Original: http://titanpad.com/globalsquare9
Also posted here: http://www.global-square.net/minutes-17-march-2013/
Minutes 17 March 2013
During this last online meeting before the WSF in Tunis we discussed our
schedule of proposed activities and how to make sure people who are not
attending can communicate with us through livestreams, skype, mumble, etc.
*AGENDA*
0. introducing each other
1. moderation, minutes, turns
2. Recap the basics on WSF & GlobalSquare (for those who may be new)
3. Review the events being planned
*MINUTES*
*0. introducing each other*
Participants
Marisa, OWS New York
Kate, Occupy London
Shawn, OWS New York
Jasper, Occupy Nijmegen, the Netherlands
Orsan, Occupy Amsterdam, the Netherlands
Dani, 15M Barcelona
Bernardo, 15M-Internacional, Latin America´s social movements
Piran, Berlin
Pierre , Paris -- tunis extended : http://www.fsm2013.org/en/node/5653
Carminda -- VIA22- Montreal- Quebec -
Solem-15M Amsterdam
John, Occupy London
*1. moderation, minutes, turns*
Facilitation: Dani, Minutes: Jasper, Shawn and all
*2. Recap the basics on WSF & GlobalSquare (for those who may be new)*
Dani is explaining the background of the GlobalSquare initiative. More
info on http://www.global-square.net
here you can subscribe to the mailinglist:
http://openfsm.net/projects/2011movements-fsm-wsf/lists/2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion
Proposed activities for the World Social Forum in Tunis:
slot 1: 9h00-11h30
slot 2: 13h00-15h30
slot 3: 16h00-18h30
On the 27th:
1st slot:
Title: MEDIA PLATFORMS FOR ACTION.
Link: http://www.fsm2013.org/en/node/4600
Organized by: GlobalSquare.
2nd slot:
Title: FACILITATION AND DECISION MAKING PROCESSES IN HORIZONTAL GROUPS.
Link: http://www.fsm2013.org/en/node/4603
Organized by: GlobalSquare.
3rd slot:
Title: Open assemblies of the movements from the squares 1
Link: http://www.fsm2013.org/en/node/1227
Organized by: GlobalSquare.
On the 28th:
1st slot:
Title: Networked solidarity? interactions between labour, NGOs,
political groups and the squares
Link: http://www.fsm2013.org/en/node/7069
Organized by: GlobalSquare.
2nd slot:
Title: "VIA22 -- Comment collaborer au-delà du FSM? Espace ouvert et
créatif pour le dialogue entre les personnes impliquées dans les
mouvements sociaux actuels et au sein de la société civile / How can we
collaborate beyond the WSF? "
Link: http://www.fsm2013.org/en/node/2346
Organized by: VIA22.
3rd slot:
Title: Open assemblies of the movements from the squares 2
Link: http://www.fsm2013.org/en/node/1229
Organized by: GlobalSquare.
On the 29th:
1st slot:
Title: "Interoccupy: Connect. Colaborate. Organize."
Link: http://www.fsm2013.org/en/node/4019
Organized by: InterOccupy.
2nd slot:
Title: Open assemblies of the movements from the squares 3
Link: http://www.fsm2013.org/en/node/1232
Organized by: GlobalSquare.
Some practical points on crowdfunding: is going to happen on the spot,
because the online options were not suitable.
*3. Review the events being planned*
*Daniel* presents the different proposed activities (see above)
*Piran:* our 3 assemblies and 3 workshops (Orsan and Vica) are
registered under the name of GlobalSquare. We have to say something
about the other 3.
Very vague title of Networked Solidarity. Individuals have registered
activities with the name of GlobalSquare. I'm concerned about
responsibility: what is part of GlobalSquare.
*Dani:* my personal opinion. we made an organisation because we needed
one to be able to register events. Via22 and Interoccupy activities were
already registered.
*Orsan:* I agree with Piran. From the beginning we were discussing this,
to keep the activities open. It is not called assembly because there are
3 assemblies at the end of each day.
The idea was to link people from different occupied workplaces, etc in
my meeting (Networked Solidarity) and we want to listen to different
experiences. If you want to add anything, please do so.
*Marisa:*I imagined the workshop as a conversation, a dialogue, with
common questions that we all face. I'm not too worried about anyone
dominating the conversation, or trying to be a panelist. I think we're
all in agreement.
*Piran:* I find your ideas very nice, Orsan, but some points were
problems for me and needed to be more clear. I don't agree with sharing
with political parties taking part in the new movements.They represent
as individuals, not as memebers of the parties. Political parties send
their representatives, as a delegation, and this is something that we
never accepted. This is the whole problem of competition and struggle
that overtook the whole movement.I also don't agree with working with
trade unions, because they are a part of the system and impeding direct
action, and they are hierarchical. These points should be clear, that
was my point.
*Shawn:* we can debate all day about unions etc, but i think we are here
to connect, we are just one of many groups, i like the idea and i think
it's relevant topic here to talk about ngo's and unions and how to
relate to them. I think it's very different in Tunsia than for examplke
in Europe or the US. I would like to see the agenda clearified and maybe
we can talk about that.
*Orsan:* It doesn't have to be negative and can also be positive. We had
a general stike in US called by an assembly and supported by unions.
Zapatistas, AnonymousThere are these types of interactions that we have
to talk about, and it doesn't have to be positive. Last week, for
example, we had this "For A European Spring" mobilization. So it's
importatnt to link these people online and on the ground. Also, Via22
has a very similar concept for their workshop, of how we can
collaborate. There are many activists active in the NGO's, but they are
also criticial. As Shawn said, we can work on it together, there is a
pad, if there's anyone who would like to contribute, maybe we can talk
after this meeting.
Working pads for this exchange
Pad 1: http://titanpad.com/networkedsolidarity
Pad 2: http://titanpad.com/newglobalunionism
*Marisa:* I'm a bit worried about having this conversation now. We
should be having this in person. We're talking about talking.
Personally, I'm more interested in talking about lodging and logistics,
because we're now only a week away from Tunis. That's why I got on this
call, and I'm going to have to leave in 20 minutes.
*Pierre :* will those 5 activities be enlarged on internet ? who ? how ?
*Dani* answers to Pierre: we will do streamings ourselves, we have money
for simcards,
--- something about program, time slots etc...
*Piran:* we need to set the next meeting: how where when, I have not
seen the email you talk about Daniel.
*Dani:* agree with Piran: we need to set the meeting on 25th in Tunis to
prepare things
*Pierre:* If this groups global square is just taking one initiative,
and there are other groups via 22 interoccupy doing the same, there has
been a lot of talk about not representing anyone, there should be a
clear statement about inviting people to participate remotely in those
assemblies from USA europe spain etc.., I think it makes an important
point, and people will feel like through those initiatives they are
transformed and understand more points about the social forum . Si it is
important to give advanced notice, and not just streaming on the go
unidirectionnal , but way to submit comments to tunis, not to be
intrusive in the dynamics face to face in tunis but to be a bridge
with what is happening in Tunis, and this requires advanced notice and
clear instructions on what people that mean to tele-participate need
to do. That's more the political aspect of my remark. I think it's
important to be clear to people far away from tunis who mean business
and want to participate what they need to do and who is their coounter
part and hwo their inputs will be treated .
*Bernardo*: this is Bernado orginally 15M Madrid, now in Brasil, met
Pierre last year in Porto Alegre. I think it;s important what Pierre is
saying. In B. we have trade unions, but also big movements, youth, free
software. I will try to helkp you to connect with these movements. There
are new spaces, for example in Porto Alegre there was a space, hangout.
P2PWiki
It's important to connect. Speaking about Global Square, I can help you
finding resources.
*Dani:* maybe you can make clear what kind of recourses:
*Bernardo*: I'm talking about money and about resources for
communication, maybe I can help.
*Marisa*: I just wanted to propose to have dinner on the 25th together
in the evening to identify the roles and tasks for the assemblies. I
have to leave soon so I want to figure out a system for this. I can also
send out an announcement to people here in New York and spread the
message. So define the tasks and sending out messages.
*Dani:* So, any proposal for a place and time for a prep meeting: time
5pm? anyone knows a place?
*Marisa:* anyone in touch with the student union? and meet at their
place at the university?
*Marisa volunteers to check with the students union and let us know if
this is possible.*
*Dani*: as soon we have bought some simcards, we can publish the numbers
on the website so people can get in touch with us.
*Pierre*: pasted a example of an invitation to make sure we get in touch
with people who want to connect from a distance, advice to use skype
because many people have skype. to make sure that GlobalSquare is
offering a protocal for connection and include people and make them
comfortable to participate in the conversation. At least the group has
to inform the liason person, whoever that is.
Circulate the message at least one week before the assemblies so
wednesday , so people consider to be part of it. GlobalSquare is among
400 organisations who want to teleenlarge activities in Tunis. If you
want I can get you in touch with a young volunteer person from Tunis
Extended for technical assistance, but the responsiblity for sending the
invitation and organiszing the liaison is with your group.
*Kate*: about accomodation. People in Occupy London plan to stay in
student places for 10 euros a day. Any info on other options?
*Dani*: some info is on the website.
*Dani*: who is going to send the invitation for the teleparticipation
*Sol*: asks for clearification about the task
*Sol, Orsan, Jasper offer to help and meet after this meeting to do the
work.*
*Pierre*: not mix up invitation about teleparticipation and preparation
meeting (...)
*Sol*: I agree with the point that they are 2 different things.This
process has been open for months so it's quite clear that this is
happening. and about how to connect to assemblies. it is important to
know what technology to use. I think we need to know as soon as possible.
Pad to share info to be in touch once in Tunis:
http://titanpad.com/globalsquarepart
*Carminda*: do we have a place to meet beforehand. There is a march on
tuesday, maybe we can go together. We are coming with more than 200
people from quebec.
*Orsan*: People from NY and Madrid with experience in Live Streaming
will be in Tunis. They might help us.
*Sol*: These groups will have their own activities son we need to know
whether they can actually stream the assemblies.
*Orsan volunteers to have this information for coming Wednesday.*
*Pierre*: Skype might be used for sure. If we get other technologies we
could use them then. There are two elements, the video and the chat. The
video is for getting a sense of what is happening and the chat for
interacting.
text.html (text/html) 16.1 kB