• 2011movements-fsm discussion

  • About the list

    from Bernardo Gutiérrez on Mar 13, 2013 03:41 PM
    Hello you all
    
    Dear Shawn, I think that for speaking just about Tunis, there are many list
    just for that. If you see the tittle of this list is *2011Movements-FSM*. I
    don´t know if you are from the beginning of the list, but It was originally
    *15M-FSM*. It was created to connect. And to link new networked movements
    with old FSM. In fact, more to force FSM to listen what is happening today
    worldwide than the contrary. So, and I think that Pierre would agree, it is
    important to share big processes that are going on. FSM should listen and
    even participate in some of them.
    
    #P2PWikisprint is not an action day. It is a big, huge, distributed process
    that is gonna create a new way. Just take a look in the hashtag and see who
    is inside, and you will see that it would an important common path for the
    next months-even-years. So, FSM has to listen 2011 movements (and more
    movements, because there are new forks and things happenings) in its
    events, formats and conference. Ok, it is ok to receive somehow networked
    new movements in Tunis. But it is not enough. In fact, I participate from
    Brazil in FSM almost from the beginning. And today, FSM is almost
    invisible. It is not a influent agent, it is not so relevant as it was...
    And that is a problem.
    
    We are trying to create neutral a new spaces for talking. So, Tunis is not
    the only agora. If FSM does not talk out of its events and meetings, it
    will die. FSM has to learn to discuss in other places, ways, networks,
    agoras. #P2PWikisprint is one of them FSM should participate and would be
    great. The door is open. Is is becoming a distributed P2P event-process
    with a really strong communication-action vibe. We will have a non stop
    Hang Out (12 hours) with a king of 80-100 guests from 23 countries. May be
    Pierre would like to participate. Shawn, you can be our guest to, even for
    talking about this process Tunis
    
    Here the only text in english that we have today
    
    http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/p2pwikisprint-southern-europe-and-latin-america-united-by-the-p2p/2013/03/06
    
    Best
    Bernardo
    
    
    
    2013/3/13 Mikifus <mikifus@...>
    
    > +1 Shawn, for other kind of information please use Squares or Transcollab:
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    >
    >
    > 2013/3/12 Shawn Carrié <shawn@...>
    >
    >> I'm sorry to have to say this, but I can already see this list becoming
    >> just another one of those lists where everything about days of action gets
    >> forwarded to the list, and it's making it difficult to dig through to find
    >> the important information that pertains to actually planning the assemblies
    >> in Tunis.
    >>
    >> Can I politely that ask people to refrain from posting things that are
    >> unrelated to Tunis and the World Social Forum, to maintain clarity on this
    >> list? As we are all obviously very internationally-consious people, I'm
    >> sure we're all on those listservs already.
    >>
    >> Thank you! Looking forward to working with you all more!
    >>
    >> ⨳
    >> Shawn Carrié
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  • Re: About the list

    from Orsan Senalp on Mar 13, 2013 09:18 PM
    In general I would agree with your warning Shawn but this might be a
    special case. But it might be good Bernardo if you engge in the level
    of discussion here. Since now it serves to prepare collective
    activites in tunis, the orgniasational issues, and situation in tunis
    so on. That would bve great if you are coming to Tunis or some how
    (some one from your network) engage this process, can also be online.
    You could tell us more about the p2pwikisprint or p2p economy movement
    or what is happening. Our next call will be this sunday. This is the
    website where you could find all the information easily!
    www.global-square.net  looking for your p2p collaboration!
    best
    
    
    On 13 March 2013 16:36, Bernardo Gutiérrez <bernardobrasil@...> wrote:
    > Hello you all
    >
    > Dear Shawn, I think that for speaking just about Tunis, there are many list
    > just for that. If you see the tittle of this list is 2011Movements-FSM. I
    > don´t know if you are from the beginning of the list, but It was originally
    > 15M-FSM. It was created to connect. And to link new networked movements with
    > old FSM. In fact, more to force FSM to listen what is happening today
    > worldwide than the contrary. So, and I think that Pierre would agree, it is
    > important to share big processes that are going on. FSM should listen and
    > even participate in some of them.
    >
    > #P2PWikisprint is not an action day. It is a big, huge, distributed process
    > that is gonna create a new way. Just take a look in the hashtag and see who
    > is inside, and you will see that it would an important common path for the
    > next months-even-years. So, FSM has to listen 2011 movements (and more
    > movements, because there are new forks and things happenings) in its events,
    > formats and conference. Ok, it is ok to receive somehow networked new
    > movements in Tunis. But it is not enough. In fact, I participate from Brazil
    > in FSM almost from the beginning. And today, FSM is almost invisible. It is
    > not a influent agent, it is not so relevant as it was... And that is a
    > problem.
    >
    > We are trying to create neutral a new spaces for talking. So, Tunis is not
    > the only agora. If FSM does not talk out of its events and meetings, it will
    > die. FSM has to learn to discuss in other places, ways, networks, agoras.
    > #P2PWikisprint is one of them FSM should participate and would be great. The
    > door is open. Is is becoming a distributed P2P event-process with a really
    > strong communication-action vibe. We will have a non stop Hang Out (12
    > hours) with a king of 80-100 guests from 23 countries. May be Pierre would
    > like to participate. Shawn, you can be our guest to, even for talking about
    > this process Tunis
    >
    > Here the only text in english that we have today
    >
    > http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/p2pwikisprint-southern-europe-and-latin-america-united-by-the-p2p/2013/03/06
    >
    > Best
    > Bernardo
    >
    >
    >
    > 2013/3/13 Mikifus <mikifus@...>
    >>
    >> +1 Shawn, for other kind of information please use Squares or Transcollab:
    >> http://lists.takethesquare.net/mailman/admindb/squares
    >>
    >>
    >> 2013/3/12 Shawn Carrié <shawn@...>
    >>>
    >>> I'm sorry to have to say this, but I can already see this list becoming
    >>> just another one of those lists where everything about days of action gets
    >>> forwarded to the list, and it's making it difficult to dig through to find
    >>> the important information that pertains to actually planning the assemblies
    >>> in Tunis.
    >>>
    >>> Can I politely that ask people to refrain from posting things that are
    >>> unrelated to Tunis and the World Social Forum, to maintain clarity on this
    >>> list? As we are all obviously very internationally-consious people, I'm sure
    >>> we're all on those listservs already.
    >>>
    >>> Thank you! Looking forward to working with you all more!
    >>>
    >>> ⨳
    >>> Shawn Carrié
    >>> occupywallst.org  |  t  |   fb  |  g+  |  t  |  yt  |  li  |  R  |
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
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