Rita, Dan, Pierre, Alessandra,

tahnk you very much this contributions, very useful to to deepen the
conversation a great deal and extend the scope of our work.

so i guess the "agenda" (although really i wasn't thinking about it as an
agenda but as a reflection of what people had been rasing in the previous
emails) seems to be growing by few more items. First of all a premise that i
do share to the utmost extent and that i wish people could comment upon:

We (some of us) seem to recognise that:

Dan: "the format of the IC meeting (it's 'internal communication') (...) not
only suffers from and reinforces the same methodological challenges. It also
generates a political culture of untransparency, inhibition, tension and
apparent superficiality. To its credit, ComCom had the courage to face this
and the 'coordinators' of ComCom chaired a 15 minute 'dialogic' experiment
within an IC plenary on the WSF 2010 Process which momentarily transformed
its culture and made possible a participatory political dialogue between
networks, NGOs, countries and alternatives."

This sets for the commission an extremely ambitious task to discuss as Jason
put it in his intervention in the plenary not only "Informationi" but
"Communication" in its most profound meaning which involves also the
methodology of the IC interaction and that during the event. A methodology
(Salete calls very rightly a "pedagogy") that is at the centre of the
visionary values of the WSF. In this sense let me add that Pierre had very
rightly mentioned the intention of the commission to engage in a common work
with the methodology commission. If that still holds and we share that
desire, that can be a proposal for the methodology commission and for the IC
for next meeting (with perhaps some previous virtual contacts with them).

Now having set the ground in this way this opens up to what Rita suggests.
Exploring:

1. the role of the Com Com (as political space of IC)

Now something else can help us with starting reflecting on this as...

2. ...Alessandra has posted all the links to all the relevant documents to
discuss the funding. That can also constitute the fundamental ground on
which to start our work (to avoid reinventing the wheel or to create
contradictions). Ideally an edited collection of those documents would be
very useful as a ground document for us and for all those who will join the
commission later.

Portuguese -
http://www.forumsocialmundial.org.br/main.php?id_menu=3_2_2&cd_language=1
English -
http://www.forumsocialmundial.org.br/main.php?id_menu=3_2_2&cd_language=2
French -
http://www.forumsocialmundial.org.br/main.php?id_menu=3_2_2&cd_language=3
Castellano -
http://www.forumsocialmundial.org.br/main.php?id_menu=3_2_2&cd_language=4

Also this is useful: Rita: The criteria to ask IC sources that we started
talking in Montreal could be usefull to start this point


2. In Montreal Salete made a fantastically articulated and concise at the
same time recount of the whole history of the group since day 1 in 2001. As
i said then that history could constitute another base documents for this
group. Moreover Pierre writes in his email that he finds crucial that all
share a common ground to understand the past dynamics of the commission in
order "to understand better the issues and problematics about having a
"working + policy defining" communication commission , focused on
facilitating communication processes inside WSF process. This is part of the
ground setting experiment and i wonder if this perhaps is what Salete has
done for those who were present in Montreal while telling us the story of
the Commission. If anything is missing these documents can indeed be very
helpful. Some edited collection of those could be welcome. Also and this
seems to me refers to point one the "working + policy defining" nature of
the commission would be part of point one of the agenda, what Rita
suggested, about defining nature and role of the commission.

More on the list of things to do:

3. The report from Montreal. how about we generate an edited colelction of
our own reports to follow up to the successful methodology we used in
Montreal to report. We try to collect 2 or 3 paragraphs from everyone on the
aspect they found more crucial and then we collate all together.

4. Present the open working groups those are already started as part of the
strategic for a permanent dinamic of the commission - the role they are
supposed to play (parcially presented in Montreal). Some groups are not
working yet because there are no people to do it.

5. Present the actions/projects theese groups sugests, pointing the
activities we should do, what kind of help/support/voluntary efforts we need
to do it, with and without sources from IC (not presented yet).

Four and Five need some background. the famous preliminary plan we discussed
in Montreal should be made available here both for discussion and for
recruitment purposes of course once it will be approved and circulated to
the IC. Plus all plans who could as Rita says be part of the Com-Comm but
not of the funding exercise and, i say, be aprt of the open galaxy of
communication (in this case information it seems) activities revolving
around the com-com.

Also this becomes crucial here as a leading question:
Rita: Budget for what. How IC can improve the plan by fundrasing

6. On the communication of the communication commission:
Rita: We have booked weeckly chats every wednesday. There is also this
mailing list. And we insert initial projects inside some openfsm pages

7. As far as the deadline for the presentation of a plan to the IC is
concerned: it seems that we might need a little longer? would the 10th of
november work for everyone?

Ok very sorry for the long email but it seems there is a lot of enthusiasm
on this process, which is of course heartening indeed

Ciao
Giuseppe




2009/10/16 dan baron <danbaronmst@...>

>  Hi all
>
> Greetings from Belem. I am accompanying this important discussion, though I
> am in the final phase of preparation of a Latin American Summit and a World
> Summit to develop a new paradigm of education, and will have little time to
> participate until November 10th.
>
> I participated in the Montreal meetings of ComCom and recognise the
> methodological challenges of working simultaneously in an 'open space' forum
> and maintaining continuity/implementing IC decisions. Despite
> important critical reflection about the WSF (which surfaced in all
> Commissions' discussions and dominated our's), and about ComCom's
> communication politics, our meetings did not resolve the methodological
> challenge. However, the discussion about the format of the IC meeting (it's
> 'internal communication') was essential, for the format not only suffers
> from and reinforces the same methodological challenges. It also generates a
> political culture of untransparency, inhibition, tension and apparent
> superficiality. To its credit, ComCom had the courage to face this and
> the 'coordinators' of ComCom chaired a 15 minute 'dialogic' experiment
> within an IC plenary on the WSF 2010 Process which momentarily transformed
> its culture and made possible a participatory political dialogue between
> networks, NGOs, countries and alternatives.
>
> I do not offer this as a report (and I support the suggestion to build a
> consensual report on the ComCom meetings), but as a perspective and reason
> to propose an additional item to Giuseppe's agenda, below. We need to
> discuss ComCom's structure and methodology, as a priority. This should also
> be a priority in the IC, as both profoundly affect the dominant methodology
> and impacts of the WSF process. The challenges I mention above imply the
> need for transparent coordination and decision-making, a mechanism for
> integrating new people/networks, and a confident understanding of the
> relationship between organization and 'open-space'. Without this, few people
> will participate actively, and those who do will suffer growing frustration,
> not least, because they cannot do all the work that needs to be done and
> know that the process is not meaningfully collective or inclusive. With this
> issue resolved, even for an experimental period, we will move faster, with
> more depth and innovation, and we will ensure that any critical reflection
> opens and closes our virtual or 'presential' meetings, and is not stimulated
> or dominated by them.
>
> I have proposals to offer about this, but will wait first to hear if this
> reflection is accepted as the basis of building an agreement on ComCom's
> 'structure of organization and methodology'.
>
> Thanks for reading this in English. I can translate into portuguese at
> another time.
>
> In solidarity
> Dan
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:44:45 +0300
> Subject: Re: [Communication commission discussion] Re: on mandate to
> fundraise - Re: [Communication commission discussion] recordings of ic
> meeting audio
> From: giu.caruso@...
> To: communication-commission-discussion@...
>
> Dear All, from the conversation so far in this list the following issues
> seem to have been raised
>
> 1. it would be useful to circulate a report about the meetings of the
> com-com in Montreal (all of them, not only the final reports in the plenary)
>
> 2. There is the need to clarify the nature of the fundraising and reflect
> on the implication that it has on the actual work plan and the role of the
> group
>
> 3. There is the need to share the proposed plans for collective revision
>
> 4. I would add that I would like to know what kind of regular meetings are
> taking place of which not all members might have knowledge of (chats, skypes
> etc.)
>
> 5. finally it would be useful to establish a relatively short deadline for
> the presentation to the IC of the com plan as we promised during the report
> to the plenary (i have the impression that failing to do that could severely
> compromise the reputation of the group, but maybe that's just my reading of
> it)
>
> is there anything else missing in this list?
>
> So my proposals point by point
>
> 1. On the reports: all those who were there have notes or can quickly makes
> notes of those meetings, if we agree we can circulate them here for those
> who were not present (we had a meeting in the morning of the third day of
> the IC, one at night that day, one dinner meeting the following day and some
> had a final meeting on saturday night)
>
> 2. On fundraising could we have some more information from perhaps others
> so that we can have enough deliberation on what alessandra and roberto were
> discussing?
>
> 3. Pierre, Jason? could you please share with us whatever preliminary draft
> you guys have prepared that we were supposed to discussed and we did not
> have the chance to, so that we can do so now in this list?
>
> 4. Whoever knows about what regular meetings are scheduled and what agendas
> those meetings have etc.?
>
> 5. As for the deadline i suggest the last day of the month, in two weeks to
> come up with a consensual plan to offer the IC for perusal
>
> Ok this is what i have in mind. Suggestions? Ideas?
>
> Ciao
> giuseppe
>
>
> 2009/10/16 Roberto Savio <utopie@...>
>
> Alessandra, let me beg to disagree. In Parma we had a mandate for one year,
> and then , in the following IC I did present a request for confirming that
> mandate, and through the general indifference that was given...I still have
> my report with me.....if we had minutes it would be there....but we just
> read our reports, there is no place to deposit them....
> that said I am delinquent of not being able to accompany the work of the
> commission, because of my other  engagement with the World Political Forum,
> so I shut up.
> hugs roberto
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 23.12 15/10/2009, Alessandra Ceregatti wrote:
>
> Hello, all,
>
> 1. I also would like to hear a summary of meeting held on the night of 8th;
> or, if you think the meeting has not advanced very much, I can send them my
> comments and suggestions to the plan
>
> 2. About the mandate of the Communication Commission, Savio, I have one
> correction: the mandate was given to elaborate the plan, fundraise and
> implement it for 2008 mobilization process as stated in the IC report of the
> Nairobi IC meeting in January 2007, but not for forever. That decision was
> made at the final of the meeting and some people consensus was not so clear
> on that.
>
> Anyway, due to the concerns raised on the Montreal meeting of the
> Communication Commission it is really important that a summary report of the
> incomes, expenses of the resources raised by the Com-com be presented to the
> commission itself and to the IC (even if it is a preliminary version since I
> understood that the project will only be finished by October).
>
> cheers,
>
> alessandra
>
> 2009/10/15 Roberto Savio <utopie@...>
>  well,I heard the recording of the commission. Without a chair variegated
> and committed people tend to discuss about their perception and priorities,
> and while the debate has very interesting moments, it was not conducive to
> present a report to the plenary. And yet there were lot of documents and a
> power point...
>  I think Giuseppe request is a very reasonable one, and i hope the
> Commission will be able to integrate the various proposal into an organic
> plan.
> My I remind everybody that the commission has received a mandate to do its
> own fundraising and administering the plan.
> Of course, to report to the plenary would have been better, both in terms
> of good governance and interaction with the Council( even if it is hard to
> discern any noticeable effect, after so many years of ignored reporting to
> the plenary). But as this did not happen, now let us go, adopt a plan, and
> fund rise and implement it.
>  wishes, roberto savio
>
>
>
>
>
> At 09.21 15/10/2009, you wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> (Desafortunadamente mi castellano es demasiado pobre para mi escribir aca
> en los dos idiomas, espero que esto no sea un problema muy grande)
>
> first of all thank you Z for this contribution. I wish to remind the group
> taking this opportunity that we had promised Amit and the whole IC that a
> communication plan would be delivered to the IC soon after the IC and in
> very short time indeed. Due to some strange misunderstanding we did not end
> up having a final meeting after the presentation of the USSF, but some of us
> did if i undersatnd correctly.
>
> Now, i beleive it would be useful for those who met to tell us, all of us
> involved in the group, what came out of that meeting so that we can pull all
> our creative resources together and produce a consensus plan to be delivered
> to the IC as we promised.
>
> Looking forward to hearing from you all guys and to keep working with you
> Ciao
> giuseppe
>
>
>
> 2009/10/14 Zoul <zoul@...> where you can download and listen the
> content of the debates of the afternoon of the 8th of october in Montréal :
> http://zoulstory.outrenet.com/conferences/fsm/ci/oct-09-montreal/ you can
> also read a "coup de gueule" that i wrote after this day... (in french) Good
> luck Zoul
>
>
>  *[Zoulstory.com] Et si on arrêtait d’avoir peur ? Le Forum Social Mondial
> dans des beaux draps…*
>
>
> Cette année, à Montréal, pour préparer ses 10 ans, le forum social s’est
> mis dans de beaux draps, au sens propre, comme au figuré. Est-ce la peur qui
> a dirigé ces mauvais choix ? Ou bien est-ce cela que nous entendons par « Un
> autre monde est possible » qu’on ne cesse de répéter, tel un mantra, pour ne
> plus avoir à travailler pour le construire ? Peut-être avons-nous simplement
> cessé d’y croire ? Sommes-nous satisfaits du salaire de nos peines ?
>
>
> http://www.zoulstory.com/blog/?2009/10/10/366--zoulstorycom-et-si-on-arretait-davoir-peur-le-forum-social-mondial-dans-des-beaux-draps
>
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