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1. Translations
For the name in arabic is saha alshamila: ساحة الشاملة = means global square
2- Tent to UNHCR : 
Like I tell you  in my previous email the camp must  close soon , there is a
big mobilization against UNHC .

3- Nomad/Babel

I will repeat again At Monastir one of the decision token by  the Maghreb
social forum is the to give an open space to the movement  ( occupy,
indignados,indigné, 20 février, 6 april etc...)  we can talk with them to
have some help for the sound system , lodging . For the space of the
assembly is  Free for all the participant. About Nomad and babel we can
discuss with the local committee to provide that for us for free. All our
group don't have money

4- link to the WSF: our event to be successful, that we should be open to
all discussions. We are not representatives of a platform or a network. We
must expand our event to all groups struggling for dignity. Within the forum
there will be groups that will intérésé by our actions (migration, woman,
youth groups Mashreq and Maghreb etc ....) why must be inside the Forum if
we really have an impact and change things. The forum should be horizontal
and should contribute to global action.

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1. Traduction
Pour le nom en arabec'est saha alshamila: ساحة الشاملة =  global square

2: Tente pour l'UNHCR:
 Comme je vous l'ai dis dans mon message précédent le camp doit bientôt
fermer, il y a une grande mobilisation contre UNHCR.

3: Nomad / Babel
Je me répète à Monastir une décision a été prise par le comité du forum
social Maghrebin  c'est de donner à un espace libre aux différents
mouvements  dont(occupy, indignados, indigné, 20 février, 6 avril, etc ..)
et d'autres mouvements qui le désirent à prendre la place dans le forum,
nous pouvons parler avec eux pour avoir de l'aide pour le système de son,
l'hébergement. 
Pour l'espace de l'assemblée c'est gratuit pour tous les participants. À
propos de Nomad et babel nous pouvons discuter avec le comité local pour
nous avoir la traduction et le systéme de Nomad gratuitement. Nos groupe
n'ont pas d'argent
4:lien avec le FSM:
pour reussir notre événement , il faudrait que nous soyons ouvert à toutes
les discussions . Nous sommes pas des représentants d'une plate forme , ni
d'un réseau . Nous devons élargir notre évenement à tous les groupes qui
luttent pour la dignité . A l'intérieur du forum il y aura des groupes qui
seront intérésé par notre action ( migration, femme, groupes de jeunes du
machrek et du Maghreb etc....) pour ça il faut être à l'intérieur du Forum
si nous voulons vraiment avoir un impact et changer des choses. Le forum
doit être horizontal et doit contribuer à l'action globale.
Bien à vous
hamouda

Le 13-01-08 04:32, « jasper teunissen » <jasperteunissen@...> a
écrit :

>    
>>> http://translate.google.com/
>  
>  Hi all,
>  
>  I have some practical points and questions about the name Global Square.
>  
>  1. Global Square was already used
>  
>  I don't know who proposed this name, but as some of you already know, the
> name Global Square has already been used for a project coming from 15M and
> Occupy movements, to build an online platform for the movement:
> http://roarmag.org/2011/11/the-global-square-an-online-platform-for-our-moveme
> nt/
>  The project seems to be discontinued, but I would like to contact the people
> who have been participating in that project (I know some of them from the
> Squares list and maybe Mikifus who is on this list can tell more about this as
> well). I think it's good to inform them, and -looking at the goals of their
> project- they could be interesting partners to our initiative.
>  
>  2. Domains
>  
>  The domain of theglobalsquare.org has expired, now ironically pointing to
> Global Casino Online
>  globalsquare.net and globalsquare.org = $70 + commission
>  global-square.net and global-square.org = available for normal price (about
> 10 euro per year)
>  These seem the most logical options, but other variations are possible.
>  
>  3. Translations
>  
>  Can someone tell if SehaAlamiya is a correct translation in arabic, and maybe
> others can give correct translations in other languages.
>  
>  grts jasper
>  
>  
>  
>  Op 8-1-2013 9:09, Daniel Seco schreef:
>  
>  
>>    
>>   Well so my proposal would be to leave two more days (today and tomorrow)
>> just in case someone wants to give a reason why now we shouldn't decide to
>> use the name "Global Square".
>>  If none complains about the process or no rejections of this, we should go
>> ahead with this name, right? That's what we have done this all for. Obviously
>> there is a problem with the level of participation, but many people on the
>> list are here just to get informed or to help with something pointwise and
>> decide not to intervene in anything else, I wouldn't ever imagine more than
>> half of the people participating on the debate on the name.
>>   
>>  Apart from that, I would personally like to know the reason to block this
>> name's version in arab (SehaAlamiya). Is it because it is badly translated or
>> it means something else than just GlobalSquare? Was it just a -1 taken too
>> far? Was it a reason also to block GlobalSquare but that person didn't maybe
>> see the two names when voting? Are we against using an arab version of the
>> name in general or against using that particular one?
>>   
>>  
>>  
>>  --- El mar, 8/1/13, jasper teunissen <jasperteunissen@...>
>> <mailto:jasperteunissen@...>  escribió:
>>  
>>  
>>> 
>>>  De: jasper teunissen <jasperteunissen@...>
>>> <mailto:jasperteunissen@...>
>>>  Asunto: [2011movements-fsm discussion] Result of the poll about our name /
>>> Résultat de l'enquête sur notre nom
>>>  Para: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
>>>  Fecha: martes, 8 de enero, 2013 02:08
>>>  
>>>   Hi all, english below
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  FRANCAIS (google translate)
>>>  
>>>  Quelques remarques:
>>>  - 17 personnes ont participé au sondage, ce qui signifie également que
>>> beaucoup n'ont pas participé
>>>  - Tous les blocages (22 au total) provenaient de seulement 2 participants
>>>  - Les résultats complets sont disponibles ici:
>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhOmEGGgOFqCdHRtdGJqa0Y1b0UzZlR
>>> QZVVMWEwyeFE
>>>  - Nous n'avons pas décidé sur la façon de procéder, donc je suppose que
>>> c'est à nous tous maintenant de voir où nous allons
>>>  
>>>  Et le gagnant de notre petit concours est:
>>>  
>>>  GlobalSquare avec un score de +6 sans blocages et sans que personne lui
>>> donnant -1
>>>  
>>>  Suivi par *:
>>>  
>>>  SehaAlamiya (Anglais: GlobalSquare) +4 avec 1 blocage
>>>  IthalElSeha (Anglais: TakeTheSquare) +3 avec 1 blocage
>>>  PeoplesForum +3
>>>  Squares Network +3
>>>  People & Squares Network +2
>>>  Spirit of the square +2
>>>  GlobalUprising +1 avec 1 blocage
>>>  Occupy the WSF +1 avec 1 blocage
>>>  OccupyWSF +1 avec 2 blocages
>>>  OpeningSpaces +1
>>>  Plaza Intergalactica +1
>>>  WSF Peoples Network +1
>>>  
>>>  * = blocages sont considérés -1 ici, juste pour donner une idée
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  ENGLISH
>>>  
>>>  Some notes:
>>>  - 17 people participated in the poll, which also means that many did not
>>> participate
>>>  - all the blockings (22 total) came from only 2 participants
>>>  - the full results are available here:
>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhOmEGGgOFqCdHRtdGJqa0Y1b0UzZlR
>>> QZVVMWEwyeFE
>>>  - we did not decide on how to proceed, so I guess it's up to us all now to
>>> see where we are going
>>>  
>>>  And the winner of our little competition is:
>>>  
>>>  GlobalSquare with a score of +6 without any blockings and without anyone
>>> giving it -1
>>>  
>>>  Followed by*:
>>>  
>>>  SehaAlamiya (transl: GlobalSquare) +4 including 1 blocking
>>>  IthalElSeha (transl: TakeTheSquare) +3 including 1 blocking       
>>>  PeoplesForum +3
>>>  Squares Network +3
>>>  People & Squares Network +2
>>>  Spirit of the square +2
>>>  GlobalUprising +1 including 1 blocking
>>>  Occupy the WSF +1 including 2blockings
>>>  OccupyWSF +1 including 2 blockings
>>>  OpeningSpaces +1
>>>  Plaza Intergalactica +1
>>>  WSF Peoples Network +1
>>>  
>>>  *=blockings are considered -1 here, just to give an idea
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
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Hi,

I think The Global Square is a compatible project. They are creating an
online platform, while here we are creating one on the ground. It is a
perfect combination, a great coincidence.
It wouldn't be crazy to connect the projects if you like the name, by ,
it's part of the same idea.
They'll be happy to have new people and fresh ideas, and they can help in
many many things to this group.

2013/1/8 jasper teunissen <jasperteunissen@...>

>  >> http://translate.google.com/
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have some practical points and questions about the name Global Square.
>
> *1. Global Square was already used*
>
> I don't know who proposed this name, but as some of you already know, the
> name Global Square has already been used for a project coming from 15M and
> Occupy movements, to build an online platform for the movement:
> http://roarmag.org/2011/11/the-global-square-an-online-platform-for-our-movement/
> The project seems to be discontinued, but I would like to contact the
> people who have been participating in that project (I know some of them
> from the Squares list and maybe Mikifus who is on this list can tell more
> about this as well). I think it's good to inform them, and -looking at the
> goals of their project- they could be interesting partners to our
> initiative.
>
> *2. Domains*
>
> The domain of theglobalsquare.org has expired, now ironically pointing to
> Global Casino Online
> globalsquare.net and globalsquare.org = $70 + commission
> global-square.net and global-square.org = available for normal price
> (about 10 euro per year)
> These seem the most logical options, but other variations are possible.
>
> *3. Translations*
>
> Can someone tell if SehaAlamiya is a correct translation in arabic, and
> maybe others can give correct translations in other languages.
>
> grts jasper
>
>
>
> Op 8-1-2013 9:09, Daniel Seco schreef:
>
>   Well so my proposal would be to leave two more days (today and
> tomorrow) just in case someone wants to give a reason why now we shouldn't
> decide to use the name "Global Square".
> If none complains about the process or no rejections of this, we should go
> ahead with this name, right? That's what we have done this all for.
> Obviously there is a problem with the level of participation, but many
> people on the list are here just to get informed or to help with something
> pointwise and decide not to intervene in anything else, I wouldn't
> ever imagine more than half of the people participating on the debate on
> the name.
>
> Apart from that, I would personally like to know the reason to block this
> name's version in arab (SehaAlamiya). Is it because it is badly translated
> or it means something else than just GlobalSquare? Was it just a -1 taken
> too far? Was it a reason also to block GlobalSquare but that person didn't
> maybe see the two names when voting? Are we against using an arab version
> of the name in general or against using that particular one?
>
>
>
> --- El *mar, 8/1/13, jasper teunissen <jasperteunissen@...><jasperteunissen@...>
> * escribió:
>
>
> De: jasper teunissen <jasperteunissen@...><jasperteunissen@...>
> Asunto: [2011movements-fsm discussion] Result of the poll about our name /
> Résultat de l'enquête sur notre nom
> Para: 2011movements-fsm-wsf-discussion@...
> Fecha: martes, 8 de enero, 2013 02:08
>
>  Hi all, english below
>
>
> *FRANCAIS (google translate)**
> *
> Quelques remarques:
> - 17 personnes ont participé au sondage, ce qui signifie également que
> beaucoup n'ont pas participé
> - Tous les blocages (22 au total) provenaient de seulement 2 participants
> - Les résultats complets sont disponibles ici:
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhOmEGGgOFqCdHRtdGJqa0Y1b0UzZlRQZVVMWEwyeFE
> - Nous n'avons pas décidé sur la façon de procéder, donc je suppose que c'est
> à nous tous maintenant de voir où nous allons
>
> Et le gagnant de notre petit concours est:
>
> GlobalSquare avec un score de +6 sans blocages et sans que personne lui
> donnant -1
>
> Suivi par *:
>
> SehaAlamiya (Anglais: GlobalSquare) +4 avec 1 blocage
> IthalElSeha (Anglais: TakeTheSquare) +3 avec 1 blocage
> PeoplesForum +3
> Squares Network +3
> People & Squares Network +2
> Spirit of the square +2
> GlobalUprising +1 avec 1 blocage
> Occupy the WSF +1 avec 1 blocage
> OccupyWSF +1 avec 2 blocages
> OpeningSpaces +1
> Plaza Intergalactica +1
> WSF Peoples Network +1
>
> * = blocages sont considérés -1 ici, juste pour donner une idée
>
>
>
>
> *ENGLISH*
>
> Some notes:
> - 17 people participated in the poll, which also means that many did not
> participate
> - all the blockings (22 total) came from only 2 participants
> - the full results are available here:
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhOmEGGgOFqCdHRtdGJqa0Y1b0UzZlRQZVVMWEwyeFE
> - we did not decide on how to proceed, so I guess it's up to us all now to
> see where we are going
>
> And the winner of our little competition is:
>
> GlobalSquare with a score of +6 without any blockings and without anyone
> giving it -1
>
> Followed by*:
>
> SehaAlamiya (transl: GlobalSquare) +4 including 1 blocking
> IthalElSeha (transl: TakeTheSquare) +3 including 1 blocking
> PeoplesForum +3
> Squares Network +3
> People & Squares Network +2
> Spirit of the square +2
> GlobalUprising +1 including 1 blocking
> Occupy the WSF +1 including 2blockings
> OccupyWSF +1 including 2 blockings
> OpeningSpaces +1
> Plaza Intergalactica +1
> WSF Peoples Network +1
>
> *=blockings are considered -1 here, just to give an idea
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Hi Heather and Khrystian, It is great to hear from you both. I am also
feeling very good about the name Global Square. I think it matches
with the spirit of WSF encounter what we are trying to construct. That
would be great if you could take part in this project and spread the
word in your networks.
If you just check the documentation of the previous meetings briefly
here http://openfsm.net/projects/2011movements-fsm-wsf/2011mvfsm~xa0-index
you will see that the ideas are very similar as well as openness of
the group. Please spread the word to others it would be really good if
you or other comrades who are building up the TGS would come to Tunis
or we could link online and offline TGSs.




On 10 January 2013 12:33, Khrystian Lehmann <khrystianlehmann@...> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I have been busy with some projects with our new platform Autonomous Madrid. Iam trying to follow every email,  but i got to say, just following this list has been quite a thing this past week. I must give my congratulations and thanks to those of you who are deeply involved in the many processes this wsf  is creating. Thanks for the info you are sending almost every day.
>
> Regarding the name, its not my favorite choice, but i dont block it or anything of the sort. Global Square it is.
>
> Best regards to all,
>
> Khrystian Lehmann
> Activist, Thinker and Reporter
> @AutonomousM & @BdSinceridad
>
> El 08/01/2013, a las 20:25, Heather Marsh <ttscanada@...> escribió:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Thanks for the message regarding 'The Global Square' name on the Squares
>> mailing list. It would be an honour for us to have you use the same name, we
>> are of course the same people.
>>
>> The name the Global Square is a reference to the Take the Square movement
>> which all of us in TGS were involved with. That is of course also known as
>> 15M, Indignad*s, etc. We were also rooted in Wikileaks Central which is a
>> friend and root of Occupy, Anonymous, Day of Rages, Hope Riders, Jasmine
>> Revolution, etc. So The Global Square is all of us, if your group has the same
>> openness and desire to collaborate globally you of course use it with our
>> blessing.
>>
>> Regarding the TGS project, you will be associated with our previous and
>> ongoing work so you may want to know what that is. At heart, TGS is an idea
>> for a system of mass collaboration, so a methodology and tools that would
>> enable that. The project is not dead, but the documentation atm is incomplete.
>>
>> The core principles behind the methodology are here, and they are half written
>> (sorry, time is very stretched, it will be finished soon).
>> http://georgiebc.wordpress.com/category/collaboration/
>>
>> The tools are p2p livestreaming and microblogging tools developed in
>> conjunction with the Tribler project which are beginning to be available here
>> (just as a basic livestreaming/filesharing tool, social media functionality to
>> be added later):
>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=TUDelft:+Delft+University+of+Technology
>>
>> The technology underneath developing these tools as a p2p project is
>> completely new, we have been working with IETF to develop a new standard for
>> p2p microblogging and writing and testing the protocols the system will run on
>> over the past year. We are now at the point of producing working apps for the
>> end user and progress will be much more visible from this point.
>>
>> Because our working method was stigmergy and there was no real ownership of
>> the project, there were sites all over the place for it, most of which have
>> been abandoned. I worked to set up many of those, but I only control one
>> Twitter account, @globalsq which I use for tech updates when we have them but
>> which I can also use to amplify your activities if you wish. There are many
>> other accounts that I do not know who controls, such as the Facebook page,
>> @globalsquare twitter, etc.
>>
>> I am also trying to get a handle on what ideas you wish to associate with the
>> name. Is this a group going to Tunisia? Are you a part of WSF or a counter
>> group or? Just catching up with everything you are doing here, I would
>> appreciate anything you can point me to to help me understand the group. I
>> will keep more up to date here from this point if anyone wishes to get in
>> touch.
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Heather Marsh
>>
>> @GeorgieBC on Twitter
>>
>>
>> On Jan 08, 2013 01:11 AM, jasper teunissen wrote:
>>> Hi all, english below
>>>
>>>
>>> *FRANCAIS (google translate)**
>>> *
>>> Quelques remarques:
>>> - 17 personnes ont participé au sondage, ce qui signifie également que
>>> beaucoup n'ont pas participé
>>> - Tous les blocages (22 au total) provenaient de seulement 2 participants
>>> - Les résultats complets sont disponibles ici:
>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key
>> hOmEGGgOFqCdHRtdGJqa0Y1b0UzZlRQZVVMWEwyeFE
>>> - Nous n'avons pas décidé sur la façon de procéder, donc je suppose que
>>> c'est à nous tous maintenant de voir où nous allons
>>>
>>> Et le gagnant de notre petit concours est:
>>>
>>> GlobalSquare avec un score de +6 sans blocages et sans que personne lui
>>> donnant -1
>>>
>>> Suivi par *:
>>>
>>> SehaAlamiya (Anglais: GlobalSquare) +4 avec 1 blocage
>>> IthalElSeha (Anglais: TakeTheSquare) +3 avec 1 blocage
>>> PeoplesForum +3
>>> Squares Network +3
>>> People & Squares Network +2
>>> Spirit of the square +2
>>> GlobalUprising +1 avec 1 blocage
>>> Occupy the WSF +1 avec 1 blocage
>>> OccupyWSF +1 avec 2 blocages
>>> OpeningSpaces +1
>>> Plaza Intergalactica +1
>>> WSF Peoples Network +1
>>>
>>> * >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *ENGLISH*
>>>
>>> Some notes:
>>> - 17 people participated in the poll, which also means that many did not
>>> participate
>>> - all the blockings (22 total) came from only 2 participants
>>> - the full results are available here:
>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key
>> hOmEGGgOFqCdHRtdGJqa0Y1b0UzZlRQZVVMWEwyeFE
>>> - we did not decide on how to proceed, so I guess it's up to us all now
>>> to see where we are going
>>>
>>> And the winner of our little competition is:
>>>
>>> GlobalSquare with a score of +6 without any blockings and without anyone
>>> giving it -1
>>>
>>> Followed by*:
>>>
>>> SehaAlamiya (transl: GlobalSquare) +4 including 1 blocking
>>> IthalElSeha (transl: TakeTheSquare) +3 including 1 blocking
>>> PeoplesForum +3
>>> Squares Network +3
>>> People & Squares Network +2
>>> Spirit of the square +2
>>> GlobalUprising +1 including 1 blocking
>>> Occupy the WSF +1 including 2blockings
>>> OccupyWSF +1 including 2 blockings
>>> OpeningSpaces +1
>>> Plaza Intergalactica +1
>>> WSF Peoples Network +1
>>>
>>> *=blockings are considered -1 here, just to give an idea
>>
>>
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