'l
                > 101small@...
                >
                > GLBT South-South Dialogue
                > dialogo@...
                >
                > Global Commons Foundation
                > www.www.globalcommonsfoundation.org
                >
                > Global Exchange
                > admin@...
                > www.globalexchange.org
                >
                > Global Policy Network
                > gpn-listowner@...
                > www.globalpolicynetwork.org
                >
                > Global Progressive Fórum
                > info@...
                > www.globalprogressiveforum.org
                >
                > Grassroots Global Justice
                > ggj@...
                > www.ggjalliance.org
                >
                > Greenpeace
                > greenpeace.brazil@...
                > http://www.greenpeace.org/
                >
                > Grito dos Excluídos
                > gritoexcluidos@...
                > www.movimientos.org
                >
                > Grupo de Trabalho Amazônico
                > www. gta.org.br
                >
                > Habitat Internation Coalition
                > maite.martinez-pardo@...
                > www.habitat-international-coalition.org
                >
                > Helsinki Citizens Assembly
                >
                > Herriak Aske
                > international@...
                >
                > Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy (IATP)
                > khoff@...
                > www.iatp.org
                >
                > IBASE
                > ibase@...
                > www.ibase.br
                >
                > Conselho Internacional de Educação de Adultos (ICAE)
                > icae@...
                > http://www.icae.org.uy/spa/sindex.html
                >
                > International Federationof Alternative Trade (IFAT)
                > info@...
                > www.ifat.org
                >
                > International Forum on Globalization (IFG)
                > ifg@...
                > www.ifg.org
                >
                > International Alliance of Habitants
                > info@...
                > www.habitants.org
                >
                > International drama and education association (IDEA)
                > www.idea-org.net
                >
                > International Gender and Trade Network
                > secretariat@...
                > www.igtn.org
                >
                > International Network of Street Papers (INSP)
                > l.maclean@...
                > irn@...
                > www.irn.org
                >
                > International Sport and Culture Association (ISCA)
                > info@...
                > www.isca-web.org
                >
                > Instituto Paulo Freire
                > ipf@...
                > www.paulofreire.org
                >
                > Institut Panos Afrique de l’Ouest (IPAO)
                > info@...
                > www.panos-ao.org
                >
                > Inter Press Service (IPS)
                > kosi@...
                > www.ips.org
                >
                > Union of Arab Community Based Organisations(Ittijah)
                > ittijah@...
                > www.ittijah.org
                >
                > Jubilee South – Asia
                > vinod.raina@...
                > www.jubileesouth.org
                >
                > Jubileo South – África
                > aidc@...
                > www.jubileesouth.org
                >
                > Jubileu 2000
                > kitazawa@...
                >
                > Jubileu Sul América Latina
                > keeneba@...
                > www.jubileusul.hpg.com.br
                >
                > KCTU - Korean Confederation of Trade Unions
                > inter@...
                > www.kctu.org
                >
                > Kenya Debt Network
                > sodnet@...
                >
                > KOPA
                > kopa@...
                > http://antiwto.jinbo.net/eroom/index.html
                >
                > Kurdish Network
                > kurdishnetwork@...
                >
                > Land Research Action Network
                > wellington@...
                >
                > May First/People Link
                > info@...
                > www.mayfirst.org
                >
                > Movimento dos Trabalhadores Sem Terra (MST)
                > srimst@...
                > www.mst.org.br
                >
                > Narmada
                > subbu@...
                > www.narmada.org
                >
                > National Network of Autonomous Women’s Groups
                > shahnandita@...
                >
                > Network Institute for Global Democratization (NIGD)
                > katarina@...
                > www.nigd.org
                >
                > No Vox International
                > no-vox@...
                > www.no-vox.org
                >
                > North-South Centre
                > Fifi.BENABOUD@...
                > www.coe.int/T/E/North-South_Centre
                >
                > Continental Organization of Latin America and Caribbean Students (OCLAE)
                > oclae@...
                > www.oclae.org
                >
                > Organization of African Trade Unions Unity
                > oatuu@...
                >
                > Organização Regional Interamericana de Trabalhadores (ORIT)
                > info@...
                > www.orit-ciosl.org
                >
                > Organization de la Jeunesse Africaine
                > http://www.ojafrique.org/
                >
                > OXFAM Internacional
                > information@...
                > www.oxfam.org
                >
                > Palestinian grassroots Anti-Apartheid Wall Campaign
                > mobilize@...
                > www.stopthewall.org
                >
                > Peace Boat
                > y-nami@...
                > www.peaceboat.org
                >
                > Peoples Health Movement
                > secretariat@...
                > http://www.phmovement.org
                >
                > Plataforma Interamericana de Derechos Humanos, Democracia y Desarrollo
                > regional@...
                > www.pidhdd.org
                >
                > PPEHRC – Poor People’s Economic Human Rights Campaign
                > kwru@...
                > www.economichumanrights.org
                > www.kwru.org
                >
                > Projeto K
                > Salvatore.cannavo@...
                > ilpanelerose@...
                >
                > Public Citizen
                > tgerson@...
                > www.citizen.org
                >
                > Red Latinoamericana Mulheres Transformando a Economia
                > mleon@...
                > remte@...
                > http://movimientos.org/remte
                >
                > Rede APM – Agricultures paysannes, sociétés et mondialisation
                > pvuarin@...
                > www.zooide.com/apm
                >
                > Rede CONSEU (Conferencia de Naciones sin Estado de Europa)
                > activitats@...
                >
                > Rede Dawn de Mulheres
                > dawn@...
                > www.dawn.org.fj
                >
                > Rede de Solidariedade Ásia Pacífico
                > intl@...
                >
                > Rede Latino-Americana e Caribenha de Mulheres Negras
                > criola@...
                > www.criola.ong.org
                >
                > Rede Mulher e Habitat
                > gem@...
                > http://www.redmujer.org.ar
                >
                > Rede Mundial de Mulheres pelos Direitos Reprodutivos
                > office@...
                > www.wgnrr.org
                >
                > Rede Palestina de ONGs
                > bisanrd@...
                > www.pngo.net
                >
                > Rede Social de Justiça e Direitos Humanos
                > rede@...
                > www.social.org.br
                >
                > Rede Transforme!
                > elgauthi@...
                >
                > Redes Socioeconomia Solidaria
                > creintjes@...
                > www.reasnet.com
                >
                > Rede de Educação Popular entre Mulheres (REPEM)
                > repem@...
                > www.repem.org.uy
                >
                > Réseau Ouest Africain des Alternatives pour le Developpement (ROAD)
                > jubilecad-mali@..., barryaminatou@...
                >
                > Southern Initiative on Globalisation and Trade Union Rights (SIGTUR)
                > rlambert@...
                >
                > Social Movement Indaba
                >
                > Social Watch
                > socwatch@...
                > www.socialwatch.org
                >
                > Social Development Network (SODNET)
                > sodnet@...
                > http://www.sodnet.or.ke
                >
                > Solidar
                > solidar@...
                > www.solidar.org
                >
                > Solidarity Africa Network in Action
                > njoki@...
                >
                > The International Federation Terre des Hommes (IFTDH)
                > info@...
                > www.terredeshommes.org
                >
                > Transnational Information Exchange (TIE)
                > tie@...
                > http://www.tie-brasil.org/tie.php
                >
                > Transnational Institute (TNI)
                > tni@...
                > www.tni.org
                >
                > Third World Network (TWN)
                > twn@...
                > www.twnside.org.sg
                >
                > UBUNTU - Foro Mundial de Redes de la Sociedad Civil
                > ubuntu@...
                > www.ubuntu.upc.es
                >
                > Union Internacional de Estudiantes
                > ius@...
                > www.ius-uie.org
                >
                > Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam Network
                > vk-finland@...
                > www.democracydialogues.org/
                > www.demokratiafoorumi.fi/wsf.html
                >
                > Via Campesina
                > viacam@...
                > http://ns.rds.org.hn/via/
                >
                > World Association of Community Radio Broadcasters (Amarc)
                > amarc@...
                > http://www.amarc.org
                >
                > World March of Women
                > www.ffq.qc.ca/marche2000/en/index.html
                > dmatte@...
                >
                > Zanzibar International Film Festival Of Dhow
                > Contato: Fatma ALLOO
                > falloo@...
                >
                > Znet
                > sysop@...
                > www.zmag.org
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > Observadores
                >
                >
                > Comitê Organizador do Fórum Mundial de Educação
                >
                > Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Africano
                > taoufik@...
                >
                > Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Américas
                > fsmcontinental@...
                > www.forosocialamericas.org
                >
                > Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Europeu
                > wsf@...
                > www.fse-esf.org
                >
                > Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Mediterrâneo
                > activitats@...
                > fsmedi@...
                >
                > Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social de Migrações
                >
                > Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Pan-Amazônico
                > cri-pmb@...
                > www.fspanamazonico.com.br
                >
                > Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Tematico: Democracia, Direitos
                > Humanos, Guerras e Narcotráfico
                > forosocialtematico@...
                > www.fsmt.org.co
                >
                > Funders Network on Trade & Globalization (FNTG)
                > mark@...
                > www.fntg.org
                >
                > Fórum Social São Paulo
                > http://forumsocialsp.org.br
                >
                >
                > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Gustavo Massiah <massiah@...>
                > wrote:
                > >
                > > Dear Wilhermina
                > >
                > > we are with you in solidarity
                > > and with all the workers of striking mine
                > >
                > > we are sure that social justice will be on the road of this fundamental
                > > struggle
                > >
                > > In solidarity
                > >
                > > gustave massiah
                > > representative of CRID at the IC of WSF
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > Le 21/08/2012 16:51, Wilhelmina Trout WMW a écrit :
                > >
                > > Dear Gina
                > > my sincerest apologies for not being present these past days in these
                > > discussions, after my last task of sending you my notes.  Thank you for
                > > taking over & carrying the load.
                > >
                > > I am sure you, with the rest of the world, witnessed the recent killings
                > of
                > > striking mine workers at the Lonmin Mine here in Marikane, it has shocked
                > > the world & here in South Africa we are trying to come to grips with the
                > > loss of lives and to make sense of this brutality.
                > >
                > > But for now I will follow the discussions & continue participating
                > actively
                > > in the group shortly.
                > >
                > > In solidarity
                > > wilhelmina
                > >
                > > On 20 August 2012 22:41, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote:
                > >>
                > >>  dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please respond as
                > >> soon as posible
                > >>
                > >> amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por favor
                > >> respondan pronto
                > >>
                > >>
                > >> Gina
                > >>
                > >>
                > >> 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...>
                > >>>
                > >>> (Inglès: ver abajo)
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo!
                > >>>
                > >>> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones
                > que
                > >>> suscita.
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas:
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>> -          El protocol
                > >>>
                > >>> -          El plan de trabajo
                > >>>
                > >>> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir.
                > El
                > >>> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro
                > grupo?
                > >>>
                > >>> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las responsabilidades?
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos,
                > seria
                > >>> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar.
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen
                > razon.
                > >>> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las
                > >>> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros
                > del CI
                > >>> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un
                > >>> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo …
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que
                > >>> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos?
                > >>>
                > >>> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario?
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar …
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>> Esperando las noticias.
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>> Francine
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done.
                > >>>
                > >>> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack
                > of
                > >>> reactions …
                > >>>
                > >>> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals:
                > >>>
                > >>> -          Protocol
                > >>>
                > >>> -          A working plan
                > >>>
                > >>> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the
                > >>> ‘rules of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect?
                > >>>
                > >>> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with
                > >>> responsibilities?
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different
                > >>> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have to
                > >>> avoid, I think.
                > >>>
                > >>> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are
                > >>> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all
                > messages
                > >>> go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also is a
                > need
                > >>> for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule be a
                > kind
                > >>> of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing …
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to
                > >>> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with
                > priority?
                > >>>
                > >>> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire?
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help …
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>> Waiting for more news,
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>> Francine
                > >>>
                > >>> Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...]
                > >>> Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01
                > >>> Aan: wg-about-future@...
                > >>> Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo.
                > >>> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar.
                > >>>
                > >>> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue
                > >>> working.  Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work.
                > >>>
                > >>> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have
                > >>> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that
                > know
                > >>> both can check?
                > >>>
                > >>> besos
                > >>> Gina
                > >>>
                > >>> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...>
                > >>>
                > >>> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
                > >>> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
                > >>>
                > >>> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list.
                > >>> This is a prove to see if it functions.
                > >>>
                > >>> Gina
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>>
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                • Re: Re: confirmando que funciona

                  from rita freire on Aug 22, 2012 02:57 PM
                  Jason
                  This list is not mine, it is the list open in the institutional
                  website, wich needs to be updated
                  Rita
                  
                  On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Jason Nardi <jason.nardi@...> wrote:
                  > Dear all,
                  >
                  > I've been following and read most of the messages up to now. I haven't had
                  > time to write my contribution yet (I just came back from my summer
                  > vacation).  But I'm happy to see that something is moving...
                  >
                  > I like Sara's approach and agree that we should have more frequent online
                  > meetings.
                  >
                  > Rita - the list you sent is old, in fact very old.  Is it possible to have
                  > an updated one?  In a short time?
                  >
                  > ciao from a very warm Italy
                  > Jason
                  >
                  > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:59 PM, rita freire <ritafreir@...> wrote:
                  >>
                  >> Agree
                  >>
                  >> Also the list of the IC  members/organizations in this group,
                  >> If it can help, bellow you find the list of members of the IC
                  >>
                  >> Rita
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> 50 Years is Enough!
                  >> 50years@...
                  >> www.50years.org
                  >>
                  >> Associação Brasileira de ONGs (ABONG)
                  >> abong@...
                  >> www.abong.org.br
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> Action Aid International (AAI)
                  >> mail.jhb@...
                  >> www.actionaid.org
                  >>
                  >> Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU)
                  >> mailbox@...
                  >> www.actu.asn.au
                  >>
                  >> American Federation of Labor-Congress of Industrial Organizations
                  >> (AFL-CIO)
                  >> feedback@...
                  >> www.aflcio.org/home.htm
                  >>
                  >> Africa Trade Network
                  >> aidc@...
                  >> http://africatradenetwork.com
                  >>
                  >> Alternative Information on Development Center (AIDC)
                  >> aidc@...
                  >> http://aidc.org.za
                  >>
                  >> Agencia Latinoamericana de Información (AIDC)
                  >> info@...
                  >> www.alainet.org
                  >>
                  >> Associação Latino Americana de Pequenos e Médios Empresários (ALAMPYME)
                  >> apyme@...
                  >> www.apyme.com.ar
                  >>
                  >> Aliança Por Um Mundo Responsável e Solidário
                  >> lille@...
                  >> www.alliance21.org
                  >>
                  >> All Arab Peasants & Agricultural Co-operatives Union
                  >> F76arab@...
                  >>
                  >> Associação Latino Americana de Organismos de Promoção (ALOP)
                  >> info@...
                  >> www.alop.or.cr
                  >>
                  >> Alternatives Information Center
                  >> yahni@...
                  >> www.alternativenews.org
                  >>
                  >> Alternatives
                  >> alternatives@...< /a>
                  >> www.alternatives.ca
                  >>
                  >> Alternative International
                  >> www.alternatives.ca
                  >>
                  >> Alternatives Rússia
                  >> dhrr@...
                  >>
                  >> Amigos da Terra/Friends of the Earth
                  >> foe@...
                  >> www.foei.org
                  >>
                  >> APRODEV
                  >> aprodev@...
                  >> www.aprodev.net
                  >>
                  >> Arab NGO Network for Development
                  >> annd@...
                  >> www.annd.org
                  >>
                  >> Asian Regional Exchange for New Alternatives (ARENA)
                  >> arena@...
                  >> www.asianexchange.org
                  >>
                  >> Articulación Feminista Marco Sur
                  >> mujeresdelsur@...
                  >> www.mujeresdelsur.org.uy
                  >>
                  >> Aliança Social Continental (ASC)
                  >> sri_cut@...
                  >> www.ascahsa.org
                  >>
                  >> Asemblea de los Pueblos del Caribe (APC)
                  >> habitatcarib@..., pedroarg@...
                  >> http://movimientos.org/caribe/
                  >>
                  >> Assemblée Europeenne dês Citoyens
                  >> cedetim@...
                  >> www.cedetim.org/AEC
                  >>
                  >> Assembléia das Nações Unidas dos Povos
                  >> flavio@...
                  >>
                  >> Associação para o Progresso das Comunicações
                  >> anriette@...
                  >> www.apc.org
                  >>
                  >> ATTAC- Brasil
                  >> attacsaopaulo@...
                  >> www.attac.org/brasil
                  >>
                  >> ATTAC France
                  >> attac@...
                  >> http://attac.org
                  >>
                  >> Babels
                  >> wsfsm@...
                  >>
                  >> Bankwatch Network
                  >> jozseff@...
                  >> www.bankwatch.org
                  >>
                  >> Comité pour l’Annulation de la Dette du Tiers Monde (CADTM)
                  >> cadtm@...
                  >> http://users.skynet.be/cadtm
                  >>
                  >> Canadian Council
                  >> Jdunn@...
                  >>
                  >> Coordinación Andina de Organizaciones Indigenas (CAOI)
                  >> coordinadorandinacaoi@...
                  >> www.minkandina.org
                  >>
                  >> Caritas Internacionalis
                  >> caritas.internationalis@...
                  >> www.caritas.org
                  >>
                  >> Comissão Brasileira de Justiça e Paz (CBJP )
                  >> intercom@...
                  >> www.cbjp.org.br
                  >>
                  >> Consejo de Educación de Adultos de América Latina (CEAAL)
                  >> ceaal@...
                  >> www.ceaal.org
                  >>
                  >> CEDAR Internacional
                  >> cedar@...
                  >> www.cedarinternational.net
                  >>
                  >> Centre dEtudes et d Initiatives de Solidarité Internationale (CEDETIM)
                  >> cedetim@...
                  >> www.cedetim.org
                  >>
                  >> Central de Trabajadores Argentinos
                  >> cta@...
                  >> www.cta.org.ar
                  >>
                  >> European Trade Union Confederation (CES)
                  >> etuc@...
                  >> www.etuc.org
                  >>
                  >> CETRI
                  >> cetri@...
                  >> www.cetri.be
                  >>
                  >> CIDSE
                  >> postmaster@...
                  >> www.cidse.org
                  >>
                  >> Confederação Internacional de Organizações Sindicais Livres (CIOSL)
                  >> internetpo@...
                  >> www.cioslorit.org
                  >>
                  >> Ciranda Internacional da Comunicação Compatilhada
                  >> ciranda@...
                  >> www.ciranda.net
                  >>
                  >> CIVES
                  >> cives@...
                  >> www.cives.org.br
                  >>
                  >> Conselho Latino Americano de Ciências Sociais (CLACSO)
                  >> clacsofsm@...
                  >> www.clacso.org
                  >>
                  >> Canadian Labour Congress (CLC)
                  >> sbenedict@...
                  >> www.clc-ctc.ca
                  >>
                  >> Confederação Mundial do Trabalho (CMT)
                  >> info@...
                  >> www.cmt-wcl.org
                  >>
                  >> Coalición Internacional para el Hábitat
                  >> hic-al@...
                  >> http://www.hic-net.org/
                  >>
                  >> Coligação para a Justiça Econômica
                  >> viriatot@...
                  >>
                  >> Convergência de los Movimientos de los Pueblos de las Américas (COMPA)
                  >> colectivoredom_@...
                  >> rgf@...
                  >> http://www.sitiocompa.org/compa/index.php
                  >>
                  >> CONAIE
                  >> info@...
                  >> http://conaie.org
                  >>
                  >> Congresso Nacional Indígena do México
                  >> ceatl@...
                  >>
                  >> Conselho Mundial de Igrejas
                  >> info@...
                  >> www.wcc-coe.org
                  >>
                  >> Coordenación del Foro “El Otro Davos”
                  >> Page2@...
                  >>
                  >> Coordenadora de Centrais Sindicais do Cone Sul
                  >> eduardof@...
                  >> http://www.sindicatomercosul.com.br/
                  >>
                  >> Corpwatch
                  >> corpwatch@...
                  >> www.corpwatch.org
                  >>
                  >> Congress of South African Trade Unions (COSATU)
                  >> cosatu@...
                  >> www.cosatu.org.za
                  >>
                  >> Centre de Recherche et d´Information pour le Développment (CRID)
                  >> info@...
                  >> www.crid.asso.fr
                  >>
                  >> Confederación Sindical Internacional (CSI)
                  >> claire.courteille@...
                  >> http://www.ituc-csi.org
                  >>
                  >> Central Única dos Trabalhadores (CUT)
                  >> sri-cut@...
                  >> www.cut.org.br
                  >>
                  >> E-joussour
                  >> www.e-joussour.net
                  >>
                  >> Encuentros Hemisféricos contra el ALCA
                  >> joel@...
                  >>
                  >> ENDA
                  >> taoufik@...
                  >> www.enda.sn
                  >>
                  >> Euralat
                  >> Criera@...
                  >>
                  >> Euromarches
                  >> euromarches@...
                  >> www.euromarches.org
                  >>
                  >> FAMES
                  >> rabia@...
                  >>
                  >> Frente Continental de Organizações Comunitárias (FECOC)
                  >> mlongoria@...
                  >>
                  >> Federación Mundial de Juventudes Democráticas
                  >> wfdy@...
                  >> www.wfdy.org
                  >>
                  >> Féderation démocratique internationale des femmes (FDIF)
                  >> fdif@...
                  >> www.fdif.eu.org
                  >>
                  >> Fundación per la Pau/International Peace Bureau (IPB)
                  >> mailbox@...
                  >> www.ipb.org
                  >>
                  >> Food First International Action Network (FIAN)
                  >> fian@...
                  >> www.fian.org
                  >>
                  >> Federeação Internacional Direitos Humanos (FIDH)
                  >> rsanchez@...
                  >> www.fidh.org
                  >>
                  >> Freedom Legality And Rights in Europe (FLARE)
                  >> info@...
                  >> www.flarenetwork.org
                  >>
                  >> Focus on the Global South
                  >> admin@...
                  >> http://focusweb.org
                  >>
                  >> Fondation Frantz Fanon
                  >> http://frantzfanonfoundation-fondationfrantzfanon.com/
                  >>
                  >> Forum des Organisations de Solidarité Internationale issues des
                  >> Migrations (FORIM)
                  >> forim@...
                  >> forim@...
                  >>
                  >> Fórum Dakar
                  >> Residel.kaolack@...
                  >>
                  >> Forum Mondial des Alternatives
                  >> ftm@...
                  >> www.alternatives-action.org/fma
                  >>
                  >> Forum of the Poors
                  >> fopthai@...
                  >>
                  >> Fórum Social Italiano
                  >> vagnoleto@...
                  >>
                  >> Foundation for Socio-Economic Justice (FSEJ)
                  >> fsej@...
                  >>
                  >> General Union of Oil Employees in Southern Iraq
                  >> Contact: Farouk M. Sadiq Ismaa'l
                  >> 101small@...
                  >>
                  >> GLBT South-South Dialogue
                  >> dialogo@...
                  >>
                  >> Global Commons Foundation
                  >> www.www.globalcommonsfoundation.org
                  >>
                  >> Global Exchange
                  >> admin@...
                  >> www.globalexchange.org
                  >>
                  >> Global Policy Network
                  >> gpn-listowner@...
                  >> www.globalpolicynetwork.org
                  >>
                  >> Global Progressive Fórum
                  >> info@...
                  >> www.globalprogressiveforum.org
                  >>
                  >> Grassroots Global Justice
                  >> ggj@...
                  >> www.ggjalliance.org
                  >>
                  >> Greenpeace
                  >> greenpeace.brazil@...
                  >> http://www.greenpeace.org/
                  >>
                  >> Grito dos Excluídos
                  >> gritoexcluidos@...
                  >> www.movimientos.org
                  >>
                  >> Grupo de Trabalho Amazônico
                  >> www. gta.org.br
                  >>
                  >> Habitat Internation Coalition
                  >> maite.martinez-pardo@...
                  >> www.habitat-international-coalition.org
                  >>
                  >> Helsinki Citizens Assembly
                  >>
                  >> Herriak Aske
                  >> international@...
                  >>
                  >> Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy (IATP)
                  >> khoff@...
                  >> www.iatp.org
                  >>
                  >> IBASE
                  >> ibase@...
                  >> www.ibase.br
                  >>
                  >> Conselho Internacional de Educação de Adultos (ICAE)
                  >> icae@...
                  >> http://www.icae.org.uy/spa/sindex.html
                  >>
                  >> International Federationof Alternative Trade (IFAT)
                  >> info@...
                  >> www.ifat.org
                  >>
                  >> International Forum on Globalization (IFG)
                  >> ifg@...
                  >> www.ifg.org
                  >>
                  >> International Alliance of Habitants
                  >> info@...
                  >> www.habitants.org
                  >>
                  >> International drama and education association (IDEA)
                  >> www.idea-org.net
                  >>
                  >> International Gender and Trade Network
                  >> secretariat@...
                  >> www.igtn.org
                  >>
                  >> International Network of Street Papers (INSP)
                  >> l.maclean@...
                  >> irn@...
                  >> www.irn.org
                  >>
                  >> International Sport and Culture Association (ISCA)
                  >> info@...
                  >> www.isca-web.org
                  >>
                  >> Instituto Paulo Freire
                  >> ipf@...
                  >> www.paulofreire.org
                  >>
                  >> Institut Panos Afrique de l’Ouest (IPAO)
                  >> info@...
                  >> www.panos-ao.org
                  >>
                  >> Inter Press Service (IPS)
                  >> kosi@...
                  >> www.ips.org
                  >>
                  >> Union of Arab Community Based Organisations(Ittijah)
                  >> ittijah@...
                  >> www.ittijah.org
                  >>
                  >> Jubilee South – Asia
                  >> vinod.raina@...
                  >> www.jubileesouth.org
                  >>
                  >> Jubileo South – África
                  >> aidc@...
                  >> www.jubileesouth.org
                  >>
                  >> Jubileu 2000
                  >> kitazawa@...
                  >>
                  >> Jubileu Sul América Latina
                  >> keeneba@...
                  >> www.jubileusul.hpg.com.br
                  >>
                  >> KCTU - Korean Confederation of Trade Unions
                  >> inter@...
                  >> www.kctu.org
                  >>
                  >> Kenya Debt Network
                  >> sodnet@...
                  >>
                  >> KOPA
                  >> kopa@...
                  >> http://antiwto.jinbo.net/eroom/index.html
                  >>
                  >> Kurdish Network
                  >> kurdishnetwork@...
                  >>
                  >> Land Research Action Network
                  >> wellington@...
                  >>
                  >> May First/People Link
                  >> info@...
                  >> www.mayfirst.org
                  >>
                  >> Movimento dos Trabalhadores Sem Terra (MST)
                  >> srimst@...
                  >> www.mst.org.br
                  >>
                  >> Narmada
                  >> subbu@...
                  >> www.narmada.org
                  >>
                  >> National Network of Autonomous Women’s Groups
                  >> shahnandita@...
                  >>
                  >> Network Institute for Global Democratization (NIGD)
                  >> katarina@...
                  >> www.nigd.org
                  >>
                  >> No Vox International
                  >> no-vox@...
                  >> www.no-vox.org
                  >>
                  >> North-South Centre
                  >> Fifi.BENABOUD@...
                  >> www.coe.int/T/E/North-South_Centre
                  >>
                  >> Continental Organization of Latin America and Caribbean Students (OCLAE)
                  >> oclae@...
                  >> www.oclae.org
                  >>
                  >> Organization of African Trade Unions Unity
                  >> oatuu@...
                  >>
                  >> Organização Regional Interamericana de Trabalhadores (ORIT)
                  >> info@...
                  >> www.orit-ciosl.org
                  >>
                  >> Organization de la Jeunesse Africaine
                  >> http://www.ojafrique.org/
                  >>
                  >> OXFAM Internacional
                  >> information@...
                  >> www.oxfam.org
                  >>
                  >> Palestinian grassroots Anti-Apartheid Wall Campaign
                  >> mobilize@...
                  >> www.stopthewall.org
                  >>
                  >> Peace Boat
                  >> y-nami@...
                  >> www.peaceboat.org
                  >>
                  >> Peoples Health Movement
                  >> secretariat@...
                  >> http://www.phmovement.org
                  >>
                  >> Plataforma Interamericana de Derechos Humanos, Democracia y Desarrollo
                  >> regional@...
                  >> www.pidhdd.org
                  >>
                  >> PPEHRC – Poor People’s Economic Human Rights Campaign
                  >> kwru@...
                  >> www.economichumanrights.org
                  >> www.kwru.org
                  >>
                  >> Projeto K
                  >> Salvatore.cannavo@...
                  >> ilpanelerose@...
                  >>
                  >> Public Citizen
                  >> tgerson@...
                  >> www.citizen.org
                  >>
                  >> Red Latinoamericana Mulheres Transformando a Economia
                  >> mleon@...
                  >> remte@...
                  >> http://movimientos.org/remte
                  >>
                  >> Rede APM – Agricultures paysannes, sociétés et mondialisation
                  >> pvuarin@...
                  >> www.zooide.com/apm
                  >>
                  >> Rede CONSEU (Conferencia de Naciones sin Estado de Europa)
                  >> activitats@...
                  >>
                  >> Rede Dawn de Mulheres
                  >> dawn@...
                  >> www.dawn.org.fj
                  >>
                  >> Rede de Solidariedade Ásia Pacífico
                  >> intl@...
                  >>
                  >> Rede Latino-Americana e Caribenha de Mulheres Negras
                  >> criola@...
                  >> www.criola.ong.org
                  >>
                  >> Rede Mulher e Habitat
                  >> gem@...
                  >> http://www.redmujer.org.ar
                  >>
                  >> Rede Mundial de Mulheres pelos Direitos Reprodutivos
                  >> office@...
                  >> www.wgnrr.org
                  >>
                  >> Rede Palestina de ONGs
                  >> bisanrd@...
                  >> www.pngo.net
                  >>
                  >> Rede Social de Justiça e Direitos Humanos
                  >> rede@...
                  >> www.social.org.br
                  >>
                  >> Rede Transforme!
                  >> elgauthi@...
                  >>
                  >> Redes Socioeconomia Solidaria
                  >> creintjes@...
                  >> www.reasnet.com
                  >>
                  >> Rede de Educação Popular entre Mulheres (REPEM)
                  >> repem@...
                  >> www.repem.org.uy
                  >>
                  >> Réseau Ouest Africain des Alternatives pour le Developpement (ROAD)
                  >> jubilecad-mali@..., barryaminatou@...
                  >>
                  >> Southern Initiative on Globalisation and Trade Union Rights (SIGTUR)
                  >> rlambert@...
                  >>
                  >> Social Movement Indaba
                  >>
                  >> Social Watch
                  >> socwatch@...
                  >> www.socialwatch.org
                  >>
                  >> Social Development Network (SODNET)
                  >> sodnet@...
                  >> http://www.sodnet.or.ke
                  >>
                  >> Solidar
                  >> solidar@...
                  >> www.solidar.org
                  >>
                  >> Solidarity Africa Network in Action
                  >> njoki@...
                  >>
                  >> The International Federation Terre des Hommes (IFTDH)
                  >> info@...
                  >> www.terredeshommes.org
                  >>
                  >> Transnational Information Exchange (TIE)
                  >> tie@...
                  >> http://www.tie-brasil.org/tie.php
                  >>
                  >> Transnational Institute (TNI)
                  >> tni@...
                  >> www.tni.org
                  >>
                  >> Third World Network (TWN)
                  >> twn@...
                  >> www.twnside.org.sg
                  >>
                  >> UBUNTU - Foro Mundial de Redes de la Sociedad Civil
                  >> ubuntu@...
                  >> www.ubuntu.upc.es
                  >>
                  >> Union Internacional de Estudiantes
                  >> ius@...
                  >> www.ius-uie.org
                  >>
                  >> Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam Network
                  >> vk-finland@...
                  >> www.democracydialogues.org/
                  >> www.demokratiafoorumi.fi/wsf.html
                  >>
                  >> Via Campesina
                  >> viacam@...
                  >> http://ns.rds.org.hn/via/
                  >>
                  >> World Association of Community Radio Broadcasters (Amarc)
                  >> amarc@...
                  >> http://www.amarc.org
                  >>
                  >> World March of Women
                  >> www.ffq.qc.ca/marche2000/en/index.html
                  >> dmatte@...
                  >>
                  >> Zanzibar International Film Festival Of Dhow
                  >> Contato: Fatma ALLOO
                  >> falloo@...
                  >>
                  >> Znet
                  >> sysop@...
                  >> www.zmag.org
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> Observadores
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Mundial de Educação
                  >>
                  >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Africano
                  >> taoufik@...
                  >>
                  >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Américas
                  >> fsmcontinental@...
                  >> www.forosocialamericas.org
                  >>
                  >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Europeu
                  >> wsf@...
                  >> www.fse-esf.org
                  >>
                  >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Mediterrâneo
                  >> activitats@...
                  >> fsmedi@...
                  >>
                  >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social de Migrações
                  >>
                  >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Pan-Amazônico
                  >> cri-pmb@...
                  >> www.fspanamazonico.com.br
                  >>
                  >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Tematico: Democracia, Direitos
                  >> Humanos, Guerras e Narcotráfico
                  >> forosocialtematico@...
                  >> www.fsmt.org.co
                  >>
                  >> Funders Network on Trade & Globalization (FNTG)
                  >> mark@...
                  >> www.fntg.org
                  >>
                  >> Fórum Social São Paulo
                  >> http://forumsocialsp.org.br
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Gustavo Massiah <massiah@...>
                  >> wrote:
                  >> >
                  >> > Dear Wilhermina
                  >> >
                  >> > we are with you in solidarity
                  >> > and with all the workers of striking mine
                  >> >
                  >> > we are sure that social justice will be on the road of this fundamental
                  >> > struggle
                  >> >
                  >> > In solidarity
                  >> >
                  >> > gustave massiah
                  >> > representative of CRID at the IC of WSF
                  >> >
                  >> >
                  >> >
                  >> >
                  >> >
                  >> >
                  >> > Le 21/08/2012 16:51, Wilhelmina Trout WMW a écrit :
                  >> >
                  >> > Dear Gina
                  >> > my sincerest apologies for not being present these past days in these
                  >> > discussions, after my last task of sending you my notes.  Thank you for
                  >> > taking over & carrying the load.
                  >> >
                  >> > I am sure you, with the rest of the world, witnessed the recent killings
                  >> > of
                  >> > striking mine workers at the Lonmin Mine here in Marikane, it has
                  >> > shocked
                  >> > the world & here in South Africa we are trying to come to grips with the
                  >> > loss of lives and to make sense of this brutality.
                  >> >
                  >> > But for now I will follow the discussions & continue participating
                  >> > actively
                  >> > in the group shortly.
                  >> >
                  >> > In solidarity
                  >> > wilhelmina
                  >> >
                  >> > On 20 August 2012 22:41, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote:
                  >> >>
                  >> >>  dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please respond as
                  >> >> soon as posible
                  >> >>
                  >> >> amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por favor
                  >> >> respondan pronto
                  >> >>
                  >> >>
                  >> >> Gina
                  >> >>
                  >> >>
                  >> >> 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> (Inglès: ver abajo)
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo!
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones
                  >> >>> que
                  >> >>> suscita.
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas:
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> -          El protocol
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> -          El plan de trabajo
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir.
                  >> >>> El
                  >> >>> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro
                  >> >>> grupo?
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las
                  >> >>> responsabilidades?
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos,
                  >> >>> seria
                  >> >>> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar.
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen
                  >> >>> razon.
                  >> >>> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las
                  >> >>> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros
                  >> >>> del CI
                  >> >>> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un
                  >> >>> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo …
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que
                  >> >>> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos?
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario?
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar …
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> Esperando las noticias.
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> Francine
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done.
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack
                  >> >>> of
                  >> >>> reactions …
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals:
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> -          Protocol
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> -          A working plan
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the
                  >> >>> ‘rules of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect?
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with
                  >> >>> responsibilities?
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different
                  >> >>> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have
                  >> >>> to
                  >> >>> avoid, I think.
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are
                  >> >>> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all
                  >> >>> messages
                  >> >>> go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also is a
                  >> >>> need
                  >> >>> for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule be a
                  >> >>> kind
                  >> >>> of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing …
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to
                  >> >>> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with
                  >> >>> priority?
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire?
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help …
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> Waiting for more news,
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> Francine
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...]
                  >> >>> Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01
                  >> >>> Aan: wg-about-future@...
                  >> >>> Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo.
                  >> >>> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar.
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue
                  >> >>> working.  Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work.
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have
                  >> >>> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that
                  >> >>> know
                  >> >>> both can check?
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> besos
                  >> >>> Gina
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
                  >> >>> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list.
                  >> >>> This is a prove to see if it functions.
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>> Gina
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
                  >> >>>
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                  • Re: Re: confirmando que funciona

                    from jnardi on Aug 22, 2012 08:35 PM
                    Hi Rita,
                    
                    I know... that's why also the institutional website badly needs to be
                    updated altogether and we are waiting for some signal of life from Helio...
                     since we already have discussed for a long time in the communication
                    commission - as you know - to have a new portal website, collecting
                    together all the functions and information needed for a modern
                    communication.  But apparently we cannot proceed unless "the office" says
                    ok...
                    Which brings up the issue of who is responsible for what and who takes
                    decisions of this sort (I have raised this countless times in the IC).
                    
                    But I don't want to be polemic here ;-)
                    
                    ciao
                    Jason
                    
                    On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:57 PM, rita freire <ritafreir@...> wrote:
                    
                    > Jason
                    > This list is not mine, it is the list open in the institutional
                    > website, wich needs to be updated
                    > Rita
                    >
                    > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Jason Nardi <jason.nardi@...>
                    > wrote:
                    > > Dear all,
                    > >
                    > > I've been following and read most of the messages up to now. I haven't
                    > had
                    > > time to write my contribution yet (I just came back from my summer
                    > > vacation).  But I'm happy to see that something is moving...
                    > >
                    > > I like Sara's approach and agree that we should have more frequent online
                    > > meetings.
                    > >
                    > > Rita - the list you sent is old, in fact very old.  Is it possible to
                    > have
                    > > an updated one?  In a short time?
                    > >
                    > > ciao from a very warm Italy
                    > > Jason
                    > >
                    > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:59 PM, rita freire <ritafreir@...>
                    > wrote:
                    > >>
                    > >> Agree
                    > >>
                    > >> Also the list of the IC  members/organizations in this group,
                    > >> If it can help, bellow you find the list of members of the IC
                    > >>
                    > >> Rita
                    > >>
                    > >>
                    > >> 50 Years is Enough!
                    > >> 50years@...
                    > >> www.50years.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Associação Brasileira de ONGs (ABONG)
                    > >> abong@...
                    > >> www.abong.org.br
                    > >>
                    > >>
                    > >> Action Aid International (AAI)
                    > >> mail.jhb@...
                    > >> www.actionaid.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU)
                    > >> mailbox@...
                    > >> www.actu.asn.au
                    > >>
                    > >> American Federation of Labor-Congress of Industrial Organizations
                    > >> (AFL-CIO)
                    > >> feedback@...
                    > >> www.aflcio.org/home.htm
                    > >>
                    > >> Africa Trade Network
                    > >> aidc@...
                    > >> http://africatradenetwork.com
                    > >>
                    > >> Alternative Information on Development Center (AIDC)
                    > >> aidc@...
                    > >> http://aidc.org.za
                    > >>
                    > >> Agencia Latinoamericana de Información (AIDC)
                    > >> info@...
                    > >> www.alainet.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Associação Latino Americana de Pequenos e Médios Empresários (ALAMPYME)
                    > >> apyme@...
                    > >> www.apyme.com.ar
                    > >>
                    > >> Aliança Por Um Mundo Responsável e Solidário
                    > >> lille@...
                    > >> www.alliance21.org
                    > >>
                    > >> All Arab Peasants & Agricultural Co-operatives Union
                    > >> F76arab@...
                    > >>
                    > >> Associação Latino Americana de Organismos de Promoção (ALOP)
                    > >> info@...
                    > >> www.alop.or.cr
                    > >>
                    > >> Alternatives Information Center
                    > >> yahni@...
                    > >> www.alternativenews.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Alternatives
                    > >> alternatives@...< /a>
                    > >> www.alternatives.ca
                    > >>
                    > >> Alternative International
                    > >> www.alternatives.ca
                    > >>
                    > >> Alternatives Rússia
                    > >> dhrr@...
                    > >>
                    > >> Amigos da Terra/Friends of the Earth
                    > >> foe@...
                    > >> www.foei.org
                    > >>
                    > >> APRODEV
                    > >> aprodev@...
                    > >> www.aprodev.net
                    > >>
                    > >> Arab NGO Network for Development
                    > >> annd@...
                    > >> www.annd.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Asian Regional Exchange for New Alternatives (ARENA)
                    > >> arena@...
                    > >> www.asianexchange.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Articulación Feminista Marco Sur
                    > >> mujeresdelsur@...
                    > >> www.mujeresdelsur.org.uy
                    > >>
                    > >> Aliança Social Continental (ASC)
                    > >> sri_cut@...
                    > >> www.ascahsa.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Asemblea de los Pueblos del Caribe (APC)
                    > >> habitatcarib@..., pedroarg@...
                    > >> http://movimientos.org/caribe/
                    > >>
                    > >> Assemblée Europeenne dês Citoyens
                    > >> cedetim@...
                    > >> www.cedetim.org/AEC
                    > >>
                    > >> Assembléia das Nações Unidas dos Povos
                    > >> flavio@...
                    > >>
                    > >> Associação para o Progresso das Comunicações
                    > >> anriette@...
                    > >> www.apc.org
                    > >>
                    > >> ATTAC- Brasil
                    > >> attacsaopaulo@...
                    > >> www.attac.org/brasil
                    > >>
                    > >> ATTAC France
                    > >> attac@...
                    > >> http://attac.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Babels
                    > >> wsfsm@...
                    > >>
                    > >> Bankwatch Network
                    > >> jozseff@...
                    > >> www.bankwatch.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Comité pour l’Annulation de la Dette du Tiers Monde (CADTM)
                    > >> cadtm@...
                    > >> http://users.skynet.be/cadtm
                    > >>
                    > >> Canadian Council
                    > >> Jdunn@...
                    > >>
                    > >> Coordinación Andina de Organizaciones Indigenas (CAOI)
                    > >> coordinadorandinacaoi@...
                    > >> www.minkandina.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Caritas Internacionalis
                    > >> caritas.internationalis@...
                    > >> www.caritas.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Comissão Brasileira de Justiça e Paz (CBJP )
                    > >> intercom@...
                    > >> www.cbjp.org.br
                    > >>
                    > >> Consejo de Educación de Adultos de América Latina (CEAAL)
                    > >> ceaal@...
                    > >> www.ceaal.org
                    > >>
                    > >> CEDAR Internacional
                    > >> cedar@...
                    > >> www.cedarinternational.net
                    > >>
                    > >> Centre dEtudes et d Initiatives de Solidarité Internationale (CEDETIM)
                    > >> cedetim@...
                    > >> www.cedetim.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Central de Trabajadores Argentinos
                    > >> cta@...
                    > >> www.cta.org.ar
                    > >>
                    > >> European Trade Union Confederation (CES)
                    > >> etuc@...
                    > >> www.etuc.org
                    > >>
                    > >> CETRI
                    > >> cetri@...
                    > >> www.cetri.be
                    > >>
                    > >> CIDSE
                    > >> postmaster@...
                    > >> www.cidse.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Confederação Internacional de Organizações Sindicais Livres (CIOSL)
                    > >> internetpo@...
                    > >> www.cioslorit.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Ciranda Internacional da Comunicação Compatilhada
                    > >> ciranda@...
                    > >> www.ciranda.net
                    > >>
                    > >> CIVES
                    > >> cives@...
                    > >> www.cives.org.br
                    > >>
                    > >> Conselho Latino Americano de Ciências Sociais (CLACSO)
                    > >> clacsofsm@...
                    > >> www.clacso.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Canadian Labour Congress (CLC)
                    > >> sbenedict@...
                    > >> www.clc-ctc.ca
                    > >>
                    > >> Confederação Mundial do Trabalho (CMT)
                    > >> info@...
                    > >> www.cmt-wcl.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Coalición Internacional para el Hábitat
                    > >> hic-al@...
                    > >> http://www.hic-net.org/
                    > >>
                    > >> Coligação para a Justiça Econômica
                    > >> viriatot@...
                    > >>
                    > >> Convergência de los Movimientos de los Pueblos de las Américas (COMPA)
                    > >> colectivoredom_@...
                    > >> rgf@...
                    > >> http://www.sitiocompa.org/compa/index.php
                    > >>
                    > >> CONAIE
                    > >> info@...
                    > >> http://conaie.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Congresso Nacional Indígena do México
                    > >> ceatl@...
                    > >>
                    > >> Conselho Mundial de Igrejas
                    > >> info@...
                    > >> www.wcc-coe.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Coordenación del Foro “El Otro Davos”
                    > >> Page2@...
                    > >>
                    > >> Coordenadora de Centrais Sindicais do Cone Sul
                    > >> eduardof@...
                    > >> http://www.sindicatomercosul.com.br/
                    > >>
                    > >> Corpwatch
                    > >> corpwatch@...
                    > >> www.corpwatch.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Congress of South African Trade Unions (COSATU)
                    > >> cosatu@...
                    > >> www.cosatu.org.za
                    > >>
                    > >> Centre de Recherche et d´Information pour le Développment (CRID)
                    > >> info@...
                    > >> www.crid.asso.fr
                    > >>
                    > >> Confederación Sindical Internacional (CSI)
                    > >> claire.courteille@...
                    > >> http://www.ituc-csi.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Central Única dos Trabalhadores (CUT)
                    > >> sri-cut@...
                    > >> www.cut.org.br
                    > >>
                    > >> E-joussour
                    > >> www.e-joussour.net
                    > >>
                    > >> Encuentros Hemisféricos contra el ALCA
                    > >> joel@...
                    > >>
                    > >> ENDA
                    > >> taoufik@...
                    > >> www.enda.sn
                    > >>
                    > >> Euralat
                    > >> Criera@...
                    > >>
                    > >> Euromarches
                    > >> euromarches@...
                    > >> www.euromarches.org
                    > >>
                    > >> FAMES
                    > >> rabia@...
                    > >>
                    > >> Frente Continental de Organizações Comunitárias (FECOC)
                    > >> mlongoria@...
                    > >>
                    > >> Federación Mundial de Juventudes Democráticas
                    > >> wfdy@...
                    > >> www.wfdy.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Féderation démocratique internationale des femmes (FDIF)
                    > >> fdif@...
                    > >> www.fdif.eu.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Fundación per la Pau/International Peace Bureau (IPB)
                    > >> mailbox@...
                    > >> www.ipb.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Food First International Action Network (FIAN)
                    > >> fian@...
                    > >> www.fian.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Federeação Internacional Direitos Humanos (FIDH)
                    > >> rsanchez@...
                    > >> www.fidh.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Freedom Legality And Rights in Europe (FLARE)
                    > >> info@...
                    > >> www.flarenetwork.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Focus on the Global South
                    > >> admin@...
                    > >> http://focusweb.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Fondation Frantz Fanon
                    > >> http://frantzfanonfoundation-fondationfrantzfanon.com/
                    > >>
                    > >> Forum des Organisations de Solidarité Internationale issues des
                    > >> Migrations (FORIM)
                    > >> forim@...
                    > >> forim@...
                    > >>
                    > >> Fórum Dakar
                    > >> Residel.kaolack@...
                    > >>
                    > >> Forum Mondial des Alternatives
                    > >> ftm@...
                    > >> www.alternatives-action.org/fma
                    > >>
                    > >> Forum of the Poors
                    > >> fopthai@...
                    > >>
                    > >> Fórum Social Italiano
                    > >> vagnoleto@...
                    > >>
                    > >> Foundation for Socio-Economic Justice (FSEJ)
                    > >> fsej@...
                    > >>
                    > >> General Union of Oil Employees in Southern Iraq
                    > >> Contact: Farouk M. Sadiq Ismaa'l
                    > >> 101small@...
                    > >>
                    > >> GLBT South-South Dialogue
                    > >> dialogo@...
                    > >>
                    > >> Global Commons Foundation
                    > >> www.www.globalcommonsfoundation.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Global Exchange
                    > >> admin@...
                    > >> www.globalexchange.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Global Policy Network
                    > >> gpn-listowner@...
                    > >> www.globalpolicynetwork.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Global Progressive Fórum
                    > >> info@...
                    > >> www.globalprogressiveforum.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Grassroots Global Justice
                    > >> ggj@...
                    > >> www.ggjalliance.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Greenpeace
                    > >> greenpeace.brazil@...
                    > >> http://www.greenpeace.org/
                    > >>
                    > >> Grito dos Excluídos
                    > >> gritoexcluidos@...
                    > >> www.movimientos.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Grupo de Trabalho Amazônico
                    > >> www. gta.org.br
                    > >>
                    > >> Habitat Internation Coalition
                    > >> maite.martinez-pardo@...
                    > >> www.habitat-international-coalition.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Helsinki Citizens Assembly
                    > >>
                    > >> Herriak Aske
                    > >> international@...
                    > >>
                    > >> Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy (IATP)
                    > >> khoff@...
                    > >> www.iatp.org
                    > >>
                    > >> IBASE
                    > >> ibase@...
                    > >> www.ibase.br
                    > >>
                    > >> Conselho Internacional de Educação de Adultos (ICAE)
                    > >> icae@...
                    > >> http://www.icae.org.uy/spa/sindex.html
                    > >>
                    > >> International Federationof Alternative Trade (IFAT)
                    > >> info@...
                    > >> www.ifat.org
                    > >>
                    > >> International Forum on Globalization (IFG)
                    > >> ifg@...
                    > >> www.ifg.org
                    > >>
                    > >> International Alliance of Habitants
                    > >> info@...
                    > >> www.habitants.org
                    > >>
                    > >> International drama and education association (IDEA)
                    > >> www.idea-org.net
                    > >>
                    > >> International Gender and Trade Network
                    > >> secretariat@...
                    > >> www.igtn.org
                    > >>
                    > >> International Network of Street Papers (INSP)
                    > >> l.maclean@...
                    > >> irn@...
                    > >> www.irn.org
                    > >>
                    > >> International Sport and Culture Association (ISCA)
                    > >> info@...
                    > >> www.isca-web.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Instituto Paulo Freire
                    > >> ipf@...
                    > >> www.paulofreire.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Institut Panos Afrique de l’Ouest (IPAO)
                    > >> info@...
                    > >> www.panos-ao.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Inter Press Service (IPS)
                    > >> kosi@...
                    > >> www.ips.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Union of Arab Community Based Organisations(Ittijah)
                    > >> ittijah@...
                    > >> www.ittijah.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Jubilee South – Asia
                    > >> vinod.raina@...
                    > >> www.jubileesouth.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Jubileo South – África
                    > >> aidc@...
                    > >> www.jubileesouth.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Jubileu 2000
                    > >> kitazawa@...
                    > >>
                    > >> Jubileu Sul América Latina
                    > >> keeneba@...
                    > >> www.jubileusul.hpg.com.br
                    > >>
                    > >> KCTU - Korean Confederation of Trade Unions
                    > >> inter@...
                    > >> www.kctu.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Kenya Debt Network
                    > >> sodnet@...
                    > >>
                    > >> KOPA
                    > >> kopa@...
                    > >> http://antiwto.jinbo.net/eroom/index.html
                    > >>
                    > >> Kurdish Network
                    > >> kurdishnetwork@...
                    > >>
                    > >> Land Research Action Network
                    > >> wellington@...
                    > >>
                    > >> May First/People Link
                    > >> info@...
                    > >> www.mayfirst.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Movimento dos Trabalhadores Sem Terra (MST)
                    > >> srimst@...
                    > >> www.mst.org.br
                    > >>
                    > >> Narmada
                    > >> subbu@...
                    > >> www.narmada.org
                    > >>
                    > >> National Network of Autonomous Women’s Groups
                    > >> shahnandita@...
                    > >>
                    > >> Network Institute for Global Democratization (NIGD)
                    > >> katarina@...
                    > >> www.nigd.org
                    > >>
                    > >> No Vox International
                    > >> no-vox@...
                    > >> www.no-vox.org
                    > >>
                    > >> North-South Centre
                    > >> Fifi.BENABOUD@...
                    > >> www.coe.int/T/E/North-South_Centre
                    > >>
                    > >> Continental Organization of Latin America and Caribbean Students (OCLAE)
                    > >> oclae@...
                    > >> www.oclae.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Organization of African Trade Unions Unity
                    > >> oatuu@...
                    > >>
                    > >> Organização Regional Interamericana de Trabalhadores (ORIT)
                    > >> info@...
                    > >> www.orit-ciosl.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Organization de la Jeunesse Africaine
                    > >> http://www.ojafrique.org/
                    > >>
                    > >> OXFAM Internacional
                    > >> information@...
                    > >> www.oxfam.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Palestinian grassroots Anti-Apartheid Wall Campaign
                    > >> mobilize@...
                    > >> www.stopthewall.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Peace Boat
                    > >> y-nami@...
                    > >> www.peaceboat.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Peoples Health Movement
                    > >> secretariat@...
                    > >> http://www.phmovement.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Plataforma Interamericana de Derechos Humanos, Democracia y Desarrollo
                    > >> regional@...
                    > >> www.pidhdd.org
                    > >>
                    > >> PPEHRC – Poor People’s Economic Human Rights Campaign
                    > >> kwru@...
                    > >> www.economichumanrights.org
                    > >> www.kwru.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Projeto K
                    > >> Salvatore.cannavo@...
                    > >> ilpanelerose@...
                    > >>
                    > >> Public Citizen
                    > >> tgerson@...
                    > >> www.citizen.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Red Latinoamericana Mulheres Transformando a Economia
                    > >> mleon@...
                    > >> remte@...
                    > >> http://movimientos.org/remte
                    > >>
                    > >> Rede APM – Agricultures paysannes, sociétés et mondialisation
                    > >> pvuarin@...
                    > >> www.zooide.com/apm
                    > >>
                    > >> Rede CONSEU (Conferencia de Naciones sin Estado de Europa)
                    > >> activitats@...
                    > >>
                    > >> Rede Dawn de Mulheres
                    > >> dawn@...
                    > >> www.dawn.org.fj
                    > >>
                    > >> Rede de Solidariedade Ásia Pacífico
                    > >> intl@...
                    > >>
                    > >> Rede Latino-Americana e Caribenha de Mulheres Negras
                    > >> criola@...
                    > >> www.criola.ong.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Rede Mulher e Habitat
                    > >> gem@...
                    > >> http://www.redmujer.org.ar
                    > >>
                    > >> Rede Mundial de Mulheres pelos Direitos Reprodutivos
                    > >> office@...
                    > >> www.wgnrr.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Rede Palestina de ONGs
                    > >> bisanrd@...
                    > >> www.pngo.net
                    > >>
                    > >> Rede Social de Justiça e Direitos Humanos
                    > >> rede@...
                    > >> www.social.org.br
                    > >>
                    > >> Rede Transforme!
                    > >> elgauthi@...
                    > >>
                    > >> Redes Socioeconomia Solidaria
                    > >> creintjes@...
                    > >> www.reasnet.com
                    > >>
                    > >> Rede de Educação Popular entre Mulheres (REPEM)
                    > >> repem@...
                    > >> www.repem.org.uy
                    > >>
                    > >> Réseau Ouest Africain des Alternatives pour le Developpement (ROAD)
                    > >> jubilecad-mali@..., barryaminatou@...
                    > >>
                    > >> Southern Initiative on Globalisation and Trade Union Rights (SIGTUR)
                    > >> rlambert@...
                    > >>
                    > >> Social Movement Indaba
                    > >>
                    > >> Social Watch
                    > >> socwatch@...
                    > >> www.socialwatch.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Social Development Network (SODNET)
                    > >> sodnet@...
                    > >> http://www.sodnet.or.ke
                    > >>
                    > >> Solidar
                    > >> solidar@...
                    > >> www.solidar.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Solidarity Africa Network in Action
                    > >> njoki@...
                    > >>
                    > >> The International Federation Terre des Hommes (IFTDH)
                    > >> info@...
                    > >> www.terredeshommes.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Transnational Information Exchange (TIE)
                    > >> tie@...
                    > >> http://www.tie-brasil.org/tie.php
                    > >>
                    > >> Transnational Institute (TNI)
                    > >> tni@...
                    > >> www.tni.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Third World Network (TWN)
                    > >> twn@...
                    > >> www.twnside.org.sg
                    > >>
                    > >> UBUNTU - Foro Mundial de Redes de la Sociedad Civil
                    > >> ubuntu@...
                    > >> www.ubuntu.upc.es
                    > >>
                    > >> Union Internacional de Estudiantes
                    > >> ius@...
                    > >> www.ius-uie.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam Network
                    > >> vk-finland@...
                    > >> www.democracydialogues.org/
                    > >> www.demokratiafoorumi.fi/wsf.html
                    > >>
                    > >> Via Campesina
                    > >> viacam@...
                    > >> http://ns.rds.org.hn/via/
                    > >>
                    > >> World Association of Community Radio Broadcasters (Amarc)
                    > >> amarc@...
                    > >> http://www.amarc.org
                    > >>
                    > >> World March of Women
                    > >> www.ffq.qc.ca/marche2000/en/index.html
                    > >> dmatte@...
                    > >>
                    > >> Zanzibar International Film Festival Of Dhow
                    > >> Contato: Fatma ALLOO
                    > >> falloo@...
                    > >>
                    > >> Znet
                    > >> sysop@...
                    > >> www.zmag.org
                    > >>
                    > >>
                    > >>
                    > >>
                    > >> Observadores
                    > >>
                    > >>
                    > >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Mundial de Educação
                    > >>
                    > >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Africano
                    > >> taoufik@...
                    > >>
                    > >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Américas
                    > >> fsmcontinental@...
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                    > >>
                    > >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Europeu
                    > >> wsf@...
                    > >> www.fse-esf.org
                    > >>
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                    > >> activitats@...
                    > >> fsmedi@...
                    > >>
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                    > >>
                    > >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Pan-Amazônico
                    > >> cri-pmb@...
                    > >> www.fspanamazonico.com.br
                    > >>
                    > >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Tematico: Democracia, Direitos
                    > >> Humanos, Guerras e Narcotráfico
                    > >> forosocialtematico@...
                    > >> www.fsmt.org.co
                    > >>
                    > >> Funders Network on Trade & Globalization (FNTG)
                    > >> mark@...
                    > >> www.fntg.org
                    > >>
                    > >> Fórum Social São Paulo
                    > >> http://forumsocialsp.org.br
                    > >>
                    > >>
                    > >> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Gustavo Massiah <massiah@...>
                    > >> wrote:
                    > >> >
                    > >> > Dear Wilhermina
                    > >> >
                    > >> > we are with you in solidarity
                    > >> > and with all the workers of striking mine
                    > >> >
                    > >> > we are sure that social justice will be on the road of this
                    > fundamental
                    > >> > struggle
                    > >> >
                    > >> > In solidarity
                    > >> >
                    > >> > gustave massiah
                    > >> > representative of CRID at the IC of WSF
                    > >> >
                    > >> >
                    > >> >
                    > >> >
                    > >> >
                    > >> >
                    > >> > Le 21/08/2012 16:51, Wilhelmina Trout WMW a écrit :
                    > >> >
                    > >> > Dear Gina
                    > >> > my sincerest apologies for not being present these past days in these
                    > >> > discussions, after my last task of sending you my notes.  Thank you
                    > for
                    > >> > taking over & carrying the load.
                    > >> >
                    > >> > I am sure you, with the rest of the world, witnessed the recent
                    > killings
                    > >> > of
                    > >> > striking mine workers at the Lonmin Mine here in Marikane, it has
                    > >> > shocked
                    > >> > the world & here in South Africa we are trying to come to grips with
                    > the
                    > >> > loss of lives and to make sense of this brutality.
                    > >> >
                    > >> > But for now I will follow the discussions & continue participating
                    > >> > actively
                    > >> > in the group shortly.
                    > >> >
                    > >> > In solidarity
                    > >> > wilhelmina
                    > >> >
                    > >> > On 20 August 2012 22:41, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote:
                    > >> >>
                    > >> >>  dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please respond
                    > as
                    > >> >> soon as posible
                    > >> >>
                    > >> >> amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por
                    > favor
                    > >> >> respondan pronto
                    > >> >>
                    > >> >>
                    > >> >> Gina
                    > >> >>
                    > >> >>
                    > >> >> 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> (Inglès: ver abajo)
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo!
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas
                    > reacciones
                    > >> >>> que
                    > >> >>> suscita.
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos
                    > propuestas:
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> -          El protocol
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> -          El plan de trabajo
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere
                    > decir.
                    > >> >>> El
                    > >> >>> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro
                    > >> >>> grupo?
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las
                    > >> >>> responsabilidades?
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos,
                    > >> >>> seria
                    > >> >>> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar.
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen
                    > >> >>> razon.
                    > >> >>> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las
                    > >> >>> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros
                    > >> >>> del CI
                    > >> >>> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria
                    > un
                    > >> >>> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo
                    > dudo …
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que
                    > >> >>> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos?
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario?
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar …
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> Esperando las noticias.
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> Francine
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done.
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the
                    > lack
                    > >> >>> of
                    > >> >>> reactions …
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals:
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> -          Protocol
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> -          A working plan
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the
                    > >> >>> ‘rules of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect?
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with
                    > >> >>> responsibilities?
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different
                    > >> >>> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have
                    > >> >>> to
                    > >> >>> avoid, I think.
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are
                    > >> >>> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all
                    > >> >>> messages
                    > >> >>> go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also is
                    > a
                    > >> >>> need
                    > >> >>> for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule
                    > be a
                    > >> >>> kind
                    > >> >>> of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing …
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group
                    > to
                    > >> >>> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with
                    > >> >>> priority?
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire?
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help …
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> Waiting for more news,
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> Francine
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...]
                    > >> >>> Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01
                    > >> >>> Aan: wg-about-future@...
                    > >> >>> Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro
                    > trabajo.
                    > >> >>> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar.
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can
                    > continue
                    > >> >>> working.  Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work.
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have
                    > >> >>> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you
                    > that
                    > >> >>> know
                    > >> >>> both can check?
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> besos
                    > >> >>> Gina
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
                    > >> >>> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list.
                    > >> >>> This is a prove to see if it functions.
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>> Gina
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
                    > >> >>>
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                    • Re: Re: confirmando que funciona

                      from gina on Aug 27, 2012 02:24 AM
                      Please see the attachments and we comunicate soon!
                      We have to organise also a team for  traslation.!
                      
                      Por favor lean los adjuntos y nos comunicamos pronto
                      Y tenemos que organizar un equipo de traduccion!
                      
                      Gina
                      
                      
                      
                      2012/8/22 Jason Nardi <jason.nardi@...>
                      
                      > Hi Rita,
                      >
                      > I know... that's why also the institutional website badly needs to be
                      > updated altogether and we are waiting for some signal of life from Helio...
                      >  since we already have discussed for a long time in the communication
                      > commission - as you know - to have a new portal website, collecting
                      > together all the functions and information needed for a modern
                      > communication.  But apparently we cannot proceed unless "the office" says
                      > ok...
                      > Which brings up the issue of who is responsible for what and who takes
                      > decisions of this sort (I have raised this countless times in the IC).
                      >
                      > But I don't want to be polemic here ;-)
                      >
                      > ciao
                      > Jason
                      >
                      >
                      > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:57 PM, rita freire <ritafreir@...> wrote:
                      >
                      >> Jason
                      >> This list is not mine, it is the list open in the institutional
                      >> website, wich needs to be updated
                      >> Rita
                      >>
                      >> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Jason Nardi <jason.nardi@...>
                      >> wrote:
                      >> > Dear all,
                      >> >
                      >> > I've been following and read most of the messages up to now. I haven't
                      >> had
                      >> > time to write my contribution yet (I just came back from my summer
                      >> > vacation).  But I'm happy to see that something is moving...
                      >> >
                      >> > I like Sara's approach and agree that we should have more frequent
                      >> online
                      >> > meetings.
                      >> >
                      >> > Rita - the list you sent is old, in fact very old.  Is it possible to
                      >> have
                      >> > an updated one?  In a short time?
                      >> >
                      >> > ciao from a very warm Italy
                      >> > Jason
                      >> >
                      >> > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:59 PM, rita freire <ritafreir@...>
                      >> wrote:
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Agree
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Also the list of the IC  members/organizations in this group,
                      >> >> If it can help, bellow you find the list of members of the IC
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Rita
                      >> >>
                      >> >>
                      >> >> 50 Years is Enough!
                      >> >> 50years@...
                      >> >> www.50years.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Associação Brasileira de ONGs (ABONG)
                      >> >> abong@...
                      >> >> www.abong.org.br
                      >> >>
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Action Aid International (AAI)
                      >> >> mail.jhb@...
                      >> >> www.actionaid.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU)
                      >> >> mailbox@...
                      >> >> www.actu.asn.au
                      >> >>
                      >> >> American Federation of Labor-Congress of Industrial Organizations
                      >> >> (AFL-CIO)
                      >> >> feedback@...
                      >> >> www.aflcio.org/home.htm
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Africa Trade Network
                      >> >> aidc@...
                      >> >> http://africatradenetwork.com
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Alternative Information on Development Center (AIDC)
                      >> >> aidc@...
                      >> >> http://aidc.org.za
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Agencia Latinoamericana de Información (AIDC)
                      >> >> info@...
                      >> >> www.alainet.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Associação Latino Americana de Pequenos e Médios Empresários (ALAMPYME)
                      >> >> apyme@...
                      >> >> www.apyme.com.ar
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Aliança Por Um Mundo Responsável e Solidário
                      >> >> lille@...
                      >> >> www.alliance21.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> All Arab Peasants & Agricultural Co-operatives Union
                      >> >> F76arab@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Associação Latino Americana de Organismos de Promoção (ALOP)
                      >> >> info@...
                      >> >> www.alop.or.cr
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Alternatives Information Center
                      >> >> yahni@...
                      >> >> www.alternativenews.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Alternatives
                      >> >> alternatives@...< /a>
                      >> >> www.alternatives.ca
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Alternative International
                      >> >> www.alternatives.ca
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Alternatives Rússia
                      >> >> dhrr@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Amigos da Terra/Friends of the Earth
                      >> >> foe@...
                      >> >> www.foei.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> APRODEV
                      >> >> aprodev@...
                      >> >> www.aprodev.net
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Arab NGO Network for Development
                      >> >> annd@...
                      >> >> www.annd.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Asian Regional Exchange for New Alternatives (ARENA)
                      >> >> arena@...
                      >> >> www.asianexchange.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Articulación Feminista Marco Sur
                      >> >> mujeresdelsur@...
                      >> >> www.mujeresdelsur.org.uy
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Aliança Social Continental (ASC)
                      >> >> sri_cut@...
                      >> >> www.ascahsa.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Asemblea de los Pueblos del Caribe (APC)
                      >> >> habitatcarib@..., pedroarg@...
                      >> >> http://movimientos.org/caribe/
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Assemblée Europeenne dês Citoyens
                      >> >> cedetim@...
                      >> >> www.cedetim.org/AEC
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Assembléia das Nações Unidas dos Povos
                      >> >> flavio@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Associação para o Progresso das Comunicações
                      >> >> anriette@...
                      >> >> www.apc.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> ATTAC- Brasil
                      >> >> attacsaopaulo@...
                      >> >> www.attac.org/brasil
                      >> >>
                      >> >> ATTAC France
                      >> >> attac@...
                      >> >> http://attac.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Babels
                      >> >> wsfsm@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Bankwatch Network
                      >> >> jozseff@...
                      >> >> www.bankwatch.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Comité pour l’Annulation de la Dette du Tiers Monde (CADTM)
                      >> >> cadtm@...
                      >> >> http://users.skynet.be/cadtm
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Canadian Council
                      >> >> Jdunn@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Coordinación Andina de Organizaciones Indigenas (CAOI)
                      >> >> coordinadorandinacaoi@...
                      >> >> www.minkandina.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Caritas Internacionalis
                      >> >> caritas.internationalis@...
                      >> >> www.caritas.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Comissão Brasileira de Justiça e Paz (CBJP )
                      >> >> intercom@...
                      >> >> www.cbjp.org.br
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Consejo de Educación de Adultos de América Latina (CEAAL)
                      >> >> ceaal@...
                      >> >> www.ceaal.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> CEDAR Internacional
                      >> >> cedar@...
                      >> >> www.cedarinternational.net
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Centre dEtudes et d Initiatives de Solidarité Internationale (CEDETIM)
                      >> >> cedetim@...
                      >> >> www.cedetim.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Central de Trabajadores Argentinos
                      >> >> cta@...
                      >> >> www.cta.org.ar
                      >> >>
                      >> >> European Trade Union Confederation (CES)
                      >> >> etuc@...
                      >> >> www.etuc.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> CETRI
                      >> >> cetri@...
                      >> >> www.cetri.be
                      >> >>
                      >> >> CIDSE
                      >> >> postmaster@...
                      >> >> www.cidse.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Confederação Internacional de Organizações Sindicais Livres (CIOSL)
                      >> >> internetpo@...
                      >> >> www.cioslorit.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Ciranda Internacional da Comunicação Compatilhada
                      >> >> ciranda@...
                      >> >> www.ciranda.net
                      >> >>
                      >> >> CIVES
                      >> >> cives@...
                      >> >> www.cives.org.br
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Conselho Latino Americano de Ciências Sociais (CLACSO)
                      >> >> clacsofsm@...
                      >> >> www.clacso.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Canadian Labour Congress (CLC)
                      >> >> sbenedict@...
                      >> >> www.clc-ctc.ca
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Confederação Mundial do Trabalho (CMT)
                      >> >> info@...
                      >> >> www.cmt-wcl.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Coalición Internacional para el Hábitat
                      >> >> hic-al@...
                      >> >> http://www.hic-net.org/
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Coligação para a Justiça Econômica
                      >> >> viriatot@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Convergência de los Movimientos de los Pueblos de las Américas (COMPA)
                      >> >> colectivoredom_@...
                      >> >> rgf@...
                      >> >> http://www.sitiocompa.org/compa/index.php
                      >> >>
                      >> >> CONAIE
                      >> >> info@...
                      >> >> http://conaie.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Congresso Nacional Indígena do México
                      >> >> ceatl@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Conselho Mundial de Igrejas
                      >> >> info@...
                      >> >> www.wcc-coe.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Coordenación del Foro “El Otro Davos”
                      >> >> Page2@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Coordenadora de Centrais Sindicais do Cone Sul
                      >> >> eduardof@...
                      >> >> http://www.sindicatomercosul.com.br/
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Corpwatch
                      >> >> corpwatch@...
                      >> >> www.corpwatch.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Congress of South African Trade Unions (COSATU)
                      >> >> cosatu@...
                      >> >> www.cosatu.org.za
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Centre de Recherche et d´Information pour le Développment (CRID)
                      >> >> info@...
                      >> >> www.crid.asso.fr
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Confederación Sindical Internacional (CSI)
                      >> >> claire.courteille@...
                      >> >> http://www.ituc-csi.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Central Única dos Trabalhadores (CUT)
                      >> >> sri-cut@...
                      >> >> www.cut.org.br
                      >> >>
                      >> >> E-joussour
                      >> >> www.e-joussour.net
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Encuentros Hemisféricos contra el ALCA
                      >> >> joel@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> ENDA
                      >> >> taoufik@...
                      >> >> www.enda.sn
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Euralat
                      >> >> Criera@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Euromarches
                      >> >> euromarches@...
                      >> >> www.euromarches.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> FAMES
                      >> >> rabia@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Frente Continental de Organizações Comunitárias (FECOC)
                      >> >> mlongoria@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Federación Mundial de Juventudes Democráticas
                      >> >> wfdy@...
                      >> >> www.wfdy.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Féderation démocratique internationale des femmes (FDIF)
                      >> >> fdif@...
                      >> >> www.fdif.eu.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Fundación per la Pau/International Peace Bureau (IPB)
                      >> >> mailbox@...
                      >> >> www.ipb.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Food First International Action Network (FIAN)
                      >> >> fian@...
                      >> >> www.fian.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Federeação Internacional Direitos Humanos (FIDH)
                      >> >> rsanchez@...
                      >> >> www.fidh.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Freedom Legality And Rights in Europe (FLARE)
                      >> >> info@...
                      >> >> www.flarenetwork.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Focus on the Global South
                      >> >> admin@...
                      >> >> http://focusweb.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Fondation Frantz Fanon
                      >> >> http://frantzfanonfoundation-fondationfrantzfanon.com/
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Forum des Organisations de Solidarité Internationale issues des
                      >> >> Migrations (FORIM)
                      >> >> forim@...
                      >> >> forim@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Fórum Dakar
                      >> >> Residel.kaolack@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Forum Mondial des Alternatives
                      >> >> ftm@...
                      >> >> www.alternatives-action.org/fma
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Forum of the Poors
                      >> >> fopthai@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Fórum Social Italiano
                      >> >> vagnoleto@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Foundation for Socio-Economic Justice (FSEJ)
                      >> >> fsej@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> General Union of Oil Employees in Southern Iraq
                      >> >> Contact: Farouk M. Sadiq Ismaa'l
                      >> >> 101small@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> GLBT South-South Dialogue
                      >> >> dialogo@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Global Commons Foundation
                      >> >> www.www.globalcommonsfoundation.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Global Exchange
                      >> >> admin@...
                      >> >> www.globalexchange.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Global Policy Network
                      >> >> gpn-listowner@...
                      >> >> www.globalpolicynetwork.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Global Progressive Fórum
                      >> >> info@...
                      >> >> www.globalprogressiveforum.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Grassroots Global Justice
                      >> >> ggj@...
                      >> >> www.ggjalliance.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Greenpeace
                      >> >> greenpeace.brazil@...
                      >> >> http://www.greenpeace.org/
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Grito dos Excluídos
                      >> >> gritoexcluidos@...
                      >> >> www.movimientos.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Grupo de Trabalho Amazônico
                      >> >> www. gta.org.br
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Habitat Internation Coalition
                      >> >> maite.martinez-pardo@...
                      >> >> www.habitat-international-coalition.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Helsinki Citizens Assembly
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Herriak Aske
                      >> >> international@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy (IATP)
                      >> >> khoff@...
                      >> >> www.iatp.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> IBASE
                      >> >> ibase@...
                      >> >> www.ibase.br
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Conselho Internacional de Educação de Adultos (ICAE)
                      >> >> icae@...
                      >> >> http://www.icae.org.uy/spa/sindex.html
                      >> >>
                      >> >> International Federationof Alternative Trade (IFAT)
                      >> >> info@...
                      >> >> www.ifat.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> International Forum on Globalization (IFG)
                      >> >> ifg@...
                      >> >> www.ifg.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> International Alliance of Habitants
                      >> >> info@...
                      >> >> www.habitants.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> International drama and education association (IDEA)
                      >> >> www.idea-org.net
                      >> >>
                      >> >> International Gender and Trade Network
                      >> >> secretariat@...
                      >> >> www.igtn.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> International Network of Street Papers (INSP)
                      >> >> l.maclean@...
                      >> >> irn@...
                      >> >> www.irn.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> International Sport and Culture Association (ISCA)
                      >> >> info@...
                      >> >> www.isca-web.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Instituto Paulo Freire
                      >> >> ipf@...
                      >> >> www.paulofreire.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Institut Panos Afrique de l’Ouest (IPAO)
                      >> >> info@...
                      >> >> www.panos-ao.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Inter Press Service (IPS)
                      >> >> kosi@...
                      >> >> www.ips.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Union of Arab Community Based Organisations(Ittijah)
                      >> >> ittijah@...
                      >> >> www.ittijah.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Jubilee South – Asia
                      >> >> vinod.raina@...
                      >> >> www.jubileesouth.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Jubileo South – África
                      >> >> aidc@...
                      >> >> www.jubileesouth.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Jubileu 2000
                      >> >> kitazawa@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Jubileu Sul América Latina
                      >> >> keeneba@...
                      >> >> www.jubileusul.hpg.com.br
                      >> >>
                      >> >> KCTU - Korean Confederation of Trade Unions
                      >> >> inter@...
                      >> >> www.kctu.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Kenya Debt Network
                      >> >> sodnet@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> KOPA
                      >> >> kopa@...
                      >> >> http://antiwto.jinbo.net/eroom/index.html
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Kurdish Network
                      >> >> kurdishnetwork@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Land Research Action Network
                      >> >> wellington@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> May First/People Link
                      >> >> info@...
                      >> >> www.mayfirst.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Movimento dos Trabalhadores Sem Terra (MST)
                      >> >> srimst@...
                      >> >> www.mst.org.br
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Narmada
                      >> >> subbu@...
                      >> >> www.narmada.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> National Network of Autonomous Women’s Groups
                      >> >> shahnandita@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Network Institute for Global Democratization (NIGD)
                      >> >> katarina@...
                      >> >> www.nigd.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> No Vox International
                      >> >> no-vox@...
                      >> >> www.no-vox.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> North-South Centre
                      >> >> Fifi.BENABOUD@...
                      >> >> www.coe.int/T/E/North-South_Centre
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Continental Organization of Latin America and Caribbean Students
                      >> (OCLAE)
                      >> >> oclae@...
                      >> >> www.oclae.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Organization of African Trade Unions Unity
                      >> >> oatuu@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Organização Regional Interamericana de Trabalhadores (ORIT)
                      >> >> info@...
                      >> >> www.orit-ciosl.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Organization de la Jeunesse Africaine
                      >> >> http://www.ojafrique.org/
                      >> >>
                      >> >> OXFAM Internacional
                      >> >> information@...
                      >> >> www.oxfam.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Palestinian grassroots Anti-Apartheid Wall Campaign
                      >> >> mobilize@...
                      >> >> www.stopthewall.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Peace Boat
                      >> >> y-nami@...
                      >> >> www.peaceboat.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Peoples Health Movement
                      >> >> secretariat@...
                      >> >> http://www.phmovement.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Plataforma Interamericana de Derechos Humanos, Democracia y Desarrollo
                      >> >> regional@...
                      >> >> www.pidhdd.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> PPEHRC – Poor People’s Economic Human Rights Campaign
                      >> >> kwru@...
                      >> >> www.economichumanrights.org
                      >> >> www.kwru.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Projeto K
                      >> >> Salvatore.cannavo@...
                      >> >> ilpanelerose@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Public Citizen
                      >> >> tgerson@...
                      >> >> www.citizen.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Red Latinoamericana Mulheres Transformando a Economia
                      >> >> mleon@...
                      >> >> remte@...
                      >> >> http://movimientos.org/remte
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Rede APM – Agricultures paysannes, sociétés et mondialisation
                      >> >> pvuarin@...
                      >> >> www.zooide.com/apm
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Rede CONSEU (Conferencia de Naciones sin Estado de Europa)
                      >> >> activitats@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Rede Dawn de Mulheres
                      >> >> dawn@...
                      >> >> www.dawn.org.fj
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Rede de Solidariedade Ásia Pacífico
                      >> >> intl@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Rede Latino-Americana e Caribenha de Mulheres Negras
                      >> >> criola@...
                      >> >> www.criola.ong.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Rede Mulher e Habitat
                      >> >> gem@...
                      >> >> http://www.redmujer.org.ar
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Rede Mundial de Mulheres pelos Direitos Reprodutivos
                      >> >> office@...
                      >> >> www.wgnrr.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Rede Palestina de ONGs
                      >> >> bisanrd@...
                      >> >> www.pngo.net
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Rede Social de Justiça e Direitos Humanos
                      >> >> rede@...
                      >> >> www.social.org.br
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Rede Transforme!
                      >> >> elgauthi@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Redes Socioeconomia Solidaria
                      >> >> creintjes@...
                      >> >> www.reasnet.com
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Rede de Educação Popular entre Mulheres (REPEM)
                      >> >> repem@...
                      >> >> www.repem.org.uy
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Réseau Ouest Africain des Alternatives pour le Developpement (ROAD)
                      >> >> jubilecad-mali@..., barryaminatou@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Southern Initiative on Globalisation and Trade Union Rights (SIGTUR)
                      >> >> rlambert@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Social Movement Indaba
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Social Watch
                      >> >> socwatch@...
                      >> >> www.socialwatch.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Social Development Network (SODNET)
                      >> >> sodnet@...
                      >> >> http://www.sodnet.or.ke
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Solidar
                      >> >> solidar@...
                      >> >> www.solidar.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Solidarity Africa Network in Action
                      >> >> njoki@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> The International Federation Terre des Hommes (IFTDH)
                      >> >> info@...
                      >> >> www.terredeshommes.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Transnational Information Exchange (TIE)
                      >> >> tie@...
                      >> >> http://www.tie-brasil.org/tie.php
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Transnational Institute (TNI)
                      >> >> tni@...
                      >> >> www.tni.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Third World Network (TWN)
                      >> >> twn@...
                      >> >> www.twnside.org.sg
                      >> >>
                      >> >> UBUNTU - Foro Mundial de Redes de la Sociedad Civil
                      >> >> ubuntu@...
                      >> >> www.ubuntu.upc.es
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Union Internacional de Estudiantes
                      >> >> ius@...
                      >> >> www.ius-uie.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam Network
                      >> >> vk-finland@...
                      >> >> www.democracydialogues.org/
                      >> >> www.demokratiafoorumi.fi/wsf.html
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Via Campesina
                      >> >> viacam@...
                      >> >> http://ns.rds.org.hn/via/
                      >> >>
                      >> >> World Association of Community Radio Broadcasters (Amarc)
                      >> >> amarc@...
                      >> >> http://www.amarc.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> World March of Women
                      >> >> www.ffq.qc.ca/marche2000/en/index.html
                      >> >> dmatte@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Zanzibar International Film Festival Of Dhow
                      >> >> Contato: Fatma ALLOO
                      >> >> falloo@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Znet
                      >> >> sysop@...
                      >> >> www.zmag.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >>
                      >> >>
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Observadores
                      >> >>
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Mundial de Educação
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Africano
                      >> >> taoufik@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Américas
                      >> >> fsmcontinental@...
                      >> >> www.forosocialamericas.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Europeu
                      >> >> wsf@...
                      >> >> www.fse-esf.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Mediterrâneo
                      >> >> activitats@...
                      >> >> fsmedi@...
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social de Migrações
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Pan-Amazônico
                      >> >> cri-pmb@...
                      >> >> www.fspanamazonico.com.br
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Tematico: Democracia, Direitos
                      >> >> Humanos, Guerras e Narcotráfico
                      >> >> forosocialtematico@...
                      >> >> www.fsmt.org.co
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Funders Network on Trade & Globalization (FNTG)
                      >> >> mark@...
                      >> >> www.fntg.org
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Fórum Social São Paulo
                      >> >> http://forumsocialsp.org.br
                      >> >>
                      >> >>
                      >> >> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Gustavo Massiah <massiah@...>
                      >> >> wrote:
                      >> >> >
                      >> >> > Dear Wilhermina
                      >> >> >
                      >> >> > we are with you in solidarity
                      >> >> > and with all the workers of striking mine
                      >> >> >
                      >> >> > we are sure that social justice will be on the road of this
                      >> fundamental
                      >> >> > struggle
                      >> >> >
                      >> >> > In solidarity
                      >> >> >
                      >> >> > gustave massiah
                      >> >> > representative of CRID at the IC of WSF
                      >> >> >
                      >> >> >
                      >> >> >
                      >> >> >
                      >> >> >
                      >> >> >
                      >> >> > Le 21/08/2012 16:51, Wilhelmina Trout WMW a écrit :
                      >> >> >
                      >> >> > Dear Gina
                      >> >> > my sincerest apologies for not being present these past days in these
                      >> >> > discussions, after my last task of sending you my notes.  Thank you
                      >> for
                      >> >> > taking over & carrying the load.
                      >> >> >
                      >> >> > I am sure you, with the rest of the world, witnessed the recent
                      >> killings
                      >> >> > of
                      >> >> > striking mine workers at the Lonmin Mine here in Marikane, it has
                      >> >> > shocked
                      >> >> > the world & here in South Africa we are trying to come to grips with
                      >> the
                      >> >> > loss of lives and to make sense of this brutality.
                      >> >> >
                      >> >> > But for now I will follow the discussions & continue participating
                      >> >> > actively
                      >> >> > in the group shortly.
                      >> >> >
                      >> >> > In solidarity
                      >> >> > wilhelmina
                      >> >> >
                      >> >> > On 20 August 2012 22:41, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote:
                      >> >> >>
                      >> >> >>  dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please
                      >> respond as
                      >> >> >> soon as posible
                      >> >> >>
                      >> >> >> amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por
                      >> favor
                      >> >> >> respondan pronto
                      >> >> >>
                      >> >> >>
                      >> >> >> Gina
                      >> >> >>
                      >> >> >>
                      >> >> >> 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> (Inglès: ver abajo)
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo!
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas
                      >> reacciones
                      >> >> >>> que
                      >> >> >>> suscita.
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos
                      >> propuestas:
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> -          El protocol
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> -          El plan de trabajo
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere
                      >> decir.
                      >> >> >>> El
                      >> >> >>> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro
                      >> >> >>> grupo?
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las
                      >> >> >>> responsabilidades?
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos,
                      >> >> >>> seria
                      >> >> >>> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar.
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen
                      >> >> >>> razon.
                      >> >> >>> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las
                      >> >> >>> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los
                      >> miembros
                      >> >> >>> del CI
                      >> >> >>> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria
                      >> un
                      >> >> >>> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo
                      >> dudo …
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian
                      >> que
                      >> >> >>> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos?
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario?
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar …
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> Esperando las noticias.
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> Francine
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done.
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the
                      >> lack
                      >> >> >>> of
                      >> >> >>> reactions …
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals:
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> -          Protocol
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> -          A working plan
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the
                      >> >> >>> ‘rules of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect?
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with
                      >> >> >>> responsibilities?
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different
                      >> >> >>> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we
                      >> have
                      >> >> >>> to
                      >> >> >>> avoid, I think.
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege
                      >> are
                      >> >> >>> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all
                      >> >> >>> messages
                      >> >> >>> go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also
                      >> is a
                      >> >> >>> need
                      >> >> >>> for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule
                      >> be a
                      >> >> >>> kind
                      >> >> >>> of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing …
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the
                      >> working-group to
                      >> >> >>> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with
                      >> >> >>> priority?
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire?
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help …
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> Waiting for more news,
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> Francine
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...]
                      >> >> >>> Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01
                      >> >> >>> Aan: wg-about-future@...
                      >> >> >>> Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro
                      >> trabajo.
                      >> >> >>> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar.
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can
                      >> continue
                      >> >> >>> working.  Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work.
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have
                      >> >> >>> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you
                      >> that
                      >> >> >>> know
                      >> >> >>> both can check?
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> besos
                      >> >> >>> Gina
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
                      >> >> >>> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list.
                      >> >> >>> This is a prove to see if it functions.
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> Gina
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>>
                      >> >> >>> --
                      >> >> >>> Archive: http://openfsm.net/[…]/1345032103842
                      >> >> >>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to
                      >> >> >>> wg-about-future@.... Please contact
                      >> >> >>> wg-about-future-manager@... for questions.
                      >> >> >>>
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                      >> >> >>>
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                      >> >> >>
                      >> >> >> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to
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                      • Re: Re: confirmando que funciona

                        from giuseppe on Aug 27, 2012 01:36 PM
                        Gina, thank you! i think this is perfect to start and i'm thrilled by the
                        chance to work with winod and whoever wishes to join in!
                        
                        how long do we wait for people to join the four subgroups?
                        
                        gina gracias! esto me parece perfecto para iniciar y me encanta la idea de
                        trabajar con vinod y cualquier persona mas!
                        
                        cual va a ser el tiempo adecuado para que tod@s se junten a los cuatro
                        grupos?
                        
                        abrazos
                        g
                        
                        On 27 August 2012 05:23, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote:
                        
                        >
                        > Please see the attachments and we comunicate soon!
                        > We have to organise also a team for  traslation.!
                        >
                        > Por favor lean los adjuntos y nos comunicamos pronto
                        > Y tenemos que organizar un equipo de traduccion!
                        >
                        > Gina
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > 2012/8/22 Jason Nardi <jason.nardi@...>
                        >
                        >> Hi Rita,
                        >>
                        >> I know... that's why also the institutional website badly needs to be
                        >> updated altogether and we are waiting for some signal of life from Helio...
                        >>  since we already have discussed for a long time in the communication
                        >> commission - as you know - to have a new portal website, collecting
                        >> together all the functions and information needed for a modern
                        >> communication.  But apparently we cannot proceed unless "the office" says
                        >> ok...
                        >> Which brings up the issue of who is responsible for what and who takes
                        >> decisions of this sort (I have raised this countless times in the IC).
                        >>
                        >> But I don't want to be polemic here ;-)
                        >>
                        >> ciao
                        >> Jason
                        >>
                        >>
                        >> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:57 PM, rita freire <ritafreir@...> wrote:
                        >>
                        >>> Jason
                        >>> This list is not mine, it is the list open in the institutional
                        >>> website, wich needs to be updated
                        >>> Rita
                        >>>
                        >>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Jason Nardi <jason.nardi@...>
                        >>> wrote:
                        >>> > Dear all,
                        >>> >
                        >>> > I've been following and read most of the messages up to now. I haven't
                        >>> had
                        >>> > time to write my contribution yet (I just came back from my summer
                        >>> > vacation).  But I'm happy to see that something is moving...
                        >>> >
                        >>> > I like Sara's approach and agree that we should have more frequent
                        >>> online
                        >>> > meetings.
                        >>> >
                        >>> > Rita - the list you sent is old, in fact very old.  Is it possible to
                        >>> have
                        >>> > an updated one?  In a short time?
                        >>> >
                        >>> > ciao from a very warm Italy
                        >>> > Jason
                        >>> >
                        >>> > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:59 PM, rita freire <ritafreir@...>
                        >>> wrote:
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Agree
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Also the list of the IC  members/organizations in this group,
                        >>> >> If it can help, bellow you find the list of members of the IC
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Rita
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> 50 Years is Enough!
                        >>> >> 50years@...
                        >>> >> www.50years.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Associação Brasileira de ONGs (ABONG)
                        >>> >> abong@...
                        >>> >> www.abong.org.br
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Action Aid International (AAI)
                        >>> >> mail.jhb@...
                        >>> >> www.actionaid.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU)
                        >>> >> mailbox@...
                        >>> >> www.actu.asn.au
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> American Federation of Labor-Congress of Industrial Organizations
                        >>> >> (AFL-CIO)
                        >>> >> feedback@...
                        >>> >> www.aflcio.org/home.htm
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Africa Trade Network
                        >>> >> aidc@...
                        >>> >> http://africatradenetwork.com
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Alternative Information on Development Center (AIDC)
                        >>> >> aidc@...
                        >>> >> http://aidc.org.za
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Agencia Latinoamericana de Información (AIDC)
                        >>> >> info@...
                        >>> >> www.alainet.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Associação Latino Americana de Pequenos e Médios Empresários
                        >>> (ALAMPYME)
                        >>> >> apyme@...
                        >>> >> www.apyme.com.ar
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Aliança Por Um Mundo Responsável e Solidário
                        >>> >> lille@...
                        >>> >> www.alliance21.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> All Arab Peasants & Agricultural Co-operatives Union
                        >>> >> F76arab@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Associação Latino Americana de Organismos de Promoção (ALOP)
                        >>> >> info@...
                        >>> >> www.alop.or.cr
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Alternatives Information Center
                        >>> >> yahni@...
                        >>> >> www.alternativenews.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Alternatives
                        >>> >> alternatives@...< /a>
                        >>> >> www.alternatives.ca
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Alternative International
                        >>> >> www.alternatives.ca
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Alternatives Rússia
                        >>> >> dhrr@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Amigos da Terra/Friends of the Earth
                        >>> >> foe@...
                        >>> >> www.foei.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> APRODEV
                        >>> >> aprodev@...
                        >>> >> www.aprodev.net
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Arab NGO Network for Development
                        >>> >> annd@...
                        >>> >> www.annd.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Asian Regional Exchange for New Alternatives (ARENA)
                        >>> >> arena@...
                        >>> >> www.asianexchange.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Articulación Feminista Marco Sur
                        >>> >> mujeresdelsur@...
                        >>> >> www.mujeresdelsur.org.uy
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Aliança Social Continental (ASC)
                        >>> >> sri_cut@...
                        >>> >> www.ascahsa.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Asemblea de los Pueblos del Caribe (APC)
                        >>> >> habitatcarib@..., pedroarg@...
                        >>> >> http://movimientos.org/caribe/
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Assemblée Europeenne dês Citoyens
                        >>> >> cedetim@...
                        >>> >> www.cedetim.org/AEC
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Assembléia das Nações Unidas dos Povos
                        >>> >> flavio@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Associação para o Progresso das Comunicações
                        >>> >> anriette@...
                        >>> >> www.apc.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> ATTAC- Brasil
                        >>> >> attacsaopaulo@...
                        >>> >> www.attac.org/brasil
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> ATTAC France
                        >>> >> attac@...
                        >>> >> http://attac.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Babels
                        >>> >> wsfsm@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Bankwatch Network
                        >>> >> jozseff@...
                        >>> >> www.bankwatch.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Comité pour l’Annulation de la Dette du Tiers Monde (CADTM)
                        >>> >> cadtm@...
                        >>> >> http://users.skynet.be/cadtm
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Canadian Council
                        >>> >> Jdunn@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Coordinación Andina de Organizaciones Indigenas (CAOI)
                        >>> >> coordinadorandinacaoi@...
                        >>> >> www.minkandina.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Caritas Internacionalis
                        >>> >> caritas.internationalis@...
                        >>> >> www.caritas.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Comissão Brasileira de Justiça e Paz (CBJP )
                        >>> >> intercom@...
                        >>> >> www.cbjp.org.br
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Consejo de Educación de Adultos de América Latina (CEAAL)
                        >>> >> ceaal@...
                        >>> >> www.ceaal.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> CEDAR Internacional
                        >>> >> cedar@...
                        >>> >> www.cedarinternational.net
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Centre dEtudes et d Initiatives de Solidarité Internationale (CEDETIM)
                        >>> >> cedetim@...
                        >>> >> www.cedetim.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Central de Trabajadores Argentinos
                        >>> >> cta@...
                        >>> >> www.cta.org.ar
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> European Trade Union Confederation (CES)
                        >>> >> etuc@...
                        >>> >> www.etuc.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> CETRI
                        >>> >> cetri@...
                        >>> >> www.cetri.be
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> CIDSE
                        >>> >> postmaster@...
                        >>> >> www.cidse.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Confederação Internacional de Organizações Sindicais Livres (CIOSL)
                        >>> >> internetpo@...
                        >>> >> www.cioslorit.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Ciranda Internacional da Comunicação Compatilhada
                        >>> >> ciranda@...
                        >>> >> www.ciranda.net
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> CIVES
                        >>> >> cives@...
                        >>> >> www.cives.org.br
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Conselho Latino Americano de Ciências Sociais (CLACSO)
                        >>> >> clacsofsm@...
                        >>> >> www.clacso.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Canadian Labour Congress (CLC)
                        >>> >> sbenedict@...
                        >>> >> www.clc-ctc.ca
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Confederação Mundial do Trabalho (CMT)
                        >>> >> info@...
                        >>> >> www.cmt-wcl.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Coalición Internacional para el Hábitat
                        >>> >> hic-al@...
                        >>> >> http://www.hic-net.org/
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Coligação para a Justiça Econômica
                        >>> >> viriatot@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Convergência de los Movimientos de los Pueblos de las Américas (COMPA)
                        >>> >> colectivoredom_@...
                        >>> >> rgf@...
                        >>> >> http://www.sitiocompa.org/compa/index.php
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> CONAIE
                        >>> >> info@...
                        >>> >> http://conaie.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Congresso Nacional Indígena do México
                        >>> >> ceatl@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Conselho Mundial de Igrejas
                        >>> >> info@...
                        >>> >> www.wcc-coe.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Coordenación del Foro “El Otro Davos”
                        >>> >> Page2@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Coordenadora de Centrais Sindicais do Cone Sul
                        >>> >> eduardof@...
                        >>> >> http://www.sindicatomercosul.com.br/
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Corpwatch
                        >>> >> corpwatch@...
                        >>> >> www.corpwatch.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Congress of South African Trade Unions (COSATU)
                        >>> >> cosatu@...
                        >>> >> www.cosatu.org.za
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Centre de Recherche et d´Information pour le Développment (CRID)
                        >>> >> info@...
                        >>> >> www.crid.asso.fr
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Confederación Sindical Internacional (CSI)
                        >>> >> claire.courteille@...
                        >>> >> http://www.ituc-csi.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Central Única dos Trabalhadores (CUT)
                        >>> >> sri-cut@...
                        >>> >> www.cut.org.br
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> E-joussour
                        >>> >> www.e-joussour.net
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Encuentros Hemisféricos contra el ALCA
                        >>> >> joel@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> ENDA
                        >>> >> taoufik@...
                        >>> >> www.enda.sn
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Euralat
                        >>> >> Criera@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Euromarches
                        >>> >> euromarches@...
                        >>> >> www.euromarches.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> FAMES
                        >>> >> rabia@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Frente Continental de Organizações Comunitárias (FECOC)
                        >>> >> mlongoria@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Federación Mundial de Juventudes Democráticas
                        >>> >> wfdy@...
                        >>> >> www.wfdy.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Féderation démocratique internationale des femmes (FDIF)
                        >>> >> fdif@...
                        >>> >> www.fdif.eu.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Fundación per la Pau/International Peace Bureau (IPB)
                        >>> >> mailbox@...
                        >>> >> www.ipb.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Food First International Action Network (FIAN)
                        >>> >> fian@...
                        >>> >> www.fian.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Federeação Internacional Direitos Humanos (FIDH)
                        >>> >> rsanchez@...
                        >>> >> www.fidh.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Freedom Legality And Rights in Europe (FLARE)
                        >>> >> info@...
                        >>> >> www.flarenetwork.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Focus on the Global South
                        >>> >> admin@...
                        >>> >> http://focusweb.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Fondation Frantz Fanon
                        >>> >> http://frantzfanonfoundation-fondationfrantzfanon.com/
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Forum des Organisations de Solidarité Internationale issues des
                        >>> >> Migrations (FORIM)
                        >>> >> forim@...
                        >>> >> forim@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Fórum Dakar
                        >>> >> Residel.kaolack@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Forum Mondial des Alternatives
                        >>> >> ftm@...
                        >>> >> www.alternatives-action.org/fma
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Forum of the Poors
                        >>> >> fopthai@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Fórum Social Italiano
                        >>> >> vagnoleto@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Foundation for Socio-Economic Justice (FSEJ)
                        >>> >> fsej@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> General Union of Oil Employees in Southern Iraq
                        >>> >> Contact: Farouk M. Sadiq Ismaa'l
                        >>> >> 101small@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> GLBT South-South Dialogue
                        >>> >> dialogo@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Global Commons Foundation
                        >>> >> www.www.globalcommonsfoundation.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Global Exchange
                        >>> >> admin@...
                        >>> >> www.globalexchange.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Global Policy Network
                        >>> >> gpn-listowner@...
                        >>> >> www.globalpolicynetwork.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Global Progressive Fórum
                        >>> >> info@...
                        >>> >> www.globalprogressiveforum.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Grassroots Global Justice
                        >>> >> ggj@...
                        >>> >> www.ggjalliance.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Greenpeace
                        >>> >> greenpeace.brazil@...
                        >>> >> http://www.greenpeace.org/
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Grito dos Excluídos
                        >>> >> gritoexcluidos@...
                        >>> >> www.movimientos.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Grupo de Trabalho Amazônico
                        >>> >> www. gta.org.br
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Habitat Internation Coalition
                        >>> >> maite.martinez-pardo@...
                        >>> >> www.habitat-international-coalition.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Helsinki Citizens Assembly
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Herriak Aske
                        >>> >> international@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy (IATP)
                        >>> >> khoff@...
                        >>> >> www.iatp.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> IBASE
                        >>> >> ibase@...
                        >>> >> www.ibase.br
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Conselho Internacional de Educação de Adultos (ICAE)
                        >>> >> icae@...
                        >>> >> http://www.icae.org.uy/spa/sindex.html
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> International Federationof Alternative Trade (IFAT)
                        >>> >> info@...
                        >>> >> www.ifat.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> International Forum on Globalization (IFG)
                        >>> >> ifg@...
                        >>> >> www.ifg.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> International Alliance of Habitants
                        >>> >> info@...
                        >>> >> www.habitants.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> International drama and education association (IDEA)
                        >>> >> www.idea-org.net
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> International Gender and Trade Network
                        >>> >> secretariat@...
                        >>> >> www.igtn.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> International Network of Street Papers (INSP)
                        >>> >> l.maclean@...
                        >>> >> irn@...
                        >>> >> www.irn.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> International Sport and Culture Association (ISCA)
                        >>> >> info@...
                        >>> >> www.isca-web.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Instituto Paulo Freire
                        >>> >> ipf@...
                        >>> >> www.paulofreire.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Institut Panos Afrique de l’Ouest (IPAO)
                        >>> >> info@...
                        >>> >> www.panos-ao.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Inter Press Service (IPS)
                        >>> >> kosi@...
                        >>> >> www.ips.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Union of Arab Community Based Organisations(Ittijah)
                        >>> >> ittijah@...
                        >>> >> www.ittijah.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Jubilee South – Asia
                        >>> >> vinod.raina@...
                        >>> >> www.jubileesouth.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Jubileo South – África
                        >>> >> aidc@...
                        >>> >> www.jubileesouth.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Jubileu 2000
                        >>> >> kitazawa@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Jubileu Sul América Latina
                        >>> >> keeneba@...
                        >>> >> www.jubileusul.hpg.com.br
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> KCTU - Korean Confederation of Trade Unions
                        >>> >> inter@...
                        >>> >> www.kctu.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Kenya Debt Network
                        >>> >> sodnet@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> KOPA
                        >>> >> kopa@...
                        >>> >> http://antiwto.jinbo.net/eroom/index.html
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Kurdish Network
                        >>> >> kurdishnetwork@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Land Research Action Network
                        >>> >> wellington@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> May First/People Link
                        >>> >> info@...
                        >>> >> www.mayfirst.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Movimento dos Trabalhadores Sem Terra (MST)
                        >>> >> srimst@...
                        >>> >> www.mst.org.br
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Narmada
                        >>> >> subbu@...
                        >>> >> www.narmada.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> National Network of Autonomous Women’s Groups
                        >>> >> shahnandita@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Network Institute for Global Democratization (NIGD)
                        >>> >> katarina@...
                        >>> >> www.nigd.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> No Vox International
                        >>> >> no-vox@...
                        >>> >> www.no-vox.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> North-South Centre
                        >>> >> Fifi.BENABOUD@...
                        >>> >> www.coe.int/T/E/North-South_Centre
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Continental Organization of Latin America and Caribbean Students
                        >>> (OCLAE)
                        >>> >> oclae@...
                        >>> >> www.oclae.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Organization of African Trade Unions Unity
                        >>> >> oatuu@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Organização Regional Interamericana de Trabalhadores (ORIT)
                        >>> >> info@...
                        >>> >> www.orit-ciosl.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Organization de la Jeunesse Africaine
                        >>> >> http://www.ojafrique.org/
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> OXFAM Internacional
                        >>> >> information@...
                        >>> >> www.oxfam.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Palestinian grassroots Anti-Apartheid Wall Campaign
                        >>> >> mobilize@...
                        >>> >> www.stopthewall.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Peace Boat
                        >>> >> y-nami@...
                        >>> >> www.peaceboat.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Peoples Health Movement
                        >>> >> secretariat@...
                        >>> >> http://www.phmovement.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Plataforma Interamericana de Derechos Humanos, Democracia y Desarrollo
                        >>> >> regional@...
                        >>> >> www.pidhdd.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> PPEHRC – Poor People’s Economic Human Rights Campaign
                        >>> >> kwru@...
                        >>> >> www.economichumanrights.org
                        >>> >> www.kwru.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Projeto K
                        >>> >> Salvatore.cannavo@...
                        >>> >> ilpanelerose@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Public Citizen
                        >>> >> tgerson@...
                        >>> >> www.citizen.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Red Latinoamericana Mulheres Transformando a Economia
                        >>> >> mleon@...
                        >>> >> remte@...
                        >>> >> http://movimientos.org/remte
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Rede APM – Agricultures paysannes, sociétés et mondialisation
                        >>> >> pvuarin@...
                        >>> >> www.zooide.com/apm
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Rede CONSEU (Conferencia de Naciones sin Estado de Europa)
                        >>> >> activitats@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Rede Dawn de Mulheres
                        >>> >> dawn@...
                        >>> >> www.dawn.org.fj
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Rede de Solidariedade Ásia Pacífico
                        >>> >> intl@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Rede Latino-Americana e Caribenha de Mulheres Negras
                        >>> >> criola@...
                        >>> >> www.criola.ong.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Rede Mulher e Habitat
                        >>> >> gem@...
                        >>> >> http://www.redmujer.org.ar
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Rede Mundial de Mulheres pelos Direitos Reprodutivos
                        >>> >> office@...
                        >>> >> www.wgnrr.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Rede Palestina de ONGs
                        >>> >> bisanrd@...
                        >>> >> www.pngo.net
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Rede Social de Justiça e Direitos Humanos
                        >>> >> rede@...
                        >>> >> www.social.org.br
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Rede Transforme!
                        >>> >> elgauthi@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Redes Socioeconomia Solidaria
                        >>> >> creintjes@...
                        >>> >> www.reasnet.com
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Rede de Educação Popular entre Mulheres (REPEM)
                        >>> >> repem@...
                        >>> >> www.repem.org.uy
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Réseau Ouest Africain des Alternatives pour le Developpement (ROAD)
                        >>> >> jubilecad-mali@..., barryaminatou@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Southern Initiative on Globalisation and Trade Union Rights (SIGTUR)
                        >>> >> rlambert@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Social Movement Indaba
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Social Watch
                        >>> >> socwatch@...
                        >>> >> www.socialwatch.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Social Development Network (SODNET)
                        >>> >> sodnet@...
                        >>> >> http://www.sodnet.or.ke
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Solidar
                        >>> >> solidar@...
                        >>> >> www.solidar.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Solidarity Africa Network in Action
                        >>> >> njoki@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> The International Federation Terre des Hommes (IFTDH)
                        >>> >> info@...
                        >>> >> www.terredeshommes.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Transnational Information Exchange (TIE)
                        >>> >> tie@...
                        >>> >> http://www.tie-brasil.org/tie.php
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Transnational Institute (TNI)
                        >>> >> tni@...
                        >>> >> www.tni.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Third World Network (TWN)
                        >>> >> twn@...
                        >>> >> www.twnside.org.sg
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> UBUNTU - Foro Mundial de Redes de la Sociedad Civil
                        >>> >> ubuntu@...
                        >>> >> www.ubuntu.upc.es
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Union Internacional de Estudiantes
                        >>> >> ius@...
                        >>> >> www.ius-uie.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam Network
                        >>> >> vk-finland@...
                        >>> >> www.democracydialogues.org/
                        >>> >> www.demokratiafoorumi.fi/wsf.html
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Via Campesina
                        >>> >> viacam@...
                        >>> >> http://ns.rds.org.hn/via/
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> World Association of Community Radio Broadcasters (Amarc)
                        >>> >> amarc@...
                        >>> >> http://www.amarc.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> World March of Women
                        >>> >> www.ffq.qc.ca/marche2000/en/index.html
                        >>> >> dmatte@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Zanzibar International Film Festival Of Dhow
                        >>> >> Contato: Fatma ALLOO
                        >>> >> falloo@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Znet
                        >>> >> sysop@...
                        >>> >> www.zmag.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Observadores
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Mundial de Educação
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Africano
                        >>> >> taoufik@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Américas
                        >>> >> fsmcontinental@...
                        >>> >> www.forosocialamericas.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Europeu
                        >>> >> wsf@...
                        >>> >> www.fse-esf.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Mediterrâneo
                        >>> >> activitats@...
                        >>> >> fsmedi@...
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social de Migrações
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Pan-Amazônico
                        >>> >> cri-pmb@...
                        >>> >> www.fspanamazonico.com.br
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Tematico: Democracia, Direitos
                        >>> >> Humanos, Guerras e Narcotráfico
                        >>> >> forosocialtematico@...
                        >>> >> www.fsmt.org.co
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Funders Network on Trade & Globalization (FNTG)
                        >>> >> mark@...
                        >>> >> www.fntg.org
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> Fórum Social São Paulo
                        >>> >> http://forumsocialsp.org.br
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >>
                        >>> >> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Gustavo Massiah <massiah@...>
                        >>> >> wrote:
                        >>> >> >
                        >>> >> > Dear Wilhermina
                        >>> >> >
                        >>> >> > we are with you in solidarity
                        >>> >> > and with all the workers of striking mine
                        >>> >> >
                        >>> >> > we are sure that social justice will be on the road of this
                        >>> fundamental
                        >>> >> > struggle
                        >>> >> >
                        >>> >> > In solidarity
                        >>> >> >
                        >>> >> > gustave massiah
                        >>> >> > representative of CRID at the IC of WSF
                        >>> >> >
                        >>> >> >
                        >>> >> >
                        >>> >> >
                        >>> >> >
                        >>> >> >
                        >>> >> > Le 21/08/2012 16:51, Wilhelmina Trout WMW a écrit :
                        >>> >> >
                        >>> >> > Dear Gina
                        >>> >> > my sincerest apologies for not being present these past days in
                        >>> these
                        >>> >> > discussions, after my last task of sending you my notes.  Thank you
                        >>> for
                        >>> >> > taking over & carrying the load.
                        >>> >> >
                        >>> >> > I am sure you, with the rest of the world, witnessed the recent
                        >>> killings
                        >>> >> > of
                        >>> >> > striking mine workers at the Lonmin Mine here in Marikane, it has
                        >>> >> > shocked
                        >>> >> > the world & here in South Africa we are trying to come to grips
                        >>> with the
                        >>> >> > loss of lives and to make sense of this brutality.
                        >>> >> >
                        >>> >> > But for now I will follow the discussions & continue participating
                        >>> >> > actively
                        >>> >> > in the group shortly.
                        >>> >> >
                        >>> >> > In solidarity
                        >>> >> > wilhelmina
                        >>> >> >
                        >>> >> > On 20 August 2012 22:41, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote:
                        >>> >> >>
                        >>> >> >>  dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please
                        >>> respond as
                        >>> >> >> soon as posible
                        >>> >> >>
                        >>> >> >> amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por
                        >>> favor
                        >>> >> >> respondan pronto
                        >>> >> >>
                        >>> >> >>
                        >>> >> >> Gina
                        >>> >> >>
                        >>> >> >>
                        >>> >> >> 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> (Inglès: ver abajo)
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo!
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas
                        >>> reacciones
                        >>> >> >>> que
                        >>> >> >>> suscita.
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos
                        >>> propuestas:
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> -          El protocol
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> -          El plan de trabajo
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere
                        >>> decir.
                        >>> >> >>> El
                        >>> >> >>> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro
                        >>> >> >>> grupo?
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las
                        >>> >> >>> responsabilidades?
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos,
                        >>> >> >>> seria
                        >>> >> >>> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar.
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen
                        >>> >> >>> razon.
                        >>> >> >>> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas
                        >>> las
                        >>> >> >>> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los
                        >>> miembros
                        >>> >> >>> del CI
                        >>> >> >>> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones,
                        >>> seria un
                        >>> >> >>> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo
                        >>> dudo …
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian
                        >>> que
                        >>> >> >>> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos?
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario?
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar …
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> Esperando las noticias.
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> Francine
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done.
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the
                        >>> lack
                        >>> >> >>> of
                        >>> >> >>> reactions …
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two
                        >>> proposals:
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> -          Protocol
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> -          A working plan
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of
                        >>> the
                        >>> >> >>> ‘rules of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect?
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with
                        >>> >> >>> responsibilities?
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different
                        >>> >> >>> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we
                        >>> have
                        >>> >> >>> to
                        >>> >> >>> avoid, I think.
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege
                        >>> are
                        >>> >> >>> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if
                        >>> all
                        >>> >> >>> messages
                        >>> >> >>> go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also
                        >>> is a
                        >>> >> >>> need
                        >>> >> >>> for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule
                        >>> be a
                        >>> >> >>> kind
                        >>> >> >>> of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing
                        >>> …
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the
                        >>> working-group to
                        >>> >> >>> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with
                        >>> >> >>> priority?
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire?
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help …
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> Waiting for more news,
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> Francine
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...]
                        >>> >> >>> Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01
                        >>> >> >>> Aan: wg-about-future@...
                        >>> >> >>> Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro
                        >>> trabajo.
                        >>> >> >>> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar.
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can
                        >>> continue
                        >>> >> >>> working.  Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work.
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I
                        >>> have
                        >>> >> >>> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you
                        >>> that
                        >>> >> >>> know
                        >>> >> >>> both can check?
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> besos
                        >>> >> >>> Gina
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
                        >>> >> >>> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this
                        >>> list.
                        >>> >> >>> This is a prove to see if it functions.
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> Gina
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>>
                        >>> >> >>> --
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                        • Re: Re: confirmando que funciona

                          from Helio on Aug 27, 2012 06:38 PM
                          Dear Jason,
                          
                          As you might remember, the person so far responsable for the website no
                          longer works in the office since january - and NO SINGLE solution or
                          alternative was taken to replace her or think on another way of managing
                          the institutional communication (as well as many other tasks...). It is
                          completely out of sense to think that a complex process like the WSF and
                          the IC dynamics could be supported by an office composed by one only
                          person, with almost no collaboration from the process itself - except from
                          a few but active people from the IC that have been trying hard to give me a
                          hand and accomplish the tasks.
                          
                          The IC is in a moment of deep reflexion to reestructure itself, and
                          certainly the role and responsabilities of the office should be an issue on
                          its agenda - so, in this sense, I completely agree with you that the issue
                          of who is responsable for what should again be brought up. What I dont
                          understand at all in your message is the phrase "apparenty we cannot
                          proceed unless "the office" says ok..." - what kind of "ok" should "the
                          office" adress to you or any instance of the process? (I dont understant
                          either what these quotation marks means... are they only for ironic
                          purposes?). Does it make any sense externalizing responsabilities instead
                          of recognizing the difficulties that all instances of the IC have, due to
                          different reasons (and these are not only because of financial problems),
                          of achieving its goals? So, please, lets work in the same sense of
                          collective responsabilities that the WSF proclains, trying to bring up
                          solutions and alternatives to the problems we *collectively* face -
                           specially the issue of the website, which necessity of renewal has been
                          pointed by all my communicators-colleagues in the office several times
                          (Thaís, Vânia, Mariana, Thiago...), but again no solution was taken by the
                          IC. It is not a surprise that no one works for a long period in the
                          office...
                          
                          all the best,
                          
                          -- 
                          Hélio Menezes
                          WSF Office / Escritório do FSM
                          +55 11 3258 8914
                          www.forumsocialmundial.org.br
                          
                          2012/8/27 Giuseppe Caruso <giu.caruso@...>
                          
                          > Gina, thank you! i think this is perfect to start and i'm thrilled by the
                          > chance to work with winod and whoever wishes to join in!
                          >
                          > how long do we wait for people to join the four subgroups?
                          >
                          > gina gracias! esto me parece perfecto para iniciar y me encanta la idea de
                          > trabajar con vinod y cualquier persona mas!
                          >
                          > cual va a ser el tiempo adecuado para que tod@s se junten a los cuatro
                          > grupos?
                          >
                          > abrazos
                          > g
                          >
                          >
                          > On 27 August 2012 05:23, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote:
                          >
                          >>
                          >> Please see the attachments and we comunicate soon!
                          >> We have to organise also a team for  traslation.!
                          >>
                          >> Por favor lean los adjuntos y nos comunicamos pronto
                          >> Y tenemos que organizar un equipo de traduccion!
                          >>
                          >> Gina
                          >>
                          >>
                          >>
                          >>
                          >> 2012/8/22 Jason Nardi <jason.nardi@...>
                          >>
                          >>> Hi Rita,
                          >>>
                          >>> I know... that's why also the institutional website badly needs to be
                          >>> updated altogether and we are waiting for some signal of life from Helio...
                          >>>  since we already have discussed for a long time in the communication
                          >>> commission - as you know - to have a new portal website, collecting
                          >>> together all the functions and information needed for a modern
                          >>> communication.  But apparently we cannot proceed unless "the office" says
                          >>> ok...
                          >>> Which brings up the issue of who is responsible for what and who takes
                          >>> decisions of this sort (I have raised this countless times in the IC).
                          >>>
                          >>> But I don't want to be polemic here ;-)
                          >>>
                          >>> ciao
                          >>> Jason
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:57 PM, rita freire <ritafreir@...>wrote:
                          >>>
                          >>>> Jason
                          >>>> This list is not mine, it is the list open in the institutional
                          >>>> website, wich needs to be updated
                          >>>> Rita
                          >>>>
                          >>>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Jason Nardi <jason.nardi@...>
                          >>>> wrote:
                          >>>> > Dear all,
                          >>>> >
                          >>>> > I've been following and read most of the messages up to now. I
                          >>>> haven't had
                          >>>> > time to write my contribution yet (I just came back from my summer
                          >>>> > vacation).  But I'm happy to see that something is moving...
                          >>>> >
                          >>>> > I like Sara's approach and agree that we should have more frequent
                          >>>> online
                          >>>> > meetings.
                          >>>> >
                          >>>> > Rita - the list you sent is old, in fact very old.  Is it possible to
                          >>>> have
                          >>>> > an updated one?  In a short time?
                          >>>> >
                          >>>> > ciao from a very warm Italy
                          >>>> > Jason
                          >>>> >
                          >>>> > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:59 PM, rita freire <ritafreir@...>
                          >>>> wrote:
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Agree
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Also the list of the IC  members/organizations in this group,
                          >>>> >> If it can help, bellow you find the list of members of the IC
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Rita
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> 50 Years is Enough!
                          >>>> >> 50years@...
                          >>>> >> www.50years.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Associação Brasileira de ONGs (ABONG)
                          >>>> >> abong@...
                          >>>> >> www.abong.org.br
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Action Aid International (AAI)
                          >>>> >> mail.jhb@...
                          >>>> >> www.actionaid.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU)
                          >>>> >> mailbox@...
                          >>>> >> www.actu.asn.au
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> American Federation of Labor-Congress of Industrial Organizations
                          >>>> >> (AFL-CIO)
                          >>>> >> feedback@...
                          >>>> >> www.aflcio.org/home.htm
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Africa Trade Network
                          >>>> >> aidc@...
                          >>>> >> http://africatradenetwork.com
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Alternative Information on Development Center (AIDC)
                          >>>> >> aidc@...
                          >>>> >> http://aidc.org.za
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Agencia Latinoamericana de Información (AIDC)
                          >>>> >> info@...
                          >>>> >> www.alainet.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Associação Latino Americana de Pequenos e Médios Empresários
                          >>>> (ALAMPYME)
                          >>>> >> apyme@...
                          >>>> >> www.apyme.com.ar
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Aliança Por Um Mundo Responsável e Solidário
                          >>>> >> lille@...
                          >>>> >> www.alliance21.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> All Arab Peasants & Agricultural Co-operatives Union
                          >>>> >> F76arab@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Associação Latino Americana de Organismos de Promoção (ALOP)
                          >>>> >> info@...
                          >>>> >> www.alop.or.cr
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Alternatives Information Center
                          >>>> >> yahni@...
                          >>>> >> www.alternativenews.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Alternatives
                          >>>> >> alternatives@...< /a>
                          >>>> >> www.alternatives.ca
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Alternative International
                          >>>> >> www.alternatives.ca
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Alternatives Rússia
                          >>>> >> dhrr@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Amigos da Terra/Friends of the Earth
                          >>>> >> foe@...
                          >>>> >> www.foei.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> APRODEV
                          >>>> >> aprodev@...
                          >>>> >> www.aprodev.net
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Arab NGO Network for Development
                          >>>> >> annd@...
                          >>>> >> www.annd.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Asian Regional Exchange for New Alternatives (ARENA)
                          >>>> >> arena@...
                          >>>> >> www.asianexchange.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Articulación Feminista Marco Sur
                          >>>> >> mujeresdelsur@...
                          >>>> >> www.mujeresdelsur.org.uy
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Aliança Social Continental (ASC)
                          >>>> >> sri_cut@...
                          >>>> >> www.ascahsa.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Asemblea de los Pueblos del Caribe (APC)
                          >>>> >> habitatcarib@..., pedroarg@...
                          >>>> >> http://movimientos.org/caribe/
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Assemblée Europeenne dês Citoyens
                          >>>> >> cedetim@...
                          >>>> >> www.cedetim.org/AEC
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Assembléia das Nações Unidas dos Povos
                          >>>> >> flavio@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Associação para o Progresso das Comunicações
                          >>>> >> anriette@...
                          >>>> >> www.apc.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> ATTAC- Brasil
                          >>>> >> attacsaopaulo@...
                          >>>> >> www.attac.org/brasil
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> ATTAC France
                          >>>> >> attac@...
                          >>>> >> http://attac.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Babels
                          >>>> >> wsfsm@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Bankwatch Network
                          >>>> >> jozseff@...
                          >>>> >> www.bankwatch.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Comité pour l’Annulation de la Dette du Tiers Monde (CADTM)
                          >>>> >> cadtm@...
                          >>>> >> http://users.skynet.be/cadtm
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Canadian Council
                          >>>> >> Jdunn@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Coordinación Andina de Organizaciones Indigenas (CAOI)
                          >>>> >> coordinadorandinacaoi@...
                          >>>> >> www.minkandina.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Caritas Internacionalis
                          >>>> >> caritas.internationalis@...
                          >>>> >> www.caritas.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Comissão Brasileira de Justiça e Paz (CBJP )
                          >>>> >> intercom@...
                          >>>> >> www.cbjp.org.br
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Consejo de Educación de Adultos de América Latina (CEAAL)
                          >>>> >> ceaal@...
                          >>>> >> www.ceaal.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> CEDAR Internacional
                          >>>> >> cedar@...
                          >>>> >> www.cedarinternational.net
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Centre dEtudes et d Initiatives de Solidarité Internationale
                          >>>> (CEDETIM)
                          >>>> >> cedetim@...
                          >>>> >> www.cedetim.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Central de Trabajadores Argentinos
                          >>>> >> cta@...
                          >>>> >> www.cta.org.ar
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> European Trade Union Confederation (CES)
                          >>>> >> etuc@...
                          >>>> >> www.etuc.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> CETRI
                          >>>> >> cetri@...
                          >>>> >> www.cetri.be
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> CIDSE
                          >>>> >> postmaster@...
                          >>>> >> www.cidse.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Confederação Internacional de Organizações Sindicais Livres (CIOSL)
                          >>>> >> internetpo@...
                          >>>> >> www.cioslorit.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Ciranda Internacional da Comunicação Compatilhada
                          >>>> >> ciranda@...
                          >>>> >> www.ciranda.net
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> CIVES
                          >>>> >> cives@...
                          >>>> >> www.cives.org.br
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Conselho Latino Americano de Ciências Sociais (CLACSO)
                          >>>> >> clacsofsm@...
                          >>>> >> www.clacso.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Canadian Labour Congress (CLC)
                          >>>> >> sbenedict@...
                          >>>> >> www.clc-ctc.ca
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Confederação Mundial do Trabalho (CMT)
                          >>>> >> info@...
                          >>>> >> www.cmt-wcl.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Coalición Internacional para el Hábitat
                          >>>> >> hic-al@...
                          >>>> >> http://www.hic-net.org/
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Coligação para a Justiça Econômica
                          >>>> >> viriatot@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Convergência de los Movimientos de los Pueblos de las Américas
                          >>>> (COMPA)
                          >>>> >> colectivoredom_@...
                          >>>> >> rgf@...
                          >>>> >> http://www.sitiocompa.org/compa/index.php
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> CONAIE
                          >>>> >> info@...
                          >>>> >> http://conaie.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Congresso Nacional Indígena do México
                          >>>> >> ceatl@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Conselho Mundial de Igrejas
                          >>>> >> info@...
                          >>>> >> www.wcc-coe.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Coordenación del Foro “El Otro Davos”
                          >>>> >> Page2@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Coordenadora de Centrais Sindicais do Cone Sul
                          >>>> >> eduardof@...
                          >>>> >> http://www.sindicatomercosul.com.br/
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Corpwatch
                          >>>> >> corpwatch@...
                          >>>> >> www.corpwatch.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Congress of South African Trade Unions (COSATU)
                          >>>> >> cosatu@...
                          >>>> >> www.cosatu.org.za
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Centre de Recherche et d´Information pour le Développment (CRID)
                          >>>> >> info@...
                          >>>> >> www.crid.asso.fr
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Confederación Sindical Internacional (CSI)
                          >>>> >> claire.courteille@...
                          >>>> >> http://www.ituc-csi.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Central Única dos Trabalhadores (CUT)
                          >>>> >> sri-cut@...
                          >>>> >> www.cut.org.br
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> E-joussour
                          >>>> >> www.e-joussour.net
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Encuentros Hemisféricos contra el ALCA
                          >>>> >> joel@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> ENDA
                          >>>> >> taoufik@...
                          >>>> >> www.enda.sn
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Euralat
                          >>>> >> Criera@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Euromarches
                          >>>> >> euromarches@...
                          >>>> >> www.euromarches.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> FAMES
                          >>>> >> rabia@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Frente Continental de Organizações Comunitárias (FECOC)
                          >>>> >> mlongoria@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Federación Mundial de Juventudes Democráticas
                          >>>> >> wfdy@...
                          >>>> >> www.wfdy.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Féderation démocratique internationale des femmes (FDIF)
                          >>>> >> fdif@...
                          >>>> >> www.fdif.eu.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Fundación per la Pau/International Peace Bureau (IPB)
                          >>>> >> mailbox@...
                          >>>> >> www.ipb.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Food First International Action Network (FIAN)
                          >>>> >> fian@...
                          >>>> >> www.fian.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Federeação Internacional Direitos Humanos (FIDH)
                          >>>> >> rsanchez@...
                          >>>> >> www.fidh.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Freedom Legality And Rights in Europe (FLARE)
                          >>>> >> info@...
                          >>>> >> www.flarenetwork.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Focus on the Global South
                          >>>> >> admin@...
                          >>>> >> http://focusweb.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Fondation Frantz Fanon
                          >>>> >> http://frantzfanonfoundation-fondationfrantzfanon.com/
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Forum des Organisations de Solidarité Internationale issues des
                          >>>> >> Migrations (FORIM)
                          >>>> >> forim@...
                          >>>> >> forim@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Fórum Dakar
                          >>>> >> Residel.kaolack@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Forum Mondial des Alternatives
                          >>>> >> ftm@...
                          >>>> >> www.alternatives-action.org/fma
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Forum of the Poors
                          >>>> >> fopthai@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Fórum Social Italiano
                          >>>> >> vagnoleto@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Foundation for Socio-Economic Justice (FSEJ)
                          >>>> >> fsej@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> General Union of Oil Employees in Southern Iraq
                          >>>> >> Contact: Farouk M. Sadiq Ismaa'l
                          >>>> >> 101small@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> GLBT South-South Dialogue
                          >>>> >> dialogo@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Global Commons Foundation
                          >>>> >> www.www.globalcommonsfoundation.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Global Exchange
                          >>>> >> admin@...
                          >>>> >> www.globalexchange.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Global Policy Network
                          >>>> >> gpn-listowner@...
                          >>>> >> www.globalpolicynetwork.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Global Progressive Fórum
                          >>>> >> info@...
                          >>>> >> www.globalprogressiveforum.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Grassroots Global Justice
                          >>>> >> ggj@...
                          >>>> >> www.ggjalliance.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Greenpeace
                          >>>> >> greenpeace.brazil@...
                          >>>> >> http://www.greenpeace.org/
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Grito dos Excluídos
                          >>>> >> gritoexcluidos@...
                          >>>> >> www.movimientos.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Grupo de Trabalho Amazônico
                          >>>> >> www. gta.org.br
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Habitat Internation Coalition
                          >>>> >> maite.martinez-pardo@...
                          >>>> >> www.habitat-international-coalition.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Helsinki Citizens Assembly
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Herriak Aske
                          >>>> >> international@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy (IATP)
                          >>>> >> khoff@...
                          >>>> >> www.iatp.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> IBASE
                          >>>> >> ibase@...
                          >>>> >> www.ibase.br
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Conselho Internacional de Educação de Adultos (ICAE)
                          >>>> >> icae@...
                          >>>> >> http://www.icae.org.uy/spa/sindex.html
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> International Federationof Alternative Trade (IFAT)
                          >>>> >> info@...
                          >>>> >> www.ifat.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> International Forum on Globalization (IFG)
                          >>>> >> ifg@...
                          >>>> >> www.ifg.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> International Alliance of Habitants
                          >>>> >> info@...
                          >>>> >> www.habitants.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> International drama and education association (IDEA)
                          >>>> >> www.idea-org.net
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> International Gender and Trade Network
                          >>>> >> secretariat@...
                          >>>> >> www.igtn.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> International Network of Street Papers (INSP)
                          >>>> >> l.maclean@...
                          >>>> >> irn@...
                          >>>> >> www.irn.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> International Sport and Culture Association (ISCA)
                          >>>> >> info@...
                          >>>> >> www.isca-web.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Instituto Paulo Freire
                          >>>> >> ipf@...
                          >>>> >> www.paulofreire.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Institut Panos Afrique de l’Ouest (IPAO)
                          >>>> >> info@...
                          >>>> >> www.panos-ao.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Inter Press Service (IPS)
                          >>>> >> kosi@...
                          >>>> >> www.ips.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Union of Arab Community Based Organisations(Ittijah)
                          >>>> >> ittijah@...
                          >>>> >> www.ittijah.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Jubilee South – Asia
                          >>>> >> vinod.raina@...
                          >>>> >> www.jubileesouth.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Jubileo South – África
                          >>>> >> aidc@...
                          >>>> >> www.jubileesouth.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Jubileu 2000
                          >>>> >> kitazawa@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Jubileu Sul América Latina
                          >>>> >> keeneba@...
                          >>>> >> www.jubileusul.hpg.com.br
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> KCTU - Korean Confederation of Trade Unions
                          >>>> >> inter@...
                          >>>> >> www.kctu.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Kenya Debt Network
                          >>>> >> sodnet@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> KOPA
                          >>>> >> kopa@...
                          >>>> >> http://antiwto.jinbo.net/eroom/index.html
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Kurdish Network
                          >>>> >> kurdishnetwork@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Land Research Action Network
                          >>>> >> wellington@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> May First/People Link
                          >>>> >> info@...
                          >>>> >> www.mayfirst.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Movimento dos Trabalhadores Sem Terra (MST)
                          >>>> >> srimst@...
                          >>>> >> www.mst.org.br
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Narmada
                          >>>> >> subbu@...
                          >>>> >> www.narmada.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> National Network of Autonomous Women’s Groups
                          >>>> >> shahnandita@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Network Institute for Global Democratization (NIGD)
                          >>>> >> katarina@...
                          >>>> >> www.nigd.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> No Vox International
                          >>>> >> no-vox@...
                          >>>> >> www.no-vox.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> North-South Centre
                          >>>> >> Fifi.BENABOUD@...
                          >>>> >> www.coe.int/T/E/North-South_Centre
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Continental Organization of Latin America and Caribbean Students
                          >>>> (OCLAE)
                          >>>> >> oclae@...
                          >>>> >> www.oclae.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Organization of African Trade Unions Unity
                          >>>> >> oatuu@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Organização Regional Interamericana de Trabalhadores (ORIT)
                          >>>> >> info@...
                          >>>> >> www.orit-ciosl.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Organization de la Jeunesse Africaine
                          >>>> >> http://www.ojafrique.org/
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> OXFAM Internacional
                          >>>> >> information@...
                          >>>> >> www.oxfam.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Palestinian grassroots Anti-Apartheid Wall Campaign
                          >>>> >> mobilize@...
                          >>>> >> www.stopthewall.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Peace Boat
                          >>>> >> y-nami@...
                          >>>> >> www.peaceboat.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Peoples Health Movement
                          >>>> >> secretariat@...
                          >>>> >> http://www.phmovement.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Plataforma Interamericana de Derechos Humanos, Democracia y
                          >>>> Desarrollo
                          >>>> >> regional@...
                          >>>> >> www.pidhdd.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> PPEHRC – Poor People’s Economic Human Rights Campaign
                          >>>> >> kwru@...
                          >>>> >> www.economichumanrights.org
                          >>>> >> www.kwru.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Projeto K
                          >>>> >> Salvatore.cannavo@...
                          >>>> >> ilpanelerose@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Public Citizen
                          >>>> >> tgerson@...
                          >>>> >> www.citizen.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Red Latinoamericana Mulheres Transformando a Economia
                          >>>> >> mleon@...
                          >>>> >> remte@...
                          >>>> >> http://movimientos.org/remte
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Rede APM – Agricultures paysannes, sociétés et mondialisation
                          >>>> >> pvuarin@...
                          >>>> >> www.zooide.com/apm
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Rede CONSEU (Conferencia de Naciones sin Estado de Europa)
                          >>>> >> activitats@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Rede Dawn de Mulheres
                          >>>> >> dawn@...
                          >>>> >> www.dawn.org.fj
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Rede de Solidariedade Ásia Pacífico
                          >>>> >> intl@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Rede Latino-Americana e Caribenha de Mulheres Negras
                          >>>> >> criola@...
                          >>>> >> www.criola.ong.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Rede Mulher e Habitat
                          >>>> >> gem@...
                          >>>> >> http://www.redmujer.org.ar
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Rede Mundial de Mulheres pelos Direitos Reprodutivos
                          >>>> >> office@...
                          >>>> >> www.wgnrr.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Rede Palestina de ONGs
                          >>>> >> bisanrd@...
                          >>>> >> www.pngo.net
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Rede Social de Justiça e Direitos Humanos
                          >>>> >> rede@...
                          >>>> >> www.social.org.br
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Rede Transforme!
                          >>>> >> elgauthi@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Redes Socioeconomia Solidaria
                          >>>> >> creintjes@...
                          >>>> >> www.reasnet.com
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Rede de Educação Popular entre Mulheres (REPEM)
                          >>>> >> repem@...
                          >>>> >> www.repem.org.uy
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Réseau Ouest Africain des Alternatives pour le Developpement (ROAD)
                          >>>> >> jubilecad-mali@..., barryaminatou@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Southern Initiative on Globalisation and Trade Union Rights (SIGTUR)
                          >>>> >> rlambert@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Social Movement Indaba
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Social Watch
                          >>>> >> socwatch@...
                          >>>> >> www.socialwatch.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Social Development Network (SODNET)
                          >>>> >> sodnet@...
                          >>>> >> http://www.sodnet.or.ke
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Solidar
                          >>>> >> solidar@...
                          >>>> >> www.solidar.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Solidarity Africa Network in Action
                          >>>> >> njoki@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> The International Federation Terre des Hommes (IFTDH)
                          >>>> >> info@...
                          >>>> >> www.terredeshommes.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Transnational Information Exchange (TIE)
                          >>>> >> tie@...
                          >>>> >> http://www.tie-brasil.org/tie.php
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Transnational Institute (TNI)
                          >>>> >> tni@...
                          >>>> >> www.tni.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Third World Network (TWN)
                          >>>> >> twn@...
                          >>>> >> www.twnside.org.sg
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> UBUNTU - Foro Mundial de Redes de la Sociedad Civil
                          >>>> >> ubuntu@...
                          >>>> >> www.ubuntu.upc.es
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Union Internacional de Estudiantes
                          >>>> >> ius@...
                          >>>> >> www.ius-uie.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam Network
                          >>>> >> vk-finland@...
                          >>>> >> www.democracydialogues.org/
                          >>>> >> www.demokratiafoorumi.fi/wsf.html
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Via Campesina
                          >>>> >> viacam@...
                          >>>> >> http://ns.rds.org.hn/via/
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> World Association of Community Radio Broadcasters (Amarc)
                          >>>> >> amarc@...
                          >>>> >> http://www.amarc.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> World March of Women
                          >>>> >> www.ffq.qc.ca/marche2000/en/index.html
                          >>>> >> dmatte@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Zanzibar International Film Festival Of Dhow
                          >>>> >> Contato: Fatma ALLOO
                          >>>> >> falloo@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Znet
                          >>>> >> sysop@...
                          >>>> >> www.zmag.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Observadores
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Mundial de Educação
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Africano
                          >>>> >> taoufik@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Américas
                          >>>> >> fsmcontinental@...
                          >>>> >> www.forosocialamericas.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Europeu
                          >>>> >> wsf@...
                          >>>> >> www.fse-esf.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Mediterrâneo
                          >>>> >> activitats@...
                          >>>> >> fsmedi@...
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social de Migrações
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Pan-Amazônico
                          >>>> >> cri-pmb@...
                          >>>> >> www.fspanamazonico.com.br
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Tematico: Democracia, Direitos
                          >>>> >> Humanos, Guerras e Narcotráfico
                          >>>> >> forosocialtematico@...
                          >>>> >> www.fsmt.org.co
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Funders Network on Trade & Globalization (FNTG)
                          >>>> >> mark@...
                          >>>> >> www.fntg.org
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> Fórum Social São Paulo
                          >>>> >> http://forumsocialsp.org.br
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >>
                          >>>> >> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Gustavo Massiah <massiah@...
                          >>>> >
                          >>>> >> wrote:
                          >>>> >> >
                          >>>> >> > Dear Wilhermina
                          >>>> >> >
                          >>>> >> > we are with you in solidarity
                          >>>> >> > and with all the workers of striking mine
                          >>>> >> >
                          >>>> >> > we are sure that social justice will be on the road of this
                          >>>> fundamental
                          >>>> >> > struggle
                          >>>> >> >
                          >>>> >> > In solidarity
                          >>>> >> >
                          >>>> >> > gustave massiah
                          >>>> >> > representative of CRID at the IC of WSF
                          >>>> >> >
                          >>>> >> >
                          >>>> >> >
                          >>>> >> >
                          >>>> >> >
                          >>>> >> >
                          >>>> >> > Le 21/08/2012 16:51, Wilhelmina Trout WMW a écrit :
                          >>>> >> >
                          >>>> >> > Dear Gina
                          >>>> >> > my sincerest apologies for not being present these past days in
                          >>>> these
                          >>>> >> > discussions, after my last task of sending you my notes.  Thank
                          >>>> you for
                          >>>> >> > taking over & carrying the load.
                          >>>> >> >
                          >>>> >> > I am sure you, with the rest of the world, witnessed the recent
                          >>>> killings
                          >>>> >> > of
                          >>>> >> > striking mine workers at the Lonmin Mine here in Marikane, it has
                          >>>> >> > shocked
                          >>>> >> > the world & here in South Africa we are trying to come to grips
                          >>>> with the
                          >>>> >> > loss of lives and to make sense of this brutality.
                          >>>> >> >
                          >>>> >> > But for now I will follow the discussions & continue participating
                          >>>> >> > actively
                          >>>> >> > in the group shortly.
                          >>>> >> >
                          >>>> >> > In solidarity
                          >>>> >> > wilhelmina
                          >>>> >> >
                          >>>> >> > On 20 August 2012 22:41, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote:
                          >>>> >> >>
                          >>>> >> >>  dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please
                          >>>> respond as
                          >>>> >> >> soon as posible
                          >>>> >> >>
                          >>>> >> >> amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado;
                          >>>> por favor
                          >>>> >> >> respondan pronto
                          >>>> >> >>
                          >>>> >> >>
                          >>>> >> >> Gina
                          >>>> >> >>
                          >>>> >> >>
                          >>>> >> >> 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> (Inglès: ver abajo)
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo!
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas
                          >>>> reacciones
                          >>>> >> >>> que
                          >>>> >> >>> suscita.
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos
                          >>>> propuestas:
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> -          El protocol
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> -          El plan de trabajo
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere
                          >>>> decir.
                          >>>> >> >>> El
                          >>>> >> >>> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de
                          >>>> nuestro
                          >>>> >> >>> grupo?
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las
                          >>>> >> >>> responsabilidades?
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos
                          >>>> grupos,
                          >>>> >> >>> seria
                          >>>> >> >>> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar.
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege
                          >>>> tienen
                          >>>> >> >>> razon.
                          >>>> >> >>> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas
                          >>>> las
                          >>>> >> >>> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los
                          >>>> miembros
                          >>>> >> >>> del CI
                          >>>> >> >>> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones,
                          >>>> seria un
                          >>>> >> >>> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo
                          >>>> dudo …
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian
                          >>>> que
                          >>>> >> >>> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos?
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario?
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar …
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> Esperando las noticias.
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> Francine
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done.
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the
                          >>>> lack
                          >>>> >> >>> of
                          >>>> >> >>> reactions …
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two
                          >>>> proposals:
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> -          Protocol
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> -          A working plan
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of
                          >>>> the
                          >>>> >> >>> ‘rules of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect?
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with
                          >>>> >> >>> responsibilities?
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different
                          >>>> >> >>> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we
                          >>>> have
                          >>>> >> >>> to
                          >>>> >> >>> avoid, I think.
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege
                          >>>> are
                          >>>> >> >>> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if
                          >>>> all
                          >>>> >> >>> messages
                          >>>> >> >>> go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also
                          >>>> is a
                          >>>> >> >>> need
                          >>>> >> >>> for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it
                          >>>> coule be a
                          >>>> >> >>> kind
                          >>>> >> >>> of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in
                          >>>> writing …
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the
                          >>>> working-group to
                          >>>> >> >>> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with
                          >>>> >> >>> priority?
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire?
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help …
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> Waiting for more news,
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> Francine
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...]
                          >>>> >> >>> Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01
                          >>>> >> >>> Aan: wg-about-future@...
                          >>>> >> >>> Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro
                          >>>> trabajo.
                          >>>> >> >>> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar.
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can
                          >>>> continue
                          >>>> >> >>> working.  Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to
                          >>>> work.
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I
                          >>>> have
                          >>>> >> >>> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you
                          >>>> that
                          >>>> >> >>> know
                          >>>> >> >>> both can check?
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> besos
                          >>>> >> >>> Gina
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves
                          >>>> de
                          >>>> >> >>> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this
                          >>>> list.
                          >>>> >> >>> This is a prove to see if it functions.
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>> Gina
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
                          >>>> >> >>>
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                          • Re: Re: confirmando que funciona

                            from jnardi on Aug 28, 2012 11:13 PM
                            Dear Helio,
                            
                            I was about to answer your message when I read your email about you leaving
                            the office.  I am sorry about this, really.  And as you recall in our last
                            conversation in Monastir, I totally agreed with you about you being left
                            alone, which I think was quite irresponsible - especially since we've been
                            discussing this situation for a long time and even the few proposals that
                            had been made (such as contributions by IC members and from Organising
                            Committees) where not followed up.
                            
                            I also want to excuse myself if the tone of my previous message was too
                            harsh or polemic.  And sounded like a personal issue.  My frustration comes
                            from the fact that we continue to repeat the same dynamics, leading to a
                            standstill and de facto non collaboration, for what reason I still don't
                            undertand.  The specific case I was addressing is about working on the
                            website for 2013 as a project to renew the whole institutional website,
                            sharing those parts (such as registration of participants, memory,
                            multimedia, etc) which are common and making it a collaborative site, so it
                            can be co-designed and co-edited by more people - and not be the sole
                            responsibility of a person or two in an "office" (no irony intended).
                             We've shared this in the IC (Hamouda, for instance, repeated it in several
                            occasions) and created groups (well, Pierre created groups...) with the
                            people who are concretely working on it.  Who said they were waiting to
                            have from the Office the domain they could use to work on it (eg.
                            fsm2013.forumsocialmundial.org). And are still waiting.  So who is supposed
                            to decide on this very specific matter? Shouldn't it be a group (of the IC)
                            dedicated to communication issues?
                            
                            Many attempts as Communication commission  to share responsibilities in a
                            collaborative way have been made in the past with your previous collegues
                            (discussions and documents where generated, trying to list tasks to be
                            shared and preserve the independence and professional work done by office
                            staff) - but this is history and besides the point.
                            
                            The point is: who has to take certain decisions and where does the
                            collective responsibility of the IC as such lie?  Who is accountable to
                            whom?  And what forms of collaboration can be concretely practice and which
                            are really viable?  How much is it a matter of financial issues and how
                            much of "control"?
                            
                            The Liason Group was supposed to be a solution - it ended up creating more
                            problems.  And now that most of its members were supposed to be renewed, no
                            real assessment was done, and what happened in Monastir seemed to be a way
                            to delay and defer again any possible different solution.  I already
                            expressed myself publicly about this.
                            
                            The Forum process has an incredible potential, and whenever it has been
                            adopted in different contexts it has help dynamise and aggregate.  But it
                            has to evolve as it grows and moves, as the context changes, as some actors
                            get "tired" and others perceive a closure; it needs to include new
                            instances, change its dynamics, and become less improvised and more
                            accountable.  Learn from other "processes" - without making a myth out of
                            them (occupy movement, for eg) - but especially, try not to repeat the same
                            errors again and again.
                            
                            So if this working group (with 4 sub-groups of 1-2 people each??!!) wants
                            to really explore how to get out of this mess in a creative, re-energizing,
                            concrete and accountable way, I think it needs not just to theorize about
                            the future, but to look at concrete ways to mobilise, clear the minimal
                            rules and methods of participation in the IC (which IS a responsibility and
                            not just another venue to meet each other - so non participant members
                            should no longer be members).  And find how to give continuity to a
                            process, by renewing itself each time as the relay passes from one
                            organising committee to the next (where the "office" could be based) and
                            being very public and transparent (recording the meetings and making them
                            available on the website; have "instant reports"; publish accounts; declare
                            who is responsible for what).
                            
                            So... what next?
                            
                            Gina - thanks for your work.  If I understand correctly, the task for each
                            "sub-group" is to issue a document as a basis for further reflection on the
                            different aspects.  That is fine -- can it be done with collaborative
                            "public" tools, instead of just exchanging versions on a mailing list?
                            Openfsm "wiki" is available and as of today holds the "memory" of many
                            discussions, documents, guidelines, etc. But there are many other tools out
                            there... (and the "Occupy"ers are making an incredible use of them).
                            
                            I would add something I had already suggested for the post-Dakar
                            evaluation, which involved asking all organisations and participants of the
                            forum process to give their ideas, expectations, proposals, through a
                            (simple) questionnaire - not just, but of course also, the IC members.  To
                            do this, we'd need to use the newsletter database and - possibly - the
                            database of the Dakar forum.  The questionnaire can be done online, in
                            several languages.  It doesn't take a huge technical effort.  And we had
                            already worked on it and agreed last year (I just re-read a few emails
                            about it).  But then it wasn't done [why?] - and we only received a few
                            answers from IC members.
                            
                            [And please, Giuseppe, lets not repeat the discussion on open space
                            methodology and questionnaires... ;-) ]
                            
                            Then of course - if successful - we'll have a lot of useful elements which
                            can inform and stimulate and help the preparation of a more grounded debate
                            in the next IC.
                            
                            I've been long (not as much as Francine and Chico), so I'll cut it here.
                            
                            Helio - I wish you the very best and hope you stay in touch.
                            
                            ciao
                            Jason
                            
                            On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Escritorio FSM - Helio <
                            escritorio@...> wrote:
                            
                            > Dear Jason,
                            >
                            > As you might remember, the person so far responsable for the website no
                            > longer works in the office since january - and NO SINGLE solution or
                            > alternative was taken to replace her or think on another way of managing
                            > the institutional communication (as well as many other tasks...). It is
                            > completely out of sense to think that a complex process like the WSF and
                            > the IC dynamics could be supported by an office composed by one only
                            > person, with almost no collaboration from the process itself - except from
                            > a few but active people from the IC that have been trying hard to give me a
                            > hand and accomplish the tasks.
                            >
                            > The IC is in a moment of deep reflexion to reestructure itself, and
                            > certainly the role and responsabilities of the office should be an issue on
                            > its agenda - so, in this sense, I completely agree with you that the issue
                            > of who is responsable for what should again be brought up. What I dont
                            > understand at all in your message is the phrase "apparenty we cannot
                            > proceed unless "the office" says ok..." - what kind of "ok" should "the
                            > office" adress to you or any instance of the process? (I dont understant
                            > either what these quotation marks means... are they only for ironic
                            > purposes?). Does it make any sense externalizing responsabilities instead
                            > of recognizing the difficulties that all instances of the IC have, due to
                            > different reasons (and these are not only because of financial problems),
                            > of achieving its goals? So, please, lets work in the same sense of
                            > collective responsabilities that the WSF proclains, trying to bring up
                            > solutions and alternatives to the problems we *collectively* face -
                            >  specially the issue of the website, which necessity of renewal has been
                            > pointed by all my communicators-colleagues in the office several times
                            > (Thaís, Vânia, Mariana, Thiago...), but again no solution was taken by the
                            > IC. It is not a surprise that no one works for a long period in the
                            > office...
                            >
                            > all the best,
                            >
                            > --
                            > Hélio Menezes
                            > WSF Office / Escritório do FSM
                            > +55 11 3258 8914
                            > www.forumsocialmundial.org.br
                            >
                            > 2012/8/27 Giuseppe Caruso <giu.caruso@...>
                            >
                            >> Gina, thank you! i think this is perfect to start and i'm thrilled by the
                            >> chance to work with winod and whoever wishes to join in!
                            >>
                            >> how long do we wait for people to join the four subgroups?
                            >>
                            >> gina gracias! esto me parece perfecto para iniciar y me encanta la idea
                            >> de trabajar con vinod y cualquier persona mas!
                            >>
                            >> cual va a ser el tiempo adecuado para que tod@s se junten a los cuatro
                            >> grupos?
                            >>
                            >> abrazos
                            >> g
                            >>
                            >>
                            >> On 27 August 2012 05:23, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote:
                            >>
                            >>>
                            >>> Please see the attachments and we comunicate soon!
                            >>> We have to organise also a team for  traslation.!
                            >>>
                            >>> Por favor lean los adjuntos y nos comunicamos pronto
                            >>> Y tenemos que organizar un equipo de traduccion!
                            >>>
                            >>> Gina
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>> 2012/8/22 Jason Nardi <jason.nardi@...>
                            >>>
                            >>>> Hi Rita,
                            >>>>
                            >>>> I know... that's why also the institutional website badly needs to be
                            >>>> updated altogether and we are waiting for some signal of life from Helio...
                            >>>>  since we already have discussed for a long time in the communication
                            >>>> commission - as you know - to have a new portal website, collecting
                            >>>> together all the functions and information needed for a modern
                            >>>> communication.  But apparently we cannot proceed unless "the office" says
                            >>>> ok...
                            >>>> Which brings up the issue of who is responsible for what and who takes
                            >>>> decisions of this sort (I have raised this countless times in the IC).
                            >>>>
                            >>>> But I don't want to be polemic here ;-)
                            >>>>
                            >>>> ciao
                            >>>> Jason
                            >>>>
                            >>>>
                            >>>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:57 PM, rita freire <ritafreir@...>wrote:
                            >>>>
                            >>>>> Jason
                            >>>>> This list is not mine, it is the list open in the institutional
                            >>>>> website, wich needs to be updated
                            >>>>> Rita
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Jason Nardi <jason.nardi@...>
                            >>>>> wrote:
                            >>>>> > Dear all,
                            >>>>> >
                            >>>>> > I've been following and read most of the messages up to now. I
                            >>>>> haven't had
                            >>>>> > time to write my contribution yet (I just came back from my summer
                            >>>>> > vacation).  But I'm happy to see that something is moving...
                            >>>>> >
                            >>>>> > I like Sara's approach and agree that we should have more frequent
                            >>>>> online
                            >>>>> > meetings.
                            >>>>> >
                            >>>>> > Rita - the list you sent is old, in fact very old.  Is it possible
                            >>>>> to have
                            >>>>> > an updated one?  In a short time?
                            >>>>> >
                            >>>>> > ciao from a very warm Italy
                            >>>>> > Jason
                            >>>>> >
                            >>>>> > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:59 PM, rita freire <ritafreir@...>
                            >>>>> wrote:
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Agree
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Also the list of the IC  members/organizations in this group,
                            >>>>> >> If it can help, bellow you find the list of members of the IC
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Rita
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> 50 Years is Enough!
                            >>>>> >> 50years@...
                            >>>>> >> www.50years.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Associação Brasileira de ONGs (ABONG)
                            >>>>> >> abong@...
                            >>>>> >> www.abong.org.br
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Action Aid International (AAI)
                            >>>>> >> mail.jhb@...
                            >>>>> >> www.actionaid.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU)
                            >>>>> >> mailbox@...
                            >>>>> >> www.actu.asn.au
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> American Federation of Labor-Congress of Industrial Organizations
                            >>>>> >> (AFL-CIO)
                            >>>>> >> feedback@...
                            >>>>> >> www.aflcio.org/home.htm
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Africa Trade Network
                            >>>>> >> aidc@...
                            >>>>> >> http://africatradenetwork.com
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Alternative Information on Development Center (AIDC)
                            >>>>> >> aidc@...
                            >>>>> >> http://aidc.org.za
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Agencia Latinoamericana de Información (AIDC)
                            >>>>> >> info@...
                            >>>>> >> www.alainet.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Associação Latino Americana de Pequenos e Médios Empresários
                            >>>>> (ALAMPYME)
                            >>>>> >> apyme@...
                            >>>>> >> www.apyme.com.ar
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Aliança Por Um Mundo Responsável e Solidário
                            >>>>> >> lille@...
                            >>>>> >> www.alliance21.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> All Arab Peasants & Agricultural Co-operatives Union
                            >>>>> >> F76arab@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Associação Latino Americana de Organismos de Promoção (ALOP)
                            >>>>> >> info@...
                            >>>>> >> www.alop.or.cr
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Alternatives Information Center
                            >>>>> >> yahni@...
                            >>>>> >> www.alternativenews.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Alternatives
                            >>>>> >> alternatives@...< /a>
                            >>>>> >> www.alternatives.ca
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Alternative International
                            >>>>> >> www.alternatives.ca
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Alternatives Rússia
                            >>>>> >> dhrr@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Amigos da Terra/Friends of the Earth
                            >>>>> >> foe@...
                            >>>>> >> www.foei.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> APRODEV
                            >>>>> >> aprodev@...
                            >>>>> >> www.aprodev.net
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Arab NGO Network for Development
                            >>>>> >> annd@...
                            >>>>> >> www.annd.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Asian Regional Exchange for New Alternatives (ARENA)
                            >>>>> >> arena@...
                            >>>>> >> www.asianexchange.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Articulación Feminista Marco Sur
                            >>>>> >> mujeresdelsur@...
                            >>>>> >> www.mujeresdelsur.org.uy
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Aliança Social Continental (ASC)
                            >>>>> >> sri_cut@...
                            >>>>> >> www.ascahsa.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Asemblea de los Pueblos del Caribe (APC)
                            >>>>> >> habitatcarib@..., pedroarg@...
                            >>>>> >> http://movimientos.org/caribe/
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Assemblée Europeenne dês Citoyens
                            >>>>> >> cedetim@...
                            >>>>> >> www.cedetim.org/AEC
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Assembléia das Nações Unidas dos Povos
                            >>>>> >> flavio@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Associação para o Progresso das Comunicações
                            >>>>> >> anriette@...
                            >>>>> >> www.apc.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> ATTAC- Brasil
                            >>>>> >> attacsaopaulo@...
                            >>>>> >> www.attac.org/brasil
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> ATTAC France
                            >>>>> >> attac@...
                            >>>>> >> http://attac.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Babels
                            >>>>> >> wsfsm@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Bankwatch Network
                            >>>>> >> jozseff@...
                            >>>>> >> www.bankwatch.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Comité pour l’Annulation de la Dette du Tiers Monde (CADTM)
                            >>>>> >> cadtm@...
                            >>>>> >> http://users.skynet.be/cadtm
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Canadian Council
                            >>>>> >> Jdunn@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Coordinación Andina de Organizaciones Indigenas (CAOI)
                            >>>>> >> coordinadorandinacaoi@...
                            >>>>> >> www.minkandina.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Caritas Internacionalis
                            >>>>> >> caritas.internationalis@...
                            >>>>> >> www.caritas.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Comissão Brasileira de Justiça e Paz (CBJP )
                            >>>>> >> intercom@...
                            >>>>> >> www.cbjp.org.br
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Consejo de Educación de Adultos de América Latina (CEAAL)
                            >>>>> >> ceaal@...
                            >>>>> >> www.ceaal.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> CEDAR Internacional
                            >>>>> >> cedar@...
                            >>>>> >> www.cedarinternational.net
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Centre dEtudes et d Initiatives de Solidarité Internationale
                            >>>>> (CEDETIM)
                            >>>>> >> cedetim@...
                            >>>>> >> www.cedetim.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Central de Trabajadores Argentinos
                            >>>>> >> cta@...
                            >>>>> >> www.cta.org.ar
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> European Trade Union Confederation (CES)
                            >>>>> >> etuc@...
                            >>>>> >> www.etuc.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> CETRI
                            >>>>> >> cetri@...
                            >>>>> >> www.cetri.be
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> CIDSE
                            >>>>> >> postmaster@...
                            >>>>> >> www.cidse.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Confederação Internacional de Organizações Sindicais Livres (CIOSL)
                            >>>>> >> internetpo@...
                            >>>>> >> www.cioslorit.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Ciranda Internacional da Comunicação Compatilhada
                            >>>>> >> ciranda@...
                            >>>>> >> www.ciranda.net
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> CIVES
                            >>>>> >> cives@...
                            >>>>> >> www.cives.org.br
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Conselho Latino Americano de Ciências Sociais (CLACSO)
                            >>>>> >> clacsofsm@...
                            >>>>> >> www.clacso.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Canadian Labour Congress (CLC)
                            >>>>> >> sbenedict@...
                            >>>>> >> www.clc-ctc.ca
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Confederação Mundial do Trabalho (CMT)
                            >>>>> >> info@...
                            >>>>> >> www.cmt-wcl.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Coalición Internacional para el Hábitat
                            >>>>> >> hic-al@...
                            >>>>> >> http://www.hic-net.org/
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Coligação para a Justiça Econômica
                            >>>>> >> viriatot@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Convergência de los Movimientos de los Pueblos de las Américas
                            >>>>> (COMPA)
                            >>>>> >> colectivoredom_@...
                            >>>>> >> rgf@...
                            >>>>> >> http://www.sitiocompa.org/compa/index.php
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> CONAIE
                            >>>>> >> info@...
                            >>>>> >> http://conaie.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Congresso Nacional Indígena do México
                            >>>>> >> ceatl@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Conselho Mundial de Igrejas
                            >>>>> >> info@...
                            >>>>> >> www.wcc-coe.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Coordenación del Foro “El Otro Davos”
                            >>>>> >> Page2@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Coordenadora de Centrais Sindicais do Cone Sul
                            >>>>> >> eduardof@...
                            >>>>> >> http://www.sindicatomercosul.com.br/
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Corpwatch
                            >>>>> >> corpwatch@...
                            >>>>> >> www.corpwatch.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Congress of South African Trade Unions (COSATU)
                            >>>>> >> cosatu@...
                            >>>>> >> www.cosatu.org.za
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Centre de Recherche et d´Information pour le Développment (CRID)
                            >>>>> >> info@...
                            >>>>> >> www.crid.asso.fr
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Confederación Sindical Internacional (CSI)
                            >>>>> >> claire.courteille@...
                            >>>>> >> http://www.ituc-csi.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Central Única dos Trabalhadores (CUT)
                            >>>>> >> sri-cut@...
                            >>>>> >> www.cut.org.br
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> E-joussour
                            >>>>> >> www.e-joussour.net
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Encuentros Hemisféricos contra el ALCA
                            >>>>> >> joel@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> ENDA
                            >>>>> >> taoufik@...
                            >>>>> >> www.enda.sn
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Euralat
                            >>>>> >> Criera@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Euromarches
                            >>>>> >> euromarches@...
                            >>>>> >> www.euromarches.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> FAMES
                            >>>>> >> rabia@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Frente Continental de Organizações Comunitárias (FECOC)
                            >>>>> >> mlongoria@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Federación Mundial de Juventudes Democráticas
                            >>>>> >> wfdy@...
                            >>>>> >> www.wfdy.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Féderation démocratique internationale des femmes (FDIF)
                            >>>>> >> fdif@...
                            >>>>> >> www.fdif.eu.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Fundación per la Pau/International Peace Bureau (IPB)
                            >>>>> >> mailbox@...
                            >>>>> >> www.ipb.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Food First International Action Network (FIAN)
                            >>>>> >> fian@...
                            >>>>> >> www.fian.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Federeação Internacional Direitos Humanos (FIDH)
                            >>>>> >> rsanchez@...
                            >>>>> >> www.fidh.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Freedom Legality And Rights in Europe (FLARE)
                            >>>>> >> info@...
                            >>>>> >> www.flarenetwork.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Focus on the Global South
                            >>>>> >> admin@...
                            >>>>> >> http://focusweb.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Fondation Frantz Fanon
                            >>>>> >> http://frantzfanonfoundation-fondationfrantzfanon.com/
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Forum des Organisations de Solidarité Internationale issues des
                            >>>>> >> Migrations (FORIM)
                            >>>>> >> forim@...
                            >>>>> >> forim@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Fórum Dakar
                            >>>>> >> Residel.kaolack@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Forum Mondial des Alternatives
                            >>>>> >> ftm@...
                            >>>>> >> www.alternatives-action.org/fma
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Forum of the Poors
                            >>>>> >> fopthai@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Fórum Social Italiano
                            >>>>> >> vagnoleto@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Foundation for Socio-Economic Justice (FSEJ)
                            >>>>> >> fsej@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> General Union of Oil Employees in Southern Iraq
                            >>>>> >> Contact: Farouk M. Sadiq Ismaa'l
                            >>>>> >> 101small@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> GLBT South-South Dialogue
                            >>>>> >> dialogo@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Global Commons Foundation
                            >>>>> >> www.www.globalcommonsfoundation.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Global Exchange
                            >>>>> >> admin@...
                            >>>>> >> www.globalexchange.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Global Policy Network
                            >>>>> >> gpn-listowner@...
                            >>>>> >> www.globalpolicynetwork.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Global Progressive Fórum
                            >>>>> >> info@...
                            >>>>> >> www.globalprogressiveforum.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Grassroots Global Justice
                            >>>>> >> ggj@...
                            >>>>> >> www.ggjalliance.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Greenpeace
                            >>>>> >> greenpeace.brazil@...
                            >>>>> >> http://www.greenpeace.org/
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Grito dos Excluídos
                            >>>>> >> gritoexcluidos@...
                            >>>>> >> www.movimientos.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Grupo de Trabalho Amazônico
                            >>>>> >> www. gta.org.br
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Habitat Internation Coalition
                            >>>>> >> maite.martinez-pardo@...
                            >>>>> >> www.habitat-international-coalition.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Helsinki Citizens Assembly
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Herriak Aske
                            >>>>> >> international@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy (IATP)
                            >>>>> >> khoff@...
                            >>>>> >> www.iatp.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> IBASE
                            >>>>> >> ibase@...
                            >>>>> >> www.ibase.br
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Conselho Internacional de Educação de Adultos (ICAE)
                            >>>>> >> icae@...
                            >>>>> >> http://www.icae.org.uy/spa/sindex.html
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> International Federationof Alternative Trade (IFAT)
                            >>>>> >> info@...
                            >>>>> >> www.ifat.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> International Forum on Globalization (IFG)
                            >>>>> >> ifg@...
                            >>>>> >> www.ifg.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> International Alliance of Habitants
                            >>>>> >> info@...
                            >>>>> >> www.habitants.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> International drama and education association (IDEA)
                            >>>>> >> www.idea-org.net
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> International Gender and Trade Network
                            >>>>> >> secretariat@...
                            >>>>> >> www.igtn.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> International Network of Street Papers (INSP)
                            >>>>> >> l.maclean@...
                            >>>>> >> irn@...
                            >>>>> >> www.irn.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> International Sport and Culture Association (ISCA)
                            >>>>> >> info@...
                            >>>>> >> www.isca-web.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Instituto Paulo Freire
                            >>>>> >> ipf@...
                            >>>>> >> www.paulofreire.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Institut Panos Afrique de l’Ouest (IPAO)
                            >>>>> >> info@...
                            >>>>> >> www.panos-ao.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Inter Press Service (IPS)
                            >>>>> >> kosi@...
                            >>>>> >> www.ips.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Union of Arab Community Based Organisations(Ittijah)
                            >>>>> >> ittijah@...
                            >>>>> >> www.ittijah.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Jubilee South – Asia
                            >>>>> >> vinod.raina@...
                            >>>>> >> www.jubileesouth.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Jubileo South – África
                            >>>>> >> aidc@...
                            >>>>> >> www.jubileesouth.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Jubileu 2000
                            >>>>> >> kitazawa@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Jubileu Sul América Latina
                            >>>>> >> keeneba@...
                            >>>>> >> www.jubileusul.hpg.com.br
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> KCTU - Korean Confederation of Trade Unions
                            >>>>> >> inter@...
                            >>>>> >> www.kctu.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Kenya Debt Network
                            >>>>> >> sodnet@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> KOPA
                            >>>>> >> kopa@...
                            >>>>> >> http://antiwto.jinbo.net/eroom/index.html
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Kurdish Network
                            >>>>> >> kurdishnetwork@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Land Research Action Network
                            >>>>> >> wellington@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> May First/People Link
                            >>>>> >> info@...
                            >>>>> >> www.mayfirst.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Movimento dos Trabalhadores Sem Terra (MST)
                            >>>>> >> srimst@...
                            >>>>> >> www.mst.org.br
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Narmada
                            >>>>> >> subbu@...
                            >>>>> >> www.narmada.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> National Network of Autonomous Women’s Groups
                            >>>>> >> shahnandita@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Network Institute for Global Democratization (NIGD)
                            >>>>> >> katarina@...
                            >>>>> >> www.nigd.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> No Vox International
                            >>>>> >> no-vox@...
                            >>>>> >> www.no-vox.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> North-South Centre
                            >>>>> >> Fifi.BENABOUD@...
                            >>>>> >> www.coe.int/T/E/North-South_Centre
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Continental Organization of Latin America and Caribbean Students
                            >>>>> (OCLAE)
                            >>>>> >> oclae@...
                            >>>>> >> www.oclae.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Organization of African Trade Unions Unity
                            >>>>> >> oatuu@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Organização Regional Interamericana de Trabalhadores (ORIT)
                            >>>>> >> info@...
                            >>>>> >> www.orit-ciosl.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Organization de la Jeunesse Africaine
                            >>>>> >> http://www.ojafrique.org/
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> OXFAM Internacional
                            >>>>> >> information@...
                            >>>>> >> www.oxfam.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Palestinian grassroots Anti-Apartheid Wall Campaign
                            >>>>> >> mobilize@...
                            >>>>> >> www.stopthewall.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Peace Boat
                            >>>>> >> y-nami@...
                            >>>>> >> www.peaceboat.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Peoples Health Movement
                            >>>>> >> secretariat@...
                            >>>>> >> http://www.phmovement.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Plataforma Interamericana de Derechos Humanos, Democracia y
                            >>>>> Desarrollo
                            >>>>> >> regional@...
                            >>>>> >> www.pidhdd.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> PPEHRC – Poor People’s Economic Human Rights Campaign
                            >>>>> >> kwru@...
                            >>>>> >> www.economichumanrights.org
                            >>>>> >> www.kwru.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Projeto K
                            >>>>> >> Salvatore.cannavo@...
                            >>>>> >> ilpanelerose@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Public Citizen
                            >>>>> >> tgerson@...
                            >>>>> >> www.citizen.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Red Latinoamericana Mulheres Transformando a Economia
                            >>>>> >> mleon@...
                            >>>>> >> remte@...
                            >>>>> >> http://movimientos.org/remte
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Rede APM – Agricultures paysannes, sociétés et mondialisation
                            >>>>> >> pvuarin@...
                            >>>>> >> www.zooide.com/apm
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Rede CONSEU (Conferencia de Naciones sin Estado de Europa)
                            >>>>> >> activitats@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Rede Dawn de Mulheres
                            >>>>> >> dawn@...
                            >>>>> >> www.dawn.org.fj
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Rede de Solidariedade Ásia Pacífico
                            >>>>> >> intl@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Rede Latino-Americana e Caribenha de Mulheres Negras
                            >>>>> >> criola@...
                            >>>>> >> www.criola.ong.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Rede Mulher e Habitat
                            >>>>> >> gem@...
                            >>>>> >> http://www.redmujer.org.ar
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Rede Mundial de Mulheres pelos Direitos Reprodutivos
                            >>>>> >> office@...
                            >>>>> >> www.wgnrr.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Rede Palestina de ONGs
                            >>>>> >> bisanrd@...
                            >>>>> >> www.pngo.net
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Rede Social de Justiça e Direitos Humanos
                            >>>>> >> rede@...
                            >>>>> >> www.social.org.br
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Rede Transforme!
                            >>>>> >> elgauthi@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Redes Socioeconomia Solidaria
                            >>>>> >> creintjes@...
                            >>>>> >> www.reasnet.com
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Rede de Educação Popular entre Mulheres (REPEM)
                            >>>>> >> repem@...
                            >>>>> >> www.repem.org.uy
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Réseau Ouest Africain des Alternatives pour le Developpement (ROAD)
                            >>>>> >> jubilecad-mali@..., barryaminatou@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Southern Initiative on Globalisation and Trade Union Rights (SIGTUR)
                            >>>>> >> rlambert@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Social Movement Indaba
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Social Watch
                            >>>>> >> socwatch@...
                            >>>>> >> www.socialwatch.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Social Development Network (SODNET)
                            >>>>> >> sodnet@...
                            >>>>> >> http://www.sodnet.or.ke
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Solidar
                            >>>>> >> solidar@...
                            >>>>> >> www.solidar.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Solidarity Africa Network in Action
                            >>>>> >> njoki@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> The International Federation Terre des Hommes (IFTDH)
                            >>>>> >> info@...
                            >>>>> >> www.terredeshommes.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Transnational Information Exchange (TIE)
                            >>>>> >> tie@...
                            >>>>> >> http://www.tie-brasil.org/tie.php
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Transnational Institute (TNI)
                            >>>>> >> tni@...
                            >>>>> >> www.tni.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Third World Network (TWN)
                            >>>>> >> twn@...
                            >>>>> >> www.twnside.org.sg
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> UBUNTU - Foro Mundial de Redes de la Sociedad Civil
                            >>>>> >> ubuntu@...
                            >>>>> >> www.ubuntu.upc.es
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Union Internacional de Estudiantes
                            >>>>> >> ius@...
                            >>>>> >> www.ius-uie.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam Network
                            >>>>> >> vk-finland@...
                            >>>>> >> www.democracydialogues.org/
                            >>>>> >> www.demokratiafoorumi.fi/wsf.html
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Via Campesina
                            >>>>> >> viacam@...
                            >>>>> >> http://ns.rds.org.hn/via/
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> World Association of Community Radio Broadcasters (Amarc)
                            >>>>> >> amarc@...
                            >>>>> >> http://www.amarc.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> World March of Women
                            >>>>> >> www.ffq.qc.ca/marche2000/en/index.html
                            >>>>> >> dmatte@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Zanzibar International Film Festival Of Dhow
                            >>>>> >> Contato: Fatma ALLOO
                            >>>>> >> falloo@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Znet
                            >>>>> >> sysop@...
                            >>>>> >> www.zmag.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Observadores
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Mundial de Educação
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Africano
                            >>>>> >> taoufik@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Américas
                            >>>>> >> fsmcontinental@...
                            >>>>> >> www.forosocialamericas.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Europeu
                            >>>>> >> wsf@...
                            >>>>> >> www.fse-esf.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Mediterrâneo
                            >>>>> >> activitats@...
                            >>>>> >> fsmedi@...
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social de Migrações
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Pan-Amazônico
                            >>>>> >> cri-pmb@...
                            >>>>> >> www.fspanamazonico.com.br
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Tematico: Democracia, Direitos
                            >>>>> >> Humanos, Guerras e Narcotráfico
                            >>>>> >> forosocialtematico@...
                            >>>>> >> www.fsmt.org.co
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Funders Network on Trade & Globalization (FNTG)
                            >>>>> >> mark@...
                            >>>>> >> www.fntg.org
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> Fórum Social São Paulo
                            >>>>> >> http://forumsocialsp.org.br
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >>
                            >>>>> >> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Gustavo Massiah <
                            >>>>> massiah@...>
                            >>>>> >> wrote:
                            >>>>> >> >
                            >>>>> >> > Dear Wilhermina
                            >>>>> >> >
                            >>>>> >> > we are with you in solidarity
                            >>>>> >> > and with all the workers of striking mine
                            >>>>> >> >
                            >>>>> >> > we are sure that social justice will be on the road of this
                            >>>>> fundamental
                            >>>>> >> > struggle
                            >>>>> >> >
                            >>>>> >> > In solidarity
                            >>>>> >> >
                            >>>>> >> > gustave massiah
                            >>>>> >> > representative of CRID at the IC of WSF
                            >>>>> >> >
                            >>>>> >> >
                            >>>>> >> >
                            >>>>> >> >
                            >>>>> >> >
                            >>>>> >> >
                            >>>>> >> > Le 21/08/2012 16:51, Wilhelmina Trout WMW a écrit :
                            >>>>> >> >
                            >>>>> >> > Dear Gina
                            >>>>> >> > my sincerest apologies for not being present these past days in
                            >>>>> these
                            >>>>> >> > discussions, after my last task of sending you my notes.  Thank
                            >>>>> you for
                            >>>>> >> > taking over & carrying the load.
                            >>>>> >> >
                            >>>>> >> > I am sure you, with the rest of the world, witnessed the recent
                            >>>>> killings
                            >>>>> >> > of
                            >>>>> >> > striking mine workers at the Lonmin Mine here in Marikane, it has
                            >>>>> >> > shocked
                            >>>>> >> > the world & here in South Africa we are trying to come to grips
                            >>>>> with the
                            >>>>> >> > loss of lives and to make sense of this brutality.
                            >>>>> >> >
                            >>>>> >> > But for now I will follow the discussions & continue participating
                            >>>>> >> > actively
                            >>>>> >> > in the group shortly.
                            >>>>> >> >
                            >>>>> >> > In solidarity
                            >>>>> >> > wilhelmina
                            >>>>> >> >
                            >>>>> >> > On 20 August 2012 22:41, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote:
                            >>>>> >> >>
                            >>>>> >> >>  dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please
                            >>>>> respond as
                            >>>>> >> >> soon as posible
                            >>>>> >> >>
                            >>>>> >> >> amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado;
                            >>>>> por favor
                            >>>>> >> >> respondan pronto
                            >>>>> >> >>
                            >>>>> >> >>
                            >>>>> >> >> Gina
                            >>>>> >> >>
                            >>>>> >> >>
                            >>>>> >> >> 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> (Inglès: ver abajo)
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo!
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas
                            >>>>> reacciones
                            >>>>> >> >>> que
                            >>>>> >> >>> suscita.
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos
                            >>>>> propuestas:
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> -          El protocol
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> -          El plan de trabajo
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere
                            >>>>> decir.
                            >>>>> >> >>> El
                            >>>>> >> >>> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de
                            >>>>> nuestro
                            >>>>> >> >>> grupo?
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las
                            >>>>> >> >>> responsabilidades?
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos
                            >>>>> grupos,
                            >>>>> >> >>> seria
                            >>>>> >> >>> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar.
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege
                            >>>>> tienen
                            >>>>> >> >>> razon.
                            >>>>> >> >>> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas
                            >>>>> las
                            >>>>> >> >>> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los
                            >>>>> miembros
                            >>>>> >> >>> del CI
                            >>>>> >> >>> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones,
                            >>>>> seria un
                            >>>>> >> >>> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo
                            >>>>> dudo …
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo
                            >>>>> tendrian que
                            >>>>> >> >>> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos?
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario?
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar …
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> Esperando las noticias.
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> Francine
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done.
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about
                            >>>>> the lack
                            >>>>> >> >>> of
                            >>>>> >> >>> reactions …
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two
                            >>>>> proposals:
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> -          Protocol
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> -          A working plan
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of
                            >>>>> the
                            >>>>> >> >>> ‘rules of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect?
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with
                            >>>>> >> >>> responsibilities?
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different
                            >>>>> >> >>> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we
                            >>>>> have
                            >>>>> >> >>> to
                            >>>>> >> >>> avoid, I think.
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and
                            >>>>> Liege are
                            >>>>> >> >>> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if
                            >>>>> all
                            >>>>> >> >>> messages
                            >>>>> >> >>> go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there
                            >>>>> also is a
                            >>>>> >> >>> need
                            >>>>> >> >>> for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it
                            >>>>> coule be a
                            >>>>> >> >>> kind
                            >>>>> >> >>> of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in
                            >>>>> writing …
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the
                            >>>>> working-group to
                            >>>>> >> >>> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with
                            >>>>> >> >>> priority?
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire?
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help …
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> Waiting for more news,
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> Francine
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...]
                            >>>>> >> >>> Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01
                            >>>>> >> >>> Aan: wg-about-future@...
                            >>>>> >> >>> Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro
                            >>>>> trabajo.
                            >>>>> >> >>> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar.
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can
                            >>>>> continue
                            >>>>> >> >>> working.  Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to
                            >>>>> work.
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I
                            >>>>> have
                            >>>>> >> >>> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of
                            >>>>> you that
                            >>>>> >> >>> know
                            >>>>> >> >>> both can check?
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> besos
                            >>>>> >> >>> Gina
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves
                            >>>>> de
                            >>>>> >> >>> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this
                            >>>>> list.
                            >>>>> >> >>> This is a prove to see if it functions.
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>> Gina
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
                            >>>>> >> >>>
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                            • Re: Re: confirmando que funciona

                              from gina on Aug 29, 2012 01:16 PM
                              español abaajo
                              Dear Jason, if yu read my letter (maybe my english is not so clear on
                              that?) the idea was that these persons are not the onlyones in the groups,
                              but people from the working group that are interesret  to contribute in
                              some of them, has to do it, so please feel free to do so and I hope you can
                              do it. Many of your criticisms are valid, but just now is the moment to
                              come to see what we do with it; we can wait to have a perfect alternative,
                              but time goes and reactions are not there.
                              
                              The other thing is that your question if there is a need of a communication
                              group, I beleive that we certainly do, and it will be great is you can take
                              charge of organizaing it, as part of theis process of reviewing and
                              changing.
                              warme regads
                              Gina
                              
                              Querido Jason, si lees mi carta con atencion -quiza mi mal ingles no es muy
                              claro- la idea es que las personas que estan en los grupos sean el primer
                              referente para ehcarlos a andar y que otras personas del grupo de trabajo
                              se unan , asi que sientete libre por favor de unirte al que mas te
                              interesa.. Muchas de tus criticas son validas, pero ahora es el momento de
                              ver que hacer con estas y otras criticas; podemos esperr hasta tener una
                              alternativa pèrfecta, pero el tiempo pasa y las reacciones no estan.
                              
                              Lo otro es que sobre tu pregunta si necesitamos un grupo de comunicacion
                              para las tareas que mencionas, ciertamente si,  y seria regio si tu puedes
                              encvargarte de organizarlo , comop parte de este esfuerzo de revisar y
                              cambiar.
                              
                              con carño
                              
                              Gina
                              
                              2012/8/28 Jason Nardi <jason.nardi@...>
                              
                              > Dear Helio,
                              >
                              > I was about to answer your message when I read your email about you
                              > leaving the office.  I am sorry about this, really.  And as you recall in
                              > our last conversation in Monastir, I totally agreed with you about you
                              > being left alone, which I think was quite irresponsible - especially since
                              > we've been discussing this situation for a long time and even the few
                              > proposals that had been made (such as contributions by IC members and from
                              > Organising Committees) where not followed up.
                              >
                              > I also want to excuse myself if the tone of my previous message was too
                              > harsh or polemic.  And sounded like a personal issue.  My frustration comes
                              > from the fact that we continue to repeat the same dynamics, leading to a
                              > standstill and de facto non collaboration, for what reason I still don't
                              > undertand.  The specific case I was addressing is about working on the
                              > website for 2013 as a project to renew the whole institutional website,
                              > sharing those parts (such as registration of participants, memory,
                              > multimedia, etc) which are common and making it a collaborative site, so it
                              > can be co-designed and co-edited by more people - and not be the sole
                              > responsibility of a person or two in an "office" (no irony intended).
                              >  We've shared this in the IC (Hamouda, for instance, repeated it in several
                              > occasions) and created groups (well, Pierre created groups...) with the
                              > people who are concretely working on it.  Who said they were waiting to
                              > have from the Office the domain they could use to work on it (eg.
                              > fsm2013.forumsocialmundial.org). And are still waiting.  So who is
                              > supposed to decide on this very specific matter? Shouldn't it be a group
                              > (of the IC) dedicated to communication issues?
                              >
                              > Many attempts as Communication commission  to share responsibilities in a
                              > collaborative way have been made in the past with your previous collegues
                              > (discussions and documents where generated, trying to list tasks to be
                              > shared and preserve the independence and professional work done by office
                              > staff) - but this is history and besides the point.
                              >
                              > The point is: who has to take certain decisions and where does the
                              > collective responsibility of the IC as such lie?  Who is accountable to
                              > whom?  And what forms of collaboration can be concretely practice and which
                              > are really viable?  How much is it a matter of financial issues and how
                              > much of "control"?
                              >
                              > The Liason Group was supposed to be a solution - it ended up creating more
                              > problems.  And now that most of its members were supposed to be renewed, no
                              > real assessment was done, and what happened in Monastir seemed to be a way
                              > to delay and defer again any possible different solution.  I already
                              > expressed myself publicly about this.
                              >
                              > The Forum process has an incredible potential, and whenever it has been
                              > adopted in different contexts it has help dynamise and aggregate.  But it
                              > has to evolve as it grows and moves, as the context changes, as some actors
                              > get "tired" and others perceive a closure; it needs to include new
                              > instances, change its dynamics, and become less improvised and more
                              > accountable.  Learn from other "processes" - without making a myth out of
                              > them (occupy movement, for eg) - but especially, try not to repeat the same
                              > errors again and again.
                              >
                              > So if this working group (with 4 sub-groups of 1-2 people each??!!) wants
                              > to really explore how to get out of this mess in a creative, re-energizing,
                              > concrete and accountable way, I think it needs not just to theorize about
                              > the future, but to look at concrete ways to mobilise, clear the minimal
                              > rules and methods of participation in the IC (which IS a responsibility and
                              > not just another venue to meet each other - so non participant members
                              > should no longer be members).  And find how to give continuity to a
                              > process, by renewing itself each time as the relay passes from one
                              > organising committee to the next (where the "office" could be based) and
                              > being very public and transparent (recording the meetings and making them
                              > available on the website; have "instant reports"; publish accounts; declare
                              > who is responsible for what).
                              >
                              > So... what next?
                              >
                              > Gina - thanks for your work.  If I understand correctly, the task for each
                              > "sub-group" is to issue a document as a basis for further reflection on the
                              > different aspects.  That is fine -- can it be done with collaborative
                              > "public" tools, instead of just exchanging versions on a mailing list?
                              > Openfsm "wiki" is available and as of today holds the "memory" of many
                              > discussions, documents, guidelines, etc. But there are many other tools out
                              > there... (and the "Occupy"ers are making an incredible use of them).
                              >
                              > I would add something I had already suggested for the post-Dakar
                              > evaluation, which involved asking all organisations and participants of the
                              > forum process to give their ideas, expectations, proposals, through a
                              > (simple) questionnaire - not just, but of course also, the IC members.  To
                              > do this, we'd need to use the newsletter database and - possibly - the
                              > database of the Dakar forum.  The questionnaire can be done online, in
                              > several languages.  It doesn't take a huge technical effort.  And we had
                              > already worked on it and agreed last year (I just re-read a few emails
                              > about it).  But then it wasn't done [why?] - and we only received a few
                              > answers from IC members.
                              >
                              > [And please, Giuseppe, lets not repeat the discussion on open space
                              > methodology and questionnaires... ;-) ]
                              >
                              > Then of course - if successful - we'll have a lot of useful elements which
                              > can inform and stimulate and help the preparation of a more grounded debate
                              > in the next IC.
                              >
                              > I've been long (not as much as Francine and Chico), so I'll cut it here.
                              >
                              > Helio - I wish you the very best and hope you stay in touch.
                              >
                              > ciao
                              > Jason
                              >
                              > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Escritorio FSM - Helio <
                              > escritorio@...> wrote:
                              >
                              >> Dear Jason,
                              >>
                              >> As you might remember, the person so far responsable for the website no
                              >> longer works in the office since january - and NO SINGLE solution or
                              >> alternative was taken to replace her or think on another way of managing
                              >> the institutional communication (as well as many other tasks...). It is
                              >> completely out of sense to think that a complex process like the WSF and
                              >> the IC dynamics could be supported by an office composed by one only
                              >> person, with almost no collaboration from the process itself - except from
                              >> a few but active people from the IC that have been trying hard to give me a
                              >> hand and accomplish the tasks.
                              >>
                              >> The IC is in a moment of deep reflexion to reestructure itself, and
                              >> certainly the role and responsabilities of the office should be an issue on
                              >> its agenda - so, in this sense, I completely agree with you that the issue
                              >> of who is responsable for what should again be brought up. What I dont
                              >> understand at all in your message is the phrase "apparenty we cannot
                              >> proceed unless "the office" says ok..." - what kind of "ok" should "the
                              >> office" adress to you or any instance of the process? (I dont understant
                              >> either what these quotation marks means... are they only for ironic
                              >> purposes?). Does it make any sense externalizing responsabilities instead
                              >> of recognizing the difficulties that all instances of the IC have, due to
                              >> different reasons (and these are not only because of financial problems),
                              >> of achieving its goals? So, please, lets work in the same sense of
                              >> collective responsabilities that the WSF proclains, trying to bring up
                              >> solutions and alternatives to the problems we *collectively* face -
                              >>  specially the issue of the website, which necessity of renewal has been
                              >> pointed by all my communicators-colleagues in the office several times
                              >> (Thaís, Vânia, Mariana, Thiago...), but again no solution was taken by the
                              >> IC. It is not a surprise that no one works for a long period in the
                              >> office...
                              >>
                              >> all the best,
                              >>
                              >> --
                              >> Hélio Menezes
                              >> WSF Office / Escritório do FSM
                              >> +55 11 3258 8914
                              >> www.forumsocialmundial.org.br
                              >>
                              >> 2012/8/27 Giuseppe Caruso <giu.caruso@...>
                              >>
                              >>> Gina, thank you! i think this is perfect to start and i'm thrilled by
                              >>> the chance to work with winod and whoever wishes to join in!
                              >>>
                              >>> how long do we wait for people to join the four subgroups?
                              >>>
                              >>> gina gracias! esto me parece perfecto para iniciar y me encanta la idea
                              >>> de trabajar con vinod y cualquier persona mas!
                              >>>
                              >>> cual va a ser el tiempo adecuado para que tod@s se junten a los cuatro
                              >>> grupos?
                              >>>
                              >>> abrazos
                              >>> g
                              >>>
                              >>>
                              >>> On 27 August 2012 05:23, gina vargas <ginvargas@...> wrote:
                              >>>
                              >>>>
                              >>>> Please see the attachments and we comunicate soon!
                              >>>> We have to organise also a team for  traslation.!
                              >>>>
                              >>>> Por favor lean los adjuntos y nos comunicamos pronto
                              >>>> Y tenemos que organizar un equipo de traduccion!
                              >>>>
                              >>>> Gina
                              >>>>
                              >>>>
                              >>>>
                              >>>>
                              >>>> 2012/8/22 Jason Nardi <jason.nardi@...>
                              >>>>
                              >>>>> Hi Rita,
                              >>>>>
                              >>>>> I know... that's why also the institutional website badly needs to be
                              >>>>> updated altogether and we are waiting for some signal of life from Helio...
                              >>>>>  since we already have discussed for a long time in the communication
                              >>>>> commission - as you know - to have a new portal website, collecting
                              >>>>> together all the functions and information needed for a modern
                              >>>>> communication.  But apparently we cannot proceed unless "the office" says
                              >>>>> ok...
                              >>>>> Which brings up the issue of who is responsible for what and who takes
                              >>>>> decisions of this sort (I have raised this countless times in the IC).
                              >>>>>
                              >>>>> But I don't want to be polemic here ;-)
                              >>>>>
                              >>>>> ciao
                              >>>>> Jason
                              >>>>>
                              >>>>>
                              >>>>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:57 PM, rita freire <ritafreir@...>wrote:
                              >>>>>
                              >>>>>> Jason
                              >>>>>> This list is not mine, it is the list open in the institutional
                              >>>>>> website, wich needs to be updated
                              >>>>>> Rita
                              >>>>>>
                              >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Jason Nardi <jason.nardi@...>
                              >>>>>> wrote:
                              >>>>>> > Dear all,
                              >>>>>> >
                              >>>>>> > I've been following and read most of the messages up to now. I
                              >>>>>> haven't had
                              >>>>>> > time to write my contribution yet (I just came back from my summer
                              >>>>>> > vacation).  But I'm happy to see that something is moving...
                              >>>>>> >
                              >>>>>> > I like Sara's approach and agree that we should have more frequent
                              >>>>>> online
                              >>>>>> > meetings.
                              >>>>>> >
                              >>>>>> > Rita - the list you sent is old, in fact very old.  Is it possible
                              >>>>>> to have
                              >>>>>> > an updated one?  In a short time?
                              >>>>>> >
                              >>>>>> > ciao from a very warm Italy
                              >>>>>> > Jason
                              >>>>>> >
                              >>>>>> > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:59 PM, rita freire <ritafreir@...>
                              >>>>>> wrote:
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Agree
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Also the list of the IC  members/organizations in this group,
                              >>>>>> >> If it can help, bellow you find the list of members of the IC
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Rita
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> 50 Years is Enough!
                              >>>>>> >> 50years@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.50years.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Associação Brasileira de ONGs (ABONG)
                              >>>>>> >> abong@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.abong.org.br
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Action Aid International (AAI)
                              >>>>>> >> mail.jhb@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.actionaid.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU)
                              >>>>>> >> mailbox@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.actu.asn.au
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> American Federation of Labor-Congress of Industrial Organizations
                              >>>>>> >> (AFL-CIO)
                              >>>>>> >> feedback@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.aflcio.org/home.htm
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Africa Trade Network
                              >>>>>> >> aidc@...
                              >>>>>> >> http://africatradenetwork.com
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Alternative Information on Development Center (AIDC)
                              >>>>>> >> aidc@...
                              >>>>>> >> http://aidc.org.za
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Agencia Latinoamericana de Información (AIDC)
                              >>>>>> >> info@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.alainet.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Associação Latino Americana de Pequenos e Médios Empresários
                              >>>>>> (ALAMPYME)
                              >>>>>> >> apyme@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.apyme.com.ar
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Aliança Por Um Mundo Responsável e Solidário
                              >>>>>> >> lille@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.alliance21.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> All Arab Peasants & Agricultural Co-operatives Union
                              >>>>>> >> F76arab@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Associação Latino Americana de Organismos de Promoção (ALOP)
                              >>>>>> >> info@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.alop.or.cr
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Alternatives Information Center
                              >>>>>> >> yahni@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.alternativenews.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Alternatives
                              >>>>>> >> alternatives@...< /a>
                              >>>>>> >> www.alternatives.ca
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Alternative International
                              >>>>>> >> www.alternatives.ca
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Alternatives Rússia
                              >>>>>> >> dhrr@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Amigos da Terra/Friends of the Earth
                              >>>>>> >> foe@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.foei.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> APRODEV
                              >>>>>> >> aprodev@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.aprodev.net
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Arab NGO Network for Development
                              >>>>>> >> annd@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.annd.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Asian Regional Exchange for New Alternatives (ARENA)
                              >>>>>> >> arena@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.asianexchange.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Articulación Feminista Marco Sur
                              >>>>>> >> mujeresdelsur@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.mujeresdelsur.org.uy
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Aliança Social Continental (ASC)
                              >>>>>> >> sri_cut@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.ascahsa.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Asemblea de los Pueblos del Caribe (APC)
                              >>>>>> >> habitatcarib@..., pedroarg@...
                              >>>>>> >> http://movimientos.org/caribe/
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Assemblée Europeenne dês Citoyens
                              >>>>>> >> cedetim@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.cedetim.org/AEC
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Assembléia das Nações Unidas dos Povos
                              >>>>>> >> flavio@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Associação para o Progresso das Comunicações
                              >>>>>> >> anriette@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.apc.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> ATTAC- Brasil
                              >>>>>> >> attacsaopaulo@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.attac.org/brasil
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> ATTAC France
                              >>>>>> >> attac@...
                              >>>>>> >> http://attac.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Babels
                              >>>>>> >> wsfsm@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Bankwatch Network
                              >>>>>> >> jozseff@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.bankwatch.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Comité pour l’Annulation de la Dette du Tiers Monde (CADTM)
                              >>>>>> >> cadtm@...
                              >>>>>> >> http://users.skynet.be/cadtm
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Canadian Council
                              >>>>>> >> Jdunn@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Coordinación Andina de Organizaciones Indigenas (CAOI)
                              >>>>>> >> coordinadorandinacaoi@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.minkandina.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Caritas Internacionalis
                              >>>>>> >> caritas.internationalis@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.caritas.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Comissão Brasileira de Justiça e Paz (CBJP )
                              >>>>>> >> intercom@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.cbjp.org.br
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Consejo de Educación de Adultos de América Latina (CEAAL)
                              >>>>>> >> ceaal@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.ceaal.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> CEDAR Internacional
                              >>>>>> >> cedar@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.cedarinternational.net
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Centre dEtudes et d Initiatives de Solidarité Internationale
                              >>>>>> (CEDETIM)
                              >>>>>> >> cedetim@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.cedetim.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Central de Trabajadores Argentinos
                              >>>>>> >> cta@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.cta.org.ar
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> European Trade Union Confederation (CES)
                              >>>>>> >> etuc@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.etuc.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> CETRI
                              >>>>>> >> cetri@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.cetri.be
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> CIDSE
                              >>>>>> >> postmaster@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.cidse.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Confederação Internacional de Organizações Sindicais Livres (CIOSL)
                              >>>>>> >> internetpo@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.cioslorit.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Ciranda Internacional da Comunicação Compatilhada
                              >>>>>> >> ciranda@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.ciranda.net
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> CIVES
                              >>>>>> >> cives@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.cives.org.br
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Conselho Latino Americano de Ciências Sociais (CLACSO)
                              >>>>>> >> clacsofsm@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.clacso.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Canadian Labour Congress (CLC)
                              >>>>>> >> sbenedict@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.clc-ctc.ca
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Confederação Mundial do Trabalho (CMT)
                              >>>>>> >> info@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.cmt-wcl.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Coalición Internacional para el Hábitat
                              >>>>>> >> hic-al@...
                              >>>>>> >> http://www.hic-net.org/
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Coligação para a Justiça Econômica
                              >>>>>> >> viriatot@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Convergência de los Movimientos de los Pueblos de las Américas
                              >>>>>> (COMPA)
                              >>>>>> >> colectivoredom_@...
                              >>>>>> >> rgf@...
                              >>>>>> >> http://www.sitiocompa.org/compa/index.php
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> CONAIE
                              >>>>>> >> info@...
                              >>>>>> >> http://conaie.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Congresso Nacional Indígena do México
                              >>>>>> >> ceatl@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Conselho Mundial de Igrejas
                              >>>>>> >> info@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.wcc-coe.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Coordenación del Foro “El Otro Davos”
                              >>>>>> >> Page2@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Coordenadora de Centrais Sindicais do Cone Sul
                              >>>>>> >> eduardof@...
                              >>>>>> >> http://www.sindicatomercosul.com.br/
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Corpwatch
                              >>>>>> >> corpwatch@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.corpwatch.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Congress of South African Trade Unions (COSATU)
                              >>>>>> >> cosatu@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.cosatu.org.za
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Centre de Recherche et d´Information pour le Développment (CRID)
                              >>>>>> >> info@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.crid.asso.fr
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Confederación Sindical Internacional (CSI)
                              >>>>>> >> claire.courteille@...
                              >>>>>> >> http://www.ituc-csi.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Central Única dos Trabalhadores (CUT)
                              >>>>>> >> sri-cut@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.cut.org.br
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> E-joussour
                              >>>>>> >> www.e-joussour.net
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Encuentros Hemisféricos contra el ALCA
                              >>>>>> >> joel@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> ENDA
                              >>>>>> >> taoufik@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.enda.sn
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Euralat
                              >>>>>> >> Criera@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Euromarches
                              >>>>>> >> euromarches@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.euromarches.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> FAMES
                              >>>>>> >> rabia@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Frente Continental de Organizações Comunitárias (FECOC)
                              >>>>>> >> mlongoria@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Federación Mundial de Juventudes Democráticas
                              >>>>>> >> wfdy@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.wfdy.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Féderation démocratique internationale des femmes (FDIF)
                              >>>>>> >> fdif@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.fdif.eu.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Fundación per la Pau/International Peace Bureau (IPB)
                              >>>>>> >> mailbox@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.ipb.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Food First International Action Network (FIAN)
                              >>>>>> >> fian@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.fian.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Federeação Internacional Direitos Humanos (FIDH)
                              >>>>>> >> rsanchez@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.fidh.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Freedom Legality And Rights in Europe (FLARE)
                              >>>>>> >> info@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.flarenetwork.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Focus on the Global South
                              >>>>>> >> admin@...
                              >>>>>> >> http://focusweb.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Fondation Frantz Fanon
                              >>>>>> >> http://frantzfanonfoundation-fondationfrantzfanon.com/
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Forum des Organisations de Solidarité Internationale issues des
                              >>>>>> >> Migrations (FORIM)
                              >>>>>> >> forim@...
                              >>>>>> >> forim@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Fórum Dakar
                              >>>>>> >> Residel.kaolack@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Forum Mondial des Alternatives
                              >>>>>> >> ftm@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.alternatives-action.org/fma
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Forum of the Poors
                              >>>>>> >> fopthai@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Fórum Social Italiano
                              >>>>>> >> vagnoleto@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Foundation for Socio-Economic Justice (FSEJ)
                              >>>>>> >> fsej@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> General Union of Oil Employees in Southern Iraq
                              >>>>>> >> Contact: Farouk M. Sadiq Ismaa'l
                              >>>>>> >> 101small@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> GLBT South-South Dialogue
                              >>>>>> >> dialogo@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Global Commons Foundation
                              >>>>>> >> www.www.globalcommonsfoundation.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Global Exchange
                              >>>>>> >> admin@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.globalexchange.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Global Policy Network
                              >>>>>> >> gpn-listowner@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.globalpolicynetwork.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Global Progressive Fórum
                              >>>>>> >> info@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.globalprogressiveforum.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Grassroots Global Justice
                              >>>>>> >> ggj@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.ggjalliance.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Greenpeace
                              >>>>>> >> greenpeace.brazil@...
                              >>>>>> >> http://www.greenpeace.org/
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Grito dos Excluídos
                              >>>>>> >> gritoexcluidos@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.movimientos.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Grupo de Trabalho Amazônico
                              >>>>>> >> www. gta.org.br
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Habitat Internation Coalition
                              >>>>>> >> maite.martinez-pardo@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.habitat-international-coalition.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Helsinki Citizens Assembly
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Herriak Aske
                              >>>>>> >> international@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy (IATP)
                              >>>>>> >> khoff@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.iatp.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> IBASE
                              >>>>>> >> ibase@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.ibase.br
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Conselho Internacional de Educação de Adultos (ICAE)
                              >>>>>> >> icae@...
                              >>>>>> >> http://www.icae.org.uy/spa/sindex.html
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> International Federationof Alternative Trade (IFAT)
                              >>>>>> >> info@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.ifat.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> International Forum on Globalization (IFG)
                              >>>>>> >> ifg@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.ifg.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> International Alliance of Habitants
                              >>>>>> >> info@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.habitants.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> International drama and education association (IDEA)
                              >>>>>> >> www.idea-org.net
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> International Gender and Trade Network
                              >>>>>> >> secretariat@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.igtn.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> International Network of Street Papers (INSP)
                              >>>>>> >> l.maclean@...
                              >>>>>> >> irn@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.irn.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> International Sport and Culture Association (ISCA)
                              >>>>>> >> info@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.isca-web.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Instituto Paulo Freire
                              >>>>>> >> ipf@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.paulofreire.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Institut Panos Afrique de l’Ouest (IPAO)
                              >>>>>> >> info@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.panos-ao.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Inter Press Service (IPS)
                              >>>>>> >> kosi@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.ips.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Union of Arab Community Based Organisations(Ittijah)
                              >>>>>> >> ittijah@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.ittijah.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Jubilee South – Asia
                              >>>>>> >> vinod.raina@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.jubileesouth.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Jubileo South – África
                              >>>>>> >> aidc@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.jubileesouth.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Jubileu 2000
                              >>>>>> >> kitazawa@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Jubileu Sul América Latina
                              >>>>>> >> keeneba@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.jubileusul.hpg.com.br
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> KCTU - Korean Confederation of Trade Unions
                              >>>>>> >> inter@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.kctu.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Kenya Debt Network
                              >>>>>> >> sodnet@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> KOPA
                              >>>>>> >> kopa@...
                              >>>>>> >> http://antiwto.jinbo.net/eroom/index.html
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Kurdish Network
                              >>>>>> >> kurdishnetwork@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Land Research Action Network
                              >>>>>> >> wellington@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> May First/People Link
                              >>>>>> >> info@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.mayfirst.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Movimento dos Trabalhadores Sem Terra (MST)
                              >>>>>> >> srimst@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.mst.org.br
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Narmada
                              >>>>>> >> subbu@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.narmada.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> National Network of Autonomous Women’s Groups
                              >>>>>> >> shahnandita@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Network Institute for Global Democratization (NIGD)
                              >>>>>> >> katarina@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.nigd.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> No Vox International
                              >>>>>> >> no-vox@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.no-vox.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> North-South Centre
                              >>>>>> >> Fifi.BENABOUD@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.coe.int/T/E/North-South_Centre
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Continental Organization of Latin America and Caribbean Students
                              >>>>>> (OCLAE)
                              >>>>>> >> oclae@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.oclae.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Organization of African Trade Unions Unity
                              >>>>>> >> oatuu@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Organização Regional Interamericana de Trabalhadores (ORIT)
                              >>>>>> >> info@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.orit-ciosl.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Organization de la Jeunesse Africaine
                              >>>>>> >> http://www.ojafrique.org/
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> OXFAM Internacional
                              >>>>>> >> information@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.oxfam.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Palestinian grassroots Anti-Apartheid Wall Campaign
                              >>>>>> >> mobilize@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.stopthewall.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Peace Boat
                              >>>>>> >> y-nami@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.peaceboat.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Peoples Health Movement
                              >>>>>> >> secretariat@...
                              >>>>>> >> http://www.phmovement.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Plataforma Interamericana de Derechos Humanos, Democracia y
                              >>>>>> Desarrollo
                              >>>>>> >> regional@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.pidhdd.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> PPEHRC – Poor People’s Economic Human Rights Campaign
                              >>>>>> >> kwru@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.economichumanrights.org
                              >>>>>> >> www.kwru.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Projeto K
                              >>>>>> >> Salvatore.cannavo@...
                              >>>>>> >> ilpanelerose@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Public Citizen
                              >>>>>> >> tgerson@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.citizen.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Red Latinoamericana Mulheres Transformando a Economia
                              >>>>>> >> mleon@...
                              >>>>>> >> remte@...
                              >>>>>> >> http://movimientos.org/remte
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Rede APM – Agricultures paysannes, sociétés et mondialisation
                              >>>>>> >> pvuarin@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.zooide.com/apm
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Rede CONSEU (Conferencia de Naciones sin Estado de Europa)
                              >>>>>> >> activitats@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Rede Dawn de Mulheres
                              >>>>>> >> dawn@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.dawn.org.fj
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Rede de Solidariedade Ásia Pacífico
                              >>>>>> >> intl@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Rede Latino-Americana e Caribenha de Mulheres Negras
                              >>>>>> >> criola@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.criola.ong.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Rede Mulher e Habitat
                              >>>>>> >> gem@...
                              >>>>>> >> http://www.redmujer.org.ar
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Rede Mundial de Mulheres pelos Direitos Reprodutivos
                              >>>>>> >> office@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.wgnrr.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Rede Palestina de ONGs
                              >>>>>> >> bisanrd@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.pngo.net
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Rede Social de Justiça e Direitos Humanos
                              >>>>>> >> rede@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.social.org.br
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Rede Transforme!
                              >>>>>> >> elgauthi@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Redes Socioeconomia Solidaria
                              >>>>>> >> creintjes@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.reasnet.com
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Rede de Educação Popular entre Mulheres (REPEM)
                              >>>>>> >> repem@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.repem.org.uy
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Réseau Ouest Africain des Alternatives pour le Developpement (ROAD)
                              >>>>>> >> jubilecad-mali@..., barryaminatou@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Southern Initiative on Globalisation and Trade Union Rights
                              >>>>>> (SIGTUR)
                              >>>>>> >> rlambert@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Social Movement Indaba
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Social Watch
                              >>>>>> >> socwatch@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.socialwatch.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Social Development Network (SODNET)
                              >>>>>> >> sodnet@...
                              >>>>>> >> http://www.sodnet.or.ke
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Solidar
                              >>>>>> >> solidar@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.solidar.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Solidarity Africa Network in Action
                              >>>>>> >> njoki@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> The International Federation Terre des Hommes (IFTDH)
                              >>>>>> >> info@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.terredeshommes.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Transnational Information Exchange (TIE)
                              >>>>>> >> tie@...
                              >>>>>> >> http://www.tie-brasil.org/tie.php
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Transnational Institute (TNI)
                              >>>>>> >> tni@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.tni.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Third World Network (TWN)
                              >>>>>> >> twn@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.twnside.org.sg
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> UBUNTU - Foro Mundial de Redes de la Sociedad Civil
                              >>>>>> >> ubuntu@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.ubuntu.upc.es
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Union Internacional de Estudiantes
                              >>>>>> >> ius@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.ius-uie.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam Network
                              >>>>>> >> vk-finland@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.democracydialogues.org/
                              >>>>>> >> www.demokratiafoorumi.fi/wsf.html
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Via Campesina
                              >>>>>> >> viacam@...
                              >>>>>> >> http://ns.rds.org.hn/via/
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> World Association of Community Radio Broadcasters (Amarc)
                              >>>>>> >> amarc@...
                              >>>>>> >> http://www.amarc.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> World March of Women
                              >>>>>> >> www.ffq.qc.ca/marche2000/en/index.html
                              >>>>>> >> dmatte@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Zanzibar International Film Festival Of Dhow
                              >>>>>> >> Contato: Fatma ALLOO
                              >>>>>> >> falloo@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Znet
                              >>>>>> >> sysop@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.zmag.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Observadores
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Mundial de Educação
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Africano
                              >>>>>> >> taoufik@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Américas
                              >>>>>> >> fsmcontinental@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.forosocialamericas.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Europeu
                              >>>>>> >> wsf@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.fse-esf.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Mediterrâneo
                              >>>>>> >> activitats@...
                              >>>>>> >> fsmedi@...
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social de Migrações
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Pan-Amazônico
                              >>>>>> >> cri-pmb@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.fspanamazonico.com.br
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Comitê Organizador do Fórum Social Tematico: Democracia, Direitos
                              >>>>>> >> Humanos, Guerras e Narcotráfico
                              >>>>>> >> forosocialtematico@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.fsmt.org.co
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Funders Network on Trade & Globalization (FNTG)
                              >>>>>> >> mark@...
                              >>>>>> >> www.fntg.org
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> Fórum Social São Paulo
                              >>>>>> >> http://forumsocialsp.org.br
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >>
                              >>>>>> >> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Gustavo Massiah <
                              >>>>>> massiah@...>
                              >>>>>> >> wrote:
                              >>>>>> >> >
                              >>>>>> >> > Dear Wilhermina
                              >>>>>> >> >
                              >>>>>> >> > we are with you in solidarity
                              >>>>>> >> > and with all the workers of striking mine
                              >>>>>> >> >
                              >>>>>> >> > we are sure that social justice will be on the road of this
                              >>>>>> fundamental
                              >>>>>> >> > struggle
                              >>>>>> >> >
                              >>>>>> >> > In solidarity
                              >>>>>> >> >
                              >>>>>> >> > gustave massiah
                              >>>>>> >> > representative of CRID at the IC of WSF
                              >>>>>> >> >
                              >>>>>> >> >
                              >>>>>> >> >
                              >>>>>> >> >
                              >>>>>> >> >
                              >>>>>> >> >
                              >>>>>> >> > Le 21/08/2012 16:51, Wilhelmina Trout WMW a écrit :
                              >>>>>> >> >
                              >>>>>> >> > Dear Gina
                              >>>>>> >> > my sincerest apologies for not being present these past days in
                              >>>>>> these
                              >>>>>> >> > discussions, after my last task of sending you my notes.  Thank
                              >>>>>> you for
                              >>>>>> >> > taking over & carrying the load.
                              >>>>>> >> >
                              >>>>>> >> > I am sure you, with the rest of the world, witnessed the recent
                              >>>>>> killings
                              >>>>>> >> > of
                              >>>>>> >> > striking mine workers at the Lonmin Mine here in Marikane, it has
                              >>>>>> >> > shocked
                              >>>>>> >> > the world & here in South Africa we are trying to come to grips
                              >>>>>> with the
                              >>>>>> >> > loss of lives and to make sense of this brutality.
                              >>>>>> >> >
                              >>>>>> >> > But for now I will follow the discussions & continue
                              >>>>>> participating
                              >>>>>> >> > actively
                              >>>>>> >> > in the group shortly.
                              >>>>>> >> >
                              >>>>>> >> > In solidarity
                              >>>>>> >> > wilhelmina
                              >>>>>> >> >
                              >>>>>> >> > On 20 August 2012 22:41, gina vargas <ginvargas@...>
                              >>>>>> wrote:
                              >>>>>> >> >>
                              >>>>>> >> >>  dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please
                              >>>>>> respond as
                              >>>>>> >> >> soon as posible
                              >>>>>> >> >>
                              >>>>>> >> >> amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado;
                              >>>>>> por favor
                              >>>>>> >> >> respondan pronto
                              >>>>>> >> >>
                              >>>>>> >> >>
                              >>>>>> >> >> Gina
                              >>>>>> >> >>
                              >>>>>> >> >>
                              >>>>>> >> >> 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@...>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> (Inglès: ver abajo)
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo!
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas
                              >>>>>> reacciones
                              >>>>>> >> >>> que
                              >>>>>> >> >>> suscita.
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos
                              >>>>>> propuestas:
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> -          El protocol
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> -          El plan de trabajo
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere
                              >>>>>> decir.
                              >>>>>> >> >>> El
                              >>>>>> >> >>> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de
                              >>>>>> nuestro
                              >>>>>> >> >>> grupo?
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las
                              >>>>>> >> >>> responsabilidades?
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos
                              >>>>>> grupos,
                              >>>>>> >> >>> seria
                              >>>>>> >> >>> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar.
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege
                              >>>>>> tienen
                              >>>>>> >> >>> razon.
                              >>>>>> >> >>> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos
                              >>>>>> todas las
                              >>>>>> >> >>> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los
                              >>>>>> miembros
                              >>>>>> >> >>> del CI
                              >>>>>> >> >>> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones,
                              >>>>>> seria un
                              >>>>>> >> >>> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso
                              >>>>>> lo dudo …
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo
                              >>>>>> tendrian que
                              >>>>>> >> >>> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos?
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario?
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar …
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> Esperando las noticias.
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> Francine
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done.
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about
                              >>>>>> the lack
                              >>>>>> >> >>> of
                              >>>>>> >> >>> reactions …
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two
                              >>>>>> proposals:
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> -          Protocol
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> -          A working plan
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think
                              >>>>>> of the
                              >>>>>> >> >>> ‘rules of the game’ our working-group has to follow and
                              >>>>>> respect?
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with
                              >>>>>> >> >>> responsibilities?
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different
                              >>>>>> >> >>> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something
                              >>>>>> we have
                              >>>>>> >> >>> to
                              >>>>>> >> >>> avoid, I think.
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and
                              >>>>>> Liege are
                              >>>>>> >> >>> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group
                              >>>>>> if all
                              >>>>>> >> >>> messages
                              >>>>>> >> >>> go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there
                              >>>>>> also is a
                              >>>>>> >> >>> need
                              >>>>>> >> >>> for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it
                              >>>>>> coule be a
                              >>>>>> >> >>> kind
                              >>>>>> >> >>> of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in
                              >>>>>> writing …
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the
                              >>>>>> working-group to
                              >>>>>> >> >>> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with
                              >>>>>> >> >>> priority?
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire?
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help …
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> Waiting for more news,
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> Francine
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...]
                              >>>>>> >> >>> Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01
                              >>>>>> >> >>> Aan: wg-about-future@...
                              >>>>>> >> >>> Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro
                              >>>>>> trabajo.
                              >>>>>> >> >>> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar.
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can
                              >>>>>> continue
                              >>>>>> >> >>> working.  Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to
                              >>>>>> work.
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I
                              >>>>>> have
                              >>>>>> >> >>> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of
                              >>>>>> you that
                              >>>>>> >> >>> know
                              >>>>>> >> >>> both can check?
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> besos
                              >>>>>> >> >>> Gina
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@...>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a
                              >>>>>> traves de
                              >>>>>> >> >>> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this
                              >>>>>> list.
                              >>>>>> >> >>> This is a prove to see if it functions.
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>> Gina
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
                              >>>>>> >> >>>
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                      • RE: Re: confirmando que funciona

                        from mestrum on Aug 28, 2012 03:21 PM
                        (English below)
                        
                         
                        
                        Muchisimas gracias Gina, espero lo mejor para tu madre!
                        
                         
                        
                        La propuesta me parece bien, aunque tengo algunas dudas sobre grupos de
                        trabajo que siempre tienen el riesgo de ‘fragmentacion’ y que muchas veces
                        quedan muy poco espacio para otros para enmiendas mas tarde. No sé como van
                        a funcionar? Con una comunicacion a tod@s del grupo o no?
                        
                         
                        
                        Pienso también que Helio hizo unos puntos muy relevantes en su ultimo mail -
                        gracias Helio – eso esta incluida en el punto 4?
                        
                         
                        
                        Y tienes toda la razon Gina, ya hemos hecho muho trabajo en el pasado. Por
                        eso que temo que nuestro problema mas grande no esta en las estructuras,
                        sino en las relaciones personales, falta de responsabilidad y
                        ‘accountability’, etc …
                        
                         
                        
                        Ya veremos. Esperando que nuestro trabajo pueda ser util para el futuro.
                        
                         
                        
                        Qué hacer con todas las personas que estan en la lista y nunca reaccionaron
                        a ningun mensaje?
                        
                         
                        
                        Francine
                        
                         
                        
                        May thanks Gina, I hope your mother is going better. Wishing you and her all
                        the best.
                        
                         
                        
                        I think your proposal is ok, even if I have some doubts on ‘working groups’
                        that always have a risk of ‘frgmentation’ and very often do not leave any
                        space for other to amend the results as soon as they are there . How are
                        these groups going to work? With communication to all other members of our
                        group?
                        
                         
                        
                        I also think Helio made somevery relevant points in his last e-mail – thanks
                        Helio – is this going to be included in point 4?
                        
                         
                        
                        And yes, you are right Gina, we already did quite some work in the past.
                        That is why I am afraid that our main problemis with personal relationships,
                        more than with structures. There is a lack of responsibilities, of
                        accountability, etc.
                        
                         
                        
                        But ok, we will see. I do hope our work can be useful for the future.
                        
                         
                        
                        By the way, what to do with all the people who are on our list but never
                        reacted to any message?
                        
                         
                        
                        Francine
                        
                         
                        
                         
                        
                        Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@...] 
                        Verzonden: 27 August 2012 04:24
                        Aan: wg-about-future@...
                        Onderwerp: Re: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona
                        
                         
                        
                         
                        Please see the attachments and we comunicate soon!
                        We have to organise also a team for  traslation.! 
                        
                        Por favor lean los adjuntos y nos comunicamos pronto
                        Y tenemos que organizar un equipo de traduccion!
                        
                        Gina
                        
                        
                        
                        
                        2012/8/22 Jason Nardi <jason.nardi@...>
                        
                        Hi Rita,
                        
                         
                        
                        I know... that's why also the institutional website badly needs to be
                        updated altogether and we are waiting for some signal of life from Helio...
                        since we already have discussed for a long time in the communication
                        commission - as you know - to have a new portal website, collecting together
                        all the functions and information needed for a modern communication.  But
                        apparently we cannot proceed unless "the office" says ok...
                        
                        Which brings up the issue of who is responsible for what and who takes
                        decisions of this sort (I have raised this countless times in the IC).
                        
                         
                        
                        But I don't want to be polemic here ;-)
                        
                         
                        
                        ciao
                        
                        Jason
                        
                         
                        
                        On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:57 PM, rita freire <ritafreir@...> wrote:
                        
                        Jason
                        This list is not mine, it is the list open in the institutional
                        website, wich needs to be updated
                        Rita
                        
                        
                        On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Jason Nardi <jason.nardi@...> wrote:
                        > Dear all,
                        >
                        > I've been following and read most of the messages up to now. I haven't had
                        > time to write my contribution yet (I just came back from my summer
                        > vacation).  But I'm happy to see that something is moving...
                        >
                        > I like Sara's approach and agree that we should have more frequent online
                        > meetings.
                        >
                        > Rita - the list you sent is old, in fact very old.  Is it possible to have
                        > an updated one?  In a short time?
                        >
                        > ciao from a very warm Italy
                        > Jason
                        >
                        > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:59 PM, rita freire <ritafreir@...> wrote:
                        >>
                        >> Agree
                        >>
                        >> Also the list of the IC  members/organizations in this group,
                        >> If it can help, bellow you find the list of members of the IC
                        >>
                        >> Rita
                        >>
                        >>
                        >> 50 Years is Enough!
                        >> 50years@...
                        >> www.50years.org
                        >>
                        >> Associação Brasileira de ONGs (ABONG)
                        >> abong@...
                        >> www.abong.org.br
                        >>
                        >>
                        >> Action Aid International (AAI)
                        >> mail.jhb@...
                        >> www.actionaid.org
                        >>
                        >> Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU)
                        >> mailbox@...
                        >> www.actu.asn.au
                        >>
                        >> American Federation of Labor-Congress of Industrial Organizations
                        >> (AFL-CIO)
                        >> feedback@...
                        >> www.aflcio.org/home.htm
                        >>
                        >> Africa Trade Network
                        >> aidc@...
                        >> http://africatradenetwork.com
                        >>
                        >> Alternative Information on Development Center (AIDC)
                        >> aidc@...
                        >> http://aidc.org.za
                        >>
                        >> Agencia Latinoamericana de Información (AIDC)
                        >>