• Memory&Documentation WG

  • process

    from bettina on Jul 31, 2009 07:52 PM
    dear all memory wg,
    
    since i will not attend the next chat this group have scheduled,
    il will here write my considerations, (which actually in part i have already
    wrote to the group) about the projects and the process behind.
    
    over all, it seems to me that  in terms of process, we have to be more
    carefull.
    
    i think we all need to understand what do we want to accomplish, and how.
    perhaps we must question what we mean when we speak about wsf memory. I have
    suggested to read the document norma has recently send to us, but have seen
    no reply  to this suggestion as almost none to other ones. aren't wg also
    discussion groups or not?
    also, making a collective project  has to go through a collective work,
    discussing and coming to a common product that is agreeable to all. It seems
    to me there may be the need to share thoughts and practice before coming out
    with proposals that seem to  me a little "out of target" and perhaps not
    exctly matching the objectives of a  wsf memory,  a collaborative project
    should be reviewed and discussed by all who are involved. It should be a
    work of a group, not in a group!
    
    I think it may be a good idea for all of us  discussing norma's document as
    one point of the agenda, and another might be  the budget form, this way we
    may come to analize and summarize things and come to a common idea;
    
    attached i send a budget draft proposal for memory group discussion... it
    can be  a starting point also.
    
    another effort we should all do regards lanquage; many write in mother
    tongue and make no effort to translate for those who don't understand... you
    know, i also could write only in italian and expect that everybody
    transltate for themself! as i make the effort of using a second language, so
    could others!!!!  google translate is very helpfull, though, of course, it
    still needs correction.
    
    please hilde and norma, send a mail to the group for the scheduled chat
    meeting, as a reminder ( perhaps not everybody has read the past chat yet),
    it makes it more official!
    I will come back on the 9th and stay around only a couple of days... then
    i'm back by the end of august.
    
    i hope to see more involvement and replies from all of you!
    a solidarity big hug
    ciao
    bettina
    
    
    
    Thread Outline:
  • CHAT 05/08 1900 GMT

    from "Hilde C Stephansen" on Aug 02, 2009 02:59 PM
    Dear all
    
    ENGLISH (portugues abaixo)
    Thank you for your comments Bettina. I also think we need to arrive at a
    clearer understanding, as a group, about our objectives.
    
    So, the suggestion is therefore to have a Memory and Documentation WG chat
    straight after the main ComCom chat on Wednesday 5th August, from 19.00
    GMT. There is a separate chat room already set up. Anyone who is not
    already in it please send me your skype name and I will add you to the
    chat.
    
    Could everyone please respond to the list to say whether you can make this
    time?
    
    So that we can have a constructive discussion, it would be good if people
    could prepare by reading:
    - Norma's document (can you circulate this again Norma?)
    - Bettina's draft budget proposal
    - The various proposals to date, available at
    http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/draft-project-proposal-here
    
    PORTUGUES
    Obrigada pelos seus comentarios Bettina. Concordo que precisamos chegar ao
    entendimento mais claro, como grupo, sobre os nossos objetivos.
    
    Então, a proposta é ter um chat do GT Memoria e Documentação depois do
    chat semanal do ComCom na quarta-feira, dia 5 de augusto, as 1900 GMT.
    Temos já um espaço do chat. Quem não já está dentro, me mande seu nome
    skype e eu vou te adicionar.
    
    Por favor, podem responder á lista para dizer se esta hora está bom?
    
    Para ter uma conversa construtiva, sugero que tentamos ler os seguintes
    documentos:
    - o documento que a Norma mandou (pode mandar de novo, Norma?)
    - a proposta do orçamento da Bettina
    - as propostas que temos até agora:
    http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/draft-project-proposal-here
    
    In solidarity
    hugs,
    Hilde
    
    
    
    On Fri, July 31, 2009 8:42 pm, bettina gozzano wrote:
    > dear all memory wg,
    >
    > since i will not attend the next chat this group have scheduled, il will
    > here write my considerations, (which actually in part i have already wrote
    > to the group) about the projects and the process behind.
    >
    > over all, it seems to me that  in terms of process, we have to be more
    > carefull.
    >
    > i think we all need to understand what do we want to accomplish, and how.
    >  perhaps we must question what we mean when we speak about wsf memory. I
    > have suggested to read the document norma has recently send to us, but
    > have seen no reply  to this suggestion as almost none to other ones.
    > aren't wg also discussion groups or not? also, making a collective project
    > has to go through a collective work, discussing and coming to a common
    > product that is agreeable to all. It seems to me there may be the need to
    > share thoughts and practice before coming out with proposals that seem to
    > me a little "out of target" and perhaps not exctly matching the objectives
    > of a  wsf memory,  a collaborative project should be reviewed and
    > discussed by all who are involved. It should be a work of a group, not in
    > a group!
    >
    > I think it may be a good idea for all of us  discussing norma's document
    > as one point of the agenda, and another might be  the budget form, this
    > way we may come to analize and summarize things and come to a common idea;
    >
    >
    > attached i send a budget draft proposal for memory group discussion... it
    >  can be  a starting point also.
    >
    > another effort we should all do regards lanquage; many write in mother
    > tongue and make no effort to translate for those who don't understand...
    > you know, i also could write only in italian and expect that everybody
    > transltate for themself! as i make the effort of using a second language,
    > so could others!!!!  google translate is very helpfull, though, of course,
    > it still needs correction.
    >
    > please hilde and norma, send a mail to the group for the scheduled chat
    > meeting, as a reminder ( perhaps not everybody has read the past chat
    > yet), it makes it more official! I will come back on the 9th and stay
    > around only a couple of days... then i'm back by the end of august.
    >
    > i hope to see more involvement and replies from all of you! a solidarity
    > big hug ciao bettina
    >
    >
    > --
    > Archive:
    > http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/lists/memory-documen
    > tationwg/archive/2009/07/1249069921927 To unsubscribe send an email with
    > subject "unsubscribe" to memory-documentationWG@....
    > Please contact memory-documentationWG-manager@... for
    > questions.
    >
    
    
    
    
    • Re: CHAT 05/08 1900 GMT

      from pierre on Aug 05, 2009 12:11 PM
      Dear all
      
      I will probably not be able to attend the comcom and memory group chat today
      i am ready to co animate a space called soñthing like [ stimulqting
      memory documentation of 2010 activities[  which has been mentionned in the
      page hilde mentionned
      http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/draft-project-proposal-here
      and in the  comcom summary document sent by jason
      I know this is only a part of memory effort oriented towards the future  ,
      and i guess this group /space will need a minimal budget let us say 10% of
      the budget alloted to memory
      
      have a good chat
      Pierre
      
      
      2009/8/2, Hilde C Stephansen <so703hs@...>:
      >
      > Dear all
      >
      > ENGLISH (portugues abaixo)
      > Thank you for your comments Bettina. I also think we need to arrive at a
      > clearer understanding, as a group, about our objectives.
      >
      > So, the suggestion is therefore to have a Memory and Documentation WG chat
      > straight after the main ComCom chat on Wednesday 5th August, from 19.00
      > GMT. There is a separate chat room already set up. Anyone who is not
      > already in it please send me your skype name and I will add you to the
      > chat.
      >
      > Could everyone please respond to the list to say whether you can make this
      > time?
      >
      > So that we can have a constructive discussion, it would be good if people
      > could prepare by reading:
      > - Norma's document (can you circulate this again Norma?)
      > - Bettina's draft budget proposal
      > - The various proposals to date, available at
      >
      > http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/draft-project-proposal-here
      >
      > PORTUGUES
      > Obrigada pelos seus comentarios Bettina. Concordo que precisamos chegar ao
      > entendimento mais claro, como grupo, sobre os nossos objetivos.
      >
      > Então, a proposta é ter um chat do GT Memoria e Documentação depois do
      > chat semanal do ComCom na quarta-feira, dia 5 de augusto, as 1900 GMT.
      > Temos já um espaço do chat. Quem não já está dentro, me mande seu nome
      > skype e eu vou te adicionar.
      >
      > Por favor, podem responder á lista para dizer se esta hora está bom?
      >
      > Para ter uma conversa construtiva, sugero que tentamos ler os seguintes
      > documentos:
      > - o documento que a Norma mandou (pode mandar de novo, Norma?)
      > - a proposta do orçamento da Bettina
      > - as propostas que temos até agora:
      >
      > http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/draft-project-proposal-here
      >
      > In solidarity
      > hugs,
      > Hilde
      >
      >
      >
      > On Fri, July 31, 2009 8:42 pm, bettina gozzano wrote:
      > > dear all memory wg,
      > >
      > > since i will not attend the next chat this group have scheduled, il will
      > > here write my considerations, (which actually in part i have already
      > wrote
      > > to the group) about the projects and the process behind.
      > >
      > > over all, it seems to me that  in terms of process, we have to be more
      > > carefull.
      > >
      > > i think we all need to understand what do we want to accomplish, and how.
      > >  perhaps we must question what we mean when we speak about wsf memory. I
      > > have suggested to read the document norma has recently send to us, but
      > > have seen no reply  to this suggestion as almost none to other ones.
      > > aren't wg also discussion groups or not? also, making a collective
      > project
      > > has to go through a collective work, discussing and coming to a common
      > > product that is agreeable to all. It seems to me there may be the need to
      > > share thoughts and practice before coming out with proposals that seem to
      > > me a little "out of target" and perhaps not exctly matching the
      > objectives
      > > of a  wsf memory,  a collaborative project should be reviewed and
      > > discussed by all who are involved. It should be a work of a group, not in
      > > a group!
      > >
      > > I think it may be a good idea for all of us  discussing norma's document
      > > as one point of the agenda, and another might be  the budget form, this
      > > way we may come to analize and summarize things and come to a common
      > idea;
      > >
      > >
      > > attached i send a budget draft proposal for memory group discussion... it
      > >  can be  a starting point also.
      > >
      > > another effort we should all do regards lanquage; many write in mother
      > > tongue and make no effort to translate for those who don't understand...
      > > you know, i also could write only in italian and expect that everybody
      > > transltate for themself! as i make the effort of using a second language,
      > > so could others!!!!  google translate is very helpfull, though, of
      > course,
      > > it still needs correction.
      > >
      > > please hilde and norma, send a mail to the group for the scheduled chat
      > > meeting, as a reminder ( perhaps not everybody has read the past chat
      > > yet), it makes it more official! I will come back on the 9th and stay
      > > around only a couple of days... then i'm back by the end of august.
      > >
      > > i hope to see more involvement and replies from all of you! a solidarity
      > > big hug ciao bettina
      > >
      > >
      > > --
      > > Archive:
      > >
      > http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/lists/memory-documen
      > > tationwg/archive/2009/07/1249069921927 To unsubscribe send an email with
      > > subject "unsubscribe" to memory-documentationWG@....
      > > Please contact memory-documentationWG-manager@... for
      > > questions.
      > >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > --
      > Archive:
      > http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/lists/memory-documentationwg/archive/2009/08/1249225175206
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      >
      
      
      
      • Re: CHAT 05/08 1900 GMT

        from SergioMiletto on Aug 05, 2009 02:17 PM
        Caros estarei voando do Rio para Sp e n˜åo sei se conseguirei participar da
        reunião.
        Bjs
        
        sergio
        2009/8/5 Pierre George <pierregrg@...>
        
        > Dear all
        >
        > I will probably not be able to attend the comcom and memory group chat
        > today
        > i am ready to co animate a space called soñthing like [ stimulqting
        > memory documentation of 2010 activities[  which has been mentionned in the
        > page hilde mentionned
        >
        > http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/draft-project-proposal-here
        > and in the  comcom summary document sent by jason
        > I know this is only a part of memory effort oriented towards the future  ,
        > and i guess this group /space will need a minimal budget let us say 10% of
        > the budget alloted to memory
        >
        > have a good chat
        > Pierre
        >
        >
        > 2009/8/2, Hilde C Stephansen <so703hs@...>:
        >
        >> Dear all
        >>
        >> ENGLISH (portugues abaixo)
        >> Thank you for your comments Bettina. I also think we need to arrive at a
        >> clearer understanding, as a group, about our objectives.
        >>
        >> So, the suggestion is therefore to have a Memory and Documentation WG chat
        >> straight after the main ComCom chat on Wednesday 5th August, from 19.00
        >> GMT. There is a separate chat room already set up. Anyone who is not
        >> already in it please send me your skype name and I will add you to the
        >> chat.
        >>
        >> Could everyone please respond to the list to say whether you can make this
        >> time?
        >>
        >> So that we can have a constructive discussion, it would be good if people
        >> could prepare by reading:
        >> - Norma's document (can you circulate this again Norma?)
        >> - Bettina's draft budget proposal
        >> - The various proposals to date, available at
        >>
        >> http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/draft-project-proposal-here
        >>
        >> PORTUGUES
        >> Obrigada pelos seus comentarios Bettina. Concordo que precisamos chegar ao
        >> entendimento mais claro, como grupo, sobre os nossos objetivos.
        >>
        >> Então, a proposta é ter um chat do GT Memoria e Documentação depois do
        >> chat semanal do ComCom na quarta-feira, dia 5 de augusto, as 1900 GMT.
        >> Temos já um espaço do chat. Quem não já está dentro, me mande seu nome
        >> skype e eu vou te adicionar.
        >>
        >> Por favor, podem responder á lista para dizer se esta hora está bom?
        >>
        >> Para ter uma conversa construtiva, sugero que tentamos ler os seguintes
        >> documentos:
        >> - o documento que a Norma mandou (pode mandar de novo, Norma?)
        >> - a proposta do orçamento da Bettina
        >> - as propostas que temos até agora:
        >>
        >> http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/draft-project-proposal-here
        >>
        >> In solidarity
        >> hugs,
        >> Hilde
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >> On Fri, July 31, 2009 8:42 pm, bettina gozzano wrote:
        >> > dear all memory wg,
        >> >
        >> > since i will not attend the next chat this group have scheduled, il will
        >> > here write my considerations, (which actually in part i have already
        >> wrote
        >> > to the group) about the projects and the process behind.
        >> >
        >> > over all, it seems to me that  in terms of process, we have to be more
        >> > carefull.
        >> >
        >> > i think we all need to understand what do we want to accomplish, and
        >> how.
        >> >  perhaps we must question what we mean when we speak about wsf memory. I
        >> > have suggested to read the document norma has recently send to us, but
        >> > have seen no reply  to this suggestion as almost none to other ones.
        >> > aren't wg also discussion groups or not? also, making a collective
        >> project
        >> > has to go through a collective work, discussing and coming to a common
        >> > product that is agreeable to all. It seems to me there may be the need
        >> to
        >> > share thoughts and practice before coming out with proposals that seem
        >> to
        >> > me a little "out of target" and perhaps not exctly matching the
        >> objectives
        >> > of a  wsf memory,  a collaborative project should be reviewed and
        >> > discussed by all who are involved. It should be a work of a group, not
        >> in
        >> > a group!
        >> >
        >> > I think it may be a good idea for all of us  discussing norma's document
        >> > as one point of the agenda, and another might be  the budget form, this
        >> > way we may come to analize and summarize things and come to a common
        >> idea;
        >> >
        >> >
        >> > attached i send a budget draft proposal for memory group discussion...
        >> it
        >> >  can be  a starting point also.
        >> >
        >> > another effort we should all do regards lanquage; many write in mother
        >> > tongue and make no effort to translate for those who don't understand...
        >> > you know, i also could write only in italian and expect that everybody
        >> > transltate for themself! as i make the effort of using a second
        >> language,
        >> > so could others!!!!  google translate is very helpfull, though, of
        >> course,
        >> > it still needs correction.
        >> >
        >> > please hilde and norma, send a mail to the group for the scheduled chat
        >> > meeting, as a reminder ( perhaps not everybody has read the past chat
        >> > yet), it makes it more official! I will come back on the 9th and stay
        >> > around only a couple of days... then i'm back by the end of august.
        >> >
        >> > i hope to see more involvement and replies from all of you! a solidarity
        >> > big hug ciao bettina
        >> >
        >> >
        >> > --
        >> > Archive:
        >> >
        >> http://openfsm.net/projects/communication-commission/lists/memory-documen
        >> > tationwg/archive/2009/07/1249069921927 To unsubscribe send an email with
        >> > subject "unsubscribe" to memory-documentationWG@....
        >> > Please contact memory-documentationWG-manager@... for
        >> > questions.
        >> >
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >>
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