Dear Francine
yes I not an easy task but we have to take it on bord.
I tried to interact with your questions, delivering some explanations 
and some comments. I hope the debate will start.
  Best regards.
Sergio

ps: my answers in red.



Il 12/05/2013 18:34, Francine Mestrum ha scritto:
>
> Dear Sergio,
>
> Dear friends,
>
> Thank you very much Sergio for this first proposal. Reading it, and 
> re-reading it, I understand how difficult it must have been.
>
> And I realize how problematic it is to organize a consultation on 
> 'organizing' before we have clear ideas on what a possible IC will be 
> for, what it will have to do ...
>
> So I wonder if we should not try, first of all, to get some clarity 
> about that, though again, this is not easy. Maybe we can introduce a 
> first question, multiple choice, on that. I think the answer to that 
> question could be clarifying for all the other questions you have 
> mentioned.
>
According our proposal the question of: Mission and Functions, has to be 
a risult of the consultation process.
>
> There are a couple of questions where I think it might be good to give 
> some explanation on what the choice implies.
>
> For example, I fully agree with the consultation as an 'open space' , 
> though we should be aware of the risks. IC members with their 
> experience of the past years, will react differently from non-members. 
> We all want, I guess, to have an 'ideal' IC, though I also think we 
> have to be very pragmatic, at least this is what my IC experience 
> learns me. So maybe, in the examination of the results, we might make 
> a difference between 'IC members' and 'non members', otherwise we 
> might get a biased view.
>
Yes, I agree, in the analysis of the results it's important to divide 
for the different type of organizations.
>
> The question on 'coordination and management' is another example of 
> where some explanation might be useful. Personally, I think this is 
> not possible with a meeting of 200 people. If past experience has 
> taught us anything, I think it is that you need some kind of 
> 'leadership', and by that I mean one or a couple of persons who take 
> initiatives, not 'leading' in the proper way, just decide on agendas 
> and procedures; and on the other hand you need some continuity in 
> order to remain coherent. The 'open space' is an attractive idea, but 
> a constantly changing participation may not allow for this continuity 
> and coherence. The 'open space' or the 'horizontality' does allow for 
> hidden power games, and I think we should try to avoid that. Some 
> structure, or explicit responsibilities might help.
>
Yes, I agree. Open consultation for a defined body !!!  There are 
different solutions: if we decided for a large IC may be we need a 
Secretariat or Executive body. If we decide for a suitable IC (50-100) 
may be it's enouth to work with Commissions and 1-2 persons from the 
Commissions can become a restricted coordination body, etc. etc.  But, 
again, this discussion have to be realized after the consultation process.
>
> Maybe we can also make a mix of 'open meetings' and 'closed meetings': 
> as we  did in the past and also our last meeting in Tunis: only 
> members get the floor.
>
Yes, it's an open question.
>
> As for the number of members: I would introduce the choice for '50'
>
Yes. Done.
>
> The question on the matrix: 1) and 2) are not clear to me. What is meant?
>
>
Matrix 1: is the questionaire
Matrix 2: is the box related to the second question on 
"representativeness"; each organization can define own criteria of 
representativeness; defining criteria/labels and defining the wheight (1 
- 5)

> Finally: does the IC have to be representative?
>
That is the question, the consultation process will give us the answer.
>
> Sorry for the length of my answer, I think this is a very important 
> task we have.
>
> Maybe a hint, for Sergio: try to think of whether you would want this 
> or that rule also for your trade union?
>
May be we can make some test for verifying the validity of the 
Questionaire !!  Ishould be the first.
>
> I think the point of the 'mandate' of the IC is the most important. We 
> should either introduce a multiple choicer question on it, or have a 
> separate discussion on it.
>
> These are my first reactions. Once again, many thanks for the 
> important and delicate work.
>
> Francine
>
> *Van:*Sergio Bassoli [mailto:s.bassoli@...]
> *Verzonden:* 11 May 2013 19:07
> *Aan:* cifutur-consultations@...
> *CC:* Francine Mestrum
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [G2 - CI futur Consult Carto Eval Strategy Synth] Re: 
> work to be done working group 2
>
> Dear all
>
> as we promise, we are sending you a first input for opening our debate 
> looking for a shared instrument targeted to the consultation process.
>
> We remain awaiting for your feedback for making all emendaments and 
> changes till finding a common point of view.
>
> All the best
> Sergio
>
>
>
>
> Il 06/05/2013 15:15, Francine Mestrum ha scritto:
>
>     Perfect! Thanks.
>
>     Fr
>
>     *Van:*Raffaella Bolini [mailto:bolini@...]
>     *Verzonden:* 06 May 2013 15:12
>     *Aan:* Francine Mestrum
>     *CC:* cifutur-consultations@...
>     <mailto:cifutur-consultations@...>
>     *Onderwerp:* [G2 - CI futur Consult Carto Eval Strategy Synth] Re:
>     work to be done working group 2
>
>     Dear Francine, dear all,
>
>     I confirm Sergio, on behalf of us, will send you a first
>     preliminary draft to open the debate on Saturday.
>
>     Kisses
>
>     raffaella
>
>     Il giorno 02/mag/2013, alle ore 18:06, Raffaella Bolini ha scritto:
>
>     Dear Francine, dear all,
>
>     we will send in few days some lines to start the discussion.
>
>     We ask you to wait a little bit, because Sergio Bassoli, which is
>     coordinating for us this work, now is sick -nothing bad, but he
>     have to rest a little bit. Then, he will send a first idea.
>
>     Ok?
>
>     Kisses
>
>     raffaella
>
>     Il giorno 02/mag/2013, alle ore 14:31, Francine Mestrum ha scritto:
>
>
>
>
>     Dear friends,
>
>     One month after our IC meeting in Tunis, we now have a mailing
>     list for our exchanges, and Laura has sent us the necessary
>     information about membership and participation in IC meetings.
>     Thank you veery much Pierre and Laura.
>
>     It means we can now start the important work we have to do.
>
>     The most urgent thing seems to me to prepare the consultation of
>     IC members, a decision which was originated by a proposal of the
>     Italians.
>
>     So I wonder if our Italian friends have a concrete suggestion to
>     make for organizing this consultation? Or we do have to start from
>     scratch?
>
>     Hoping to hear from you soon, and looking forward to working together,
>
>     Francine
>
>
>
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