pierre, would you please send us the list of 10 objectives of the forum
defined since  Nairobi?
thanks
bettina

2009/7/22 Pierre George <pierregrg@...>

> Dear Bettina and all
>
> here is an input on the taxonomy issue that is appearing
>
> 1/ we have the 10 objectives of the forum defined since  Nairobi that stay
> "adopted" widely now and  stand as a " common good"  between us,  so  let us
> use them  as a basis  - they maybe not perfect but they have the
> uncomparable quality of being consensed in the process
>
> 2/then , once we have accumulated some concrete material , of any type,  we
> can discuss further about taxonomy which is a challenging subject ,
> with many options possible like : introducing sub categories inside the 10
> objectives,( a bit too classical since any list can be questionned, or
> practising public tagging  ( like in wsftv )  and trying to managthe tags to
> merge them if relevant and avoid pulverization (  as was attempted during
> GDA 2008)  etc...
>
> 3 /while we discuss issue 2,  we can  pragmatically take into account the
> existence of lists of 100+ historical keywords lists  that were used in
> porto alegre 3 5 In mumbai  4 in polycentrics 6 and nairobi 7 sites and
> maybe in belem
> - those lists of keywords have been used by the organziers of  the
> thousands of actiivties in those forum events , so wiht all their defects
> they provide a convenient way to classify the content that is linked somehow
> to those activities
> So for the PAST  we can have contents that are linked  to activities that
> are linked to those keywords that we can relate to some of the 10 objectives
> ...not so bad  eh?
>
> thanks for feebacks and comments
>
> See you soon on line
> Pierre
>
> 2009/7/21 bettina gozzano <bg.64.it@...>
>
>> Dear Hilde, this time I manage! maybe it was just a server problem the
>> other day!gouing through it quickly, I think it is a good basis to sart
>> discussion about it,
>> personally , so far I dont mind at all this:
>>
>> 1. Water, Environment and Energy
>> 2. Democracy and institutions
>> 3. Peace and war
>> 4. Habitat
>> 5. Gender struggles
>> 6. Dignity, cultural diversity and Discrimination
>> 7. Human rights
>> 8. Youth and Children
>> 9. Food Security and Land reform
>> 10. Labour
>> 11. Education
>> 12. Health
>> 13. Knowledge, Information and communication
>> 14. Taxation, debt, Public finance and Alternative economy
>> 15. Migration
>> 16. Trade and transnational Corporation
>>
>> what do other think about it?
>> ciao
>> bettina
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/7/21 Hilde C Stephansen <so703hs@...>
>>
>> Dear Bettina
>>>
>>> That's strange you couldn't access wsflibrary, I have just tried it and
>>> it
>>> seems ok. Try again with this link:
>>> http://www.wsflibrary.org/index.php/Wsflibrary.org
>>> You should find a link to the 'actionable themes' on the left.
>>>
>>> I had completely forgotten about the little piece I wrote about
>>> classification before, thanks for reminding me!
>>>
>>> I know Mikael Book, who is part of the wsflibrary has written an article
>>> about the actionable themes, I will see if I can find it for you.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Hilde
>>>
>>> On Mon, July 20, 2009 8:29 pm, bettina gozzano wrote:
>>> > dear Hilde, dear all, I've tried to link up with wsflibrary but it
>>> seems
>>> > it is not online anymore.?. through google I found out that on
>>> open.net you
>>> > have allready raised wsf text memory/documentation issue.:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> http://openesf.net/projects/documentation-esf-2008/lists/documentation-es
>>> > f-2008-discussion/archive/2008/07/1217341813240/forum_view
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I'd like to know more about   the 21 actionable themes ( i'll try to
>>> find
>>> >  something on www.open.net, but as you said about process.net,
>>> opent.net
>>> > has the same problem). I will not partecipte to comcom wendsday chat as
>>> > usual, and on july 30 my holidays begin. good summer to everyone! ciao
>>> > bettina
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 2009/7/17 Hilde C Stephansen <so703hs@...>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Dear Bettina, dear all
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> First of all, apologies for my absence in the last few days, as I said
>>> >> in my previous email I was away for a few days, I got back too late on
>>> >> Wednesday to participate in the chat. Then I have been overwhelmed
>>> with
>>> >>  work in the last couple of days.
>>> >>
>>> >> This is just a very quick reply for now. Regarding the point Bettina
>>> >> raises about cataloguing of material, I agree that it is important to
>>> >> have a coherent and shared system for classification. I don't know if
>>> >> any of you know about or have been in contact with the wsf library - a
>>> >> project run by NIGD and a group of Kenyan librarians? They adoped a
>>> >> classification system based on the 'actionable themes' for the 2007
>>> >> forum. You can see it here:
>>> >> http://www.wsflibrary.org/index.php/Actionable_themes. Maybe this
>>> >> can form a basis for discussion?
>>> >>
>>> >> I also think the project of gathering together in one place of past
>>> WSF
>>> >>  memory is very important. Bettina - are you suggesting developing a
>>> >> dedicated site for this?
>>> >>
>>> >> I think both a 'future' and 'past' memory based on documents of all
>>> >> sorts is important, and yes, we do need to somehow systematize and
>>> bring
>>> >>  together the different proposals. It seems there wasn't really a
>>> >> deadline on the 15th after all so we do have some more time...
>>> >>
>>> >> Bye for now,
>>> >> in solidarity, Hilde
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, July 15, 2009 7:56 pm, bettina gozzano wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> PROPOSAL FOR MEMORY ARCHIVE
>>> >>> Hallo to everybody,
>>> >>> I know earlier today there was supposed to be the weekly chat...!
>>> >>> reading the last mails around wsf memory, and the very long project
>>> >>> proposed by sergio ( sorry, i could not read it all, also becouse of
>>> >>> the language!) I am a little worried to see that  a lot of enphasis
>>> is
>>> >>> given to  memory of the future, but almost no concern about memory of
>>> >>> the past! Our group coordinator (Hilde ) is missing and no body
>>> pushed
>>> >>> us to produce a coordinated, partecipated and inclusive memory
>>> project
>>> >>> that has sense and that follows the given guidelines. I think we
>>> >>> should all give a look again at Norma's  document about Memory of WSF
>>> >>> she has sent some time ago, wich I think is the basis for a memory
>>> >>> archive project we
>>> >> should
>>> >>> consider. Today is supposed to be the deadline for presenting all
>>> >>> groups projects+budgets; so far the memoryGT has not presented
>>> >>> something organic and inclusive work. I have sent some thoughts and
>>> >>> ideas through the mail but i do not know if anyone has read it.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The only things I have seen is about the future memory;   sergio's
>>> >>> memory project wich is , in a way, for me not exactly a wsf memory
>>> >>> recording, but more an idea for monitoring what people feel wsf
>>> >>> process is...?The idea is good, but doesn't seem to me a wsf memory
>>> >>> thing; I am skepticale about asking such big financing request for
>>> >>> something that is really good as a museum activity that could, at the
>>> >>> end,  bedonated to wsf process, and not viceversa.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I think we need to consider 2 aspects of memory:
>>> >>> tha past and the future:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> the PAST, which is to be mapped, collected, and possible edited. How
>>> >>> much time and eventually money is needed is difficult to say, since
>>> it
>>> >>>  depends on the amount of material. Most of it will need to be copied
>>> >>> and sent to who will catalouge and edit it.  It may even be possible
>>> >>> that
>>> >> some
>>> >>> material has to be joined fisically, wich may mean travel expences.
>>> >>> All
>>> >>> groups that produce video ( but all sorts of wsf documentation can be
>>> >>> included) should start mapping and share their lists of available
>>> >>> memory material , and also start loading  their material in one and
>>> >>> only wsf database ( for video is supposed to be wsftv.net), this way
>>> >>> all material are collected in one container and is available to all
>>> at
>>> >>> once ( also for a possible  consultation space on pc of all memory
>>> >>> material at future sf)
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> For the FUTURE, I think it is quite easy to say that for each forum
>>> >>> event ,
>>> >>> together with the forum organization commitee, should have a number
>>> of
>>> >>>  people working at collecting  the memory; the number of people
>>> >>> depends on the type of event. For this, a number of crews also with
>>> >>> local people involved ( for video each crew should be of 2 people)
>>> >>> have to make sure that the sf is covered (video, radio, text) as much
>>> >>> as possible,
>>> >> following
>>> >>> key plenaries, some thematic working groups, interviewing key and
>>> >>> common people.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Meantime a catalogation strategy should be studied in order to be
>>> >>> able to easely pick out from the common database what one is
>>> >>> searching. I think we have to find/decide few main macro areas of
>>> >>> contents (max 10?) which are words that together with
>>> date+place+event
>>> >>> where the material has been taken+ kind of material (video, txt,
>>> >>> audio, still image) + language of transaltion, are going to be the
>>> >>> tags for extracting the contents of interest. Each of these elements
>>> >>> are to be catalogued with a specific rule that has to be given, like
>>> >>> to fill in all its parts in a pre ordinated form ( the wsftv one has
>>> >>> to be worked on).
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Thank you for your attention
>>> >>> another world is possible! besos Bettina
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
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