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RE: Re: work to be done working group 2

from "Francine Mestrum" on May 12, 2013 04:41 PM
Dear Sergio,

 

Dear friends,

 

Thank you very much Sergio for this first proposal. Reading it, and
re-reading it, I understand how difficult it must have been.

And I realize how problematic it is to organize a consultation on
'organizing' before we have clear ideas on what a possible IC will be for,
what it will have to do .

So I wonder if we should not try, first of all, to get some clarity about
that, though again, this is not easy. Maybe we can introduce a first
question, multiple choice, on that. I think the answer to that question
could be clarifying for all the other questions you have mentioned.

 

There are a couple of questions where I think it might be good to give some
explanation on what the choice implies.

For example, I fully agree with the consultation as an 'open space' , though
we should be aware of the risks. IC members with their experience of the
past years, will react differently from non-members. We all want, I guess,
to have an 'ideal' IC, though I also think we have to be very pragmatic, at
least this is what my IC experience learns me. So maybe, in the examination
of the results, we might make a difference between 'IC members' and 'non
members', otherwise we might get a biased view.

 

The question on 'coordination and management' is another example of where
some explanation might be useful. Personally, I think this is not possible
with a meeting of 200 people. If past experience has taught us anything, I
think it is that you need some kind of 'leadership', and by that I mean one
or a couple of persons who take initiatives, not 'leading' in the proper
way, just decide on agendas and procedures; and on the other hand you need
some continuity in order to remain coherent. The 'open space' is an
attractive idea, but a constantly changing participation may not allow for
this continuity and coherence. The 'open space' or the 'horizontality' does
allow for hidden power games, and I think we should try to avoid that. Some
structure, or explicit responsibilities might help.

 

Maybe we can also make a mix of 'open meetings' and 'closed meetings': as we
did in the past and also our last meeting in Tunis: only members get the
floor. 

 

As for the number of members: I would introduce the choice for '50'

 

The question on the matrix: 1) and 2) are not clear to me. What is meant?

 

Finally: does the IC have to be representative?

 

Sorry for the length of my answer, I think this is a very important task we
have.

 

Maybe a hint, for Sergio: try to think of whether you would want this or
that rule also for your trade union?

 

I think the point of the 'mandate' of the IC is the most important. We
should either introduce a multiple choicer question on it, or have a
separate discussion on it.

 

These are my first reactions. Once again, many thanks for the important and
delicate work.

 

Francine

Van: Sergio Bassoli [mailto:s.bassoli@...] 
Verzonden: 11 May 2013 19:07
Aan: cifutur-consultations@...
CC: Francine Mestrum
Onderwerp: Re: [G2 - CI futur Consult Carto Eval Strategy Synth] Re: work to
be done working group 2

 

Dear all

as we promise, we are sending you a first input for opening our debate
looking for a shared instrument targeted to the consultation process. 

We remain awaiting for your feedback for making all emendaments and changes
till finding a common point of view.

All the best
Sergio   




Il 06/05/2013 15:15, Francine Mestrum ha scritto:

Perfect! Thanks.

Fr

 

Van: Raffaella Bolini [mailto:bolini@...] 
Verzonden: 06 May 2013 15:12
Aan: Francine Mestrum
CC: cifutur-consultations@...
Onderwerp: [G2 - CI futur Consult Carto Eval Strategy Synth] Re: work to be
done working group 2

 

Dear Francine, dear all,

 

I confirm Sergio, on behalf of us, will send you a first preliminary draft
to open the debate on Saturday.

Kisses

raffaella

 

Il giorno 02/mag/2013, alle ore 18:06, Raffaella Bolini ha scritto:

 

Dear Francine, dear all,

 

we will send in few days some lines to start the discussion.

 

We ask you to wait a little bit, because Sergio Bassoli, which is
coordinating for us this work, now is sick -nothing bad, but he have to rest
a little bit. Then, he will send a first idea.

Ok?

 

Kisses

raffaella 

 

Il giorno 02/mag/2013, alle ore 14:31, Francine Mestrum ha scritto:






Dear friends,

 

One month after our IC meeting in Tunis, we now have a mailing list for our
exchanges, and Laura has sent us the necessary information about membership
and participation in IC meetings. Thank you veery much Pierre and Laura.

It means we can now start the important work we have to do.

The most urgent thing seems to me to prepare the consultation of IC members,
a decision which was originated by a proposal of the Italians.

So I wonder if our Italian friends have a concrete suggestion to make for
organizing this consultation? Or we do have to start from scratch?

 

Hoping to hear from you soon, and looking forward to working together,

 

Francine

 

 



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