Dear Francine thank you to you and the others for this. I am travelling so
i can only say this for now, i will get back to you as soon as i return to
a reliable internet connection
Giu
On Jun 29, 2013 6:26 PM, "Francine Mestrum" <mestrum@...> wrote:

> Thanks a lot Jasper.****
>
> Your comment will be taken into account.****
>
> ** **
>
> As for the ‘voice’ of all participants in the convergence meeting, it
> should indeed be heard and it is the intention to present them a
> questionnaire. The question remains whether they  will react. Based on my
> own experience with the convergence on social protection, I am not too
> optimistic, since in spite of repeated demands, there is very little life
> in the group … but let us be patient and try.****
>
> ** **
>
> Best,****
>
> Francine****
>
> ** **
>
> *Van:* jasper teunissen [mailto:jasperteunissen@...]
> *Verzonden:* 29 June 2013 17:00
> *Aan:* cifutur-consultations@...
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [G2 - CI futur Consult Carto Eval Strategy Synth] RE:
> [G2 - CI futur Consult Carto Eval Strategy Synth] Re: [IC-G2 ]
> questionnaire réform CI/cuesti onario reforma CI/ questionnaire IC reform*
> ***
>
> ** **
>
> Dear all,
>
> As an IC outsider I share the concerns of Shawn. After going through the
> proposed survey I feel confused and overwhelmed. I think the questions and
> optional answers are not just 'tedious', but too much directed to desired
> outcomes, including many detailed proposals and suggestions that have
> hardly been circulated or discussed before. It makes me think I'm entering
> a foggy, complicated and bureaucratic world. I'm not against proposing or
> suggesting anything, but if the main aim is to find out how both existing
> IC members and potential new members see their own role in the future of
> the WSF, my advice is to drastically simplify the model, based on clear and
> strict goals, including a transparent path for the processing, presentation
> and collective evaluation of the results.
>
> I also would like to share a wider critical observation on the process to
> discuss the future of the WSF. I think we should not only focus on the
> needs, capacities and visions of those already involved, and found their
> ways through the barriers around the IC structure. The splitting in the
> three working groups was arbitrary and not openly and thoroughly discussed.
> So we are still repeating the old situation, in which it is very hard to
> get an overview, understand the functions and tasks of these groups, and
> see how working groups are related and feeding into a collective process.
> This may be the reason why the debate about the future never really got
> started, and we are now losing the fire and potential energies we
> experienced in Tunis. The question remains: where is the voice of the
> hundreds of groups who organised the workshops and meetings, the hundreds
> of volunteers, translators, technical assistants, and of course the
> thousands of participants of the last forum? What are their needs,
> expectations, views, commitments?
>
> To be honest and direct, I think trying to transform the WSF from the top
> down is a mistake. I'm sure there are other ways...
>
> greetings,
>
> Jasper Teunissen
>
>
>
>
>
> Op 29-6-2013 9:36, Francine Mestrum schreef:****
>
> Thank you very much Shawn.****
>
> Your comments are very relevant and useful and surely will have to be
> taken into account when finalizing the questionnaire.****
>
> In the meantime it would be good to have also other members opinion, so I
> would like to ask members to also give their opinion on this specific point.
> ****
>
> Does the presentation of the questionnaire stimulate you to answer the
> questions?****
>
>  ****
>
> Shawn fait la Remarque comme quoi la presentation du questionnaire n’est
> pas vraiment stimulant, trop peu Claire et n’invite pas à répondre auw
> questions.****
>
> Cette remarque importante devra être prise en compte au moment où le
> questionnaire sera finalisé. Entretemps, nous aimerions vous inviter à
> aussi vous exprimer sur cette question. Etes-vous d’accord ou non?****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> Shawn nos dice que la presentacion del cuestionario no es realmente
> estimulante, no invita a contestar a las preguntas. Es un comentario muy
> util y pertinente que tendremos que tomar en cuenta al momento de finalizar
> el cuestionario.****
>
> Mientras tanto, les invitamos a pronunciarse tambièn sobre esta cuestion.
> Estan de acuerdo o no?****
>
>  ****
>
> Muchas gracias por su atencion****
>
> Many thanks/ Merci beaucoup.****
>
>  ****
>
> *Van:* Shawn Carrié [mailto:shawn@...<shawn@...>]
>
> *Verzonden:* 29 June 2013 00:48
> *Aan:* cifutur-consultations@...
> *Onderwerp:* [G2 - CI futur Consult Carto Eval Strategy Synth] Re:
> [IC-G2] questionnaire réform CI/cuestionario reforma CI/ questionnaire IC
> reform****
>
>  ****
>
> I'm glad to see something is moving on this topic. I imagine that creating
> this survey took a lot of careful thought and work, and I thank those who
> worked on it.****
>
>  ****
>
> However, I am going to be very critical – not for political or ideological
> reasons, but simply for objective, empirical reasons which I hope will be
> taken into account and implemented in order to strengthen this phase of the
> work and move us forward. I will make two points:****
>
>  ****
>
> *-----------------*****
>
>  ****
>
> *• There are many critical flaws with the survey, from a data
> architecture standpoint, and from a design and user experience standpoint.
> ** *****
>
>  ****
>
>                • The survey as it stands now uses some very poor data
> practices, such as asking multiple questions in a single field.****
>
> *                    (for example, question 1B asks for Name, Email,
> Skype, and Telephone.)*****
>
> *          • *This will make it very difficult to make any sort of
> statistical evaluation of the data because it is not segregated and
> machine-readable. ****
>
>           • This can be remedied by separating each discrete data point
> into its own field, but there are many problems with the architecture of
> this survey.****
>
> *           In short, a Data Analyst is badly needed.*****
>
>  ****
>
> *• The design & layout of the survey is working against the content
> within it.*****
>
>  ****
>
>                • The layout of the questions is not visually conducive to
> ease of reading and understanding the prompts.****
>
>           • The questions themselves are not bad, but the poor visual
> presentation of the text makes the survey confusing and tedious.****
>
>           • The text is excessively cluttered and not formatted in a way
> that makes it easy to parse, or visually pleasing.****
>
>                     - For example, take a look at the way I've formatted
> this email - using larger text, indenting, and bullet point, this makes the
> outline of my****
>
>                     points easier to read and understand. ****
>
>           *In short, a Design Editor is badly needed. *****
>
>  ****
>
> *-----------------*****
>
>  ****
>
> I can already predict that others may be encountering similar issues with
> the survey, and I'm certain that those evaluating the results will have a
> very difficult time analyzing the results and effectively reporting on
> them. ****
>
>  ****
>
> This issue had already come up when the attendance data was published to
> this list, and I personally took the initiative to clean up and re-publish
> a report on IC organization's attendance<http://shawncarrie.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/ic-attendance.pdf>,
> which no one replied to or acknowledged. I have offered, and continue to
> offer my services to this group.****
>
>  ****
>
> *In summary*, I observe that there is a vast need for improvement in the
> way that the WSF and IC are utilizing technological resources to support
> its work.****
>
> This was the main position that I pushed in the G2 meeting in Tunis, and I
> firmly retain this position. I do look forward to working within this
> process, and hope that this sincere concern will be acknowledged and
> addressed.****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> ⨳****
>
> Shawn Carrié****
>
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>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> On Friday, June 28, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Francine Mestrum wrote:****
>
>  ****
>
> http://openfsm.net/projects/cifutur/cifuturg2-form-input1-invitationg2 ***
> *
>
>  ****
>
> Dear members of working group 2,****
>
> Chers membres du groupe de travail n° 2****
>
> Estimados miembros del grupo de trabajo 2****
>
>  ****
>
> You will find herewith (see url above) a questionnaire concerning the
> restructuring of the WSF/IC. It has been prepared by Sergio, Pierre and
> Francine. You may remember this was decided in Tunis.****
>
>  ****
>
> This is a test, before sending the questionnaire to all IC members and to
> others. We would like to ask you to seriously answer it and give us your
> evaluation. Since there are still many questions about it, there may be a
> need to further amend it. ****
>
>  ****
>
> This is a very important step in the preparation process of the IC
> restructuring. We therefore hope to receive your answer as soon as
> possible. We thank you very warmly in advance.****
>
>  ****
>
> ------****
>
>  ****
>
> Vous trouverez ci-joint (voir url ci-dessus) un questionnaire sur la
> restructuration du FSM/CI. Il a été préparé par Sergio, Pierre et Francine.
> Vous vous rappellerez sans doute qu'il s'agit d'une décision prise à Tunis.
> ****
>
>  ****
>
> Ceci est un test, avant d'envoyer le questionnaire à tous les membres du
> CI et à d'autres. Nous aimerions vous demander de bien vouloir y répondre
> et de nous donner votre évaluation. Nous avons encore beaucoup de doutes et
> il sera peut-être nécessaire d'amender le questionnaire.****
>
>  ****
>
> Ceci est une étape importante dans le processus de préparation de la
> restructuration du CI. Nous espérons dès lors de recevoir votre réponse
> dans les plus brefs délais. Nous vous en remercions très chaleureusement.*
> ***
>
>  ****
>
> --------------****
>
>  ****
>
> En anexo (url abajo) encontraran un cuestionario sobre la nueva estructura
> del FSM/CI. Fue preparado por Sergio, Pierre y Francine. Asi lo decidimos
> en Tunez.****
>
>  ****
>
> Eso es un 'test', antes de mandar el cuestionario a todos los miembrois
> del CI y a otros. Por favor, traten de responder a las cuestiones y de
> darnos su evaluacion. Nosotros tenemos algunas dudas y podria ser necesario
> de enmendar el cuestionario.****
>
>  ****
>
> Eso es una etapa importante en el proceso de la reforma del FSM/CI. Por lo
> tanto, esperamos recibir sus respuestas lo mas antes posible. Muchisimas
> gracias de antemano.****
>
>  ****
>
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