• poa20 input4 en

last modified April 5 by facilitfsm


This page relates the exchanges in the IC chat from February 28 (call for the CF Mexico assembly) to April 1
It also mentions the messages sent in the CI mailing list in @ 14B
http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/wsficindex/#POA20

Note: there are several inputs translated into English @ 2 @ 3 @ 4 @ 10 @ 11 @ 14B @ 24 @ 28 @ 33 @ 37 @ 41 @ 44 @ 44B

@1 CALL ASSEMBLY CF Mex March 14 - @2 LOGO COMPETITION FSM 2021- @3 ARTICLE OF FRANCINE A POWERFUL IDEA - @4 INTERVIEW OF LIEGE E PIERRE POST CI POA - @5 SESSION OF WELCOME SPACE WOMEN AND FEMINISMES @6 FOSPA IS POSTPONED - @7 MAURI SHARES ARTICLE - @8 WOMEN STRIKE MARCH 8 - @9 TIBURCIO SHARES ARTICLE AUDIO GRAMSCI - @10 PIERRE PUBLISHES IC CHRONOLOGY AND CHRONICLE MONTH OF FEBRUARY TOWARDS  WSF2021 - @11 WARD OFF MESSAGE FROM BOAVENT ALERT CHICO  @12 FLORA SHARES INFORMATION SEMINAR - @13 WARD OFF MESSAGE FROM BOAVENTURA - ALERT CHICO 11 - FRANCINE'S RESPONSE TO CHICO - @14 PROBLEMS WITH THE IC LIST? @14B MARCH PUBLICATIONS IN IC LIST - @15 BOAVENTURA WARD OFF MESSAGE 11- AZRIL DIALOGUE INITIATIVE IN RELATION TO ISA - @16 BOAVENTURA WARD OFF MESSAGE - CHICO 11 ALERT - @ 17 BOAVENTURA WARD OFF MESSAGE 11  CHICO ALERT - AZRIL INPUT EXCHANGE WITH FRANCINE - @18 INPUT SHEILA / WE ARE REPRESENTATIVES OF ORGANIZATIONS - @19 ROSA INVITATION REAFFIRMING WHICH ORGANIZATIONS WE ARE REPRESENTATIVES OF - @20 FOSPA EVENT POSTPONED TO NOVEMBER - @21 INPUT BY HECTOR FS: GATHER - CONSENSUS - @22 JANNETH'S INPUT/ THE FORUM IS MORE THAN THE CI - @23 WARD OFF MESSAGE FROM BOAVENTURA ALERTA CHICO11 - LEO'S INPUT 16 - ROSA'S RESPONSE - @24 CHICO INPUT ON TOPICS BY HECTOR 21 ENGLISH - @25 WARD OFF MESSAGE BOAVENTURA  - CHICO ALERT 11 - INPUT LEO 16 - ROSA RESPONSE 23 LEO RESPONSE - @26 FOLLOWS LIST OF IC CONFIRMATIONS - @27 INPUT CHICO  ON ISSUES TOUCH BY HECTOR 21 ENGLISH - @28 TIBURCIO  INPUT ON IC TIMELINE CI TOWARDS WSF 2021 - @29 LEONARDO SHARES - @30 CHICO INPUT ON DECISION BY CONSENSUS IN THE IC AND THE ASSEMBLY OF 14 IN MEXICO ENGLISH - @31 PARTICIPATION ON LINE IN THE ASSEMBLY OF MARCH 14 IN MEXICO - @32 INPUT CHICO ON DECISION BY CONSENSUS IN THE IC AND THE 14TH ASSEMBLY IN MEXICO 30 - SUPPLEMENT AND COMMENTARY SHEILA - @33 CHICO INPUT ON DECISION BY CONSENSUS IN THE IC  AND THE 14TH ASSEMBLY IN MEXICO ENGLISH - @34 NEWS FROM ITALY - @35 PARTICIPATION IN ASSEMBLY LINE MARCH 14 - @35B REPORT  VIDEO ASSEMBLY TRANSCRIPT - @36 CHICO SHARES ARTICLE - @37 TIBURCIO INPUT ON DEBATE SOCIAL NETWORK  - @38 ROSA ON YOUTH CAMP MEXICO - @39 AFTER THE CORONAVIRUS ASSEMBLY - @40 AZRIL SHARES ARTICLE - @41 CARMINDA INVITATION TO VIRALOPENSPACE - @42 AZRIL SHARES ARTICLE - @43 MATEOS SHARE ONLINE SEMINAR - @43B ROUND TABLE ONLINE FROM MEXICO - SESSION 1 OF THE PLURI SESSION SELF ORGANIZED ENCOUNTER EX040 - @44 JASON SHARES VIRAL OPEN SPACE - @44B NOTES FROM VOS VIRTUAL OPENSPACE FIRST SESSION ENGLISH - @45 LIEGE SHARE STATEMENT - @46 AUDIO FROM  ROSA IN CARTA MAIOR - @ 46B COMMUNICATION COMMUNICATION MEETING MEXICO  WEBSITE WSF2021 SITUATION- @47 ARRIVING IN  1 APRIL 

@ 0 CHRONICLE IC CHAT  MONTH 2 MARCH HEADING TO FSM2021

@ 1 CALL ASSEMBLY CF Mex March 14

02/28/2020 à 20:19 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: <Médias omis>

02/28/2020 à 20:19 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: <Médias omis>

02/28/2020 à 20:19 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: <Médias omis>

02/28/2020 à 20:19 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: <Médias omis>

02/28/2020 à 20:20 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: Sheila can be uploaded on the WSF 2018 website. @ 33695808104 can be uploaded to the openfsm.net site Thank you !!

02/28/2020 à 20:26 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: <Médias omis>

02/28/2020 à 21:08 - Francine CETRI: good call, but has Mauri's briefing note already been distributed? Do IC members already know that there will be a forum in Mexico?

http://openfsm.net/projects/cifsm2021/cifsm2021-articulacion

02/28/2020 à 21:16 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: I think we should return to the note made by Mauri. Make the necessary adjustments.

02/28/2020 at 21:27 - Héctor (ex ASC): That's right ...

02/28/2020 à 21:58 - Rita CIRANDA: Other languages?

02/28/2020 à 22:00 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: I sent it in 4 languages. It came to them?

02/28/2020 à 22:01 - Rita CIRANDA: I can't find her.

03/02/2020 à 18:40 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002 to ajouté Azril

03/02/2020 à 18:41 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: Welcome Azril from Sweden. This is the chat of CI member entities.

03/02/2020 at 18:46 - Azril (OBS): Thanks, Rosa! We will see which of my "hats" work as I am a member of several organizations represented at CI-WSF. Brotherly hug. Azril

03/02/2020 à 19:10 - Sheila IPF / CEAAL: Olá Azril, bem coming to or group. 😊

As regards "hats", it is important that one of the organizations of which you participate participates as a non-representative representative. Isso can be ugly by sending an email to the CI list or to Hamouda, from the IC WSF Executive Secretary.

03/02/2020 à 19:11 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: 👍🏼

03/02/2020 à 19:11 - Sheila IPF / CEAAL: Contato do Hamouda

03/02/2020 à 19:11 - Sheila IPF / CEAAL: Abraços

03/04/2020 à 18:25 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: Francine this is the IC chat !!

03/04/2020 à 18:26 - Francine CETRI: ah!

@ 2 LOGO COMPETITION FSM 2021

03/04/2020 à 21:36 - Rita CIRANDA:

Open competition for the WSF 2021 logo

https://wsf2018.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Convocatoria-Logo-FSM-2021-versi%C3%B3n-Espa%C3%B1ol-1.pdf

Open competition for the WSF 2021 logo

https://wsf2018.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Convocatoria-Logo-FSM-2021-versi%C3%B3n-English-1.pdf

Concours ouvert pour le logo WSF 2021

https://wsf2018.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Convocatoria-Logo-FSM-2021-versi%C3%B3n-Franc%C3%A9s-6.pdf

Alberto contest for logo of the WSF 2021

https://wsf2018.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Convocatoria-Logo-FSM-2021-versi%C3%B3n-Espa%C3%B1ol-1.pdf

@ 3 FRANCINE'S ARTICLE A POWERFUL IDEA

03/04/2020 à 23:14 - Francine CETRI: An article I wrote last year for a book that was never published ... maybe it can still be useful to contextualize the upcoming forum in Mexico

03/04/2020 at 23:14 - Francine CETRI: Reinventing the World Social Forum: how powerful an idea can be

Francine Mestrum CETRI, Louvain-la-Neuve, Belgium

03/04/2020 at 23:19 - UPMS Standard: Can someone translate it into Spanish or Portuguese?

03/04/2020 at 23:20 - Francine CETRI: exists in Spanish, is in the facilitation chat

03/04/2020 at 23:34 - Francine CETRI: Reinventing the World Social Forum: How powerful an idea can be.

03/04/2020 at 23:35 - UPMS Standard: Thank you!

03/05/2020 à 19:10 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: Thank you very much Francine, Your article raises very interesting questions, it is very important to take them up again. Greetings. // Thank you very much Francine, Your article raises very interesting questions, it is very important to retake them. Greetings.

03/05/2020 à 22:19 - Francine CETRI: Mauri, it seems to me that the text of the information note is good and urgent. we have to start at the same time with the call. http://openfsm.net/projects/cifsm2021/cifsm2021-articulacion-insumo2

03/05/2020 à 22:41 - Azril (OBS):

It seems to me an excellent document that outlines a point of view and defines the areas of divergence between two positions that have been outlined over time, until reaching personal edges. Faced with this type of divergence, there are two solutions: confrontation and dialogue. The WSF 2021 can result in a schism, of the many of the churches and historical lefts - or as I think possible and desirable, to settle differences and take a leap forward.

All the subjects that Francine mentions with great elegance and coherence are perfectly debatable, unless you already have the final and immovable answer. I believe that apart from the old voices, among which I place myself, there are organizations, movements and new and younger people whose voices deserve to be heard. With the utmost respect for veterans and aware of our limitations. Fraternally and dialogically. Azril

03/05/2020 à 01:48 - Tibúrcio CIRANDA: OUÇA agora, clicking no link. Podcasts in Portuguese and Spanish. Highlights of interviews and calls in Portuguese: http://bit.ly/38lwgEP

03/05/2020 à 01:48 - Tibúrcio CIRANDA: LISTEN now, by clicking on the link. Podcasts in Portuguese and Spanish. Highlights of the interviews and the Call in Spanish. http://bit.ly/2wwntmg

03/05/2020 à 01:48 - Tibúrcio CIRANDA: UNDERSTAND maintenant in cliquant sur le lien. Podcasts in Portugais et en Espagnol. Faits saillants des interviews et Appel in Français.http: //bit.ly/38ozffG

03/05/2020 à 01:48 - Tibúrcio CIRANDA: HEAR now by clicking on the link. Podcasts in Portuguese and Spanish. Highlights of the interviews and Call in English. http://bit.ly/2uQjgJI


@ 5 SESSION WELCOME MEETING SPACE FOR WOMEN AND FEMINISMS

03/05/2020 à 19:38 - Alejandra DAWN: <Médias omis>

03/05/2020 à 19:38 - Alejandra DAWN: It's today!

03/05/2020 à 19:50 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: Yes.

03/05/2020 à 19:53 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: Here the Link: https://meet.jit.si/EX024T14QueYComoEspMujeresYFeminismosFSMXIV

03/05/2020 à 22:33 - Alejandra DAWN: I think that the agreements are the most important thing. The rest I do not think it is easy to start editing. I only propose to share steps to follow

03/06/2020 à 17:01 - Fanny CEAAL: https://media.metrolatam.com/2020/03/05/finallll-3e3ac04a4ebb43a0b9dc0faa19e0aad2-1200x0.jpg

@ 6 FOSPA IS POSTPONED

03/06/2020 at 23:52 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: * [We are Fospa] *

* [Public release] *

* For the defense of life, IX FOSPA Mocoa 2020 is postponed *

_Before COVID 19 rises in risk, local authorities in Mocoa decide to temporarily postpone the holding of the IX International Meeting of the Panamanian Social Forum ..._

* See here the full statement of the FOSPA Panama Amazon Social Forum and video of the press conference: *

https://bit.ly/2PRRrrM

🍃 _For life, we defend the Amazon_ 🍃

03/07/2020 à 01:39 - Fanny CEAAL: * [We are Fospa] *

03/07/2020 à 06:34 - Azril (OBS): The prudent does not take away the brave, right?

03/07/2020 à 06:39 - Uddhab NIGD: 

03/07/2020 à 15:04 - Alberto CF FME: Ce message a eté supprimé.

03/07/2020 à 15:07 - Celita DAWN: <Médias omis>

03/07/2020 à 15:07 - Celita DAWN: <Médias omis>

@ 7 MAURI SHARE ITEM

03/07/2020 à 16:59 - Mauri ABONG: RT. MADURO ACCUSES US OF PUSHING BRAZIL TO AN ARMED CONFLICT AGAINST VENEZUELA

Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro accused the US government of "pushing Brazil into an armed conflict with Venezuela."

"We ask the democratic sectors, humanists, the people of Brazil and the military forces to stop any adventure by Jair Bolsonaro, in coordination with Donald Trump, against Venezuela," Maduro asked during an act with mayors and governors.

According to Venezuelan President Bolsonaro, "he was summoned to the Donald Trump mansion in Miami" to debate Venezuela "as the only topic" on the agenda.

"From the White House a plan has been decided to bring war, terrorism, to destabilize and fill Venezuela with violence, to escalate an armed conflict and justify military intervention in our country," he denounced in this regard.

In this sense, the President of Venezuela also called for "maximum dissemination" of the campaign "Sanctions are a crime", which seeks to demonstrate the damage caused by the actions of the US government against the Venezuelan people. For Maduro, those coercive measures by Washington are "a supreme and racist contempt" against his country.

https://es.rt.com/7edh

@ 8 FEMINIST STRIKE MARCH 8

03/08/2020 à 14:00 - Flora DAWN: https://transformadora.org/es/8m-huelga-internacional-feminista

03/08/2020 à 14:02 - Flora DAWN: https://transformadora.org/en/8m-international-feminist-strike

03/08/2020 à 14:02 - Flora DAWN: https://transformadora.org/fr/8m-greve-feministe-internationale

03/08/2020 à 14:30 - Mauri ABONG: <Médias omis>

03/08/2020 à 14:34 - Mauri ABONG: <Médias omis>

03/08/2020 à 14:37 - Janneth REPEM: <Médias omis>

03/08/2020 à 15:30 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: Here the video of IMDEC, Kóokay, Red Mesoamerikab and CEAAL, heading to the Strike of March 9: https://bit.ly/32UMIuK

03/08/2020 à 15:37 - Liege FDIM: <Médias omis>

03/08/2020 à 16:30 - Alejandra DAWN: https://www.instagram.com/p/B9ebNuGJtD8/?igshid=1oznzftiv7aw9

03/08/2020 à 17:16 - Alessia KURD NETW: <Médias omis>

03/08/2020 à 17:16 - Alessia KURD NETW: <Médias omis>

03/08/2020 à 18:39 - Alberto CF FME: 👍  🏼 Can you translate?

03/08/2020 à 18:44 - Celita DAWN: <Médias omis>

03/09/2020 à 12:28 - Azril (OBS): <Médias omis>

03/09/2020 à 13:26 - Alberto CF FME: Almanac nº 119 Fevereiro 2020 Secretaria Executiva do CI do

WORLD EDUCATION FORUM http://almanaquefme.org/almanaque_119.html

03/09/2020 à 13:42 - Azril (OBS): Hello Albert. Returning to the arena. Hug. Azril

03/09/2020 at 13:47 - Alberto CF FME: 👍

03/09/2020 à 15:52 - Tibúrcio CIRANDA: <Médias omis>

@ 9 TRIBUTE SHARE AUDIO ARTICLE GRAMSCI

03/09/2020 à 15:52 - Tibúrcio CIRANDA: Ouça agora or _Clássicos em Podcast_ about * Gramsci * e leia or Editorial * "Nisso nós acreditamos" *, clicking no link: http://bit.ly/2VWKucM

03/10/2020 à 19:26 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: <Médias omis>

@ 10 PIERRE PUBLISHES TIMELINE AND CHRONICLE FEBRUARY TOWARDS WSF 2021

03/10/2020 at 23:18 - Pierre CARITAS INTL PX00004:

ENGLISH

Dear representatives of IC member entities

It has been more than a month since we met in Porto Alegre and made decisions regarding the WSF 2021 event process in Mexico

The information flows the IC list CI, the IC chat, the chats of 3 commissions IC WSF 2021 that were created,

And for "IC companions" in the Mexican collective (who do not represent the IC, but contribute, there is their experience in the Mexican collective

With this material one can make a CHRONOLOGY (with 35 episodes @ 1 to @ 35)

Then it can be commented in a CHRONICLE regrouping the episodes for 10 themes (A to K)

The idea is to propose an overview of what happened in this month and is pending in these different channels.

Hoping that it will be useful for the tasks of IC co responsibility CI for the success of the process - event WSF2021

Welcoming your comments

Pierre


@ 11 WARD OFF MESSAGE FROM BOAVENTURA - ALERT CHICO

03/11/2020 à 00:14 - Chico CBJP PX00114: Dear companions

http://openfsm.net/projects/wsfic_fsmci/poa20-input3.2

  • In the internet networks nobody can know who receives their messages. Thus, I received a message from a member of the WSF International Council who surprised me with its content. On the one hand, due to the serious suspicions that it raises regarding another IC member and automatically the network of organizations that it represents. On the other hand, for proposing the “swelling” of an IC member of the preparation of an WSF - a measure never used before in the WSF process, for being totally contrary to the spirit of dialogue that is at the origin of the WSF to unite all those who oppose neoliberalism.
  • Specifically: the message in question was sent by Boaventura de Souza Santos to Francine Mestrum, on March 2, 2020, of which I disagree with the following paragraph: “I want to say to all that I fully share the concerns of Francine and many from you and you. As Leo had already suggested, Pierre must be afstated from the preparation of the WSF Mexico. If it does not, it will have to be openly denounced for violating the principles of autonomy of the constant movements of the letter. This man has a very specific and suspicious agenda with which we cannot identify. The confrontation will have to be open because otherwise I suspect that your effort so generous and so genuine will be wasted and put at the service of hidden geostrategic agendas. It will be the final discredit of the WSF ”.
  • In fact, it is the first time that, in the almost 20 years of the WSF's history, a member of the IC openly declares that another member of the IC itself must be “thrust” out of preparatory activities for a WSF. All IC members are invited to participate in these preparatory activities. This is one of the ways in which the joint responsibility of the IC is exercised in support of the local organizers of the event, respecting their autonomy since the WSF Charter of Principles is also respected by them, so that the event can be considered a “ World Social Forum ”.
  • Now, Boaventura and those who accompany it have long wanted to change this Charter of Principles. They have not managed to bring this discussion to the WSF International Council, which is the only agency with legitimacy to make such modifications, since it has been drafted and approved in 2001. Boaventura then proposes, and repeats it in this same message later, That it be given to WSF 2021, in Mexico, a “constituent” power, to change the Charter and organize the WSF as they see fit. And from this arise his disagreements with the IC member who wants to aftastar, accusing him of preventing this from being done.
  • One such transgression of the elementary rules of democracy is clearly a usurpation of power, in the good tradition of the coups d'état against which we insurge. Being that there would be no need to perpetrate it, since the IC will surely try to discuss concrete proposals for change in the Charter, which are presented to it by demand of the changes of the world in these 19 years. And surely it will do so by seeking consensus in its decisions - a more construtive practice, experimented throughout its time of existence, to resist the tendencies of "division" that historically weaken the left, created by the dominant capitalist competitive culture.
  • But in fact what those who invest against the Charter are looking for is to change the very character of the WSF, as a "horizontal space" that welcomes the diversity of all the struggles necessary to overcome neo-liberalism. They seem to wish that the forums stop being an occasion of practical “re-education” of their participants for a respectful dialogue of the different strategies for this improvement, as well as an opportunity to build networks and partnerships in their actions.
  • According to them, the WSF, once organized as a pyramid of power, should become a well-disciplined political champion according to directives from the top. Thus they would become a place of exercise and struggle for power among its participants who consider themselves bearers of the truth about what a WSF is or what should be and how it should be organized, or even about how to overcome neoliberalism.
  • So they are working so that this fight within the WSF finally begins with the determination of “afastaje” contained in the message, although it is not well known what power Boaventura and those who accompany it are invested in giving the “ordem of afastaje " And who will be able to do it or how will they do it? But without a doubt it is sad to note that the order given in the message has, rather, for the justifications presented, the smell of the "expurgos" of sad memory.
  • I do not know how the other members of the IC will react when they get to know the message that I am commenting on here, nor will the organizations that have entrusted their representation in the IC to the person they intend to afface. I also do not know how IC members who are trying, in Mexico or outside of Mexico, will react to build a dialogue regarding the Charter of Principles that will ensure the success of WSF 2021, at the difficult moment that the world is living, facing the fascist threat and environmental risks. I only hope that the initiative to destroy the message I am commenting on here does not contaminate the mutual trust that must exist in the assembly that Mexicans will hold in the near future to form their Facilitation Committee for WSF 2021 - which may have a particularly important historical role in strengthening all of us. in the difficult struggle that we are engaged in all over the world.

With my hug, Chico CBJP PX00114 Whitaker (03/10/2020)

03/11/2020 à 00:37 - Celita DAWN: What a shame !! Cuddle Boy CBJP PX00114

03/11/2020 à 00:39 - Chico CBJP PX00114: I still have hope ...

03/11/2020 à 00:41 - Francine CETRI: sure Chico CBJP PX00114, there is absolutely no reason to despair. I answer you later

03/11/2020 at 00:44 - CBJP Boy PX00114: Thank you, Francine

03/11/2020 at 00:58 - Gina AFM: Hugs, !!

03/11/2020 at 00:59 - Francine CETRI:  ️

@12 FLORA SHARES INFORMATION SEMINAR

03/11/2020 à 02:15 - Flora CTB: * International Seminar: *

THE FUTURE OF LABOR: * TRADE UNION AND SOLIDARY ECONOMY *

We will hold an International Seminar to discuss with the main union centrals, the role of the Solidarity Economy as an instrument of the union movement in the organization of workers in the face of changes in the world of work.

In recent years, while the creation of solidarity and self-management enterprises has proliferated as a way of organizing workers, unions have also sought to strengthen themselves and reaffirm their historic commitment to the increasingly heterogeneous working class. Therefore, it is necessary to understand what kind of relationship has been fought between unionism and the solidarity economy today, especially with regard to the representation of workers around their common interests.

We built a debate agenda that triggers the preparatory actions for the 14th edition of the World Social Forum, in January 2021 in Mexico, focusing on the Tent of the Future of Work - action with more than 30 activities guided by national and international union centers.

03/11/2020 à 02:16 - Flora CTB: <Médias omis>

@13 WARD OFF  MESSAGE FROM BOAVENTURA - ALERT CHICO  11 - FRANCINE'S RESPONSE TO CHICO - INPUT AZRIL & GINA

03/11/2020 à 05:24 - Francine CETRI: Ce message a eté supprimé.

03/11/2020 à 05:28 - Francine CETRI: Ce message a eté supprimé.

03/11/2020 à 06:11 - Francine CETRI:

Dear Chico

  • some members of the IC will agree with Boaventura, others will not, some members of the IC agree with the charter (a principle and others not; but we have all always respected it. This is an important fact to spare. And Boaventura he is only a member, highly respected, that is, of the IC. He has no more power than other members. And he has the right, like all of us, to his opinions.
  • The discussion about changing the letter of principles seems to me resolved for a while, as I said, those who do not accept it if they respect it and know that it is not easy or totally impossible to change it. So this point of divergence within IC is now part of our diversity and it seems to me that we can easily live with it.
  • But your Boy interpretation of what opponents to the letter want is totally wrong. It is not about a 'power pyramid', it is not about the longing for a 'politburo' or a power struggle, on the contrary. It is very simply the fact that this letter was made 20 years ago and that the world has changed, civil society has changed and today's political situation requires more than what the letter allows or does not allow. Personally I very much hope that one day you will accept it. So we are the opponents to the letter that we have tried to dialogue for years, we are not the ones who seek division, on the contrary, we follow the dialogue and we will always follow it. Once again, we respect the letter, nobody will ask for anything else, all the facilitators and participants in the Mexico forum will "work within the general framework of the WSF", without problems. But within the forum, we can discuss our issues and we can start a reflection on the changes that we think are necessary. It is evident that you will be invited to these discussions. We very much hope that minimal flexibility will be possible.
  • One more small word about Pierre. I say this openly because I already said it directly to him and we discussed it a lot here in Mexico. When we organized the round table, after the CI in POA, we received several letters from participants in the facilitating collective with complaints about the way Pierre works. It is a very serious problem, because it is about imposing rules and rules and two-page commitment letters etc. etc. He invents rules that never existed before, he is extremely bureaucratic. Try to impose an absolute rule of consensus. You know very well Chico that we have always sought consensus, and it seems very important to me. But it is not always possible and not admissible for a single member to veto a decision. T
  • e you agree that the decision in POA in 2017 on the WSF in Salvador was taken by vote, there was no consensus @@@. These are exceptions, but sometimes it is necessary. We have already explained and repeated to Pierre everything about the letter and about the consensus, but he continues to insist, he manipulates people and shows a total lack of confidence.
  • If there is a division,Chico  it is there. Organizing a forum needs a margin of flexibility, always. The people in Mexico who work in the facilitator collective are very willing, you know Hector and now you also know Rosy. I have total confidence in them. They are enthusiastic and highly motivated. Please let them work. We all know that Pierre has the merit of working hard for the WSF, but sometimes he exaggerates and also lacks the minimum flexibility.
  • So Chico, the problem is not Boaventura, which I respect a lot, the problem is not the letter of principles or the lack of consensus, the problem is a lack of confidence in the possibilities of agreement and consensus among Mexicans.
  • We have the right, it seems to me, to discuss what interests us for the future of the forum, within the forum. As usual, we will have one or more assemblies on this future, you will be, like everyone else, very welcome. I very much hope that this forum in Mexico will be possible, with everyone's help and with everyone's enthusiasm. Boaventura said one thing that seems very fair to me: the WSF needs Mexico, more than Mexico needs the forum. This forum, in today's circumstances, can give a new impetus, it can mean a true renewal of the WSF on its 20th anniversary. Hopefully.

A hug, Francine

03/11/2020 à 13:53 - Chico CBJP PX00114: Thanks Francine. I answer you logo that I can

03/11/2020 at 14:31 - Azril (OBS):

  • Thank you, Chico, Francine and all of us who are closely following this dialogue that clarifies the panorama of agreements and disagreements that have accompanied us since the 2001 Bing bang, whose lights and shadows frame not only WSF 2021 but the future of the process. of the same. With the same lights and shadows that distinguish us as people and members of the CI-WSF, I agree with Chico's refusal to excommunicate Pierre.
  • As we know, the companion can be heavy as his friends and adversaries blame him. But apart from who cast the first stone, a great merit of Pierre is having transcribed the recent debates in several languages ​​+ supporting Vera in Belgrade with the dialogue platform open to all voices that are committed to dialogue and not to schism. I have more to say on the issues of disagreement that Francine summed up so well. Like many, I have suffered the syndrome of the conflict of loyalties between Chico and Boa, recognizing the valuable contributions of both and, therefore, arguing that the WSF process does not belong to anybody of those involved. Also invite whoever drops the glove to avoid giving low blows that detract from their intellectual brilliance. Fraternally. Azril

03/11/2020 à 14:36 ​​- Chico CBJP PX00114: Thanks Azril. Let's continue talking

03/11/2020 à 14:52 - Francine CETRI: Azril, nobody proposes to excommunicate Pierre, the words in the email may be unfortunate, but they are 'way of speaking', please.

03/11/2020 à 14:53 - Azril (OBS): Does excluding from CI-FSM sound better?

03/11/2020 at 15:06 - Francine CETRI: no

03/11/2020 à 15:13 - Chico CBJP PX00114: The difficult thing is to dialogue ...

03/11/2020 à 15:15 - Francine CETRI: it is not difficult if one / one is of good will and sincere

03/11/2020 à 15:24 - Chico CBJP PX00114: What is expected of all of us

03/11/2020 at 15:30 - Celita DAWN: In Spanish, it sounds very hard to stay (Portuguese) to move away is the same as to exclude. You have to be careful with the words and also with the "ownership" as Rita Segato says

03/11/2020 at 15:33 - Francine CETRI: yes

03/11/2020 à 15:39 - Chico CBJP PX00114: The "relearning" that we need includes the language : AuN more than we all speak quietly languages ​​that are not what we know; behind everything is the respect to the different of us

03/11/2020 à 15:48 - Francine CETRI: totally agree, plus the necessary confidence

03/11/2020 à 16:03 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: Respect and trust are essential. Keep in mind what Chico points out, we speak different languages, so it is always necessary to address us with care and assertiveness.

03/11/2020 à 16:04 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: Respect and trust are essential. Keep in mind what Chico points out, we speak different languages, so it is always necessary to address carefully and assertively.

03/11/2020 à 18:25 - Gina AFM: Dear, I already sent

03/11/2020 à 18:32 - Gina AFM: Dear, I want to thank Francine for the way to put the conflict. Although we are in perhaps different positions in several points (modification of the Charter), I agree on the importance of seeking to adapt the dynamics of the WSF, to the context 20 years later approx ... this is a pending discussion difficult to do by this means .. ..and seeing how we do it with care and responsibility, as they say .... of Pierre's work, is undoubtedly important for his dedication, but it has to be more collective, and perhaps simpler, which does not mean less effective .. .. let's tone down and move on

03/11/2020 à 18:33 - Francine CETRI: thanks Gina

03/11/2020 à 18:36 - Celita DAWN: Okay, Gina

03/11/2020 à 18:59 - Fanny CEAAL: Agree Gina.

@ 14 PROBLEMS WITH THE IC LIST?

03/12/2020 à 01:03 - Chico CBJP PX00114: Translation eng comments about message Boaventura please send your mail

03/12/2020 à 01:04 - Chico CBJP PX00114: Traduction fr commentaire message Boaventura svp envoyez votre mail.
03/12/2020 à 01:06 - Chico CBJP PX00114: Tradução port comment mensagem Boaventura please send your email

03/12/2020 at 01:05 - Francine CETRI: there is no CI Chico list?

03/12/2020 at 01:07 - Francine CETRI: Is this discussion worth it, Chico?

03/12/2020 à 01:07 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: We have an incomplete Ci mailing list / We have an incomplete Ci mailing list / We have an incomplete Ci right list / Nous avons une liste de diffusion Ci incomplete

03/12/2020 at 01:07 - Chico CBJP PX00114: My address is having problems with the server. I have sent but I believe that no one received it

03/12/2020 at 01:09 - CBJP Boy PX00114: I don't think so, Francine. But if I have sent it only in Spanish, I must also inform those of other languages ​​so that when closing this discussion everyone has the same information.

03/12/2020 à 01:21 - Chico CBJP PX00114: Rosy no longer knows who is the administrator of the CI list via mail. But I would have to change my address for her to accept me (server change). Perhaps Hamouda is on this list, read and answer me, even if by mail, to my other address: Chico CBJP PX00114wf31@gmail.com. The other server I had has prevented me from communicating myself with him.

03/12/2020 at 01:22 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: Oka. I will write to you.

03/12/2020 à 08:59 - Hamouda FMAS: The IC list is complete

03/12/2020 à 09:00 - Hamouda FMAS: All members received information

03/12/2020 à 09:01 - Hamouda FMAS: The list of watts up is not Official

03/12/2020 à 10:01 - Paco (Focupuller): Grazie Hamouda.

03/12/2020 à 13:47 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: Thanks Hamouda !!!

@ 14B MARCH PUBLICATIONS IN IC  LIST

@ 15 WARDOOFF MESSAGE FROM BOAVENTURA 11- AZRIL DIALOGUE INITIATIVE IN RELATION TO ISA

03/12/2020 à 07:28 - Azril (OBS): Somehow, the emails from Chico and Francine helped to clean up the atmosphere and sharpen the topics in contention. Also in agreement with Gina A and other voices in moving this exchange to another space.

  • For example, the digital platform created based on the session on the future of the WSF organized within the next international sociology forum in the research committee 10 on participation, organizational democracy and self-management, in July 2020 (unless the virus crown prevents this). All dissenting voices were invited to dialogue at that session, before, during and after the event (14-18). Some voices decided to exclude themselves from that dialogue space and organize their own discussion. Dialogue is a difficult but necessary task to overcome the obstacles that prevent us from moving forward as a process of building other possible worlds.
  • The platform is operated by Vera in Belgrade and remains open for everyone in an open space. In it there are previous public debate documents + 5 abstracts (eventually papers) + the opinions and papers of those who wish to participate in this dialogical task in the aforementioned digital space. From the beginning of this initiative, all voices were invited again. She remains open to everyone, including those who self-excluded. In this way, we can ventilate our convergences and divergences in that extended WSF digital site and focus on the difficult organizational tasks of WSF 2021, now also complicated by the coronavirus pandemic. Fraternally. Azril

@ 16 WARD OFF MESSAGE FROM BOAVENTURA - CHICO  ALERT 11 - LEO INPUT

03/12/2020 à 12:43 - Leo EUROMARCHES PX00005: Companions @ s,

The problem is not Pierre as a person, whose dedication to the work of systematizing relevant information we all appreciate. At a meeting in Salvador de Bahia I once said half jokingly: "PIrere is the most human computer I know."

The problem arises when this computer assumes the right to block the work of others as it happened on multiple occasions in the process of preparing the WSF in Mexico:

  • 1) When almost all the Mexican comrades decided that the Assembly of the participants is the highest authority in the Mexican preparatory process PIerre shouted for 15 minutes from Paris: "There is no consensus".
  • 2) When the organizational structure of the PIerre process was discussed in the Preparatory Committee for the WSF, a Process Care Committee was invented to which only he and one other partner belong.
  • 3) In the name of this care, it ruled out in advance the efforts that the Communication Commission that had prepared a proposal for an AFM web page and a logo, reason for which no progress could be made in this regard.
  • 3) I am aware that I myself had obtained financing in Austria for a technical secretary in Mexico almost a year ago, which until now could not be established because there was no „consensus“ in the preparatory committee in this regard.
  • It is not surprising then that these abuses of „consensus“ fell out of favor with most of the participants in the preparation process. In this sense, I agree, as a long-standing anthropologist with Boaventura, when he says that in indigenous communities there is a desire beforehand to seek unity, while the examples cited prove that PIerre and some others, for more merits, They are using the "consensus" to divide and even disavow the decisions of the Assembly, establishing an informal hierarchy on behalf of the IC and the Porto Alegre charter.

Comrades,

I think it is time to overcome this internal crisis that has affected both the IC and many social organizations who, in their dispute with Non-Governmental Organizations, have distanced themselves from the WSF.

In my opinion, this could only be achieved not in a bureaucratic manner, taking refuge in a power of the IC that, as we all know, does not exist, but responding to the demands of the world social movement that is struggling as never before since the creation of the WSF. This involves the work of:

  • 1. Recontact the social movements in their different articulations worldwide, taking advantage of the contacts of the NGOs that are / are only service organizations.
  • 2. To have clear political objectives such as those proposed by Francine at the last IC meeting in Salvador de Bahía: the fight against climate change and the fight against dictatorships disguised as „democracies“.
  • 3) Put aside our small and sometimes ridiculous fights for a power that does not exist and seek a true consensus that goes beyond bureaucratic formalities.

In this sense, I wish the preparatory assembly for the next WSF that will take place this Saturday in Mexico a lot of success.

With solidarity greetings

Leo

03/12/2020 à 13:48 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: Leo, I think that there are several things that you write that lack precision. I will answer later about it, now I don't have time.

@ 17 WARD OFF MESSAGE FROM BOAVENTURA ALERT CHICO 11 -   AZRIL INPUT EXCHANGE WITH FRANCINE

03/12/2020 at 14:45 - Azril (OBS):

  • I thought that we were complying with Gina's request, which I understood seconded by Francine and Chico not to continue with that type of discussions and personal attacks. I see that unfortunately I was wrong.
  • To start, the coincidence of the physical presence of some veterans in the Mexican organizational process is striking. The paths of the lord are inscrutable, right?
  • From the point of view of decision-making processes, there is no perfect system. At the first self-appointed world civil society forum in Geneva, there was a notorious attempt to manipulate two working groups based on the principle of consensus. He was successful in the group of native peoples and failed in that of Latin America, held back by a journalist from the mst, his fucking server and two Mexican colleagues. In our case, the group that tried to control us was a Cuban command from Miami (!!!).
  • With all due respect to anthropologists, let us remember that there are those who justify patriarchal caciquismo as tradition and "uses and customs" mexica Mexican alchemists are experts in hauling groups to control assemblies and co-opt, with or without hired joints. Therefore, there is no perfect decision-making system. Is the populist majority democratic?
  • Is it numbers or a process that gathers the majority feeling and the minority voices? The facilitation function has made redundant the dynamic of the WSF easier so far and we hope it will continue to do so. Fraternally. Azril

03/12/2020 à 14:55 - Francine CETRI: What do you mean Azril with the coincidence of the physical presence of some veterans? Aren't you playing a very risky game? please explain

03/12/2020 à 15:03 - Azril (OBS): A few words to a good listener.

03/12/2020 à 15:11 - Francine CETRI: that is very dangerous Azril, if you do not know the personal situation of these 'veterans' and it is inadmissible

03/12/2020 à 15:11 - Azril (OBS): Indeed, there are risks when thinking and giving opinions freely!

03/12/2020 à 15:12 - Francine CETRI: so I am one of the spies trying to influence the process, is that it?

03/12/2020 à 15:14 - Azril (OBS): It is not admissible to put unspoken words into the mouth of others, Francine.

03/12/2020 à 15:14 - Francine CETRI: then you have to explain clearly

03/12/2020 à 15:18 - Azril (OBS): I have no doubt that you are influencing the process, from your own perspective. I from mine. That does not make us "spies" but actors in a process with fractions outlined.

03/12/2020 à 15:20 - Francine CETRI: that is not serious Azril, you cannot insinuate things without clarifying them

03/12/2020 at 15:28 - Azril (OBS): Is it serious to put words in other people's mouths?

03/12/2020 à 15:35 - Francine CETRI: Azril, I want to know what you mean by 'the coincidence of the physical presence of some veterans ...' Is it possible?

03/12/2020 à 16:07 - Azril (OBS): I mean that there are coincidences by chance and coincidences by design. I was struck by the aforementioned coincidence. You must know better than I about the nature of that coincidence. My question is valid! Now explain to me the risk of questioning a notorious coincidence!

03/12/2020 à 16:08 - Francine CETRI: who do you mean? Boa? read? I ?

@ 18 SHEILA INPUT / WE ARE REPRESENTATIVES OF ORGANIZATIONS

03/12/2020 at 15:28 - Sheila IPF / CEAAL: Pessoal, I have a drink here to be considered. Or the international council of the WSF and is composed by organizações da sociedade civil, which share two principles and are listed in the Charter, and all here are indicated by them for their representatives. Right?

Isso adds many responsibilities to those falas, which we must translate or that the organizations think. I understand that now is the time to contribute to the construction of a process that is light to the WSF that fulfills an important role and does not strengthen the struggles in walking. I suggest thermos is always in mind, as a focus, all of us.

03/12/2020 at 15:35 - Azril (OBS): Thank you, Sheila! I think to begin with that we are all against the causes of global warming and climate emergency. Therefore against extractivism and mega projects. Also against racism and fascism. If we share a vision of other possible worlds, we can bridge our differences with transparency.

03/12/2020 at 15:43 - Sheila IPF / CEAAL: ão No one appears for me who is giving away, só or telephone number. I burned him?

03/12/2020 à 15:44 - Francine CETRI: Azril and Francine

03/12/2020 at 15:44 - Uddhab NIGD: OK

03/12/2020 à 15:44 - Sheila IPF / CEAAL: Quem escreveu isso Ahh ... Azril.

03/12/2020 à 15:45 - Sheila IPF / CEAAL: Thank you Francine

03/12/2020 at 15:50 - Liege FDIM: Concordo com Sheila. Each one of us represents a civil society organization and we are here to strengthen the WSF process, based on the Charter of Principles, building those that unite us to face the challenges that the world presents to us

@ 19 ROSA  INVITATION REAFFIRMING WHICH ORGANIZATIONS WE ARE REPRESENTATIVES OF?

  • 03/12/2020 à 16:07 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: Querides, I read that Hamouda pointed out that this chat is not official and it is true. It seems fundamental to me to know who we are here and what entity we are representing in the IC. I have added most of you and have your names. In some cases I am not clear about their entities. I ask you to please write down your name, country and the entity you represent. This will help us recognize ourselves.
  • 03/12/2020 à 16:09 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: Dear ones, I read that Hamouda pointed out that this chat is not official and it is true. It seems fundamental to me to know who we are here and what entity we are representing in the IC. I have added most of you and have your names. In some cases I am not clear about their entities. I ask you to please write down your name, country and the entity you represent. This will help us recognize ourselves.
  • 03/12/2020 à 16:09 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: Chers amis, j'ai lu que Hamouda a souligné que ce chat n'est pas officiel et c'est vrai. Il me semble fondamental de savoir qui nous sommes ici et quelle entité nous représentons au sein du CI. J'ai ajouté la plupart d'entre vous et j'ai vos noms. Dans certains cas, je ne suis pas clair sur leurs entités. Je vous demande de bien vouloir noter votre nom, votre pays et l'entité que vous représentez. Cela nous aidera à nous reconnaître.
  • 03/12/2020 à 16:09 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: Querides, say that Hamouda bet that this bat-daddy is not official and true. It seems fundamental to me to know who we are here and what entity we are representing non-CI. I have added to most of you and have your names. In some cases, it is not clear about their entities. Peço que anote seu nome, country and entity that you represent. Isso will help us to reconnect us.
  • 03/12/2020 à 16:10 - Liege FDIM: Liege Rocha represents FDIM - Federação Democratica Internacional de Mulheres. I have an email or not that the President of the organization indicates to me for or CI
  • 03/12/2020 à 16:14 - Sheila IPF / CEAAL: Sheila Ceccon, I represent or Instituto Paulo Freire eo CEAAL. Both will send a letter to or CI formally endorsing the indications of the representation.
  • 03/12/2020 à 16:14 - Francisco BDW: Francisco Marí, Delegate of the Bread for the World Directorate (Brot für die Welt) at the CI, founding member of the CI, NGO, Berlin, Germany, https: // www.brot-fuer-die-welt.de/es/pan-para-el-mundo/
  • 03/12/2020 à 16:15 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: Rosy Zúñiga, I represent CEAAL, the letter was sent with Sheila.
  • 03/12/2020 à 16:15 - Francine CETRI: francine mestrum, representing CETRI, Belgium
  • 03/12/2020 à 16:18 - Boaventura UPMS: Boaventura de Sousa Santos representing Universidade Popular dos Movimentos Sociais.
  • 03/12/2020 à 16:19 - Tibúrcio CIRANDA: Carlos Tiburcio, Brazil, I represent Ciranda de Comunicação Compartilhada (together with Rita Freire). Abs.
  • 03/12/2020 à 16:20 - Aziz (CF FSMSSS): Rhali AZIZ FSMSSS? Mondial social forum of la santé et sécurité socialeMaroc
  • 03/12/2020 à 16:21 - Teivo NIGD: Teivo Teivainen, Network Institute for Global Democratization (NIGD), Finland.
  • 03/12/2020 à 16:21 - Sheila IPF / CEAAL: Brazil
  • 03/12/2020 à 16:22 - Hugo ATTAC: Hugo Braun, Germany, ATTAC
  • 03/12/2020 à 16:25 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: Mexico
  • 03/12/2020 à 16:29 - Alonso (CF Fospa): Alonso Gonzalez Del Alcázar, member of the team of communicators of the Panamazonico Social Forum. From Lima Peru.
  • 03/12/2020 à 16:31 - Chico CBJP PX00114: Chico Whitaker, Comissão Brasileira Justiça e Paz.

For other commitments, I allow myself to stop joining this discussion, wishing that it reaches good conclusions, in the perspective of building a respective consensus of differences and divergences. Consensus corresponds to declaring that we continue together although with disagreements. In other words, everyone accepts the decisions that allow moving forward, even if they do not correspond to what one considers the best. decision.

But we are going to continue betting on the organizations that we represent institutionally, not CI in our country. Ainda missing a lot of people .....

  • 03/12/2020 à 16:43 - Michel ALTERNATIVES: Michel Lambert, from Alternatives (Montreal). I was one of the main initiators of the People's Social Forum (equivalent to the Canadian Social Forum)
  • 03/12/2020 à 16:44 - Rita CIRANDA: Rita Freire - Ciranda - Brazil
  • 03/12/2020 à 16:44 - Alejandra DAWN: Alejandra DAWN DAWN Uruguay
  • 03/12/2020 à 16:45 - Rita CIRANDA: I think it would be better to know who is not there to complete the group
  • 03/12/2020 à 16:48 - Leo EUROMARCHES PX00005: Leo European Marches against Unemployment, Precariousness and Social Exclusion, and (sometimes) Prague Spring 2 - Network against far right Extremism and Populism.
03/12/2020 à 16:47 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: I think both. Knowing who we are and knowing who is missing / I think both. Know who we are and know who is missing. / Je pense les deux. Sachez qui nous sommes et savez qui manque. / I love you. Saiba quem we are and saiba quem is missing.

03/12/2020 à 16:52 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: Haomuda can tell us who is missing, in fact he can also add them, he is managed from the chat / Haomuda can tell us who is missing, in fact he can also add them, he is managed from the chat / Haomuda peut nous dire qui manque, en fait il peut aussi les ajouter, il est géré depuis le chat / Haomuda pode tell us what is missing, na verdade ele também can add-them, it is managed by chat .

  • 03/12/2020 at 17:00 - Norma UPMS: Norma, Popular University of Social Movements (UPMS) in Argentina.
  • 03/12/2020 à 17:07 - Mirek PRAGUE SPRING 2: Mirek, Prague Spring 2 - European network against right-wing extremism and populism, based in Eastern Europe.
  • Unfortunately I do not speak Spanish 8-)
  • 03/12/2020 à 17:10 - Annie NOVOX: Annie No Vox International No speaker spanish
  • 03/12/2020 à 17:12 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: No problem. You can write and speak in English or in your mother tongue.
  • 03/12/2020 à 17:13 - Carminda CSTM / FSM2016: Carminda & Raphaël, we were co-coordinator @ s of the Collective FSM 2016 / CTSM-RïSE
  • 03/12/2020 à 17:55 - Rogelio CUT: Rogério CUT Brazil
  • 03/12/2020 à 17:56 - Michel CARITAS INTL: Michel Roy and Pierre George, Caritas Internationalis. The list has been well done, thanks Rosy. Everyone can find the official list of IC members and their organizations on the website. It is not necessary to continue like this.
  • 03/12/2020 à 18:01 - Chico CBJP PX00114:,
  • 03/12/2020 à 18:04 - Sergio CGIL: sergio CGIL Italia
  • 03/12/2020 à 18:05 - Celita DAWN: Celita DAWN
  • 03/12/2020 at 18:30 - Gus CRID: Gustave France CRID Glauber IPAM
  • 03/12/2020 à 18:39 - Markus CIDSE: Markus Brun, Action de carême Suisse pour la CIDSE à Bruxelles
  • 03/12/2020 à 18:45 - Mateus OCLAE: https://youtu.be/oQ1h0NO1X1E
  • 03/12/2020 à 19:12 - Pierre CARITAS INTL PX00004: Pierre, Caritas internacionalis
  • 03/12/2020 à 19:13 - Paco (Focupuller): Paco / - Pacor Antonio wsftv collettivo FocusPuller
  • 03/12/2020 à 19:29 - Leonardo CUT: CUT-Brasil Leonardo
  • 03/12/2020 à 19:43 - Mateus OCLAE: Mateus, Brazil Organização Continental Latino-americana e Caribenha dos Estudantes (OCLAE)
  • 03/12/2020 à 21:13 - Gina AFM: Virginia, Gina Articulación Feminista Marcosur. Latin America

03/12/2020 à 20:05 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: Querides I will remove Azril, when the entity who has delegated us confirms it, I will add it again. Saludos / Dear ones, I will remove Azril, when the entity who has delegated it confirms us, I will add it again. regards / Chers amis, je supprimerai Azril, lorsque l'entité qui l'a délégué nous confirmera, je l'ajouterai à nouveau. Salutations / Querides Removerei or Azril, when we confirm to entidade que o delegou, acrescentarei novamente. Saudações

03/12/2020 à 20:06 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002 Azril withdrawal

  • 03/12/2020 à 20:06 - Jason RIPESSi: Jason, Intercontinental Promotion Network
  • of the Social Solidarity Economy (RIPESS)
  • 03/12/2020 à 20:07 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: What country?
  • 03/12/2020 à 20:08 - Jason RIPESSi: Italy
  • 03/12/2020 à 20:11 - Janneth REPEM: Janneth REPEM Lac - Popular Education Network of Women in Latin America and the Caribbean

@ 20 FOSPA EVENT POSTPONED TO NOVEMBER

03/12/2020 à 16:32 - Alonso (CF Fospa): * [We are Fospa] [Public statement] *

With the unrestricted support of the International Committee to the Fospa Colombia Committee and the decisions taken to safeguard the lives of the citizens of Mocoa and the more than 1800 people registered to participate in the IX International FOSPA Meeting; The joint decision was made to hold this important meeting on November 13, 14, 15 and 16, 2020, in the city of Mocoa, Putumayo- Colombia ...

* Know the reasons for this definition here: http://bit.ly/2vc6nKc For life, we defend the Amazon_ 🍃

03/12/2020 à 16:34 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: Thank you very much Alonso !! Let's share.

03/12/2020 à 16:36 - Sheila IPF / CEAAL: Excellent!

@ 21 HECTOR'S INPUT ON: ADDING TO THE WSF - WSF CHARTER - CONSENSUS

03/12/2020 à 20:13 - Héctor (ex ASC): Dear comrades,

  • Now that I have the opportunity to write something, it seems that Chico, who originated the exchange of opinions that had been taking place, abandoned the conversation and entered into a perhaps healthy impasse. However, I do not want to stop giving a few brief opinions.
  • I leave aside the email alluded to by Chico and its initial implications, and I generally agree on what was expressed by Francine and Leo, so I leave aside several topics to focus on what does seem fundamental to me.
  • The debate on whether or not to change the Charter of Principles has crossed the IC and has been a reason for polarization for some of its members, as well as for some Mexican comrades, even to the point of delirium. In my opinion, currently that debate is not central, it does not make sense, it is out of place. That is to say, surely that letter needs some changes and to be updated, and who can do it would be an international body, not in the Mexican space, but that is a secondary debate. What is truly central is whether social movements and organizations and civil society in its broadest sense will once again see the WSF as the space in which they can meet, converge and develop common responses and strategies to the calamities that are sweeping the world.
  • In other words, what is the use of changing or not the Charter of Principles if the WSF continues to be emptied? A beautiful letter, the old or the new, without social actors? An example: The world has just been shaken at its foundations by a powerful rising women's movement, which questions everything and is at the forefront, in the best sense of the word, of the social movements and of society in general. Will it participate, with its diversity and horizontality, or will it be reflected at least in the next WSF? Will you find it useful for your process and goals? Will you see it as useful for meeting other social movements? Those are the concerns we should have and what we should be discussing more than about the old or the new testament. The principles are important! Some will say. Of course it does, but it is the social actors who give life to these principles and should in any case discuss their reformulation. Or the principles of who are we talking about? Or is it about abiding by what the self-assumed as guardians of the holy scriptures crush us to exhaustion?
  • That is to say, as we are supposed to have agreed in Porto Alegre, the main thing, the priority for this next period and towards the realization of the WSF in Mexico is to work and get international movements, organizations and social networks, and of course Mexicans , participate and take the WSF as a reference, I do not know if as a permanent organizational framework, but at least in the making of its next edition. In other words, we agreed that it is not a matter of doing a WSF by doing it, or doing it anyway because it is its 20th anniversary, etc. It is a matter of truly being a space for the international rearticulation of social movements at a time when they are dispersed and the situation on the planet demands it. That is what we should be discussing and implementing the agreements we made in Porto Alegre to make it possible, rather than the Charter of Principles.
  • Of course, that will not be possible if there are those who use that of the Letter of Principles as a filter or admission test to ensure a control and a role that they would not otherwise have, just because they have remained "faithful" to the initials. Or is it about abiding by what the self-erected as guardians of the holy scriptures crush us to exhaustion? Unfortunately in Mexico there are those who are assuming it that way and can hinder the construction of a successful WSF. In Porto Alegre we agree, prominently and precisely, on the need for the IC to assume an open attitude to dialogue with the social movements towards the construction of the WSF in Mexico. Furthermore, it was said that this was a condition. We agree that we must not fall into ending up holding an empty shell at all costs. An attitude of defending a fortress that exists only in our imagination instead of opening ourselves to a revitalization with social movements could be the grave of the WSF and the Charter of Principles, old or new, its epitaph.
  • The issue of "consensus" goes there. Of course, work must be done on the basis of consensus on diversity and there can be no such thing as a centralized WSF that approves and "dictates line" for all. But consensus is not unanimity, nor is it struggling with taking global agreements and actions on the part of the social actors who converge there, who find in the WSF a ​​useful means to build them. Only in this way will it contribute to building a global social subject - understood in its diversity, horizontality and complexity. And I do not extend more. In any case, that's what I think we should be discussing. Cheers,

03/12/2020 à 21:52 - Leonardo CUT: CUT-Brasil Leonardo according, Hector!

  • The conjuncture is really intense and is rapidly aggravating as the crises are potentiating umas às outras: economic (2008 ainda surprising and turning), political (representative, extreme), geopolitical (oil), health (virus), do trabalho ( precariousness), environmental (climatic emergencies) ...
  • The WSF Mexico 2021 will be opportune and precious for the transformations that we expect, a moment to strengthen "another world possible" and transcend or perish together with this velho world and system that begins to decompose ...
  • ———————- r
  • the conjuncture is really intense and worsening rapidly with the crises potentiating each other: economic (2008 still haunting and coming back), political (of representativeness, the extreme right), geopolitical (oil), health (viruses), labor (precariousness), environmental (climatic emergencies) ...
  • the WSF Mexico 2021 will be timely and precious for the transformations we hope for, a time to strengthen "another world is possible" and to transcend or perish together with this old world and system that are beginning to decompose ...

03/12/2020 à 22:37 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: I like the Hector approach, we certainly have a great challenge.

@ 22 JANNETH INPUT / THE FORUM IS MORE THAN IC

03/12/2020 à 20:25 - Janneth REPEM:

  • Excuse me if I am inopportune, I do not have the conditions to be in the chat for a long time and when I read everything that is happening through this chat, I feel a lot of concern, some of my colleagues at REPEM know that I am fortunately always saying the FORUM is much more than CI .. I stopped participating in CI meetings because I felt that we were not moving forward and that they were interesting but not very productive meetings ... I don't know how many years ago they had issues that were not resolved ... it is necessary, in my opinion: to do Efforts to read the context that has changed and a lot, so that the structural causes remain and deepen, we need changes in the way of stimulating this process, in another way, but for this it is necessary to be able to understand and process the tensions between lines or directly jump to get attention and end up thinning and entangling the environment and we could not get out ...
  • We have to look beyond the particular interests of the sector that I say represent and be able to build from the collective, the inclusive, the democratic, the recognition of other voices ... and give way to forms, methodologies and tools that do not be useful without losing sight of the Other World Possible bet ... thank you and carry on the initiatives that help us process this moment, not bypassing, but facing it in respect and action without harm.

03/12/2020 à 21:14 - Gina AFM: And thanks Janeth,

@ 23 WARD OFF MESSAGE FROM BOAVENTURA ALERT CHICO 11 -   LEO  INPUT 16 SUPPLY - ROSA  RESPONSE

03/12/2020 à 22:43 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002:

ENGLISH Here is my Leo answer about the points of your message:

  • Point 1. We were three people who did not agree, me among one of them. However, we accept the agreement and we have respected it.
  • Point 2. We have had long debates about the organizational structure, including Mauricio in the WG Organizational Structure, in this process Félix, Mauricio, Pierre, Sheila, you and me participated. If you remember, he wanted there to be only 4 commissions - respecting the four directions of the Mexican worldview. From this process of debate and collective construction I made the synthesis and presented it to the Assembly and it was approved, it was part of what we presented in Porto Alegre. As for the “care of the process” commission, it has been reconfigured and has to do with the articulation of different entities interested in participating in the online forum process. Its name has changed and its operation is regular. We are made up of several people who are promoting online spaces and geographic spaces. There is Gabriela from the Espacio Pueblos OriGinario; Miguel, with the Climate, Economy and Environment space; Ana Paula and Ivette with the Territories Space; Jesús and Claudia accompany Ecosol; I accompany two Women and Feminisms and Education and Knowledge; Lucila in Puebla. I think you signed up with the Violence, Wars and Peace space.
  • Point 3. It was not in the name of this commission that Mauricio's efforts were discarded. In this regard, I want to mention that at the May 2019 meeting we formed several committees, one of which was the communication committee in which several people got involved: Mauricio, Pierre, Rita, Tiburcio, Ana Paula and myself. In this time, there has been a lot of pressure to have a website.
  • Mauricio presented a proposal made only by him, which is valuable. In this proposal, he presented content, the logo, the methodology and the organization, all in the google suite. Several, including you, told him that preparation should be part of a collective construction process, but the partner does not listen and is not interested in building collectively.
  • At the same time, I felt a lot of pressure on your part so that the WSF website and logo were ready. This has generated a lot of tension among the people who are part of the Mexican Facilitating Collective. From my accompaniment as part of the CI and as an entity based in Mexico, I pointed out that we should do this construction in dialogue with the CI, especially because we did not have approval from the CI, nor a definite date for the WSF. On the other hand, and with the aim of working with the spirit of the WSF, we contacted colleagues from mayfirst (communication and technology cooperative), rough techniques (feminist communication collective) and electronic ranch. It was approved by consensus in the December Assembly to have a workshop to problematize around What technology does the WSF require? More communication cooperatives and entities that are part of the Facilitating Collective participated in this space, Mauricio also participated in this space. It was evident that it is not clear to him what the various entities that are part of the WSF and the WSF itself are fighting against, since it is not clear to them what neoliberalism means in communication and social networks.
  • To get rid of the need to have a logo for the WSF in Mexico, a GT was created to make the call for the logo, this GT has had its ups and downs and recently we launched the call in four languages ​​and the process is progressing.
  • Point 4 (3). From the WSF Facilitating Collective in Mexico we are very grateful for this effort Leo. From which I worked on the proposal in dialogue with Sheila and Eduardo from CENCOS, the project was approved and we do not yet have a supporting secretariat, I am confident that on Saturday we can define this and implement it.
  • When at the meeting of the Culture Commission you named the three people who would be part of this secretariat, I pointed out that if the Mexican Facilitating Collective is not formally constituted or is not clear on the political sense of the WSF, it cannot be delegated to anyone to perform these tasks. At that meeting - in which I participated online - I said that I did not agree with said appointment, I also said that I had nothing against people, but that it seemed to me that the procedure was not being adequate, that that appointment would have to leave as part of the Assembly itself and not as a person, as was being done at the time. Curiously, two of those three people sent letters to Francine, asking that the IC appoint other people to accompany the process in Mexico, and they also ask that I be dismissed and Pierre be dismissed. This seems very serious to me. I think that these comrades need to know more about what the WSF is and what its spirit is.

Strong hug and I hope to meet you on Saturday at the Assembly of the Mexican Facilitating Collective.

Rosy

03/12/2020 à 22:45 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002:

ENGLISH Here is my Leo answer about the points of your message:

  • Point 1. We were three people who did not agree, me among one of them. However, we accept the agreement and we have respected it.
  • Point 2. We have had long debates around the organizational structure, even Mauricio participated in the Organizational Structure WG, in this process Félix, Mauricio, Pierre, Sheila, you and me participated. If you remember, I wanted there to be only 4 commissions - respecting the four directions of the Mexican worldview. From this process of debate and collective construction I made the synthesis and presented it to the Assembly and it was approved, it was part of what we presented in Porto Alegre. As for the “care of the process” commission, it has been reconfigured and has to do with the articulation of different entities interested in participating in the online forum process. Its name has changed and its operation is regular. We are made up of several people who are promoting online spaces and geographic spaces. There is Gabriela from the OriGinal Peoples Space; Miguel, with the Climate, Economy and Environment space; Ana Paula and Ivette with the Territories Space; Jesús and Claudia accompany Ecosol; I accompany two Women and Feminisms and Education and Knowledge; Lucila in Puebla. I think you signed up with the Violence, Wars and Peace space.
  • Point 3. It was not in the name of this commission that Mauricio's efforts were discarded. In this regard, I want to mention that at the May 2019 meeting we formed several committees, one of which was the communication committee in which several people got involved: Mauricio, Pierre, Rita, Tiburcio, Ana Paula and myself. In this time, there has been a lot of pressure to have a website.
  • Mauricio presented a proposal made only by him, which is valuable. In this proposal, he presented content, the logo, the methodology and the organization, all in the google suite. Several, including you, told him that preparation should be part of a collective construction process, but the partner does not listen and is not interested in building collectively.
  • At the same time, I felt a lot of pressure on your part so that the WSF website and logo were ready. This has generated a lot of tension among the people who are part of the Mexican Facilitating Collective. From my accompaniment as part of the CI and as an entity based in Mexico, I pointed out that we should do this construction in dialogue with the CI, especially because we did not have approval from the CI, nor a definite date for the WSF. On the other hand, and with the aim of working with the spirit of the WSF, we contacted colleagues from mayfirst (communication and technology cooperative), rough techniques (feminist communication collective) and electronic ranch. It was approved by consensus in the December Assembly to have a workshop to problematize around What technology does the WSF require? More communication cooperatives and entities that are part of the Facilitating Collective participated in this space, Mauricio also participated in this space. It was evident that it is not clear to him what the various entities that are part of the WSF and the WSF itself are fighting against, since it is not clear to them what neoliberalism means in communication and social networks.
  • To get rid of the need to have a logo for the WSF in Mexico, a GT was created to make the call for the logo, this GT has had its ups and downs and recently we launched the call in four languages ​​and the process is progressing.
  • Point 4 (3). From the WSF Facilitating Collective in Mexico we are very grateful for this effort Leo. From which I worked on the proposal in dialogue with Sheila and Eduardo from CENCOS, the project was approved and we do not yet have a supporting secretariat, I am confident that on Saturday we can define this and implement it.
  • When at the meeting of the Culture Commission you named the three people who would be part of this secretariat, I pointed out that if the Mexican Facilitating Collective is not formally constituted or is not clear on the political sense of the WSF, it cannot be delegated to anyone to perform these tasks. At that meeting - in which I participated online - I said that I did not agree with said appointment, I also said that I had nothing against people, but that it seemed to me that the procedure was not being adequate, that that appointment would have to leave as part of the Assembly itself and not as a person, as was being done at the time. Curiously, two of those three people sent letters to Francine, asking that the IC appoint other people to accompany the process in Mexico, and they also ask that I be dismissed and Pierre be dismissed. This seems very serious to me. I think that these comrades need to know more about what the WSF is and what its spirit is.

Strong hug and I hope to meet you on Saturday at the Assembly of the Mexican Facilitating Collective.

Rosy

@ 24 CHICOS INPUT ON TOPICS TOUCHED BY HECTOR 21 ENGLISH

03/13/2020 à 04:22 - Chico CBJP PX00114: (I will try to send tomorrow this lines in English)

Hello, good afternoon (or night), I am only now being able to open my computer again, after having left the conversation at noon, as Hector has noted. He had to attend to several commitments, among which a medical visit, since I am in the group of cliff against the corona virus (4th age, diabetes and recently emerged from pneumonia) which is now in full expansion in Brazil (leading to the overcoming of many activities and meetings, including the demonstration of the 14th in Bolsonaro intended to test his strength to try other adventures ...). From the doctor has remained for me the orientation of not leaving my house for a certain time, that is, not making contact with the contagious world outside ... Fortunately, digital contact is still possible ...

  • I have then taken a first look at what has been said as soon as my digital contact was also interrupted, finding many things with which I fully agree, such as, for example, what Hector has said about the place to give to the discussion about the Letter of Principles in the face of the importance of the discussion on how we will make WSF 2021 an excellent Forum (or, as Liege says, “we are here to strengthen or the WSF process is based on the Letter of Principles, building things that unite us to face the challenges that the world presents us with ”); or Janeth's observation: "fortunately I always say the FORUM is much more than the IC" etc, etc.
  • I will not go into this hour of the night in greater considerations, but I would like to propose that in our discussions we separate the various topics, as for example Gina does when she says: “although we are in perhaps different positions on various points (modification of the Letter), I agree on the importance of seeking to adapt the dynamics of the WSF to the context 20 years later ”.
  • On the Charter, a good discussion should be prepared for the IC pos WSF 2021, but without saying generically that it should be modified, but rather indicating what points of it are desired to be modified (opening the possibility of objective discussions).
  • I don't write anymore because it's time to sleep. But I still want to say that I did not understand why remove Azril from this list, although provisionally, if she is official, as Hamouda says. I had understood it as a platform created by Mexican facilitators so that IC members can help those who have the responsibility of organizing the WSF in Mexico, but also others who join them because they participate in some way in the adventure of the FSM, as has been the case for Azril for a long time.
  • In fact this list works well better than the cold email IC lists.

Until tomorrow (Chico W., for those who only see the phone number). .

03/13/2020 à 04:51 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: Boy, thanks for your wise words. Take care!! I took Azril out, because there is no entity that welcomes him. If you agree I can integrate it again. Rest well. 🌷

03/13/2020 à 04:51 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: Chico, thanks for your wise words. Take care !! I took Azril out, because there is no entity that welcomes him. If you agree I can integrate it again. Rest well. 🌷

03/13/2020 à 04:52 - CBJP boy PX00114: Thank you, Rosy. Integrate it yes, it is my opinion

03/13/2020 à 15:31 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002 to ajouté Azril Welcome Azril.

@ 25 WARD OFF MESSAGE FROM BOAVENTURA - BOY ALERT 11 - LEO SUPPLY 16 - ROSA RESPONSE 23 LEO RESPONSE

03/13/2020 à 10:02 - Leo EUROMARCHES PX00005: Dear Rozy,

  • No, unfortunately I could not stay in Mexico to edit a film I made about Mesoamerican migrants, on which occasion we co-organized an "International Forum on Irregular Migration" in Santa Barbara, Honduras, about which I would like to inform the Assembly tomorrow.
  • I thank you for your response to my communications yesterday that once again demonstrates the lack of communication that exists between the two parts of the WSF preparatory process. Thus, for example, he did not know the course that the (wrong) so-called Process Care Commission had supposedly taken.
  • Regarding the structure of the preparatory process, I think that we should prioritize the work of the really existing commissions (culture, communication and logistics) instead of denying these works for the sake of virtual concepts that do not yet have a real basis.
  • It is there that I have my differences with Pierre and in part with you: while the proposals for a website, a Logo, a secretariat, etc. already exist. You for more than 6 months have started "processes" that to date have not produced concrete results; And this emptiness that many people have already removed cannot be replaced by ideological debates that perhaps fit in the Forum, but they should not hinder the work of those who have made the same efforts in solidarity as you and I.
  • Lastly: the famous “consensus” that Pierre, you and Miguel so much proclaim, in my opinion, depends to a great extent on the ability to find “compromises” and not cling to their own positions. And in that almost all of us have failed.
  • With cordial and solidarity greetings.

Leo

@ 26 FOLLOW LIST OF IC CONFIRMATIONS

03/13/2020 à 13:46 - Salete CLACSO: Salete - CLACSO

03/13/2020 à 14:14 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002 to Ajouté Giuseppe

03/13/2020 à 14:15 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: Welcome Giuseppe from Nigd from Finland.

03/13/2020 à 14:15 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: Let's walk forward. We will resume the progress we have. It all adds up.

03/13/2020 at 15:23 - Hamouda FMAS: I agree

03/13/2020 à 15:41 - Sally alai: Sally Burch, ALAI, Ecuador

03/13/2020 at 15:43 - Giuseppe NIGD: Greetings to all new and old friends. Greetings to all new and old friends in the group!

@ 27 CHICO'S INPUT ON TOPICS TOUCHED BY HECTOR 21 ENGLISH

03/13/2020 à 16:14 - Chico CBJP PX00114: English translation of the text I mailed yesterday night only in spanish

Hello, good afternoon (or good evening), I am only able to open my computer, after having to leave our conversation during it, as Hector has noticed. I had to attend to several commitments, including a medical visit, as I am in the risk group of the corona virus pandemic (4th age, diabetes and recent pneumonia) which is currently expanding in Brazil (many activities and events, including the 14th March manifestation with which Bolsonaro intended to prove his strength to try other adventures ...). The doctor ordered me to stay at home for a while, that is, without contact with the contagious world outside… At least digital contact is still possible…

  • Then, in a first look at what has been said after the interruption of my digital contact with you, I read things with which I mostly agree, for example, what Hector said about the place to be given to the discussion about the Charter of Principles , in view of the importance of the discussion on how we have to do an excellent WSF in 2021 (as Liege says, “here we are to strengthen the WSF process based on the Charter of Principles, building actions that unite us to face the challenges that the world situation presents to us ”); or Janeth's observation: “I always say that fortunately the WSF is much more than the IC”, etc., etc.
  • Without entering at this late hour in other considerations, I would like to propose that in our next discussions we separate the various themes, as for example did Gina AFM when saying: “we still don't agree in your positions in several points (for instance Charter's modification), but we are coinciding in other points, like the importance of seeking to adjust the dynamics of the WSF, in the context of the changes of the last 20 years in the world ”.
  • About the Charter, to prepare a good discussion in the IC meeting post WSF 2021, we have not to speak generically but identifying the Charter's points it is desirable to modify (opening the possibility of objective discussions).
  • I will not continue as it is bedtime. But I would like to say that I did not understand why removing Azril from this list, even provisionally, if the list is not official, as Hamouda says. I understood it as a platform created by Mexican facilitators so that the members of the IC could help those who have the responsibility of organizing the WSF in Mexico, but also others who would come togehter as they participate in some way of the WSF adventure, as it is the case of Azril since long ago.
  • In fact, this list works better than the cold lists by mail.

Till tomorrow (Chico W., for those who only see the phone number)

03/13/2020 à 16:21 - Chico CBJP PX00114: Forgive me my friends for using this list for this. But my mail server is malfunctioning. Hamouda, what is your personal mail?

03/13/2020 à 16:23 - Azril (OBS): Thank you, Rosa!

03/13/2020 at 16:30 - Uddhab NIGD: Good Chico

03/13/2020 à 17:33 - Hamouda FMAS:: Salut Chico J'espère, you are doing well. Prend soin de toi

03/13/2020 à 17:47 - Chico CBJP PX00114: Thanks hamouda

03/13/2020 à 17:49 - Mauri ABONG: <Médias omis>

03/13/2020 à 18:25 - Annie NOVOX: https://m.facebook.com/watch/?v=1460450287447974&_rdr

@ 28 TIBURCIO INPUT ON IC  TIMETABLE CI TOWARDS WSF2021

03/13/2020 à 19:11 - Tibúrcio CIRANDA:

------ PORTUGUES

Prezad @ s,

  • A situção do mundo mudou we last months, as we know - and isso, in some way, we are unavoidable consequences for our agendas.
  • I certify that Assembleia this Saturday should not include Mexico that questão, determined by the current pandemic.
  • O Panamazônico Forum has been added for November. It is practically certain that it will not be possible to carry out the face-to-face meeting of the expanded CI, not Mexico, as we pre-schedule in Porto Alegre. There is no guarantee, at this point, that the Forum of Transforming Economies will come to the second fortnight in June in Barcelona.
  • To be sure, to preserve in some way our schedule and agendas, it is necessary to talk about ISSO and to strengthen and innovate the virtuous options of the Internet.
  • We have to try to hold the next meeting of the expanded IC in Linha, or what it means to overcome technological and methodological challenges. É must invest nisso from já.
  • As the contradictions of the capitalist system worsened with those seen, I exposed to ever greater need for proposals and solutions articulated worldwide.
  • Comisso, or process of the World Social Forum - from the perspective of its political and organic revitalization in Mexico, according to the agreements you started with the IC of Porto Alegre - it is becoming more necessary and urgent.
  • We reflit on isso. Big hug. Tibúrcio.

-------SPANISH

Dear S,

  • The world situation has changed in recent months, as we know, and this, in some way, has inevitable consequences for our agendas.
  • I think Saturday's Assembly in Mexico should include this topic, determined by the current pandemic.
  • The Panamazone Forum has already been postponed to November. It is practically certain that it will not be feasible to hold the expanded face-to-face meeting of CI in Mexico, as we have previously scheduled in Porto Alegre. Nothing guarantees, at this point, that the Transformative Economies Forum will take place in the second half of June in Barcelona.
  • Certainly, to preserve our schedules and agendas in some way, it is necessary to discuss this and strengthen and innovate virtual options through the Internet.
  • We have to try to hold the next extended IC meeting online, which means overcoming technological and methodological challenges. You need to invest in this right now.
  • The contradictions of the capitalist system are clearly aggravated, exposing the growing need for articulated proposals and solutions throughout the world.
  • With this, the process of the World Social Forum, in view of its political and organic revitalization towards Mexico, according to the initial agreements in the IC of Porto Alegre, becomes even more necessary and urgent.
  • Let's reflect on that. Big hug. Tiburcio

---------- FRANCAIS SUR LE CALENDRIER CI VERS FSM 2021

Cher s,

  • La situation mondiale a changé ces derniers mois, comme nous le savons - et cela, d'une certaine manière, a des conséquences inévitables pour nos programs.
  • I am glad that the Assembly of the Mexican people includes the question, determined by the current pandemic.
  • The Forum panamazonique a déjà eté reporté à novembre. Il est pratiquement certain qu'il ne se pas pas d'd'organiser la reunion face à face élargie de CI au Mexique, comme
  • nous l'avons prévu à Porto Alegre. Rien ne guarantee, à ce stade, that the Forum des économies transformatrices aura lieu dans la seconde moitié de juin à Barcelone.
  • Certes, with a view to preserving notre calendrier et nos agendas d'une certaine manière, il est nécessaire d'en discuter et de renforcer et d'innover les options virtuelles sur Internet.
  • Nous devons essayer de have en ligne la prochaine réunion élargie du CI, ce qui meaning surmonter les défis technologiques et méthodologiques. Il est nécessaire d'investir dans ce domaine dès maintenant.
  • Les contradictions du système capitaliste sont clairement aggravées, révélant le besoin croissant de propositions et de solutions articulées dans le monde entier.
  • Avec cela, le processus du Forum social mondial - compte tenu de sa revitalization politique et organique vers le Mexique, selon les accords initiaux du CI de Porto Alegre - devient encore plus nécessaire et urgent.
  • Réfléchissons-y. Gros câlin. Tiburcio.

-------- ENGLISH ABOUT IC SCHEDULE TOWARDS WSF 2021

Dear s,

  • The world situation has changed in recent months, as we know - and this, in some way, has inevitable consequences for our agendas.
  • I believe that Saturday's Assembly in Mexico should include this issue, determined by the current pandemic.
  • The Panamazonic Forum has already been postponed to November. It is practically certain that it will not be feasible to hold the expanded CI face-to-face meeting in Mexico, as we have pre-scheduled in Porto Alegre. Nothing guarantees, at this point, that the Forum of Transformative Economies will take place in the second half of June in Barcelona.
  • Certainly, in order to preserve our schedule and agendas in some way, it is necessary to discuss this and strengthen and innovate virtual options over the Internet.
  • We have to try to hold the next extended IC meeting online, which means overcoming technological and methodological challenges. It is necessary to invest in this right now.
  • The contradictions of the capitalist system are clearly aggravated, exposing the growing need for proposals and solutions articulated worldwide.
  • With this, the process of the World Social Forum - in view of its political and organic revitalization towards Mexico, according to the initial agreements in the Porto Alegre IC - becomes even more necessary and urgent.
  • Let us reflect on that. Big hug. Tiburcio.

03/13/2020 à 19:14 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002:

  • Yes, surely we will review it. I join your proposal to have an online meeting in the next days. Let's think together.
  • 03/13/2020 à 19:16 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: Yes, surely we will review it. I join your proposal to have an online meeting in the next days. Let's think together.
  • 03/13/2020 à 19:16 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: Oui, nous allons sûrement l'examiner. Je me joins à votre proposition to have a meeting en ligne dans les prochains jours. Réfléchissons ensemble.
  • 03/13/2020 à 19:16 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: Sim, we will certainly be analyzed. I look forward to your proposal for an online meeting in the next few days. Let's think together.

03/13/2020 at 19:15 - Alejandra DAWN: Thank you Tiburcio. It is important that this is circulated in the email. I think this group is very saturated with very varied messages and your proposal may be lost. @@@@@

03/13/2020 à 19:16 - Tibúrcio CIRANDA: Thank you, Rosi. Já sent by email, sim. Thanks, Alehandra. Abs

03/13/2020 à 19:16 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: Good. 👍🏼

@ 29 LEONARDO SHARES

03/14/2020 à 02:28 - Leonardo CUT: Coronavirus, nelle città deserte si canta insieme alle finestre: l'effetto è struggente https://video.repubblica.it/dossier/coronavirus-wuhan-2020/coronavirus-nelle -citta-deserte-si-canta-insieme-alle-finestre-l-effetto-e-struggente / 355736/356302

03/14/2020 à 02:33 - Leonardo CUT: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

@ 30 CHICO INPUT ON DECISION BY CONSENSUS IN THE IC AND THE ASSEMBLY OF 14 IN MEXICO ENGLISH

03/14/2020 à 04:52 - Chico CBJP PX00114: (in english tomorrow) Excuse me to get into a conversation that I have not participated but of which I have learned later, by online notes, about the decision by consensus in the WSF International Council and in the assembly of the 14.

  • Allow me, it may perhaps be useful to bring some information from the concrete experience in this regard at the WSF throughout its almost 20 years.
  • If I remember correctly, we have decided to opt for this way of deciding based on one of the general objectives of the WSF: that of helping to build the union of the multiple and different movements and organizations of civil society willing to build the “ another possible world ”, respecting its diversity. So, known (and experienced) by many the tendency to divide these movements and organizations, as well as the left-wing parties, we have gradually discovered, in practice, that decisions by majority vote were a great democratic conquest but also one of the roots of this tendency to division: those who "lose" in the votes (minorities or almost majority) end up separating and creating dissident organizations that do what they consider should be done.
  • The decision by consensus has then been shown a way to prevent that dynamic of division from weakening us, in the face of a much more powerful enemy since it dominates the world. That is, instead of deciding on a quorum for deliberations, absolute majorities (majority of the representatives) or simple (majority of those present), etc., we prefer to choose to discuss the issues until all doubts, ambiguities or mistrust are eliminated in order to be able to follow the path together.
  • To verify whether a general agreement on the decision was already possible, consultations were held at the meeting that discussed it, without voting, to find out if everyone would accept that decision. If one or more than one refused to accept it, he wondered: would you accept the decision, since it corresponds to the will of the majority, so that we continue together, even if they do not consider it the best? Or you leave if we take it?
  • If they said they were leaving, the discussion resumed. Which meant that the majority that would be "victorious" considered that the principle of the construction of the union prevailed over everything else. This does not mean giving the right of veto to those who want to use it, but rather respecting the reasons they have to disagree with the majority. Or sometimes it is simply because you have to consult the organization you represent ...
  • This can take more time to decide, although sometimes everything is solved with a simple suspension of work for a while for a calmer conversation or the creation of a work group to do it. Because everyone is supposed to want to bequeath an agreement and nobody wants to prevent decisions from being made.
  • The CI has had several such experiences that have been successful. There were more complicated cases in which the decision was left for the following day. I also remember once that a union leader from South Africa has reminded his fellow Europeans, worried about deciding things more efficiently by vote, that we were not in a union or in a political party,
  • I stay here, even if I had other things to remember, such as the Indian experience at the 2004 Forum. They were the first to organize the WSF from an assembly of movements, as it is intended to do in Mexico, supported on a facilitating committee. It was for them a way of adding as many movements as possible in the necessary effort, without subjecting them to majority or minority rules to decide things, but rather creating occasions for them to deepen, in the practice of organizing the Forum, their understanding of the objectives. of the WSF, its character and its Charter of Principles - so different from the usual in political activity - as well as the ways of participating.

Boy Whitaker Hugs

@ 31 ONLINE PARTICIPATION IN THE ASSEMBLY OF MARCH 14 IN MEXICO

  • 03/14/2020 à 06:03 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: Those who cannot attend the Assembly in person can participate here: https://meet.jit.si/ColectivoFacilitadorXIVFSM From 10:00 am Mexico time. I will also enable skype session in case it is difficult to enter with jitsi.
  • 03/14/2020 à 06:05 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: Here you can participate in the Assembly online: https://meet.jit.si/ColectivoFacilitadorXIVFSM From 10:00 am Mexico time. I will also enable skype session in case it is difficult to enter with jitsi.
  • 03/14/2020 à 06:06 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: Ici, vous pouvez participer à l'Assemblée en ligne: https://meet.jit.si/ColectivoFacilitadorXIVFSM À from 10h00, heure du Mexique. J'activerai également la session skype au cas où il serait difficile d'entrer avec jitsi.
  • 03/14/2020 à 06:06 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: Here you can participate in the Assembléia on-line: https://meet.jit.si/ColectivoFacilitadorXIVFSM From 10 am, time in Mexico. We will also visit sessão do skype, in case it is difficult to enter as jitsi.

03/14/2020 à 08:28 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: Topic: FSM Facilitator Collective Assembly Time: Mar 14, 2020 10:00 AM Mexico City

Join Zoom Meeting https://zoom.us/j/955428749?pwd=U3NGNXk3S2JCTnBQY0FrNitsaTROdz09 Meeting ID: 955 428 749 Password: 025724

@ 32 CHICO INPUT ON DECISION BY CONSENSUS IN THE IC AND THE ASSEMBLY OF 14 IN MEXICO 30 - COMPLEMENT AND COMMENT BY SHEILA  

03/14/2020 at 12:24 - Chico CBJP PX00114: I would like to complete what I sent yesterday about the decisions by consensus.

  • The IC is an assembly of representatives, and as in all assemblies of this type, each organization or movement has a representative with the right to speak and to vote, to be given by him or, in the event of his absence, by his substitute.
  • Little by little we have discovered things that made us different from assemblies in general. To think that in the first IC meetings only representatives duly indicated by their organizations or movements entered the room, who sat in the first row of seats and the alternates behind ...
  • The IC does not have its own funds to “bring” to its meetings all its members, who must come from their own resources. This creates dangerous "inequalities", even because, because it is international, the costs to come are quite different, and you cannot "demand" the presence of all IC members, let alone expect them to only make decisions with a well-defined quorum. .
  • For this reason, the IC's operating criteria are not bureaucratic but of solidarity and trust - a Solidarity Fund has even been created to pay for travel, with the help of organizations that have more resources. And now they are thinking of a more digital operation, which does not require travel, which was more difficult only with emails and this list is already encouraging.
  • It is all these elements that differentiate the IC and the WSF process from the structures with which the organizations - especially international ones - that we know and in which we also participate. Decision systems have to adapt to these differences. Decisions by vote are not driven by solidarity and trust, but by the power that each one has, thus opening space for the manipulations that divide and destroy organizations. Decisions by consensus reduce these risks a little and open space for a life of solidarity, the main characteristic that the “other possible world” will have.
Sheila IPF / CEAAL:

  • 03/14/2020 à 13:44 - Sheila IPF / CEAAL: Boy, am I in agreement or what do you think, more like saying, decision by consensus demands a sensible sense! It requires a willingness to yield when imensa maioria thinks differently from us. It requires provision to make adjustments to the proposals. We are already living in difficult situations, not CI in recent buildings, where 2 or 3 members will prevent decision-making that more than 70 members are agreed, they defended me. This "viver solidário" ao qual você refers, needs to be practiced, to be lived, or to a member who can prevent decisions made by anyone else. E isso é muito sério.
  • 03/14/2020 à 13:45 - Sheila IPF / CEAAL: Chico, I agree with what you wrote, but again I say, decision by consensus requires common sense! It requires a willingness to give in when the vast majority thinks differently from us. Requires willingness to make adjustments to proposals. We have already experienced very difficult situations in CI in recent editions, where 2 or 3 members prevented the decision that more than 70 members present were in agreement, defended. This "living in solidarity" to which you refer, needs to be practiced, to be lived, or 1 member can indeed prevent decisions approved by others. And this is very serious.

03/14/2020 à 13:47 - Sheila IPF / CEAAL: (requires "good sense", in English?)

03/14/2020 à 14:02 - Francine CETRI: thanks Sheila, it requires goodwill and trust above all

03/14/2020 à 14:08 - Sheila IPF / CEAAL: Isso mesmo, Francine.

03/14/2020 à 14:08 - Sheila IPF / CEAAL: It is necessary to be "or a spirit".

03/14/2020 à 14:10 - Sheila IPF / CEAAL: Temos princípio e sonhos comuns. What a boa vontade that trusts each other we can walk that sense. What makes us different will not paralyze us!

03/14/2020 à 14:11 - Liege FDIM: Concordo com Sheila e Francine. Hugs

03/14/2020 à 14:12 - Sheila IPF / CEAAL: We have common principles and dreams. That with goodwill and mutual trust we can move in that direction. May our differences not paralyze us.

03/14/2020 à 14:25 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: According to Sheila, that must be the spirit of the WSF and with Francine we require good will and trust.

03/14/2020 à 14:26 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: According to Sheila, that must be the spirit of the WSF and with Francine we require good will and trust.

@ 33 CHICO INPUT ON DECISION BY CONSENSUS IN THE IC AND THE ASSEMBLY OF 14 IN MEXICO ENGLISH

03/14/2020 à 14:27 - Chico CBJP PX00114: English translation of a text posted yesterday

Excuse me for entering in a conversation of which I did not participate, but that I later read through notes on line, on the decision by consensus at the International Council of the WSF and at the assembly the 14th. If you accept it, it may be useful to bring some information about the concrete experience about this in the WSF over its 20 years.

  • If I am well remembering, we have decided to choose this way of deciding on the basis of one of the general objectives of the WSF: to help uniting the multiple and different movements and organizations of civil society willing to build “another possible world”, respecting their diversity. That is why many of us having known (and even experienced) the tendency of splitting of these movements and organizations, as well as the left parties, we have little by little discovered, in the practice, that deciding by majority of votes is a very important democratic achievement but also one of the roots of this tendency to split: those who “loose” in the voting (minorities or quasi-majorities) end up separating and creating dissident organizations to do what they think would be the right way of doing.
  • The decision by consensus has shown itself to be a way of preventing this dynamic of splitting that weakens us facing the very powerful enemy that dominates the world. However, instead of deciding on quorum for deliberations, absolute majority (majority of representatives) or simple majority (majority of those present), etc., we preferred to discuss more and more till eliminate all doubts, ambiguities and mistrusts, to be able to follow the path together.
  • To check if a general acceptance of the decision was already possible, we held consultations at the meeting where we were discussing, without voting, to know if everyone would accept that decision. If one or more of them refused to accept it, we asked: would you accept the decision which corresponds to the majority will, so that we continue together, even if you think it is not the best decision? Or, if we make this decision would you leave us?
  • If they said they would leave, the discussion was resumed. This means that the majority that would be "winning" considered that the principle of uniting prevailed over everything else. This does not mean giving the right of veto to anyone who wants to use it but respecting the reasons they have to disagree with the majority. The reason could be simply the necessity of checking with the organization one represented ...
  • This may lead to more time to decide. But sometimes the doubts can be solved with a simple suspension of the discussions for a while to make possible a more relaxed conversation or the creation of a working group to work on it. Because it is assumed that everyone wants to arrive to an agreement and not to prevent decisions being taken.
  • The IC has had several experiences of this kind that had been successful. In some more complicated cases the decision has been left for the next day. I remember also a union leader from South Africa reminding his European colleagues, concerned with deciding more efficiently with voting, that we were not in a union nor in a political party,
  • I stop here, even having other things to remember, as for example about the Indian experience in the 2004 WSF. They were the first to organize the WSF with an assembly of movements, as it is intended to be in Mexico, supported by a facilitating committee. It was the way they found to count on the maximum possible of movements in the necessary effort. But not under the rules of majority or minority to decide on things. They intended to create opportunities for them to deepen, in the practice of organizing a Forum, their understanding the WSF objectives, its character and its Charter of Principles - so different from the usual political activity - as well as the ways of participating.

Hugs from Chico Whitaker

03/14/2020 à 14:52 - Francine CETRI:  ️

03/14/2020 à 15:03 - Chico CBJP PX00114: Translation to english of a text sent today

  • I would like to complete what I sent to you about the decisions by consensus.
  • The IC is a group of representatives, and as in all groups of this type, each movement and organization has a representative with voice and the right to vote, to be given, in case of his absence, to his alternate.
  • Little by little we have discovered things that make us different from the general assemblies. It is amusing to remember the first IC meetings, where only representatives who had been nominated by their organizations or movements would come into the room, and would sit in the first row and the alternates behind…
  • IC does not have its own funds to "bring" to its meetings all its members, which have to come using their own resources. This creates dangerous “inequalities”, even because, being international, the costs to come are quite different, and we cannot “require” the presence of all the IC members, still less wait for a well-defined quorum to make decisions.
  • For this reason the criterion of functioning of the CI is not the bureaucratic one but the solidarity and trust - a Fund of Solidarity has even been created to cover the traveling costs with the help of organizations having more resources. Now we are thinking about using more the digital means, which do not require travels and were difficult only with mails but this list is already making possible more easily.
  • All of these are elements that differentiate the IC and the WSF process from the structures of organizations - especially international ones - that we know and of which we also participate. Decision systems have to be adapted to these differences. Decisions by vote are not driven by solidarity and trust, but by the power of each one, opening space for manipulations that divide and destroy organizations. Deciding by consensus reduces this risks and open the space to live in solidarity, the main characteristic that will have the "other possible world".

CBJP Boy PX00114 Whitaker

03/14/2020 à 15:26 - Uddhab NIGD: Agreed Chico

03/14/2020 à 16:01 - Azril (OBS): Thanks, Chico

03/14/2020 à 16:20 - Héctor (ex ASC): According to the comments of Sheila and Francine to what Chico said Another day I will return to the topic.

@ 34 NEWS FROM ITALY

03/14/2020 à 08:51 - Annie NOVOX: Coronavirus, nelle città deserte si canta insieme alle finestre: l'effetto è struggente https://video.repubblica.it/dossier/coronavirus-wuhan-2020/coronavirus-nelle -citta-deserte-si-canta-insieme-alle-finestre-l-effetto-e-struggente / 355736/356302

03/14/2020 à 16:24 - Liege FDIM: Olha that coisa mais linda !!! A FORCA AEREA DA ITALIA giving encouragement to ITALY, with PAVAROTTI singing "Nessum Dorma", part where he says "we will win" and with BANDEIRA ITALIANA hairs avioes, exciting !!!!

03/14/2020 à 16:24 - Liege FDIM: <Médias omis>

03/14/2020 à 16:42 - Sergio Bassoli: we defeated fascism, we resisted Berlusconi, we will kill the virus! Sergio

03/14/2020 à 16:42 - Sergio Bassoli: <Médias omis>

@ 35 ONLINE PARTICIPATION ASSEMBLY MARCH 14

03/14/2020 à 17:50 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: https://meet.jit.si/ColectivoFacilitadorXIVFSM

03/14/2020 à 17:50 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: We are about to start.

03/14/2020 à 17:56 - Pierre CARITAS INTL PX00004: https://www.facebook.com/CEAAL/videos/801317650364274/

03/14/2020 à 18:00 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: https://bit.ly/33htAHD Here the live broadcast

03/14/2020 à 18:09 - Paco (Focupuller): Hi ciao, the audio is really far it is quite impossible to listen and then partecipate

03/14/2020 à 18:15 - Paco (Focupuller): okey like always is impossible to liste and partecipate, if you dont follow some technical and basic arrangement.

03/14/2020 à 18:17 - Azril (OBS): Technically difficult to follow the process.

03/14/2020 à 18:33 - Liege FDIM: <Médias omis>

03/14/2020 à 18:55 - Paco (Focupuller): It is more important to listen to the meeting then recive video or photos. I don't understand why there are always the same problem! Paco: If someone take in charge the fact that someone out of the meeting is invite to participate must guaranty the participation we are in the 2020 my friend and camerades sorry have a nice meeting

03/14/2020 à 18:57 - Alejandra DAWN: Querides. Have a good meeting. It is impossible for me to raise a child to attend weekends. Here with the Coronavirus issue, the care crisis is mainly affecting women

03/14/2020 à 18:57 - Paco (Focupuller): If there is a communication commission in Mexico they have to organize the transmission with all the peoples that wish to participate. This is one of the biggest problem of the forum

03/14/2020 à 18:59 - Pierre CARITAS INTL PX00004: https://www.facebook.com/mauricioquetz/videos/10157946339600890/

03/14/2020 à 19:07 - Pierre CARITAS INTL PX00004: why and why a forum?

03/14/2020 à 19:08 - Azril (OBS): I hope that the assembly achieves the necessary synergy to move forward. I thank Chico for his request to reintegrate me into this informal Chat, for his summary of the lessons from past forums and for his openness and flexibility to review specific aspects of the letter of principles, gathering the feelings of many and being able to adapt to the new conditions. of world politics and economy. I trust the maturity of the local organizing commission and the assembly of movements to reach a successful conclusion. Finally, I ask what movements or organizations would accept to endorse the international movement FFF to join the CI-WSF and the WSF process. Fraternally. Azril

03/14/2020 à 19:09 - Alejandra DAWN: Thank you Pierre and Rosa for always looking for mechanisms to share virtually. I will wait for the notes and the list of the organizations and MOV that participated. Greetings and good luck there

03/14/2020 à 19:12 - Azril (OBS): I join Alejandra's thanks to Pierre and Rosy, waiting for the notes and results of the Assembly. Azril

03/14/2020 à 19:44 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: https://bit.ly/2U8smKu Here follows the live session. In live.

03/15/2020 at 06:15 - Azril (OBS): <Médias omis>


@ 35B VIDEO REPORTING TRANSCRIPT ASSEMBLY 14 MARCH 


http://openfsm.net/projects/pfsm20/pfsm20-reunion-14March20


@ 36 CHICO SHARE ITEM

03/15/2020 à 22:24 - Chico CBJP PX00114: https://aterraeredonda.com.br/rumo-ao-colapso/

03/15/2020 à 22:24 - Chico CBJP PX00114: Impressive Artigo. indispensable to read and disclose

@ 37 TIBURCIO INPUT ON SOCIAL NETWORK FOR DEBATE

03/15/2020 at 23:13 - Tibúrcio CIRANDA: <Médias omis>

03/15/2020 at 23:14 - Tibúrcio CIRANDA: * RUMO AO MÉXICO WORLD SOCIAL FORUM - JANEIRO 2021. *

_RÁDIO CARTA MAIOR_ Conheça e participe do processo.

* OUÇA agora *, clicking no link: http://bit.ly/38UhncS

Podcasts em Português.Destaques das interviews y artigo sobre projeto de nova Rede Social Mundial Democrática.

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* Spanish * LISTEN now, by clicking on the link: http: //bit.ly/3cZpdoZPodcasts in Portuguese.

Highlights from the interviews and the article on the project for a new World Democratic Social Network.

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UNDERSTAND maintenant in cliquant sur le lien: http: //bit.ly/2wYgjrg Podcasts in Portugais.

Faits saillants des interviews et article sur le projet d'un nouveau Réseau Social du Monde Démocratique.

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HEAR now by clicking on the link: http://bit.ly/2WhADyG Podcasts in Portuguese.

Interview highlights and article on the project for a new Democratic World Social Network.

@ 38 ROSA ON MEXICO YOUTH CAMP

03/17/2020 à 20:34 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002:

  • SPANISH
  • Companions of the IC, I write to greet you and share that in the Assembly of Enlargement and Formation of the Facilitating Collective, we are making progress on some issues. Given the recommendations, we did not conclude the entire process with respect to avoiding meetings with many people and thus preventing the spread of the Corona Virus. Weeks of online work are coming.
  • I am writing to ask who from the CI is accompanying the construction of the Youth Camp, since four young people are interested in knowing what it implies. Maybe .Mateus from OCLAE, could share me about it.
  • Strong hug Rosy
  • ENGLISH
  • Companions of the IC, I write to greet you and share that in the Assembly of Enlargement and Formation of the Facilitating Collective, we are making progress on some issues. Given the recommendations, we did not conclude the entire process with respect to avoiding meetings with many people and thus preventing the spread of the Corona Virus. Weeks of online work are coming.
  • I am writing to ask who from the CI, accompanies the construction of the Youth Camp, since four young people are interested in knowing what it implies. Perhaps Mateus from OCLAE could share with me about it.
  • Hug Rosy
  • FRANCAIS
  • Compagnons du CI, je vous écris pour vous saluer et partager que dans l'Assemblée d'élargissement et de formation du collectif de facilitation, nous progressons sur certaines questions. Compte tenu des recommandations, nous n'avons pas conclu l'ensemble du processus en ce qui concerning the nécessité d'éviter les rencontres avec de nombreuses personnes et d'empêcher ainsi la propagation du virus Corona. Des semaines de travail en ligne arrivent.
  • Je vous écris pour demander qui, du CI, accompagne la construction du camp de jeunesse, car quatre jeunes sont intéressés à savoir ce that imply. Peut-être que Mateus de OCLAE pourrait m'en parler.
  • Étreinte Rosy
  • PORTUGUESE
  • Companheiros do CI, escrevo for compliance and sharing with the Assembléia de Ampliação e Formação do Coletivo Facilitador, we are progressing in some questões. Given the recommendations, we did not conclude all or process as objective to avoid meetings with very heavy people and to prevent the spread of the Corona virus. Working weeks online is chegando.
  • Escrevo to inquire that the CI is accompanying the construction of the Youth Camp, for four young people are interested in knowing or what is involved. Maybe Mateus da OCLAE, possa compartilhar comigo sobre isso.
  • Forte abraço Rosy

@ 39 AFTER THE  ASSEMBLY/ CORONAVIRSUS

03/18/2020 à 05:59 - Azril (OBS): <Médias omis>

03/18/2020 à 17:57 - Boaventura: <Médias omis>

03/18/2020 at 18:00 - Azril (OBS): <Médias omis>

03/18/2020 à 18:07 - Boaventura: <Médias omis>

03/18/2020 à 18:50 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: <Médias omis>

03/18/2020 à 18:51 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: https://educadorxspopularesenmovimiento.wordpress.com/2020/03/04/organizacion-y-luchas-de-las-mujeres-en-la-defensa-de- our-bodies-and-territories-in-latin-america / You have to register, so they can send you the link to follow the dialogue.

03/18/2020 à 19:31 - Azril (OBS): <Médias omis>

03/18/2020 à 19:42 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: https://www.facebook.com/psipreventivauba/?ti=as

03/18/2020 à 22:02 - Chico CBJP PX00114: <Médias omis>

03/19/2020 à 12:38 - Salete CLACSO: <Médias omis>

03/19/2020 à 13:18 - Azril (OBS): <Médias omis>

03/19/2020 à 13:48 - Azril (OBS): <Médias omis>

03/19/2020 à 13:53 - Azril (OBS): https://newrepublic.com/article/156938/education-greta-thunberg

03/19/2020 à 17:38 - Chico CBJP PX00114: Good! I have been concerned to see them in the assembly passing the microphone from hand to hand, without disinfection ... Here we all are in isolation except for digital contacts ...

03/19/2020 à 17:58 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: In Mexico, from tomorrow we enter quarantine until April 20. Everything will be virtual.

03/19/2020 à 17:59 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: In Mexico, from tomorrow we enter quarantine until April 20. Everything will be virtual.

03/19/2020 à 17:59 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: Au Mexique, à demain, nous entrons en quarantaine jusqu'au 20 avril. Tout will be virtuel.

03/19/2020 à 17:59 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: No Mexico, from amanhã, we will enter the quarentena on April 20. Tudo will be virtual.

03/19/2020 à 18:53 - Armando CF FSMSSS https://youtu.be/tIesBQE8kP0

03/19/2020 à 19:12 - Leonardo CUT: Ce message a eté supprimé.

03/20/2020 à 18:23 - Vijay India: <Médias omis>

03/21/2020 à 08:55 - Azril (OBS): <Médias omis>

03/21/2020 à 09:24 - Boaventura UPMS: Energetic speech by Mexico before Almagro's re-election as OAS Secretary General.

https://twitter.com/moncho_bolivia/status/1241157061758652418?s=08

03/21/2020 à 10:12 - Azril (OBS): Viva México 🇲🇽 cute, dear and brave 🥳

03/21/2020 à 11:26 - Paco (Focupuller): <Médias omis>

03/21/2020 à 12:10 - Azril (OBS): Please watch the video and broadcast it. It is VERY INTERESTING, it talks about a home remedy that nobody had fallen into and it can be very effective. https://youtu.be/K9KJuxHRI1Q

03/21/2020 à 14:20 - Sheila IPF / CEAAL: Muito bom!

03/21/2020 at 15:22 - Uddhab NIGD: 

03/21/2020 à 16:05 - Mauri ABONG: https://youtu.be/tIesBQE8kP0

03/21/2020 à 16:07 - Mauri ABONG: Map showing the dispositions of the countries against the COVID19. via Argentine Legislative Directory.

https://uploads.knightlab.com/storymapjs/ce206a605490baaa24a2a70aaea31efa/covid-19-relevamiento-regulatorio-en-america-latina-y-el-caribe/index.html

03/21/2020 à 18:18 - Azril (OBS): Can you give me a hand by sharing and signing this petition? http://chng.it/7wNdC6mM

03/21/2020 à 21:29 - Leonardo CUT: <Médias omis>

03/21/2020 à 22:56 - Azril (OBS): WHO, Help Prevent Covid-19 from Reaching Palestinian Camps in Lebanon Today !. Do you agree? http://chng.it/x8JjYQrV

03/22/2020 à 01:20 - Fanny CEAAL: <Médias omis>

03/22/2020 à 05:16 - Kin Chi Lau SSFS: <Médias omis>

03/22/2020 à 07:40 - Azril (OBS): <Médias omis>

@ 40 AZRIL SHARES ITEM

03/22/2020 at 13:47 - Azril (OBS): Ontem O Globo in editorial asked that public servants deem their level of sacrifice at this time with a reduction of two serious defeats.

Abaixo in response to the president of Fenafisco Do Charles Alcântara, president of Fenafisco

* Every day or whatever *

Or Brazil has 206 citizens who, together, accumulate a fortune of more than R $ 1.2 trilhão.

Those 206 bilionaires pay proportionally fewer imposts than the poor and the poor.

If the country is raised a tax of just 3% per year on the fortune of R $ 1.2 trilhão, it would be possible to collect R $ 36 bilhões a year, a value higher than the 1-year amount of the whole or Bolsa-Família program.

In addition to all the wealth of Brazilian families, it is close to R $ 16 trilhões de reais, being at the bottom of all that wealth - ou se, R $ 8 trilhões - less than 1% of families.

If the country has taxation or trilionary patrimony of those families with just 1%, it would be possible to collect R $ 80 bilhões, or that is equivalent to or the value of all the recipes estimated in 2020 for the State of Minas Gerais, or second most populous in Brazil, most common of 20 milhões of inhabitants.

Façam as contas: R $ 36 bilhões charged on the income two 206 bilionários (+) R $ 80 bilhões charged on or patrimonial do 1% of the richest families (=) R $ 116 bilhões.

Esses R $ 116 bilhões a mais nos cofres publicos secar represent sacrifice for that punhado de bilionários, but it is practically equivalent to everything or orçamento federal da saúde.

They are willing to contribute to the most common country, guaranteeing that they do not want to go to the best restaurants in the world, satisfy all their most extravagant desires or dislocate-we are their latest executive executives.

I donate you the daily O Globo fazem part two 206 bilionaires and also Brazilian families that together, arrested a heritage of R $ 8 trilhões.

In a non-daily published editorial of its property, edição desta sexta-feira (20), a bilionária família Marinho defends two salary reductions and two public servants as a way to collaborate with the crisis created by the Covid-19 pandemic.

A Marinho family did not intend to open more than an insignificant plot of their fortune to help or country, but it is not in the least direct that the public servants were confiscated in their salaries.

A contribution in monetary terms that O Globo was willing to offer to the country at such a dramatic moment was an unworthy, dishonest and coarse editorial.

Every day or what you fear, não é mesmo?

* Charles Alcantara *

03/22/2020 à 15:17 - Azril (OBS): Companer @ s,

The response of Charles Alcantara, president of Fenafisco, is an example of a response that highlights the emperor's nudity and at the same time proposes a tax solution to the challenge of rescuing productive companies and public entities, especially those in the medical-health sector. This type of proactive diagnosis could inspire us to settle our differences in a dialogical way and avoid damage from the endophagic virus. Fraternally. Azril

@ 41 CARMINDA INVITATION TO VIRALOPENSPACE

03/23/2020 à 06:48 - Carminda CSTM / FSM2016: * English below / Français ci-dessous / Español bajo / Italiano sotto / Português abaixo *

* VIRAL OPEN SPACE *

https://www.facebook.com/groups/theviralopenspace/

* 🔔🔔🔔 ENGLISH 🔔🔔🔔 *

"In these times of uncertainty and mass confinement, an eclectic and all-inclusive group of 24 people from 10 different countries are launching the 📣 Viral Open Space“ The Great Pause ” 📣 . It will take place on March 29 and 30. This lively international online event has several objectives:

- To connect and raise the visibility of positive and creative community responses to the current crisis.

- To explore and facilitate new ways of social exchange and interaction, adapted to our current situation.

- To create a sense of solidarity from global to local, beyond all the borders separating us…

With this event we'd like to open and strengthen numerous paths of creative solidarity. It will give the opportunity to connect isolated people, neighbors, affinity groups and cooperatives, artists, social networks (Facebook and alike) established in order to face Covid-19, non-governmental organizations, social movements etc. around the world.

Everyone is welcome to join the “The Viral Open Space” Facebook group to co-create this inspiring event:

Feel free to contribute to the program: You can propose a space for support and exchange in the context of Covid-19, artistic activities, hackathons, courses, sports activities, sharing of resources, activities for children etc. Create an event of your liking. If you'd like to propose an activity, please fill in this form:

https://framaforms.org/viral-open-space-1584735180

This unique event will begin on March 29 (find your local time here: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Viral+Open+Space&iso=20200329T09&p1=165&ah=2). It will include unifying plenaries and activities proposed by the participants (more details to follow in the Facebook group).

If you'd like to be part of the event organizing team, contact us!

We wholeheartedly hope that this event will help transform this difficult period into an important step towards shaping a society that is more respectful of humans and our environment. Together we can be more humble, more resilient, more creative and show more solidarity.

 

🔔🔔🔔 FRANÇAIS 🔔🔔🔔 *

Dans le contextte d'urgence et de confinement massif a group éclectique et ouvert de 24 personnes de 10 pays différents propose a premier 🔆 Espace ouvert viral "La Grande pause" 🔆 , le 29 et 30 mars prochain. Il s'agit d'un événement international en ligne aux mille couleurs, dont les objectifs sont:

- de connecter et de donner de la visibilité aux réponses citoyennes positives et créatives à la crise actuelle.

- d'expérimenter de nouveaux modes d'échanges et de rencontres, adaptes à la situation

- from the creator of solidarity to the global and local, to the front of the frontiers who are not ...

À travers cet évènement nous souhaitons ouvrir et renforcer des chemins multiples de solidarité créative. Il permettra de relier des personnes isolées, des voisins, groupes d'affinité et collectifs, des artistes, des réseaux sociaux (Facebook ou autre) créés pour faire face au Covid-19, des organizations non gouvernementales, des mouvements sociaux etc. autour du monde.

Vous pouvez rejoindre le groupe Facebook “The Viral Open Space” pour construire ensemble cet événement inspirant:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/theviralopenspace/

Contribuez au program en toute liberté, avec des espaces de soutien et de partage créé dans le contexte du Covid-19, des activités artistiques, des hackathons, des cours, des activités sportives, partage de ressources, activités pour les enfants, etc. Cet évènement sera à votre image. If you use the proposal for an activity, you must replace the formula:

https://framaforms.org/viral-open-space-1584735180

Cet évènement inédit débutera le 29 mars (trouvez ici l'heure du début: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Viral+Open+Space&iso=20200329T09&p1=165&ah=2). Il sera rythmé par des plénières rassembleuses et des activités en ligne proposées par les participantEs (plus de détails à ven sur le groupe Facebook).

If you are a souhaitez faire part of the team of organization de l'évènement, contact-nous! https://www.facebook.com/groups/theviralopenspace/

Nous espérons de tout coeur que d'une façon ou d'une autre, cet événement saura contribuer à faire que cette période difficile soit l'occasion pour une majorité d'entre nous de réaliser un pas important vers des sociétés plus respectueuses des humainEs et de l'environnement, plus humbles, plus résilientes, plus créatives et plus solidaires.

* 🔔🔔🔔 SPANISH 🔔🔔🔔 *

In the context of emergency and massive confinement, an eclectic and open group of 24 people from 10 different countries proposes a first 🔆 Open Viral Space "The Great Pause", on March 29 and 30 🔆 . This is an international online event with a thousand colors, whose objectives are:

- Connect and give visibility to positive and creative citizen responses to the current crisis.

- Experiment with new modes of exchange and meeting, adapted to the situation.

- Create solidarity, from global to local, beyond all the borders that separate us ...

Through this event we want to open and strengthen multiple paths of creative solidarity. It will connect isolated people, neighbors, affinity groups and collectives, artists, social networks (Facebook or others) created to deal with the situation of Covid-19, non-governmental organizations, social movements, etc. worldwide.

Join the "The Viral Open Space" Facebook group to build this inspiring event together:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/theviralopenspace/

Contribute freely to the program: with support and exchange spaces created in the context of the Covid-19, artistic activities, hackathons, courses, sports activities, resource sharing, activities for children, etc. This event will be in your image. If you want to offer an activity, you can complete this form:

https://framaforms.org/viral-open-space-1584735180

This unique event will start on March 29 (find the start time here: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Viral+Open+Space&iso=20200329T09&p1=165&ah=2). It will be punctuated by plenaries and online activities offered by the participants (more details in the Facebook group).

If you want to be part of the organizing team of the event, contact us!

We sincerely hope that, in one way or another, we will be able to make this difficult period an opportunity to take an important step towards more respectful, humble, more resilient, more creative and more supportive societies.

 

 

* 🔔🔔🔔 PORTUGUÊS 🔔🔔🔔 *

In the context of emergencies and confinement in mass, a diversified group of 24 people from ten different countries invites to a first viral event, batted fir 🔆 Espaço Viral Aberto - “A Grande Pausa" 🔆 , marked for o Sunday, March 29. This é um found multicolored international online, as following objectives:

- connect and give visibility to positive and creative responses to two common crises.

- experience new forms of exchange and meetings, adapted to situations

- raise solidarity from global to or local, in addition to all the borders that separate us ...

Through this event, we want to open and strengthen multiple paths of solidarity in breeding. It will link isolated groups, visitors, groups of affinity and collectives, artists, social networks (facebook or other) bred to lead as Covid-19, non-governmental organizations, social movements, etc. em all over the world.

You can participate in the Facebook group “The Viral Open Space” to create this inspiring event together: https://www.facebook.com/groups/theviralopenspace/

Contribute as a free program, with support and sharing of spaces raised in the context of Covid-19, artistic activities, hackathons, courses, sports activities, sharing resources, activities for children, etc. This event will be like you. If you wish to offer an activity, please pre-fill this form: https://framaforms.org/viral-open-space-1584735180

This exclusive event will start on March 29 (I found it at the start time here: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Viral+Open+Space&iso=20200329T09&p1=165&ah=2). He will be appointed by unification of plenary sessions and online activities offered by the participants (more details to follow, not the Facebook group).

You still want to be part of the organizing team of the event, contact me!

We sincerely hope that this event will help to make this difficult period a great opportunity for most of us to give an important step in the direction of societies that are more friendly and more humble, more resilient, more creative and more united. .

 

 

* 🔔🔔🔔 ITALIAN 🔔🔔🔔 *

"Nel answered with urgency and mass confinement an eclectic group and a 24-person attachment for 10 people with fun proposed by a cousin 🔆 Spazio aperto virale" "La Grande pausa " " 🔆 la prossima domenica on March 29 and Mon. on March 30. avvenimento internazionale online dai mille colori, i cui obiettivi sono:

- connettersi e dare visibilità alle risposte cittadine positive e creative alla crisi attuale;

- sperimentare dei nuovi modi di scambio y incontro, adatti alla situazione;

- I will create the solidarity between the locale, the front of the frontier who is separated…

With this event we will aprire and rafforzare dei percorsi molteplici di soliderietà Creativa. Permetterà di collegare delle persone isolate, delle persone vicine, gruppi di affinità e collettivi, degli artisti, dei social network (Facebook or altro) creati per fare fronte al Covid-19, delle organizzazioni non governative, dei movimenti sociali etc. attré al mondo.

Potete joined the Facebook group “The Viral Open Space” per costruire insieme questo stimolante event: https://www.facebook.com/groups/theviralopenspace/

Contribute to the program in piena libertà, with degli spazi di sostegno e condivisione creati nel contesto del Covid-19, delle attività artistiche, degli hackathon, dei corsi, delle attività sportive, delle condivisioni di risorse, attività per i bambini, etc. What event will sarra you immagine. It volete provides un'attività, potete riempire questo form:

https://framaforms.org/viral-open-space-1584735180

This unpublished event started on March 29 (trovate qui l'ora di inizio: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Viral+Open+Space&iso=20200329T09&p1=165&ah=2). Sarà scandito da plenarie unificanti e attività online proposte dai / dalle partecipanti (più dettagli verranno sul gruppo Facebook).

It is volete fare part of the squadra di organizzazione dell'evento, contattateci!

Speriamo with tutto il quore che in un modo o nell'altro, this saprà event will contribute to fare in modo che difficile period if it is caused by a maggioranza di noi di realizzare a passo important verse of the società più rispettose degli umani e delle umane e dell'amviente, più umili, più resilienti, più creative e più solidali "

@ 42 AZRIL SHARES ITEM

03/24/2020 à 06:47 - Azril (OBS): Jesuit priest David Fernández Dávalos,

Rector of the Iberoamerican University.

He gave a conference at the Church of the Sagrada Familia in Mexico City:

Where he questioned the Class Attitude assumed by the right against the current government.

  There is a Class and Permanent Attack that occurs in the Ideological, Political and Economic fields, so that the government of President Andrés Manuel López Obrador DOES NOT HAVE SUCCESS ...", he accused.

The indications were expressed during the conference called The commitment of Christians in the situation of Mexico today, which undoubtedly had a load of religiosity, but in which the rector Fernández Dávalos knew how to print his words eloquence and the characteristic Humanist seal of the Jesuits.

According to an official statement issued by the University itself, during the conference the rector mentioned that these elites do not totally disapprove of federal economic policy because they agree with it in essence, since traditional economic formulas are being rigorously applied.

Although he specified: Those elites do disapprove of the decisions that have to do with the projects of the Presidency and that "affect the interests of the large capitals." They protest the end of the “Tax Waiver;

" For the fight against corruption", which was what made the big capitals take off today;

“They are protesting the Cancellation of the New Mexico City Airport, because there was a multimillion dollar business around;

" Because of the Dos Bocas refinery", because it replaces the Imports that are also managed by these groups;

"They protest for the control of government purchases", because they have also been displaced from there.

Fernández Dávalos also referred to the counterweights that the President of Mexico has and that focus more than anything on “Political Interests of the country's big capitals, the Press or the Television Channels, because –he underlined–“ Elites that emerged from the Porfiriato, since 1910, have been displaced from the political control of Mexico, but not from economic control ”.

But the rector of Ibero went further and criticized the “Campaign Undertaken by those sectors to discredit, even, the moral and intellectual quality of the 30 million Mexicans who voted a year ago for López Obrador, whom they define as“ beings not rational, but manipulable, affordable, who only vote with the guts without measuring the consequences.

  " The reaction that these opposition groups have had," added the rector, "is to maintain that Andrés Manuel's victory comes from the decision of nonhumans, the brainless, the uneducated. It is the reaction of fear because they fear being affected, after having affected, and in such pernicious ways, the others. ”

The president believes that, in his confusion, the right-wing opponents must ask themselves: why do those who are here to serve me now want to govern me? Why now do I have to listen to those who should remain silent?

For the teacher Fernández there is no doubt - it is pointed out in the press bulletin - that there is a racist and class criticism in the reaction against the Andrés Manuel government, and that those who attack him think that everything would be fine if each one were satisfied with the caste that has been assigned to it and with the place it has to occupy in society.

It does not stop surprising and it is recognized that he is the rector of one of the most prestigious private universities, and at the same time more elitist in the country - from an economic point of view - who pronounces himself in such an open manner against certain groups whose members In more than a few cases, they have graduated from the classrooms of the institution that they now head.

It is in this context that public universities, but also private ones - such as Ibero - must play a leading role in these times of change. Whatever their vocation, the universities are obliged to assume their responsibility as instruments that generate and encourage critical awareness, but at the same time they must take on the task of leading the change of the country along certain paths.

All universities, even the most elitist or those of the right, today have the historical opportunity to be the tools that lead and guide the efforts of a rotten, class-oriented Mexican society that is urgent to transform.

03/24/2020 à 09:13 - Azril (OBS): <Médias omis>

03/24/2020 à 11:08 - Paco (Focupuller): https://youtu.be/Z-SyZiwXKs0

03/25/2020 à 10:48 - Boaventura UPMS: <Médias omis>

03/25/2020 à 16:08 - Rosa CEAAL PX00002: Thank you Boa !! Two big problems for Brazil.

03/25/2020 à 16:44 - Michel CARITAS INTL: And everyone. We have a majority of leaders who do not care about their peoples and the common good but about their own interests. Perhaps this health crisis will achieve major changes in the financial-economic field. Thanks Boa for sharing.

03/25/2020 à 16:46 - Uddhab NIGD: Hi

03/25/2020 at 16:48 - Azril (OBS):

It is no coincidence that there are about 1,500 high-ranking military personnel in the entire power structure in Brazil. When trumpf falls, Pence rises. When bag falls, Moraes comes up. Is it a long-term fight and to see who puts the bell to the cat? Which brings me to the plane of the cultural war that underlies the arrival to power of the aforementioned.

Public opinion alchemists like Steve Bannon have read Sorel and Gramsci. I would like our left geniuses to help us regain cultural hegemony with an effective counter-propaganda strategy. A little over a month ago, Le Pen's granddaughter came to support VOX and used the same formula: culture war.

I fondly remember the education and popular culture materials of the IMDEC in Guadalajara. How about starting a campaign to combat that plague that manipulates public opinion as Goebbels did last century. We can invoke RIUS, Carlos Núñez and Méndez Arceo, to help us out, right? Get your batteries, comrades! 🤓

03/25/2020 à 17:47 - Leonardo CUT: <Médias omis>

03/26/2020 at 10:33 - Hamouda FMAS: 🤘

03/26/2020 à 17:42 - Azril (OBS): It seems that the massive use of masks in Asian countries helped stop the pandemic. Today Europe, the US, Mexico and Brazil are the epicenter of the pandemic. Closing borders makes sense to avoid contaminating the rest of the world 🌏 The best masks seem to be the Korean ones, built with nanotechnology. I recommend reading the Korean philosopher Byung-Chul Han in Country 3/22. Very sobering! Polar clamps. Isi

@ 43 MATTHEWS SHARE ONLINE SEMINAR

03/26/2020 à 19:30 - Mateus OCLAE: 🚨 * VIRTUAL ROOM DA CTB * 🚨

* CORONAVÍRUS: NOTES INTERNACIONAIS & CHINA DO SÉC XXI E CRISE DO CAPITALISMO *

* DATA: 03/31/20, Terça-Feira, 10am to 12pm. *

PALESTRANTES:

* ELIAS JABBOUR *

Doutor em Geografia (Human Geography) strips USP. É Adjunct Professor of the Faculty of Economic Sciences (FCE-UERJ).

* ANA PRESTES *

Doutora em Ciência Política pra UFMG. É Assessora Técnica na Câmara dos Deputados.

📍 Inscrições e maiores informações pelo zap (11) 97176-9425

📍 * TO PARTICIPATE Via computer * - copy or link http://meet.google.com/ueg-wfmr-jcc and cole na right bar of Google chrome. Then click on "Participate now".

PARA * TO PARTICIPATE Via smartphone * - click no link http://meet.google.com/ueg-wfmr-jcc install or app * MEET * na Play Store, click em "continue". Then click on "Ask to participate".

* Adilson Araújo *

* National President of CTB *

* Ronaldo Leite *

* Secretário de Formação e Cultura *

03/26/2020 à 20:13 - Azril (OBS): Excellent !!!

@ 43B ROUND TABLE ONLINE FROM MEXICO - SESSION 1 OF THE PLURI SESSION  SELF-ORGANIZED ENCOUNTER EX040 "economy - climate- decrease"

03/27/2020 à 02:34 - Gina AFM: <Médias omis>

03/28/2020 à 00:08 - Alonso (CF Fospa): https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1340183726169209&id=492225884298335

03/29/2020 à 09:29 - Azril (OBS): Dear Cholultecas

I attach a rebel Tanka from my harvest.

I heard today the

first trill of dawn

spring that

defy the step

gloomy from the plague.

Fraternally

/ Azril

@ 44 JASON SHARES INVITATION TO THE VIRAL OPEN SPACE

03/29/2020 at 16:01 - Jason RIPESSi: Dear all,

the Viral Open Space - 2 days of online exchanges has just started. You can see the program here: https://www.viralopenspace.net/timetable/

There will be at least 3 activities on the World Social Forum, you are all invited to join:

  • https://www.viralopenspace.net/activities/about-the-world-social-forum-wsf-in-mexico-2021/
  • https://www.viralopenspace.net/activities/future-activism-social-movements-and-the-wsf/
  • https://www.viralopenspace.net/activities/world-social-forum-on-transformative-economies/

03/29/2020 à 17:55 - Flora DAWN: Thanks Jason! Hug

03/30/2020 à 16:19 - Azril (OBS): Dear Jason

I think I was late for mass, but I can contribute retroactively with a rebel Tanka in the times of the viral pandemic in two versions that differ in Spanish and English, as follows:

I heard today or

first trill of dawn

spring that

defy the step

gloomy from the plague.

----

Listened today

the first trill at daybreak it

is spring defying

the somber goose steps of

virus and political pests.

----

If you repeat the experiment, I join with pleasure. Greetings to Roberto. It occurs to me that a new focus or axis could be "the other possible world after the pandemic". A hug. Azril

03/29/2020 à 17:52 - Mateus OCLAE: https://www.facebook.com/asambleanacionalcuba/videos/698258457578398/

@ 44B VOS VIRTUAL OPENSPACE NOTES FIRST SESSION ENGLISH

first reports http://openfsm.net/projects/espacios-oe/event2020-viralopenspace-session1
200 participants 45 documentation workshops to come

@ 45 LIEGE SHARES STATEMENT

03/30/2020 à 16:58 - Liege FDIM: O BRAZIL CANNOT BE DESTROYED BY BOLSONARO

Or Brazil in the world is facing a semi-preceding emergency in modern history, a pandemic of coronaviruses, of very serious consequences for human life, public health and economic activity.

In this country, the emergency is aggravated by an irresponsible President of the Republic. Jair Bolsonaro is the greatest obstacle to making urgent decisions to reduce the evolution of the situation, save lives and guarantee families, or companies. Attempts against public health, disregarding technical determinations and experiences of other countries. Before the check of viruses, the public services of the Brazilian economy were dramatically weakened by the neoliberal agenda that was being imposed on the country. This time it is necessary to mobilize, without limits, all the public resources necessary to save lives.

Bolsonaro did not have the conditions to continue ruling or Brazil and to face that crisis, which commits health to the economy. He commits crimes, fraudulent information, mind and incentive or chaos, taking advantage of the despair of the most vulnerable population. We need unity and understanding to confront a pandemic, not a president who opposes the authorities of Saúde Pública and submete to life of all his authoritarian political interests. Enough! Bolsonaro is more than a political problem, it has become a public health problem. Bolsonaro lacks greatness. It should resign, what would be or less cumbersome gesture to allow a democratic exit to the country. He needs to be urgently restrained and respond to the crimes he is committing against us.

Ao mesmo tempo, ao contra contra de seu governo - which announces late and erratic measures - we fear compromise with Brazil. For this reason, we are calling for popular and democratic political unity around a National Emergency Plan to implement the following:

- Maintain and qualify the measures to reduce the social contact in the forem necessary, according to scientific criteria;

-Creation of lawsuits of provisional UTIs and mass importation of tests and protective equipment for professionals and for the population;

- Urgent implementation of the permanent Basic Renda for unemployed people and informal workers, in accordance with the PL approved by Câmara dos Deputados, and with special attention to poor indigenous people, quilombolas e aos sem-teto, que estão em maior vulnerabilidade;

-Suspensão da cobrança das rates of basic services for the poorest inas long as it lasts,

-Prohibição de demissões, com Auxílio do Estado not pay the salary to the most affected sectors and relief in the form of subsidized financing, medium, small and micro business;

-Regulamentação imediata of taxes on large fortunes, profits and dividends; A compulsory loan to be paid by private banks and the use of the National Treasury to cover health and social security expenses, in addition to the provision for a selective and discretionary review of resignations, when the economy is normalized.

In the face of a government that irresponsibly advocates no social, economic and political chaos, it is the duty of the National Congress to legislate in emergencies, to protect or povo the pandemic country. He is the governor and prefect of the Zelarem for the public health, acting in a coordinated way, like muitos têm feito in a louvavel way. It is also the responsibility of the Public Ministry and of the Judiciary to promptly determine criminal initiatives of an Executive nature that violate the constitutional guarantees of human life. It is up to all to act with responsibility and patriotism.

ASSINAM (by alphabetical order):

Carlos Siqueira, national president of PSB.

Carlos Lupi, national president of PDT.

Ciro Gomes, ex-candidate for Presidency hair PDT.

Edmilson Costa, national president of the PCB.

Fernando Haddad, ex-candidate for the PT Hair Presidency.

Flavio Dino, Governor of the State of Maranhão.

Guilherme Boulos, ex-candidate for Presidency hair PSOL.

Gleisi Hoffmann, national president of PT.

Juliano Medeiros, national president of PSOL.

Luciana Santos, national president of PC do B.

Manuela D'Avila, ex-candidate for Vice-presidency (PC do B).

Roberto Requião, ex-governor of Paraná.

Sonia Guajajara, ex-candidate for Vide-presidência (PSOL)

Tarsus Genro, ex-governor of Rio Grande do Sul

@ 46 AUDIO FROM  ROSA IN CHARTA MAIOR

03/31/2020 à 17:23 - Tibúrcio CIRANDA: <Médias omis>

03/31/2020 à 17:23 - Tibúrcio CIRANDA: * RADIO CARTA MAIOR * Ouça agora, clicking no link: https://www.cartamaior.com.br/?/Editoria/Movimentos-Sociais/Forum-Social-Mundial -rumo-ao-Mexico-Janeiro-de-2021/2/46984

03/31/2020 à 17:30 - Azril (OBS): Sweden has had a more lax, permissive and lethal policy than Norway, Denmark and Finland combined. At the moment, Stockholm and other municipalities are overwhelmed by the demand for intensive care, lack of protective equipment for medical and health personnel, for lack of providence and criminal negligence, associated with the dismantling and privatization of services, on behalf of the market freedom. Now the seed of this suicide project is reaped. Quickly after 1982. I will send you an article by Vincenc Navarro that explains it better. By my side, calmly in the eye of the storm 🤓

@ 46B COMMUNICATION COMMISSION  MEETING  MEXICO FC SITUATION WSF2021 WEBSITE

[06:51, 04/01/2020] Rita CIRANDA:

ENGLISH

We just had a heated meeting. Two projects were presented, both good, one of them multilingual with data protection. Or another may also be (multilingual). The point is that one of them is a website hosted on google and the other on free software. And Google's advocates are upset by the arguments of free technology advocates. But we are moving forward.

Cheer for the WSF. It is not easy!

06:53, 04/01/2020] Rosa CEAAL: Two web page proposals are presented:

1) https://www.forosocialmundial.mx/ and
2) https://fsm2021.mayfirst.org/

[06:56, 04/01/2020] Rita CIRANDA: Rosy, could you explain to Forum about technology? Foi outro en route to the meeting.

[07:13, 04/01/2020] Rosa CEAAL: Yes, the idea is to have a debate, a conversation or a forum about the technologies that we need for the communication of the world social forum. It is important to make this debate from the entities that are part of CI and those that we are engaging in the Communication commission of the WSF in Mexico.

For this we propose to organize a debate regarding the technologies that the WSF requires. This arose since one of the colleagues who submitted one of the website proposals is very determined to use Google Suite to host the FSM website.

Many of us who were present at the meeting affirmed the need to give this debate, as an ethical and political commitment, not just a technological one of the WSF. So we will inform you soon about it.

ENGLISH

Rita CIRANDA: Rosy, can you explain the proposed Forum on technology? It was another referral of the meeting

[07:13, 04/01/2020] Rosa CEAALIn english 👉🏼 Yes, the idea is to have a debate, a conversation or a forum about the technologies that we need for the communication of the world social forum. It is important to make this debate from the entities that are part of CI and those that we are engaging in the Communication commission of the WSF in Mexico. For this we propose to organize a debate regarding the technologies that the WSF requires. This arose since one of the colleagues who submitted one of the website proposals is very determined to use Google Suite to host the FSM website. Many of us who were present at the meeting affirmed the need to give this debate, as an ethical and political commitment, not just a technological one of the WSF. So we will inform you soon about it.

[13:25, 04/01/2020] Rita CIRANDA:

Thank you Rosy. It is important that this CI COMMUNICATION Working Group created in Porto Alegre follow and support this agenda. Yesterday, the commission agreed to work in direct connection with IC WG (and vice versa) so that we can move towards a common plan.

Thanks Rosy It is important that this Working Group follows and supports this agenda. Yesterday, the commission agreed to work in direct connection with IC WG (and vice versa) so that we can move towards a common plan.

[07:28, 04/02/2020] Pierre CARITAS INTL: Hello Hello

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some contextualization elements on these TWO website PROPOSALS for FSM 2021 mexico

THE FIRST PROPOSAL OF WEBSITE https://www.forosocialmundial.mx/ this is a page made by a group of people just arrived at the forum process. which is made with a Google product (which is assumed by this team)

The person with the most outstanding contribution to this website (in terms of content and computer technique) also expresses an ideology in various channels of the Mexican facilitating collective (which is important to better locate and qualify in relation to the ideological positionning of charter of principles )

He has made a letter to the international council that is here: http://openfsm.net/projects/pfsm20/pfsm20-insumo90/#MAURICIO (aut translate) 

I've announced this letter in an online speech at the Porto Alegre meeting: http://openfsm.net/projects/ic-extended/poa20-202001-reunion-ci-transcripcion-del-video-dia26-v0 insumo @ 130 ( auto translate)

It is noteworthy that the web domain forosocialmundial.mx/ used for this proposal was reserved in an assembly of August 2019 http://openfsm.net/projects/pfsm20/pfsm20-taller-10y11agosto19/#comunicacionEN and the control of the domain entrusted to Leo. Since then, there has been no decision, either by the communication commission Mexico, - (in which there was never a consensus to support this particular proposal for a website), or at a later cf mex assembly, to grant the use of this domain . web to this site proposal

THE SECOND WEB SITE PROPOSAL https://fsm2021.mayfirst.org/ emanates from a group that has a clearer and longer identification with the historical proposal of the world social forum - It is based on free software wordpress (the same one that was used to www.fsm2016.org and www.wsf2018.org) - Provisionally use a mayfirst server that is a technological-political cooperative with two legal expressions: one expression in the United States (which gave technological support to the process of the United States Social Forum https: //www.ussocialforum.net/ussf3-eval-and-documentation.pdf (see page 52) and an expression in Mexico, which is now getting involved towards WSF 2021

@ 47 WE ARRIVED APRIL 1

04/01/2020 à 03:54 - Uddhab NIGD: https://cssame.nchu.edu.tw/2020/03/30/nepal-dealing-with-the-big-neighbor-and-pandemic/

04/01/2020 à 16:06 - Liege FDIM: https://www.facebook.com/136526549720709/posts/3914022468637746/?sfnsn=wiwspwa&d=w&vh=e&extid=7Jj2A70aDLzglOPj&d=w&vh=e

04/01/2020 à 18:07 - Boaventura UPMS: <Médias omis>

04/01/2020 à 21:09 - Azril (OBS): <Médias omis>

04/01/2020 à 21:17 - Mauri ABONG: <Médias omis>