Dear Helio,

I was about to answer your message when I read your email about you leaving the office.  I am sorry about this, really.  And as you recall in our last conversation in Monastir, I totally agreed with you about you being left alone, which I think was quite irresponsible - especially since we've been discussing this situation for a long time and even the few proposals that had been made (such as contributions by IC members and from Organising Committees) where not followed up.

I also want to excuse myself if the tone of my previous message was too harsh or polemic.  And sounded like a personal issue.  My frustration comes from the fact that we continue to repeat the same dynamics, leading to a standstill and de facto non collaboration, for what reason I still don't undertand.  The specific case I was addressing is about working on the website for 2013 as a project to renew the whole institutional website, sharing those parts (such as registration of participants, memory, multimedia, etc) which are common and making it a collaborative site, so it can be co-designed and co-edited by more people - and not be the sole responsibility of a person or two in an "office" (no irony intended).  We've shared this in the IC (Hamouda, for instance, repeated it in several occasions) and created groups (well, Pierre created groups...) with the people who are concretely working on it.  Who said they were waiting to have from the Office the domain they could use to work on it (eg. fsm2013.forumsocialmundial.org). And are still waiting.  So who is supposed to decide on this very specific matter? Shouldn't it be a group (of the IC) dedicated to communication issues?

Many attempts as Communication commission  to share responsibilities in a collaborative way have been made in the past with your previous collegues (discussions and documents where generated, trying to list tasks to be shared and preserve the independence and professional work done by office staff) - but this is history and besides the point.

The point is: who has to take certain decisions and where does the collective responsibility of the IC as such lie?  Who is accountable to whom?  And what forms of collaboration can be concretely practice and which are really viable?  How much is it a matter of financial issues and how much of "control"?  

The Liason Group was supposed to be a solution - it ended up creating more problems.  And now that most of its members were supposed to be renewed, no real assessment was done, and what happened in Monastir seemed to be a way to delay and defer again any possible different solution.  I already expressed myself publicly about this.

The Forum process has an incredible potential, and whenever it has been adopted in different contexts it has help dynamise and aggregate.  But it has to evolve as it grows and moves, as the context changes, as some actors get "tired" and others perceive a closure; it needs to include new instances, change its dynamics, and become less improvised and more accountable.  Learn from other "processes" - without making a myth out of them (occupy movement, for eg) - but especially, try not to repeat the same errors again and again. 

So if this working group (with 4 sub-groups of 1-2 people each??!!) wants to really explore how to get out of this mess in a creative, re-energizing, concrete and accountable way, I think it needs not just to theorize about the future, but to look at concrete ways to mobilise, clear the minimal rules and methods of participation in the IC (which IS a responsibility and not just another venue to meet each other - so non participant members should no longer be members).  And find how to give continuity to a process, by renewing itself each time as the relay passes from one organising committee to the next (where the "office" could be based) and being very public and transparent (recording the meetings and making them available on the website; have "instant reports"; publish accounts; declare who is responsible for what).

So... what next?

Gina - thanks for your work.  If I understand correctly, the task for each "sub-group" is to issue a document as a basis for further reflection on the different aspects.  That is fine -- can it be done with collaborative "public" tools, instead of just exchanging versions on a mailing list? Openfsm "wiki" is available and as of today holds the "memory" of many discussions, documents, guidelines, etc. But there are many other tools out there... (and the "Occupy"ers are making an incredible use of them).

I would add something I had already suggested for the post-Dakar evaluation, which involved asking all organisations and participants of the forum process to give their ideas, expectations, proposals, through a (simple) questionnaire - not just, but of course also, the IC members.  To do this, we'd need to use the newsletter database and - possibly - the database of the Dakar forum.  The questionnaire can be done online, in several languages.  It doesn't take a huge technical effort.  And we had already worked on it and agreed last year (I just re-read a few emails about it).  But then it wasn't done [why?] - and we only received a few answers from IC members.

[And please, Giuseppe, lets not repeat the discussion on open space methodology and questionnaires... ;-) ]

Then of course - if successful - we'll have a lot of useful elements which can inform and stimulate and help the preparation of a more grounded debate in the next IC.

I've been long (not as much as Francine and Chico), so I'll cut it here.

Helio - I wish you the very best and hope you stay in touch.

ciao
Jason

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Escritorio FSM - Helio <escritorio@forumsocialmundial.org.br> wrote:
Dear Jason,

As you might remember, the person so far responsable for the website no longer works in the office since january - and NO SINGLE solution or alternative was taken to replace her or think on another way of managing the institutional communication (as well as many other tasks...). It is completely out of sense to think that a complex process like the WSF and the IC dynamics could be supported by an office composed by one only person, with almost no collaboration from the process itself - except from a few but active people from the IC that have been trying hard to give me a hand and accomplish the tasks.

The IC is in a moment of deep reflexion to reestructure itself, and certainly the role and responsabilities of the office should be an issue on its agenda - so, in this sense, I completely agree with you that the issue of who is responsable for what should again be brought up. What I dont understand at all in your message is the phrase "apparenty we cannot proceed unless "the office" says ok..." - what kind of "ok" should "the office" adress to you or any instance of the process? (I dont understant either what these quotation marks means... are they only for ironic purposes?). Does it make any sense externalizing responsabilities instead of recognizing the difficulties that all instances of the IC have, due to different reasons (and these are not only because of financial problems), of achieving its goals? So, please, lets work in the same sense of collective responsabilities that the WSF proclains, trying to bring up solutions and alternatives to the problems we collectively face -  specially the issue of the website, which necessity of renewal has been pointed by all my communicators-colleagues in the office several times (Thaís, Vânia, Mariana, Thiago...), but again no solution was taken by the IC. It is not a surprise that no one works for a long period in the office...

all the best,

-- 
Hélio Menezes
WSF Office / Escritório do FSM
+55 11 3258 8914 
www.forumsocialmundial.org.br 

2012/8/27 Giuseppe Caruso <giu.caruso@gmail.com>
Gina, thank you! i think this is perfect to start and i'm thrilled by the chance to work with winod and whoever wishes to join in!

how long do we wait for people to join the four subgroups? 

gina gracias! esto me parece perfecto para iniciar y me encanta la idea de trabajar con vinod y cualquier persona mas!

cual va a ser el tiempo adecuado para que tod@s se junten a los cuatro grupos?

abrazos
g


On 27 August 2012 05:23, gina vargas <ginvargas@gmail.com> wrote:
 
Please see the attachments and we comunicate soon!
We have to organise also a team for  traslation.!

Por favor lean los adjuntos y nos comunicamos pronto
Y tenemos que organizar un equipo de traduccion!

Gina




2012/8/22 Jason Nardi <jason.nardi@gmail.com>
Hi Rita,

I know... that's why also the institutional website badly needs to be updated altogether and we are waiting for some signal of life from Helio...  since we already have discussed for a long time in the communication commission - as you know - to have a new portal website, collecting together all the functions and information needed for a modern communication.  But apparently we cannot proceed unless "the office" says ok...
Which brings up the issue of who is responsible for what and who takes decisions of this sort (I have raised this countless times in the IC).

But I don't want to be polemic here ;-)

ciao
Jason


On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:57 PM, rita freire <ritafreir@gmail.com> wrote:
Jason
This list is not mine, it is the list open in the institutional
website, wich needs to be updated
Rita

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Jason Nardi <jason.nardi@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I've been following and read most of the messages up to now. I haven't had
> time to write my contribution yet (I just came back from my summer
> vacation).  But I'm happy to see that something is moving...
>
> I like Sara's approach and agree that we should have more frequent online
> meetings.
>
> Rita - the list you sent is old, in fact very old.  Is it possible to have
> an updated one?  In a short time?
>
> ciao from a very warm Italy
> Jason
>
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:59 PM, rita freire <ritafreir@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Agree
>>
>> Also the list of the IC  members/organizations in this group,
>> If it can help, bellow you find the list of members of the IC
>>
>> Rita
>>
>>
>> 50 Years is Enough!
>> 50years@50years.org
>> www.50years.org
>>
>> Associação Brasileira de ONGs (ABONG)
>> abong@uol.com.br
>> www.abong.org.br
>>
>>
>> Action Aid International (AAI)
>> mail.jhb@actionaid.org
>> www.actionaid.org
>>
>> Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU)
>> mailbox@actu.asn.au
>> www.actu.asn.au
>>
>> American Federation of Labor-Congress of Industrial Organizations
>> (AFL-CIO)
>> feedback@aflcio.org
>> www.aflcio.org/home.htm
>>
>> Africa Trade Network
>> aidc@iafrica.com
>> http://africatradenetwork.com
>>
>> Alternative Information on Development Center (AIDC)
>> aidc@iafrica.com
>> http://aidc.org.za
>>
>> Agencia Latinoamericana de Información (AIDC)
>> info@alainet.org
>> www.alainet.org
>>
>> Associação Latino Americana de Pequenos e Médios Empresários (ALAMPYME)
>> apyme@rcc.com.ar
>> www.apyme.com.ar
>>
>> Aliança Por Um Mundo Responsável e Solidário
>> lille@alliance21.org
>> www.alliance21.org
>>
>> All Arab Peasants & Agricultural Co-operatives Union
>> F76arab@maktoob.com
>>
>> Associação Latino Americana de Organismos de Promoção (ALOP)
>> info@alop.or.cr
>> www.alop.or.cr
>>
>> Alternatives Information Center
>> yahni@alt-info.org
>> www.alternativenews.org
>>
>> Alternatives
>> alternatives@alternatives.ca< /a>
>> www.alternatives.ca
>>
>> Alternative International
>> www.alternatives.ca
>>
>> Alternatives Rússia
>> dhrr@online.ru
>>
>> Amigos da Terra/Friends of the Earth
>> foe@foe.org
>> www.foei.org
>>
>> APRODEV
>> aprodev@aprodev.net
>> www.aprodev.net
>>
>> Arab NGO Network for Development
>> annd@cyberia.net.lb
>> www.annd.org
>>
>> Asian Regional Exchange for New Alternatives (ARENA)
>> arena@asianexchange.org
>> www.asianexchange.org
>>
>> Articulación Feminista Marco Sur
>> mujeresdelsur@mujersur.org.uy
>> www.mujeresdelsur.org.uy
>>
>> Aliança Social Continental (ASC)
>> sri_cut@uol.com.br
>> www.ascahsa.org
>>
>> Asemblea de los Pueblos del Caribe (APC)
>> habitatcarib@hotmail.com, pedroarg@tricom.net
>> http://movimientos.org/caribe/
>>
>> Assemblée Europeenne dês Citoyens
>> cedetim@globenet.org
>> www.cedetim.org/AEC
>>
>> Assembléia das Nações Unidas dos Povos
>> flavio@perlapace.it
>>
>> Associação para o Progresso das Comunicações
>> anriette@apc.org
>> www.apc.org
>>
>> ATTAC- Brasil
>> attacsaopaulo@attac.org
>> www.attac.org/brasil
>>
>> ATTAC France
>> attac@attac.org
>> http://attac.org
>>
>> Babels
>> wsfsm@babels.org
>>
>> Bankwatch Network
>> jozseff@bankwatch.org
>> www.bankwatch.org
>>
>> Comité pour l’Annulation de la Dette du Tiers Monde (CADTM)
>> cadtm@skynet.be
>> http://users.skynet.be/cadtm
>>
>> Canadian Council
>> Jdunn@canadians.org
>>
>> Coordinación Andina de Organizaciones Indigenas (CAOI)
>> coordinadorandinacaoi@gmail.com
>> www.minkandina.org
>>
>> Caritas Internacionalis
>> caritas.internationalis@caritas.va
>> www.caritas.org
>>
>> Comissão Brasileira de Justiça e Paz (CBJP )
>> intercom@cidadanet.org.br
>> www.cbjp.org.br
>>
>> Consejo de Educación de Adultos de América Latina (CEAAL)
>> ceaal@laneta.apc.org
>> www.ceaal.org
>>
>> CEDAR Internacional
>> cedar@asser.nl
>> www.cedarinternational.net
>>
>> Centre dEtudes et d Initiatives de Solidarité Internationale (CEDETIM)
>> cedetim@globenet.org
>> www.cedetim.org
>>
>> Central de Trabajadores Argentinos
>> cta@rcc.com.ar
>> www.cta.org.ar
>>
>> European Trade Union Confederation (CES)
>> etuc@etuc.org
>> www.etuc.org
>>
>> CETRI
>> cetri@cetri.be
>> www.cetri.be
>>
>> CIDSE
>> postmaster@cidse.org
>> www.cidse.org
>>
>> Confederação Internacional de Organizações Sindicais Livres (CIOSL)
>> internetpo@icftu.org
>> www.cioslorit.org
>>
>> Ciranda Internacional da Comunicação Compatilhada
>> ciranda@ciranda.net
>> www.ciranda.net
>>
>> CIVES
>> cives@cives.org.br
>> www.cives.org.br
>>
>> Conselho Latino Americano de Ciências Sociais (CLACSO)
>> clacsofsm@clacso.edu.ar
>> www.clacso.org
>>
>> Canadian Labour Congress (CLC)
>> sbenedict@clc-ctc.ca
>> www.clc-ctc.ca
>>
>> Confederação Mundial do Trabalho (CMT)
>> info@cmt-wcl.org
>> www.cmt-wcl.org
>>
>> Coalición Internacional para el Hábitat
>> hic-al@hic-al.org
>> http://www.hic-net.org/
>>
>> Coligação para a Justiça Econômica
>> viriatot@zebra.uem.mz
>>
>> Convergência de los Movimientos de los Pueblos de las Américas (COMPA)
>> colectivoredom_@hotmail.com
>> rgf@alum.vassar.edu
>> http://www.sitiocompa.org/compa/index.php
>>
>> CONAIE
>> info@conaie.org
>> http://conaie.org
>>
>> Congresso Nacional Indígena do México
>> ceatl@laneta.apc.org
>>
>> Conselho Mundial de Igrejas
>> info@wcc-coe.org
>> www.wcc-coe.org
>>
>> Coordenación del Foro “El Otro Davos”
>> Page2@fastnet.ch
>>
>> Coordenadora de Centrais Sindicais do Cone Sul
>> eduardof@aebu.org.uy
>> http://www.sindicatomercosul.com.br/
>>
>> Corpwatch
>> corpwatch@corpwatch.org
>> www.corpwatch.org
>>
>> Congress of South African Trade Unions (COSATU)
>> cosatu@wn.apc.org
>> www.cosatu.org.za
>>
>> Centre de Recherche et d´Information pour le Développment (CRID)
>> info@crid.asso.fr
>> www.crid.asso.fr
>>
>> Confederación Sindical Internacional (CSI)
>> claire.courteille@ituc-csi.org
>> http://www.ituc-csi.org
>>
>> Central Única dos Trabalhadores (CUT)
>> sri-cut@uol.com.br
>> www.cut.org.br
>>
>> E-joussour
>> www.e-joussour.net
>>
>> Encuentros Hemisféricos contra el ALCA
>> joel@mlking.sld.cu
>>
>> ENDA
>> taoufik@enda.sn
>> www.enda.sn
>>
>> Euralat
>> Criera@aepdc.org
>>
>> Euromarches
>> euromarches@ras.eu.org
>> www.euromarches.org
>>
>> FAMES
>> rabia@enda.sn
>>
>> Frente Continental de Organizações Comunitárias (FECOC)
>> mlongoria@laneta.apc.org
>>
>> Federación Mundial de Juventudes Democráticas
>> wfdy@wfdy.org
>> www.wfdy.org
>>
>> Féderation démocratique internationale des femmes (FDIF)
>> fdif@fdif.eu.org
>> www.fdif.eu.org
>>
>> Fundación per la Pau/International Peace Bureau (IPB)
>> mailbox@ipb.org
>> www.ipb.org
>>
>> Food First International Action Network (FIAN)
>> fian@fian.org
>> www.fian.org
>>
>> Federeação Internacional Direitos Humanos (FIDH)
>> rsanchez@fidh.org
>> www.fidh.org
>>
>> Freedom Legality And Rights in Europe (FLARE)
>> info@flarenetwork.org
>> www.flarenetwork.org
>>
>> Focus on the Global South
>> admin@focusweb.org
>> http://focusweb.org
>>
>> Fondation Frantz Fanon
>> http://frantzfanonfoundation-fondationfrantzfanon.com/
>>
>> Forum des Organisations de Solidarité Internationale issues des
>> Migrations (FORIM)
>> forim@forim.net
>> forim@free.fr
>>
>> Fórum Dakar
>> Residel.kaolack@sentoo.sn
>>
>> Forum Mondial des Alternatives
>> ftm@syfed.refer.sn
>> www.alternatives-action.org/fma
>>
>> Forum of the Poors
>> fopthai@asiaaccess.net.th
>>
>> Fórum Social Italiano
>> vagnoleto@lila.it
>>
>> Foundation for Socio-Economic Justice (FSEJ)
>> fsej@africaonline.co.sz
>>
>> General Union of Oil Employees in Southern Iraq
>> Contact: Farouk M. Sadiq Ismaa'l
>> 101small@yahoo.com
>>
>> GLBT South-South Dialogue
>> dialogo@fedaeps.org
>>
>> Global Commons Foundation
>> www.www.globalcommonsfoundation.org
>>
>> Global Exchange
>> admin@globalexchange.org
>> www.globalexchange.org
>>
>> Global Policy Network
>> gpn-listowner@epinet.org
>> www.globalpolicynetwork.org
>>
>> Global Progressive Fórum
>> info@globalprogressiveforum.org
>> www.globalprogressiveforum.org
>>
>> Grassroots Global Justice
>> ggj@ggjalliance.org
>> www.ggjalliance.org
>>
>> Greenpeace
>> greenpeace.brazil@dialb.greenpeace.org
>> http://www.greenpeace.org/
>>
>> Grito dos Excluídos
>> gritoexcluidos@uol.com.br
>> www.movimientos.org
>>
>> Grupo de Trabalho Amazônico
>> www. gta.org.br
>>
>> Habitat Internation Coalition
>> maite.martinez-pardo@delcri.cec.eu.int
>> www.habitat-international-coalition.org
>>
>> Helsinki Citizens Assembly
>>
>> Herriak Aske
>> international@askapena.org
>>
>> Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy (IATP)
>> khoff@iatp.org
>> www.iatp.org
>>
>> IBASE
>> ibase@ibase.br
>> www.ibase.br
>>
>> Conselho Internacional de Educação de Adultos (ICAE)
>> icae@icae.ca
>> http://www.icae.org.uy/spa/sindex.html
>>
>> International Federationof Alternative Trade (IFAT)
>> info@ifat.org.uk
>> www.ifat.org
>>
>> International Forum on Globalization (IFG)
>> ifg@ifg.org
>> www.ifg.org
>>
>> International Alliance of Habitants
>> info@habitants.org
>> www.habitants.org
>>
>> International drama and education association (IDEA)
>> www.idea-org.net
>>
>> International Gender and Trade Network
>> secretariat@igtn.org
>> www.igtn.org
>>
>> International Network of Street Papers (INSP)
>> l.maclean@bigissuescotland.com
>> irn@irn.org
>> www.irn.org
>>
>> International Sport and Culture Association (ISCA)
>> info@isca-web.org
>> www.isca-web.org
>>
>> Instituto Paulo Freire
>> ipf@paulofreire.org
>> www.paulofreire.org
>>
>> Institut Panos Afrique de l’Ouest (IPAO)
>> info@panos-ao.org
>> www.panos-ao.org
>>
>> Inter Press Service (IPS)
>> kosi@ips.org
>> www.ips.org
>>
>> Union of Arab Community Based Organisations(Ittijah)
>> ittijah@ittijah.org
>> www.ittijah.org
>>
>> Jubilee South – Asia
>> vinod.raina@vsnl.com
>> www.jubileesouth.org
>>
>> Jubileo South – África
>> aidc@iafrica.com
>> www.jubileesouth.org
>>
>> Jubileu 2000
>> kitazawa@jca.apc.org
>>
>> Jubileu Sul América Latina
>> keeneba@wamani.apc.org
>> www.jubileusul.hpg.com.br
>>
>> KCTU - Korean Confederation of Trade Unions
>> inter@kctu.org
>> www.kctu.org
>>
>> Kenya Debt Network
>> sodnet@sodnet.or.ke
>>
>> KOPA
>> kopa@jinbo.net
>> http://antiwto.jinbo.net/eroom/index.html
>>
>> Kurdish Network
>> kurdishnetwork@orange.fr
>>
>> Land Research Action Network
>> wellington@nlc.co.za
>>
>> May First/People Link
>> info@mayfirst.org
>> www.mayfirst.org
>>
>> Movimento dos Trabalhadores Sem Terra (MST)
>> srimst@uol.com.br
>> www.mst.org.br
>>
>> Narmada
>> subbu@narmada.org
>> www.narmada.org
>>
>> National Network of Autonomous Women’s Groups
>> shahnandita@redifmail.com
>>
>> Network Institute for Global Democratization (NIGD)
>> katarina@nigd.u-net.com
>> www.nigd.org
>>
>> No Vox International
>> no-vox@no-vox.org
>> www.no-vox.org
>>
>> North-South Centre
>> Fifi.BENABOUD@coe.int
>> www.coe.int/T/E/North-South_Centre
>>
>> Continental Organization of Latin America and Caribbean Students (OCLAE)
>> oclae@jcce.org.cu
>> www.oclae.org
>>
>> Organization of African Trade Unions Unity
>> oatuu@ighmail.com
>>
>> Organização Regional Interamericana de Trabalhadores (ORIT)
>> info@cioslorit.org
>> www.orit-ciosl.org
>>
>> Organization de la Jeunesse Africaine
>> http://www.ojafrique.org/
>>
>> OXFAM Internacional
>> information@oxfaminternational.org
>> www.oxfam.org
>>
>> Palestinian grassroots Anti-Apartheid Wall Campaign
>> mobilize@stopthewall.org
>> www.stopthewall.org
>>
>> Peace Boat
>> y-nami@peaceboat.gr.jp
>> www.peaceboat.org
>>
>> Peoples Health Movement
>> secretariat@phmovement.org
>> http://www.phmovement.org
>>
>> Plataforma Interamericana de Derechos Humanos, Democracia y Desarrollo
>> regional@pidhdd.org
>> www.pidhdd.org
>>
>> PPEHRC – Poor People’s Economic Human Rights Campaign
>> kwru@kwru.org
>> www.economichumanrights.org
>> www.kwru.org
>>
>> Projeto K
>> Salvatore.cannavo@flashnet.it
>> ilpanelerose@hotmail.com
>>
>> Public Citizen
>> tgerson@citizen.org
>> www.citizen.org
>>
>> Red Latinoamericana Mulheres Transformando a Economia
>> mleon@interactive.net.ec
>> remte@fedaeps.org
>> http://movimientos.org/remte
>>
>> Rede APM – Agricultures paysannes, sociétés et mondialisation
>> pvuarin@fph.fr
>> www.zooide.com/apm
>>
>> Rede CONSEU (Conferencia de Naciones sin Estado de Europa)
>> activitats@ciemen.org
>>
>> Rede Dawn de Mulheres
>> dawn@is.com.fj
>> www.dawn.org.fj
>>
>> Rede de Solidariedade Ásia Pacífico
>> intl@dsp.org.au
>>
>> Rede Latino-Americana e Caribenha de Mulheres Negras
>> criola@alternex.com.br
>> www.criola.ong.org
>>
>> Rede Mulher e Habitat
>> gem@agora.com.ar
>> http://www.redmujer.org.ar
>>
>> Rede Mundial de Mulheres pelos Direitos Reprodutivos
>> office@wgnrr.nl
>> www.wgnrr.org
>>
>> Rede Palestina de ONGs
>> bisanrd@palnet.com
>> www.pngo.net
>>
>> Rede Social de Justiça e Direitos Humanos
>> rede@social.org.br
>> www.social.org.br
>>
>> Rede Transforme!
>> elgauthi@internatif.org
>>
>> Redes Socioeconomia Solidaria
>> creintjes@ideas.coop
>> www.reasnet.com
>>
>> Rede de Educação Popular entre Mulheres (REPEM)
>> repem@repem.org.uy
>> www.repem.org.uy
>>
>> Réseau Ouest Africain des Alternatives pour le Developpement (ROAD)
>> jubilecad-mali@cefib.com, barryaminatou@yahoo.fr
>>
>> Southern Initiative on Globalisation and Trade Union Rights (SIGTUR)
>> rlambert@ecel.uwa.edu.au
>>
>> Social Movement Indaba
>>
>> Social Watch
>> socwatch@chasque.net
>> www.socialwatch.org
>>
>> Social Development Network (SODNET)
>> sodnet@sodnet.or.ke
>> http://www.sodnet.or.ke
>>
>> Solidar
>> solidar@skynet.be
>> www.solidar.org
>>
>> Solidarity Africa Network in Action
>> njoki@igc.org
>>
>> The International Federation Terre des Hommes (IFTDH)
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>>
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>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Gustavo Massiah <massiah@wanadoo.fr>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Wilhermina
>> >
>> > we are with you in solidarity
>> > and with all the workers of striking mine
>> >
>> > we are sure that social justice will be on the road of this fundamental
>> > struggle
>> >
>> > In solidarity
>> >
>> > gustave massiah
>> > representative of CRID at the IC of WSF
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Le 21/08/2012 16:51, Wilhelmina Trout WMW a écrit :
>> >
>> > Dear Gina
>> > my sincerest apologies for not being present these past days in these
>> > discussions, after my last task of sending you my notes.  Thank you for
>> > taking over & carrying the load.
>> >
>> > I am sure you, with the rest of the world, witnessed the recent killings
>> > of
>> > striking mine workers at the Lonmin Mine here in Marikane, it has
>> > shocked
>> > the world & here in South Africa we are trying to come to grips with the
>> > loss of lives and to make sense of this brutality.
>> >
>> > But for now I will follow the discussions & continue participating
>> > actively
>> > in the group shortly.
>> >
>> > In solidarity
>> > wilhelmina
>> >
>> > On 20 August 2012 22:41, gina vargas <ginvargas@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>  dear friends, I am sending some ideas in attachment. Please respond as
>> >> soon as posible
>> >>
>> >> amig@s, estoy enviando algunas ideas en el docuemtno anexado; por favor
>> >> respondan pronto
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Gina
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2012/8/19 Francine Mestrum <mestrum@skynet.be>
>> >>>
>> >>> (Inglès: ver abajo)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Muchisimas gracias Gina por todo el trabajo!
>> >>>
>> >>> Es muy interesante tu document, pero me preocupa las pocas reacciones
>> >>> que
>> >>> suscita.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Me pregunto si no podria ser por la formulacion de tus dos propuestas:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -          El protocol
>> >>>
>> >>> -          El plan de trabajo
>> >>>
>> >>> Yo no estoy muy segura de entender correctamente lo que quiere decir.
>> >>> El
>> >>> protocol: se trata de establecer las ‘reglas del juego’ de nuestro
>> >>> grupo?
>> >>>
>> >>> Y el ‘plan de trabajo’: las distintas tareas con las
>> >>> responsabilidades?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> No me parece Buena idea de divider el trabajo en distintos grupos,
>> >>> seria
>> >>> una fragmentacion mas, es algo que tenemos que evitar.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> En cuanto a CI o grupo de trabajo: pienso que Chico y Liege tienen
>> >>> razon.
>> >>> Por un lado, porque tener un grupo de trabajo si mandamos todas las
>> >>> infoirmaciones a todos/todas? Por otro lado, pienso que los miembros
>> >>> del CI
>> >>> tienen una necesidad/voluntad de expresar sus frustraciones, seria un
>> >>> ejercicio de ‘catarsis’, pero van a hacerlo por escrito? Eso lo dudo …
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Quizas que en primer lugar todos los miembros del grupo tendrian que
>> >>> mencionar cuales puntos piensan que tienen que ser discutidos?
>> >>>
>> >>> Quizas trabajar con un cuestionario?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> No sé si esas reflexiones pueden ayudar a progresar …
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Esperando las noticias.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Francine
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Thank you very much Gina for all the work done.
>> >>>
>> >>> Your document is very interesting, though I am worried about the lack
>> >>> of
>> >>> reactions …
>> >>>
>> >>> I woner if it could be linked to the working or your two proposals:
>> >>>
>> >>> -          Protocol
>> >>>
>> >>> -          A working plan
>> >>>
>> >>> I am not sure I understand them well. Protocol: do you think of the
>> >>> ‘rules of the game’ our working-group has to follow and respect?
>> >>>
>> >>> Working plan: do you think of a list of different tasks with
>> >>> responsibilities?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I do not think it would be a good idea to split up in different
>> >>> sub-groups, this would me even more fragmentation, something we have
>> >>> to
>> >>> avoid, I think.
>> >>>
>> >>> Concerning IC and/or working-group: I think both Chico and Liege are
>> >>> right. On the one hand, it is no use to have a working group if all
>> >>> messages
>> >>> go to the whole of the IC. On the other hand, I think there also is a
>> >>> need
>> >>> for all members of the IC to espress their frustrations, it coule be a
>> >>> kind
>> >>> of ‘catharsis’, though I am not sure they will do this in writing …
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Maybe the first thing to do is ask all members of the working-group to
>> >>> send a list of points they think will have to be discussed with
>> >>> priority?
>> >>>
>> >>> Maybe we should work with a questionnaire?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Well, I do not know if these reflections are going to help …
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Waiting for more news,
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Francine
>> >>>
>> >>> Van: gina vargas [mailto:ginvargas@gmail.com]
>> >>> Verzonden: 15 August 2012 14:01
>> >>> Aan: wg-about-future@lists.openfsm.net
>> >>> Onderwerp: [WG about future] Re: confirmando que funciona
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Querid@s amigos, aca va una propuesta para continuar nuestro trabajo.
>> >>> Espero sus comentarios y propuestas para avanzar.
>> >>>
>> >>> Dear friemnds, here I am sending a proposal to see how we can continue
>> >>> working.  Waiting for your comments and propsals to began to work.
>> >>>
>> >>> the traslation to english have been done in google; although I have
>> >>> correct it, I am not sure that is good englsi. Maybe some of you that
>> >>> know
>> >>> both can check?
>> >>>
>> >>> besos
>> >>> Gina
>> >>>
>> >>> 2012/8/12 gina vargas <ginvargas@gmail.com>
>> >>>
>> >>> Hola gentes, a sugerencia de Pierre, nos comunicaremos a traves de
>> >>> esta lista. Esta es una prueba para ver si esto funciona.
>> >>>
>> >>> Dear friends , Pierre sugests that we comunicate through this list.
>> >>> This is a prove to see if it functions.
>> >>>
>> >>> Gina
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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